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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 17, 2020 21:09:15 GMT
Another Bianca? Or Bianca the namesake herself? I wonder which picture is the most recent? May be the weapon was something they were originally planning on and then changed their minds. However, it does match up with the figure in the line up who was hooded from view, even if her legs were rather long for a dwarf. May be it is that lady in the voice acting clip whose character could be a dwarf and also a Lord of Fortune. A treasure hunter who has spent much of their time delving in ruins, particularly in the Deep Roads, would probably know the difference between good and bad rumbles.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 17, 2020 21:23:56 GMT
I think the Lord of Fortune bits, alongside their present in Tevinter Nights, hint pretty clear to a role of them or a specific member in the next game. I still hope the PC will be a member, as it seems like a pretty neutral organization, and I think it’d work well as a starting point, if they (clearly) aren’t going back to an Origins system, while also allowing different backgrounds and races for the character.
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Post by rras1994 on Nov 17, 2020 21:42:35 GMT
I think the Lord of Fortune bits, alongside their present in Tevinter Nights, hint pretty clear to a role of them or a specific member in the next game. I still hope the PC will be a member, as it seems like a pretty neutral organization, and I think it’d work well as a starting point, if they (clearly) aren’t going back to an Origins system, while also allowing different backgrounds and races for the character. I suspect that whatever organisation we are part of probably won't be have featured heavily in media yet because it gives them more leeway to make changes if needed as they are making the game but I could defo see a companion from them. For my part, I found it interesting that they just seemed to casually mention the Sicarri in Tevinter Nights, the tevinter spies, who are one of only two organisations that are currently against Solas without Inquisition being aware of what they are doing, and as they are all from slave backgrounds it would allow them to do multiple races and classes, and the only other one that's also working against Solas is the Qun which while could be very interesting I don't really see how they'd do mage classes under the Qun. Could be completely wrong but would certainly fit the powerless, leaders are ignoring the real problem theme very well I;d love a Lord of Fortunes Companion though cus I can see BioWare taking that concept and having a lot of fun with it
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 17, 2020 21:45:54 GMT
I think the Lord of Fortune bits, alongside their present in Tevinter Nights, hint pretty clear to a role of them or a specific member in the next game. I still hope the PC will be a member, as it seems like a pretty neutral organization, and I think it’d work well as a starting point, if they (clearly) aren’t going back to an Origins system, while also allowing different backgrounds and races for the character. I suspect that whatever organisation we are part of probably won't be have featured heavily in media yet because it gives them more leeway to make changes if needed as they are making the game but I could defo see a companion from them. For my part, I found it interesting that they just seemed to casually mention the Sicarri in Tevinter Nights, the tevinter spies, who are one of only two organisations that are currently against Solas without Inquisition being aware of what they are doing, and as they are all from slave backgrounds it would allow them to do multiple races and classes, and the only other one that's also working against Solas is the Qun which while could be very interesting I don't really see how they'd do mage classes under the Qun. Could be completely wrong but would certainly fit the powerless, leaders are ignoring the real problem theme very well I;d love a Lord of Fortunes Companion though cus I can see BioWare taking that concept and having a lot of fun with it I can definitely seem them adding a LoF companion to the mix. I don't think they were over featured that heavily in media, though, as I wouldn't consider their presence in Tevinter Night that big to block the devs in some way from making the PC one of them. But we'll see.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 17, 2020 23:16:16 GMT
I could really get behind the idea of having a Sicari protagonist in the next DA game. One of the things that sort of bothers me about having a LoF as a background for the protagonist is...well it does not seem very mage friendly. Now I know they are based in Rivain and hence they are a bit more....accepting of mages then most of the rest of the Chantry...and I know with the complicated circle situation does not make it impossible...but it seems very unlikely that you would have many mages in the LoFs. However we pretty much know, especially from TVN and Inquisition, that mages are a part of every aspect of Tevinter society. So. 1. That prohibition would not be true for the Sicari, you'd likely having mages in that order. 2. It scratches the itch I have had ever since certain leaks came out of playing some sort of behind the scenes Shadow Agent (granted LoF could fullfill this role in a lesser sense.) 3. It scratches the itch of being someone from Tevinter. I know this would be against established trends but I have always wanted to play a native for the next game. 4. It does provide a good reason about how they would know about Solas and their plot, even from a high level perspective or could be informed about it early in the game. 5. I have seen some people comment that a LoF background would not provide the neccessary oomph for companions to join them, a Sicari could provide that level of gravitas and experience/ or fear. 6. It would provide a great GP loop, again granted this could work for LoF too but the Sicari's could take part in 'heists' or other clandestine intelligence operations, set up safe houses/ outposts which could be used as FT points for all our various maps, set up a network of allies and agents similar to the war table mechanic so we can conduct operations even beyond what we can do...or simply things like hunt for clues. Pls BioWare. Only concern I now have is from a racial perspective. I mean it would be an amazing double agent to have a Tal-vashoth or an Elven Sicari protagonist but the question is would any be in their ranks?
