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Post by ahglock on Dec 23, 2020 22:32:24 GMT
Not close to my top pick, but its hard not to see the initial reactions to the trailer. There's been good reactions, yes. It's doubtful whether a lot of these people realize the practicalities of bringing back their Shepard though. I'm sure the reaction will be less positive once this is inevitably realised. I agree, I think people would be amendable to a new protagonist once they are made aware of that. I don't think they would give a protagonist who they already decided they did not like another shot.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Dec 23, 2020 23:02:07 GMT
I...no, I'd rather not have Shep return there's a 50/50 chance they are dead regardless...and as much as Andromeda had their flaws I'd rather they continued that unpopular opinion I'm sure Seeing as we know so little of it yet, I'm voting for indifferent, and leave my judgment for when we have proper information as to what the game will be about.
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Post by Sondergaard on Dec 23, 2020 23:27:57 GMT
Because Luke's arc was seen as badly handled in the sequels. If he'd had a fitting send off I'm sure the reaction would be different. Much the same could be said of Shepard.
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Post by KaiserShep on Dec 24, 2020 1:44:10 GMT
Maybe Disney. Most Star Wars fans I know are more into KotoR, Kyle, and some of the older EU that Disney wiped out. While more EU related stuff is good, Star Wars is broken, without Luke. And I do believe that Bioware did the same with how they treated Shepard in ME3. Thing is, problems were already there before the character had time to be ruined. Luke isn’t a necessity, so much as it is that the writers do the character justice if they want to reprise his role, which they utterly failed at. Had the sequel trilogy taken place during a period in which all of the old [human] characters were long dead, it would still be trash, it would be no more broken than it was already, though at the very least, it would have left the classic characters intact and unscathed.
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Post by cptdata on Dec 24, 2020 1:50:08 GMT
I...no, I'd rather not have Shep return there's a 50/50 chance they are dead regardless...and as much as Andromeda had their flaws I'd rather they continued that unpopular opinion I'm sure Seeing as we know so little of it yet, I'm voting for indifferent, and leave my judgment for when we have proper information as to what the game will be about. I guess ME5 will be set several centuries in the future, so there's quite a chance none of the old crew are still alive with exception of Liara, Grunt and maybe EDI. Wrex might be too old by that time and same may apply to Samara. Obviously, Shepard won't be around anymore too. However, I wonder if we can import a ME!Remaster savegame to ME5 and get entries to the Codex about the whereabouts of Shepards old crew before they all died due ol' age.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 24, 2020 2:29:11 GMT
Thing is, problems were already there before the character had time to be ruined. Luke isn’t a necessity, so much as it is that the writers do the character justice if they want to reprise his role, which they utterly failed at. Had the sequel trilogy taken place during a period in which all of the old [human] characters were long dead, it would still be trash, it would be no more broken than it was already, though at the very least, it would have left the classic characters intact and unscathed. The thing is that Rian Johnson, basically, rewrote Luke entirely, for his movie and did a really bad job at it. Like, the dissonance between RotJ Luke and TLJ Luke (btw, did anyone else notice how we went from "The Return of the Jedi" to "The Last Jedi" is just two movies?) is so obvious, it can't be justified with just some off-screen exposition. Bioware would have to make Shepard into a grumpy old man, that retired to ... I don't know, Eden Prime and when some other faction is about to destroy the Systems Alliance, he refuses to return, because the Systems Alliance wasn't strong enough to take on the Reapers and a lot of people died, so the Reapers should have won. I don't think anyone in Bioware can do that bad. At worst, we'd get the Citadel equivalent quipfest. Which, at least, Shepard and co. have sort of earned. It wouldn't be good, but I'd laugh a few more times, by comparison.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Dec 24, 2020 12:27:44 GMT
I...no, I'd rather not have Shep return there's a 50/50 chance they are dead regardless...and as much as Andromeda had their flaws I'd rather they continued that unpopular opinion I'm sure Seeing as we know so little of it yet, I'm voting for indifferent, and leave my judgment for when we have proper information as to what the game will be about. I guess ME5 will be set several centuries in the future, so there's quite a chance none of the old crew are still alive with exception of Liara, Grunt and maybe EDI. Wrex might be too old by that time and same may apply to Samara. Obviously, Shepard won't be around anymore too. However, I wonder if we can import a ME!Remaster savegame to ME5 and get entries to the Codex about the whereabouts of Shepards old crew before they all died due ol' age. now that I wouldn't mind
