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Post by necrowaif on May 25, 2021 20:27:43 GMT
I guess that I should count myself lucky that the version of Hawke presented in DAI is pretty well the version of Hawke I played in DA2.
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Post by nunziodefilippis on May 25, 2021 20:30:46 GMT
Um... what did I just watch? (I mean, it was kinda awesome, but I am so confused) a visual and audio representation of my hype for the next issue It is surreal. But very cool.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 25, 2021 20:36:59 GMT
I guess that I should count myself lucky that the version of Hawke presented in DAI is pretty well the version of Hawke I played in DA2. I’m jealous. I can’t think of any real way for them to have messed my Hawke up more if they tried. It’s why I’m dreading the fate of the Inquisitor, since between Hawke and Revan the bar is so low it’s laying on the ground.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 26, 2021 0:50:47 GMT
Unfortunately, the Hawke we encounter in DA:I is one who left a love interest behind and then volunteered to be left in the Fade. And since that is the one we see through objective eyes instead of through the narrative Varric is crafting, it's likely to be the real Hawke at play. And that Hawke is risking any romance from DA2 with that behavior (and obviously may die). No. There is no "real" Hawke. I soundly reject that notion. That may be Bioware's Hawke, but it is not mine, who would never be so whiny and guilt-ridden about something over which he had no control. Hawke's behavior was stupid and nonsensical and I loathed the Fade choice as an obvious emotional gimmick. And this is why a lot of people were pissed with the way Hawke was handled in DAI. I certainly hope that Inquisitor, should they appear, is not used in a similar way. I also hate the unreliable narrator gimmick that everyone uses as an excuse for everything remotely contradictory. I can accept that the comics use a set canon as a necessity, and that Bioware used one for some elements in DAI as well, but that does not make it the "real" Hawke. While I do think that Fenris would be pissed at being left behind, I don't think it is "infantilizing." I think Hawke's remarks are realistic for Fenris as we see him portrayed in DA2. And given that the line was likely written by David Gaider, I'm pretty confident in that. Fenris is shown to be impulsive and his romance language suggests he would die for Hawke. I don't think it's an unfounded concern at all. That said, while I worked Hawke leaving Fenris behind into my own canon, Hawke knows he fucked up. Not going to get into the details of my own version beyond that. I don't think this is giving the relationship, or either person, enough credit. People can understand they made a mistake and grow. You're making a lot of assumption about Hawke -- other players' Hawkes -- with that second part there. Fenris and Hawke have been through a lot together; I think they could move past this. I also think that losing Hawke would be far more devastating than this minor bump in their relationship. I'm sorry you disagree.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 26, 2021 1:09:36 GMT
I sincerely hope this ends somewhere where I can head-canon that they got back together, otherwise I'm going to be really disappointed. Eh you can just do what I do and pretend Blue Wraith doesn't exist. Well, depending on how things are portrayed in DA4. For me, games > everything else because of choice import. Well, for the most part. While I stick to official canon most of the time -- e.g. Hawke leaves Fenris behind -- my Hawke is not living in Kirkwall, despite what the game said. Assuming we never hear about Hawke again, I'm content with the headcanon I have for my Hawke and Fenris going forward. The first run of comics don't happen for me, either, since Anora rules and Alistair is a drunk in my game. shrug
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Post by yarus on May 26, 2021 5:06:17 GMT
Just read the third issue. It was good. A bit disappointing that Ser Aaron bit the dust, but eh I went into it expecting someone to die. If there's any complaint I can have, it's that I don't understand Shirallas's character? Or why Fenris's final words are so cold to him? I mean at first I thought Fenris assumed that the red lyrium hijacked his mind as it did so many others (Red Templars in DAI/Meredith), but his final words are .... I dunno, overtly antagonistic? Was just weird, I guess. Especially considering how chill Fenris seems with the rest of Vaea's companions who he's known for a week or so. Happy Vaea survived, though I do wonder what would've been different if she bit the dust and Ser Aaron survived. The dude has a lot of demons, imagine the angst of having his knight/elf die to a dragon or any of the other horrors in this issue? I stand corrected, though the larger point is somewhat still in place - he's out fighting, and likely not living in the same house in