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 17, 2020 23:24:15 GMT
I think both Sicari and LoF are fine job-related backgrounds for the PC, although I slightly prefer the latter. The point on mage-friendliness is sound, but it's not like they can't find a way to make it work, expecially post-Inquisition and in a Rivaini-based group.
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Post by necrowaif on Nov 17, 2020 23:24:34 GMT
Another Bianca? Or Bianca the namesake herself? This is just a semi-educated guess, but my coppers are on that being Charade Amell, who will return as a companion in DA4.
My theory is based on three things:
1) There's a tile in the DA Keep that asks whether or not you reached out to Charade or some asshole named Johi as part of the war table operation "A Trouble of Red Jennies." I always thought that was odd, considering the operation is not all that important.
2) There's a lady archer on the front of Tevinter Nights that doesn't line up with any of the characters in the book, while Charade is herself an archer.
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Post by Solas on Nov 17, 2020 23:28:56 GMT
Colfoley the Siccari ranks are majority made up of people from slave families. Slaves in Tevinter are not exclusively elves but many of them are elves. There's also been artwork of enslaved Qunari in one of the WoTs. Especially given that they're made to comply, with their families being kept safe ('safe') as both a promise and a threat, I could see them being a mix of races.
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Post by rras1994 on Nov 17, 2020 23:29:09 GMT
I could really get behind the idea of having a Sicari protagonist in the next DA game. One of the things that sort of bothers me about having a LoF as a background for the protagonist is...well it does not seem very mage friendly. Now I know they are based in Rivain and hence they are a bit more....accepting of mages then most of the rest of the Chantry...and I know with the complicated circle situation does not make it impossible...but it seems very unlikely that you would have many mages in the LoFs. However we pretty much know, especially from TVN and Inquisition, that mages are a part of every aspect of Tevinter society. So. 1. That prohibition would not be true for the Sicari, you'd likely having mages in that order. 2. It scratches the itch I have had ever since certain leaks came out of playing some sort of behind the scenes Shadow Agent (granted LoF could fullfill this role in a lesser sense.) 3. It scratches the itch of being someone from Tevinter. I know this would be against established trends but I have always wanted to play a native for the next game. 4. It does provide a good reason about how they would know about Solas and their plot, even from a high level perspective or could be informed about it early in the game. 5. I have seen some people comment that a LoF background would not provide the neccessary oomph for companions to join them, a Sicari could provide that level of gravitas and experience/ or fear. 6. It would provide a great GP loop, again granted this could work for LoF too but the Sicari's could take part in 'heists' or other clandestine intelligence operations, set up safe houses/ outposts which could be used as FT points for all our various maps, set up a network of allies and agents similar to the war table mechanic so we can conduct operations even beyond what we can do...or simply things like hunt for clues. Pls BioWare. Only concern I now have is from a racial perspective. I mean it would be an amazing double agent to have a Tal-vashoth or an Elven Sicari protagonist but the question is would any be in their ranks? It's mentioned in Tevinter Nights that Sicarri come from slave families so they absolutely would have Elves in their ranks and given the amount of times Tevinter has been at war withe Qun they likely have a number of Qunari/kossith slaves. In fact it feeds into the powerless aspect as I think it mentioned that Tevinter often use the slave families as a way of keeping Sicarri inline and ensuring loyalty.