I'm not overly fond of Liara though, so unless they changed part of her personality (again) I hope she just fulfills an advisor role with maybe some throwbacks to the trilogy. wouldn't mind seeing our tank baby all grown up though, his laugh is funny
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Post by cptdata on Dec 24, 2020 12:38:28 GMT
I guess ME5 will be set several centuries in the future, so there's quite a chance none of the old crew are still alive with exception of Liara, Grunt and maybe EDI. Wrex might be too old by that time and same may apply to Samara. Obviously, Shepard won't be around anymore too. However, I wonder if we can import a ME!Remaster savegame to ME5 and get entries to the Codex about the whereabouts of Shepards old crew before they all died due ol' age. now that I wouldn't mind
I'm not overly fond of Liara though, so unless they changed part of her personality (again) I hope she just fulfills an advisor role with maybe some throwbacks to the trilogy. wouldn't mind seeing our tank baby all grown up though, his laugh is funny
Urdnot Grunt, High Warrior-King of the Krogan Race. ...
Seriously? I'd love to see that and learn what the others did after the war. In fact, I do have a very clear image of post-war Mass Effect, down to details like political state of the Council, Garrus place in the Hierarchy, Tali's fate, how EDI got rescued from inert status, how the Geth got brought back bei den Quarians etc ... and, obviously, Shepard survived the whole thing with his/her LI. They'll help the galaxy to get back up and become whole again, but after a time span of maybe 5 years or so, Shepard will retire for good. S/he's a valid candidate for President of the Alliance but politely declines. Hackett is going to be President after his military career. That's it in a nutshell.
I wonder if I ever find time to type down how I would have changed stuff in the trilogy and post-trilogy to make it fit to me. Still have scripts for a massive fanfiction from ME1 to Post-ME3, but lack the time writing down the actual story.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Dec 24, 2020 12:54:57 GMT
now that I wouldn't mind
I'm not overly fond of Liara though, so unless they changed part of her personality (again) I hope she just fulfills an advisor role with maybe some throwbacks to the trilogy. wouldn't mind seeing our tank baby all grown up though, his laugh is funny
Urdnot Grunt, High Warrior-King of the Krogan Race. ...
Seriously? I'd love to see that and learn what the others did after the war. In fact, I do have a very clear image of post-war Mass Effect, down to details like political state of the Council, Garrus place in the Hierarchy, Tali's fate, how EDI got rescued from inert status, how the Geth got brought back bei den Quarians etc ... and, obviously, Shepard survived the whole thing with his/her LI. They'll help the galaxy to get back up and become whole again, but after a time span of maybe 5 years or so, Shepard will retire for good. S/he's a valid candidate for President of the Alliance but politely declines. Hackett is going to be President after his military career. That's it in a nutshell.
I wonder if I ever find time to type down how I would have changed stuff in the trilogy and post-trilogy to make it fit to me. Still have scripts for a massive fanfiction from ME1 to Post-ME3, but lack the time writing down the actual story.
Heh, your ideas are pretty much the same as mine. At one point I had this idea where a tech-oriented Shepard (or with help of a tech-class squad member) would've build in a safe-fail in the Crucible to make sure it'd only attack Reaper code but leave other tech intact.
Though the only thing I would've changed would be the Virmire mission, in a certain point in development it would've been possible to save both Kaidan and Ashley. I tend to save the former because...I play FemShep and he's my canon romance, but it would've been nice to have Ash around as well.
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Post by cptdata on Dec 24, 2020 13:03:47 GMT
Urdnot Grunt, High Warrior-King of the Krogan Race. ...
Seriously? I'd love to see that and learn what the others did after the war. In fact, I do have a very clear image of post-war Mass Effect, down to details like political state of the Council, Garrus place in the Hierarchy, Tali's fate, how EDI got rescued from inert status, how the Geth got brought back bei den Quarians etc ... and, obviously, Shepard survived the whole thing with his/her LI. They'll help the galaxy to get back up and become whole again, but after a time span of maybe 5 years or so, Shepard will retire for good. S/he's a valid candidate for President of the Alliance but politely declines. Hackett is going to be President after his military career. That's it in a nutshell.