Kirkwall. He may be more reachable, again depending on where he's fighting. As to why they fell out, that would be a way to smooth over the differences. I think the "unreliable narrator" storytelling device is likely the one in play, because it covers any number of differences (Hawke's views on Blood Magic, their departure from their LI, and anything else that arises). Unfortunately, the Hawke we encounter in DA:I is one who left a love interest behind and then volunteered to be left in the Fade. And since that is the one we see through objective eyes instead of through the narrative Varric is crafting, it's likely to be the real Hawke at play. And that Hawke is risking any romance from DA2 with that behavior (and obviously may die). I have played DA:I several times and never leave Hawke in the Fade. I could never do that to my LI (usually Fenris or Merrill). But I sometimes wonder if I should let Hawke die. Again, I'm not mad like some of you are. But I see Hawke through new eyes having to really get into the head of Fenris. Leaving Fenris behind because "he would have died to protect me" is so patronizing and infantilizing that I sometimes think that Fenris SHOULDN'T forgive Hawke and reunite afterwards. And I think it would be easier for Fenris to forgive Hawke if Hawke were dead than it would be if Hawke were alive, knowing that this could (and likely would) happen again the next time a big world event called for Hawke's involvement. But fortunately, I don't decide the Bioware official canon. I just work with what I'm given. At times Hawke gave really good rational like Isabela or Anders, decent/inoffensive ones like Sebastian, or just weird ones like Merrill or Fenris. Honestly the way Hawke in Inquisition talked about blood magic----it makes alot more sense with a Hawke who rivalmanced Merrill, not someone who married a blood mage and earned her friendship. With that said, (and I might be misremembering) I thought Varric's post-Adamant dialogue implied his LI was in Kirkwall. Especially if you compare scenes with an unromanced Hawke vs a romanced Hawke --- it gave the impression whoever Hawke's LI was, they were still in Kirkwall(either Merrill looking after the elves or Fenris hunting slavers who, as DA2 makes painfully clear, are hovering over Kirkwall like vultures for most of the game). It's been a while since I replayed the game so I might be remembering something falsely. Aside from "Hawke canonically hates blood magic", there were a lot of other continuity issues between DA2 and Inquisition. Maybe I'll headcanon that the events of Dark Fortress took place similarly with a Fenris-romanced Hawke accompanying Vaea and Fenris during the final battle. I mean, Varric does predict that both he and Carver will join Hawke at Weisshaupt after Adament, so it'd be weird for Hawke to suddenly disappear by the time the events of Dark Fortress/comic!Fenris start up. Anyways, yeah --- overall alright comic. Really enjoyed it, though I understand how weird it must be for other players (including myself) to figure out how their romanced Fenris would work in this story. Same issue with Isabela with the King Alistair comics.
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Post by Rascoth on May 26, 2021 5:54:13 GMT
yarus Can you hide your spoilers for now? I came here not expecting spoilers, since it still shows "pre-order" for me instead of buying, so I got spoiled. I wouldn't want this to happen to anyone else. Plus not everyone will read it right away.
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on May 26, 2021 7:49:26 GMT
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I spoilered it, please keep things hidden folks. Let's not ruin everyone's fun.
If it happens again just report the post and one of us will fix it Valliant effort Necro!
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Post by Rascoth on May 26, 2021 9:33:10 GMT
MODERATOR POST I spoilered it, please keep things hidden folks. Let's not ruin everyone's fun. If it happens again just report the post and one of us will fix it Valliant effort Necro! Thanks I decided to make a post instead of reporting, since I hoped to still catch yarus online (they edited their post not long before I made mine). I'll remember for next time.
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Post by ellehaym on May 26, 2021 14:25:34 GMT
Dark Fortress #3 Just finished and wow so many things to process.
I feel sad that Aaron died,but I was getting death flags from him for a while now.
So the Idol is around and Solas was observing this whole ordeal from wherever he was? I guess I shouldn't be surprised since doing this weakened both the Qunari forces and made Tevinter another fortress/territory and distracted the Inquisition.
Still ... I can't help but feel something bad is going to happen. The Sarcophagus was not destroyed and is now deep underground, maybe so deep that its in the deep roads where *sombebody* will discover it. The Idol is still around, although it looks like Solas is observing its whereabouts.