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Post by rras1994 on Nov 17, 2020 23:29:57 GMT
Colfoley the Siccari ranks are majority made up of people from slave families. Slaves in Tevinter are not exclusively elves but many of them are elves. There's also been artwork of enslaved Qunari in one of the WoTs. Especially given that they're made to comply, with their families being kept safe ('safe') as both a promise and a threat, I could see them being a mix of races. jinx lol
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Nov 18, 2020 0:14:50 GMT
Siccari are also only mostly made up of ex slaves rather than entirely made up of them (per TN). So even if the theory of there being no or few dwarf slaves is true then that still wouldn't prevent them from being siccari along with the rest of the pc races.
This works better then being a regular slave since it still allows for multiple races/backgrounds but you are also an elite covert operative. And since Tevinter controls the siccari by maintaining leverage over them, you still fall into the theme of having to act when you have no power.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 18, 2020 1:20:23 GMT
Yeah I understand the slave angle and don't get me wrong this is a fairly minor 'concern' of mine, IE me just looking for reasons to be concerned rather then actually something I'm all that worked up over. And I suppose my issue isn't from the perspective of the individual agent but, given how bigoted the Imperium tends to be on such subjects, that from the organizational top down perspective that they would allow such people in Tevinter Special Ops/ Intelligence in the first place. Though I suppose that could leave interesting wiggle room and would be an interesting perspective to have a TEVINTER organization that does not care about such things, it could even go as far as elements within the Sicari might have a vested interest...and the power to do something...to actually be part of the reform movement.
Which does provide a nice segue to the much bigger storm cloud I could see on it. I can just imagine how many people in these parts would flip about having a character whose basically being held hostage by the Imperium, that could limit the available RP options. Now for me this is not that huge of an issue, in theory, since I sometimes think limiting RP could actually make it more fun and interesting...one of the most powerful examples of this is the Imperial Agent Mind Control storyline in TOR where the game would give you the option to try and go against your programming, but it wouldn't actually work...however I think this is something they'd have to be careful with.
Edit: And I agree with the elder king. Either background would be perfectly fine for a protag background and they scratch different itches but right now I have to give my preference to the Sicari.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Nov 18, 2020 2:42:32 GMT
Yeah I understand the slave angle and don't get me wrong this is a fairly minor 'concern' of mine, IE me just looking for reasons to be concerned rather then actually something I'm all that worked up over. And I suppose my issue isn't from the perspective of the individual agent but, given how bigoted the Imperium tends to be on such subjects, that from the organizational top down perspective that they would allow such people in Tevinter Special Ops/ Intelligence in the first place. Though I suppose that could leave interesting wiggle room and would be an interesting perspective to have a TEVINTER organization that does not care about such things, it could even go as far as elements within the Sicari might have a vested interest...and the power to do something...to actually be part of the reform movement. Which does provide a nice segue to the much bigger storm cloud I could see on it. I can just imagine how many people in these parts would flip about having a character whose basically being held hostage by the Imperium, that could limit the available RP options. Now for me this is not that huge of an issue, in theory, since I sometimes think limiting RP could actually make it more fun and interesting...one of the most powerful examples of this is the Imperial Agent Mind Control storyline in TOR where the game would give you the option to try and go against your programming, but it wouldn't actually work...however I think this is something they'd have to be careful with. Edit: And I agree with the elder king. Either background would be perfectly fine for a protag background and they scratch different itches but right now I have to give my preference to the Sicari. I suspect with a siccari character, whether they're a companion or a pc, you may eventually have an opportunity to remove their guestages so they can't be "kept safe as both promise and threat" anymore, or perhaps get blackmail material/your own leverage over whomever has access to them instead. Maybe like a third or halfway through the game? Depending on the plot.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Nov 18, 2020 2:43:14 GMT
Well at least I now have some hope that the Evanuris will be unleashed and the protag will be facing them directly.
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Post by dawnold on Nov 18, 2020 2:47:42 GMT
That sea monster is like a kaiju. Now all we need is for a Titan to show up and then we control it like a jaeger bot from the inside. Go go dragon rangers! Mighty fadin dragon rangers go! I call dibs on the pink ranger.
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Post by apollexander on Nov 18, 2020 13:15:14 GMT
The first graph reminds me of the Snake King mentioned in a codex in JoH.