I wonder if I ever find time to type down how I would have changed stuff in the trilogy and post-trilogy to make it fit to me. Still have scripts for a massive fanfiction from ME1 to Post-ME3, but lack the time writing down the actual story.
Heh, your ideas are pretty much the same as mine. At one point I had this idea where a tech-oriented Shepard (or with help of a tech-class squad member) would've build in a safe-fail in the Crucible to make sure it'd only attack Reaper code but leave other tech intact.
Though the only thing I would've changed would be the Virmire mission, in a certain point in development it would've been possible to save both Kaidan and Ashley. I tend to save the former because...I play FemShep and he's my canon romance, but it would've been nice to have Ash around as well. Feathers of the same bird maybe? My Shep's male and Ashley's his LI - and in my mind, he never accepted the fact he had to leave Kaidan behind. While Shepard can accept ppl die under his command, Kaidan was a good friend, which makes things much more difficult for him. Part of the PTSD he suffers in ME3 is still dealing with Kaidan's fate.
In the scripts I wrote down a way how to save both. In short words? Shep goes after Ashley but sends another squad to help Kaidan. And while he manages to get to Ashley just in time, Kaidan is badly wounded because the other squad can't break through the Geth units fast enough. Kaidan is saved but in a bad shape, so he won't be available for the remainder of ME1!story. I never got over the fact Shepard had enough squadmates to send a unit after Ash/Kaidan (whomever he decided to sacrifice for the other one).
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 24, 2020 14:03:08 GMT
However, I wonder if we can import a ME!Remaster savegame to ME5 and get entries to the Codex about the whereabouts of Shepards old crew before they all died due ol' age. Not to keen to read about that.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 24, 2020 16:25:46 GMT
Though the only thing I would've changed would be the Virmire mission, in a certain point in development it would've been possible to save both Kaidan and Ashley. It wouldn't have been hard to save both survive. If all squadmates are recruited, send two of them to rescue A/K. If all have not been recruited, have the two guards standing by the stairs go rescue A/K. At the beginning of ME2, Shepard can choose A/K remained while the other was transferred to another unit. In ME3, the one who was assigned to another unit, is the one on security detail for the council while the other remains on the SR2 for the entire game. After the events of the coup, the one who was assigned to the council, has the opportunity to join Shepard, if Shepard wants them on the ship.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Dec 24, 2020 18:07:23 GMT
Though the only thing I would've changed would be the Virmire mission, in a certain point in development it would've been possible to save both Kaidan and Ashley. It wouldn't have been hard to save both survive. If all squadmates are recruited, send two of them to rescue A/K. If all have not been recruited, have the two guards standing by the stairs go rescue A/K. At the beginning of ME2, Shepard can choose A/K remained while the other was transferred to another unit. In ME3, the one who was assigned to another unit, is the one on security detail for the council while the other remains on the SR2 for the entire game. After the events of the coup, the one who was assigned to the council, has the opportunity to join Shepard, if Shepard wants them on the ship. Yes, this!
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Post by Vox on Dec 24, 2020 18:33:25 GMT
Shepard and few companions (if at all)
To me ME4 (or five?) is the way for Bioware to undo the damage of ME3's silly way to end Shep's story. I want the Shepard back that kicked ass and got things done, not got lectured by a deus ex machina creature from left field.
Give as the Shepard from ME1 back. The sprectre that travelled the galaxy as elite soldier to stop horrible things from happening. The Shepard that crashed with the Mako into the Citadel, suited up and went to take on Saren heads on, and came out with a triumphant smile on her face (and broken arm...)
If that is in the cards ... I would even replay the entire trilogy again (and buy the legendary edition).