Shame Shiralas died, I thought he'd escape somehow and become a secret boss in DA4.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 26, 2021 15:01:40 GMT
So the Idol is around and Solas was observing this whole ordeal from wherever he was? I guess I shouldn't be surprised since doing this weakened both the Qunari forces and made Tevinter another fortress/territory and distracted the Inquisition. Well if you read Tevinter Nights, it explains this some more, although I have to admit that if he is able to observe actually what is going on via the Fade, I would have thought the idol would never have made it as far as it did without him intervening. So maybe you are right and he knew it would create problems for the Qunari and a distraction from whatever he is currently doing. I do rather hope there are some limits to what Solas can do though, particularly when it comes to knowing what other people are up to, or what would be the point of finding new people "he doesn't know"?
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Post by yarus on May 26, 2021 16:19:06 GMT
yarus Can you hide your spoilers for now? I came here not expecting spoilers, since it still shows "pre-order" for me instead of buying, so I got spoiled. I wouldn't want this to happen to anyone else. Plus not everyone will read it right away. Apologies, I just got online. Sorry about that =/
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Post by ellanathehamster on May 26, 2021 16:27:25 GMT
well, looks like Solas is back on his bullshit I think his ability to observe the Idol is OP. Or just observe anyone from the Fade. something must be up with that. Otherwise any subterfuge is useless, if he can just show up before the mirror and say: "Geeez, what are ths slackers are doing at this moment?"
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Post by ellanathehamster on May 26, 2021 17:02:59 GMT
Also, I'm starting to wonder how many of the statues we see around Thedas were once real people at one time who pissed off Solas? I'm assuming that is what Solas did to young Danarius. It would be cool if at some point during DA4 we stumble across this random statue in the middle of nowhere that seems to be carrying a missing parcel. 😁
Hold on, what? He turned him into stone?
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Post by dadithinkimgay on May 26, 2021 17:09:47 GMT
Dark Fortress #3 Just finished and wow so many things to process.
I feel sad that Aaron died,but I was getting death flags from him for a while now.
So the Idol is around and Solas was observing this whole ordeal from wherever he was? I guess I shouldn't be surprised since doing this weakened both the Qunari forces and made Tevinter another fortress/territory and distracted the Inquisition.
Still ... I can't help but feel something bad is going to happen. The Sarcophagus was not destroyed and is now deep underground, maybe so deep that its in the deep roads where *sombebody* will discover it. The Idol is still around, although it looks like Solas is observing its whereabouts.
Shame Shiralas died, I thought he'd escape somehow and become a secret boss in DA4.
Not only is the sarcophagus still intact, it’s directly under a fortress now occupied by The Qunari. That’ll end well.
I have to wonder why Solas even cares about the idol. He’s started his ritual without it, so I don’t think he needs it to complete it. It’s also blighted with red lyrium, which he doesn’t fuck with.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 26, 2021 17:13:54 GMT
Just finished the chapter. Did not like it at all, and it kind of ruined a lot of what came before that I did. So much for Vaea staying unique. She just immediately decided to drop her rule. Shit.
Knew Aaron would die, so not affected by that at all.
Guess that means they won't be in DA4, except maybe Tessa and Marius, since they're heading to Ferelden.
And Solas is just as overpowered as I said he would be. Having new people after him means nothing.
At least Francesca was interesting this chapter, being ale to hold down a High Dragon. So that's...something I guess.
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Post by theascendent on May 26, 2021 17:15:36 GMT
Does this explain where the idol went. Or how it showed up in Tevinter Nights? I know the comics don't impact canon often, but the novels are so, does it?
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Post by gervaise21 on May 26, 2021 17:55:13 GMT
Does this explain where the idol went. Or how it showed up in Tevinter Nights? I know the comics don't impact canon often, but the novels are so, does it? Well I already suggested further up the thread how this could tie in to Tevinter Nights. We were told there by the Mortalitasi that a Tevinter mage came to them claiming to have come from House Danarius and bearing the idol. So that could either be Tractus or some other random mage within the castle (there were said to be several in the first instalment) who fled the place when the Qunari arrived. Their exact identity doesn't matter because they got chomped by the Dread Wolf during their blood magic ritual using the idol. What is more interesting to me is what happened to the idol after that. If Solas can see the progress of the idol from the Fade, then I suppose it is reasonable to assume that whether you believe his own story or not, he does now have it as he claimed. Otherwise, if he does not yet have it but can track its journey, then he must have messed up yet again somewhere along the line, like he did in the Carta dwarf's tale, trying to recover it. I'm not entirely convinced by this idea that he can track the idol because if that was the case, and it was so necessary to his plans, surely he should have known exactly where it was from the moment Hawke brought it back to the surface? That being the case, why didn't he direct one of his agents, Felassan springs to mind, to head to Kirkwall and recover it before he woke up? Alternatively, the first thing he should have done on waking was to head to Kirkwall to recover it himself. So maybe the idol only became important to him after Plan A involving his orb failed. Also, maybe he can only track it now he has absorbed Mythal because it has some direct link to her psyche rather than his own.