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Things we are going to need to take down the Evil gods:
1. Friends. 2. Flying mounts. 3. Tameable dragons. 4. Knowledge of potential weaknesses. 5. Another Titan (or two?) that is either friendly or willing to live and let live after the evil gods are dead meat. 6. Thedas is so screwed! 😱
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Post by theascendent on Nov 18, 2020 18:26:55 GMT
Wonder if we can help the Evanuris or the Old Gods as a choice. Considering the abysmal personalities of Mythal and Fen'Harel, any morally ambiguous god would be a welcome relief.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 18, 2020 18:37:23 GMT
Wonder if we can help the Evanuris or the Old Gods as a choice. Considering the abysmal personalities of Mythal and Fen'Harel, any morally ambiguous god would be a welcome relief. Im hoping we at least get their side of the story, since so far everything has just been from very biased sources on the same side.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 18, 2020 18:49:44 GMT
I could really get behind the idea of having a Siccari protagonist in the next DA game. So could I. A Siccari protagonist would work in with my idea that we would start off as a slave because we are told in Tevinter Nights they mostly come from slave families that are then held hostage to ensure their loyalty. That would be a really interesting back story and could provide your personal quest which is to try and rescue your family so you are free to act as you wish, which would be why you haven't simply run away as a slave. Because of the way they are recruited it could fit any race or class, even Vashoth. The Siccari party in TN had two mages, an archer with an enchanted bow and a golem. As they are essentially a spy working for Tevinter, they could be located anywhere initially doing undercover work. Also there is this picture: There has been speculation as to who these people are but I notice that in TN they are said to remove their masks as they enter the room, so may be these people are Siccari. If our PC can't be a Siccari then I hope one of our followers is.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 18, 2020 19:05:37 GMT
Im hoping we at least get their side of the story, since so far everything has just been from very biased sources on the same side. I hope for this too. Solas led our entire conversation with him so I was never able to ask him the things I would have liked to have done. I'm still suspicious of the idea that all the other Creators were responsible for Mythal's death, or that she didn't have some sort of scheme going involving Fen'Harel that was undermining their rule for her own ends. The codex for June in the Temple of Mythal suggested that the Dalish did not know the whole story where he was concerned, which suggests he was more than just a god of crafting, although in Trespasser giving him a beautifully crafted gift seemed to be thought an appropriate way to thank him for his help. The codex in Trespasser also describes him as "Clever" and yet another legend of the Dalish says that he created himself, so I'm hopeful we might actually get to meet this enigmatic god and that if he is truly clever he can devise a way of outwitting Solas. Also, whilst I know the Dalish have always put a benign face to their gods that may not always be warranted but they also got quite a lot right about them as well. So Sylaise who seems associated with flame in the ToM became the goddess of the hearth. Nevertheless, it is also said that the Dalish got the Vir Atishan, the Way of Peace, from her, which is considered an alternative to the Way of Three Trees. So could she be someone who might be worth getting to know?
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Post by colfoley on Nov 18, 2020 19:36:19 GMT
Wonder if we can help the Evanuris or the Old Gods as a choice. Considering the abysmal personalities of Mythal and Fen'Harel, any morally ambiguous god would be a welcome relief. Im hoping we at least get their side of the story, since so far everything has just been from very biased sources on the same side. not really. We also have the Vir'Dithara giving plenty of stories on the Evanuris which would confirm the basic thesis and the fact that Mythal and Solas's stories basically independently confirm each others speaks volumes. Both of which puts certain Dalish ledgends in a new light. Now this is not to say that all the Evanuris were completly irredemiably evil for all time, as i mentioned in Scmooples their were legitimate threats. And who knows maybe they felt they had to murder Mythal for some reason. But the fact seems to remain that at least some of them did go darkside.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 18, 2020 21:22:12 GMT