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Post by explorerclass on Dec 25, 2020 10:11:19 GMT
Not at all. He is dead
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Post by cptdata on Dec 27, 2020 0:15:43 GMT
Though the only thing I would've changed would be the Virmire mission, in a certain point in development it would've been possible to save both Kaidan and Ashley. It wouldn't have been hard to save both survive. If all squadmates are recruited, send two of them to rescue A/K. If all have not been recruited, have the two guards standing by the stairs go rescue A/K. At the beginning of ME2, Shepard can choose A/K remained while the other was transferred to another unit. In ME3, the one who was assigned to another unit, is the one on security detail for the council while the other remains on the SR2 for the entire game. After the events of the coup, the one who was assigned to the council, has the opportunity to join Shepard, if Shepard wants them on the ship.
I think that's what I said earlier
Send a squad to save Kaidan, go after Ashley or vice versa. Yeah, that takes out a lot of drama, but there's always a chance it'll fail. Now that I think about it, I would have loved to see a solution similar like how Bioware did the Suicide Mission: you need to pick the right squad, otherwise they won't succeed. Since Ashley/Kaidan are occupied already, your remaining squadmates consist of Tali, Garrus, Wrex and Liara. Each of 'em has a combat value and if you don't hit the minimum requirement, they get bogged down by the Geth and simply can't reach A/K in time. You also can decide to send either a squad of three while keeping only one for your own mission, or send two and go in with three.
And now the math does the rest. Since you can do the Virmire mission without a full squad (missed to recruit Garrus, Wrex and Liara) or lose Wrex by failing talking him down, you can't save both. Only a full squad is capable of doing this. And since you have to decide which squad gots 2 and which one gots 3 members, you're ALWAYS save by sending Wrex and two other members to save the other one while Shepard goes in with only one squadmate. You're still fighting against the clock and will cripple yourself with only one squadmate, but if you can pull the stunt, you've saved both, Kaidan and Ashley.
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Dec 28, 2020 22:10:30 GMT
I never got over the fact Shepard had enough squadmates to send a unit after Ash/Kaidan (whomever he decided to sacrifice for the other one). I thought the implication was more that the Normandy didn't have time to do more than one pickup before the bomb went off.
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Dec 28, 2020 22:14:17 GMT
Anyway. My canon Shepard is a reluctant Synthesizer, so I'm not going to be happy with being told that I have to play a post-Destroy Shepard in the new game if that's what we're meant to glean from this trailer. OTOH, I could live with a canonized Destroy ending in which several centuries have passed and Shepard is dead or an NPC. Then I can just imagine it taking place in a separate iteration where Shepard chose Destroy and focus on the new PC and other characters.
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Post by cptdata on Dec 28, 2020 22:29:34 GMT
I never got over the fact Shepard had enough squadmates to send a unit after Ash/Kaidan (whomever he decided to sacrifice for the other one). I thought the implication was more that the Normandy didn't have time to do more than one pickup before the bomb went off.
Technically - yes. But why did Shep leave ONE (!) squadmate left to protect the bomb / go after the Kirahe's team instead of a more reasonably sized unit? Both sites get overrun if Shepard doesn't make it in time. I wonder what would have happened if they had a full unit acting together at either side.
Afaik Bioware had the idea to save both if you got all the flags required for doing so. They scraped that idea later for drama reasons: you HAVE to leave one behind.
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Post by ahglock on Dec 28, 2020 22:49:28 GMT
I thought the implication was more that the Normandy didn't have time to do more than one pickup before the bomb went off.
Technically - yes. But why did Shep leave ONE (!) squadmate left to protect the bomb / go after the Kirahe's team instead of a more reasonably sized unit? Both sites get overrun if Shepard doesn't make it in time. I wonder what would have happened if they had a full unit acting together at either side.
Afaik Bioware had the idea to save both if you got all the flags required for doing so. They scraped that idea later for drama reasons: you HAVE to leave one behind.
I prefer it that way, tough I guess it could have been established better in the story. Though I did not think A/K was alone with the bomb a team came to drop it off. I always thought that A/K was all that was left when you get back to them. Though I guess they could have all been non combatants and got back on the normady after the drop off. Which would imply there really isn;t much in the way of squads for Shepard to deploy. I think it is important for Shepard to have some degree of failure with setbacks and losses so I am glad they did not make it possible to rescue both.
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Post by cptdata on Dec 28, 2020 23:22:21 GMT
Technically - yes. But why did Shep leave ONE (!) squadmate left to protect the bomb / go after the Kirahe's team instead of a more reasonably sized unit? Both sites get overrun if Shepard doesn't make it in time. I wonder what would have happened if they had a full unit acting together at either side.
Afaik Bioware had the idea to save both if you got all the flags required for doing so. They scraped that idea later for drama reasons: you HAVE to leave one behind.
I prefer it that way, tough I guess it could have been established better in the story. Though I did not think A/K was alone with the bomb a team came to drop it off. I always thought that A/K was all that was left when you get back to them. Though I guess they could have all been non combatants and got back on the normady after the drop off. Which would imply there really isn;t much in the way of squads for Shepard to deploy. I think it is important for Shepard to have some degree of failure with setbacks and losses so I am glad they did not make it possible to rescue both. Well, I can't concur. I don't think we need to sacrifice Ash/Kaidan on Virmire to show Shepard can fail. In fact the entire trilogy can be named "Shepard's failure" in a way. Sure, Shepard helped to take down Souvereign, but right after s/he died, the Council denied the existence of Reapers. The Alliance had to follow that political statement. If you picked Anderson as member of the Council, he slowly turned towards alcoholism since he couldn't take the political bull anymore. Hackett even was actively protecting Shepard while s/he was working for / with Cerberus since no one else was willing to deal with the vanished human colonies. No one. And since most colonies happened to be in the Terminus systems, the Alliance wasn't allowed to send their fleets there. Even after the end of ME2, neither the Council nor most of the Alliance brass believed Shepard.
Failing to convince those with the power to prepare the galaxy for a defensive war against the Reapers is the biggest failure of Shepard. ME2 and ME3 are games dealing with Shepard trying to fix his/her failure to convince the galaxy of the Reaper threat.
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Post by dirtrider00 on Dec 29, 2020 0:53:57 GMT
I honestly wanted more Andromeda but it will depend on gameplay for me in the end. If its openworld like Andromeda I'll scarf it up but if the gameplay is more linear like ME2 and 3 I'll pass.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 29, 2020 2:14:17 GMT
Anyway. My canon Shepard is a reluctant Synthesizer, so I'm not going to be happy with being told that I have to play a post-Destroy Shepard in the new game if that's what we're meant to glean from this trailer. OTOH, I could live with a canonized Destroy ending in which several centuries have passed and Shepard is dead or an NPC. Then I can just imagine it taking place in a separate iteration where Shepard chose Destroy and focus on the new PC and other characters. Well, hopefully you won't have to play Shepard at all.
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 29, 2020 10:22:31 GMT
Anyway. My canon Shepard is a reluctant Synthesizer, so I'm not going to be happy with being told that I have to play a post-Destroy Shepard in the new game if that's what we're meant to glean from this trailer. OTOH, I could live with a canonized Destroy ending in which several centuries have passed and Shepard is dead or an NPC. Then I can just imagine it taking place in a separate iteration where Shepard chose Destroy and focus on the new PC and other characters. Synthesis is like getting the biochip slotted into your neural port and a personality rewrite. Shepard's gone. Gone with blue, gone with red, gone with green and gone with refuse.
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Post by RedCaesar97 on Dec 29, 2020 13:35:31 GMT
Technically - yes. But why did Shep leave ONE (!) squadmate left to protect the bomb / go after the Kirahe's team instead of a more reasonably sized unit? Both sites get overrun if Shepard doesn't make it in time. I wonder what would have happened if they had a full unit acting together at either side.
Afaik Bioware had the idea to save both if you got all the flags required for doing so. They scraped that idea later for drama reasons: you HAVE to leave one behind.
I prefer it that way, tough I guess it could have been established better in the story. Though I did not think A/K was alone with the bomb a team came to drop it off. I always thought that A/K was all that was left when you get back to them. Though I guess they could have all been non combatants and got back on the normady after the drop off. Which would imply there really isn;t much in the way of squads for Shepard to deploy. I think it is important for Shepard to have some degree of failure with setbacks and losses so I am glad they did not make it possible to rescue both. If you go back to rescue the squadmate guarding the bomb, you can see some other humans in the area fighting the Geth, although they die pretty quickly. At least that has been my experience.
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