not really. We also have the Vir'Dithara giving plenty of stories on the Evanuris which would confirm the basic thesis and the fact that Mythal and Solas's stories basically independently confirm each others speaks volumes. Both of which puts certain Dalish ledgends in a new light. Of course Mythal and Solas would confirm one another. They were a team but that doesn't mean every single one of the Evanuris was as bad as Solas implies they were. Mythal wants revenge but she never says on whom. Solas just lumps everyone under the title Evanuris and makes them collectively responsible when we know from the Dalish that there were two factions, so were the Evanuris just the Creators? The Dalish also say he betrayed both sides, so what of the Forgotten Ones? If the Dalish got it wrong about the Creators, may be the Forgotten Ones weren't as bad as they made out. Also, from what I recall the information specifically from the Vir'Dirthara doesn't actually confirm Solas' story; all that information came from his supporters in his sanctuary. At least some of the memories in Vir'Dirthara seemed genuinely distressed asking what had happened to the gods and furious with Fen'Harel for what had occurred (how did they know he was responsible for their world literally falling apart under them?). Most of the negative references referred to Elgar'nan and even the Dalish remember him as a god of vengeance with a very short temper but he was seen as the ultimate judge of their affairs even by Mythal. There was also that warning from the Evanuris: " Beware the forms of Fen'Harel! The Dread Wolf comes in humble guises, a wanderer who knows much of the People and their spirits. He will offer advice that seems fair, but turns slowly to poison. Remember the price of treason, and keep in your heart the mercy of your gods." Actually the first part of that warning rings entirely true with our experience of the Dread Wolf, so I'd rather hear from the other gods before condemning them solely on his word.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 18, 2020 23:15:12 GMT
not really. We also have the Vir'Dithara giving plenty of stories on the Evanuris which would confirm the basic thesis and the fact that Mythal and Solas's stories basically independently confirm each others speaks volumes. Both of which puts certain Dalish ledgends in a new light. Of course Mythal and Solas would confirm one another. They were a team but that doesn't mean every single one of the Evanuris was as bad as Solas implies they were. Mythal wants revenge but she never says on whom. Solas just lumps everyone under the title Evanuris and makes them collectively responsible when we know from the Dalish that there were two factions, so were the Evanuris just the Creators? The Dalish also say he betrayed both sides, so what of the Forgotten Ones? If the Dalish got it wrong about the Creators, may be the Forgotten Ones weren't as bad as they made out. Also, from what I recall the information specifically from the Vir'Dirthara doesn't actually confirm Solas' story; all that information came from his supporters in his sanctuary. At least some of the memories in Vir'Dirthara seemed genuinely distressed asking what had happened to the gods and furious with Fen'Harel for what had occurred (how did they know he was responsible for their world literally falling apart under them?). Most of the negative references referred to Elgar'nan and even the Dalish remember him as a god of vengeance with a very short temper but he was seen as the ultimate judge of their affairs even by Mythal. There was also that warning from the Evanuris: " Beware the forms of Fen'Harel! The Dread Wolf comes in humble guises, a wanderer who knows much of the People and their spirits. He will offer advice that seems fair, but turns slowly to poison. Remember the price of treason, and keep in your heart the mercy of your gods." Actually the first part of that warning rings entirely true with our experience of the Dread Wolf, so I'd rather hear from the other gods before condemning them solely on his word. Well as I did mention I don't think we have gotten the entire truth about the Evanuris yet. And it would be deliciously in character if he basically did condemn everyone else self righteously without any regard to any innocents. But on the other hand we do pretty much have stories of... Elgar'nan: Doing some pretty suspicious things with Elven workers building monuments and stuff. Andruil: Going mad from her usage of the Void and crafting weapons/ armor made from the stuff. Ghil'inain: Apparently running experiments which resulted in the creationo f eldritch horrors that even Solas himself had to take action with. Dirthamen: Whatever the heck he was up to. And they did all conspire to murder Mythal. Now this does leave a couple of them which could tend towards being more benign then others, like June, but these others and the stories we do have suggest they weren't exactly nice people. And of course you'd have people crying out for the return of their gods/ slavers. How many people in real life go full tilt for one political cause or another that just represents even tighter chains of control? This is doubly true given what creating the Veil did to Elvenhen. You do make me consider though the Dalish ledgend of him banishing the Forgotten ones too, both sets of gods. I mean there was a war, there was a lot of corrutpion, the people were suffering, and Fen'harel was in open rebellion against the Evanuris...even before they conspired to kill Mythal. Who knows, maybe she was advocating an end to the war and her death convinced him there was no redemption for them?
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Post by Sharable Horizon on Nov 19, 2020 3:37:16 GMT
Going back to the giant snake monster/goddess/thing, her speartip is very crimson - refined and weaponised red lyrium perhaps?
I also have a gut feeling that she’s one of the forgotten ones, though I can’t explain why!
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