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Post by theascendent on May 26, 2021 17:55:40 GMT
Curious what new story they will do next. (This is me assuming they are finished with these characters). Antiva would be interesting to see more of. Nevarra dealing with an aging king with no heirs sounds rife for intrigue. We got plenty of Tevinter in these comics and Tevinter Nights. Not to mention the upcoming game.
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Post by ellehaym on May 26, 2021 18:00:12 GMT
Dark Fortress #3 Just finished and wow so many things to process.
I feel sad that Aaron died,but I was getting death flags from him for a while now.
So the Idol is around and Solas was observing this whole ordeal from wherever he was? I guess I shouldn't be surprised since doing this weakened both the Qunari forces and made Tevinter another fortress/territory and distracted the Inquisition.
Still ... I can't help but feel something bad is going to happen. The Sarcophagus was not destroyed and is now deep underground, maybe so deep that its in the deep roads where *sombebody* will discover it. The Idol is still around, although it looks like Solas is observing its whereabouts.
Shame Shiralas died, I thought he'd escape somehow and become a secret boss in DA4.
Not only is the sarcophagus still intact, it’s directly under a fortress now occupied by The Qunari. That’ll end well.
I have to wonder why Solas even cares about the idol. He’s started his ritual without it, so I don’t think he needs it to complete it. It’s also blighted with red lyrium, which he doesn’t fuck with. I wonder if Solas plans on having somebody activate it much like he did when he had his agents lead Corypheus to his Orb? Seeing how there's now red lyrium vines and potentially Darkspawn with red lyrium, I'm assuming things didn't quite go according to his plan between now and DA4. Hard to believe he'll be desperate enough to use it, but one of the murals we saw his dreadwolf form have red light similar to Cory's dragon attacks and the Orb. It was also said that he created that Idol.
There needs to be a way for people to hide their presence from a Dream. I remember Feynriel can observe and manipulate people in Kirkwall from all the way in Tevinter and he's just a novice. I remember Morrigan successfully hid herself and Kieran from Flemeth, but only temporarily.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 26, 2021 18:02:57 GMT
Not only is the sarcophagus still intact, it’s directly under a fortress now occupied by The Qunari. That’ll end well.
I have to wonder why Solas even cares about the idol. He’s started his ritual without it, so I don’t think he needs it to complete it. It’s also blighted with red lyrium, which he doesn’t fuck with. I wonder if Solas plans on having somebody activate it much like he did when he had his agents lead Corypheus to his Orb? Seeing how there's now red lyrium vines and potentially Darkspawn with red lyrium, I'm assuming things didn't quite go according to his plan between now and DA4. Hard to believe he'll be desperate enough to use it, but one of the murals we saw his dreadwolf form have red light similar to Cory's dragon attacks and the Orb. It was also said that he created that Idol.
There needs to be a way for people to hide their presence from a Dream. I remember Feynriel can observe and manipulate people in Kirkwall from all the way in Tevinter and he's just a novice. I remember Morrigan successfully hid herself and Kieran from Flemeth, but only temporarily. If she ever did. I can easily see Flemeth watching Morrigan the whole time, just not interfering or showing herself until the time was right.
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Post by nunziodefilippis on May 26, 2021 18:12:12 GMT
Hey all, Not gonna respond to every person's reaction. Just the one, because I've been trying to reassure Hanako for a while now... Just finished the chapter. Did not like it at all, and it kind of ruined a lot of what came before that I did. So much for Vaea staying unique. She just immediately decided to drop her rule. Shit. I'm not certain it's fair to say that what made Vaea unique was a 100% no killing rule, so much as an attitude about killing that was different from most other characters. That attitude hasn't changed. You originally said your fear was that killing/Ser Aaron's death would make her a dark figure who was okay killing people. That isn't what happened. Her immediate response to killing was to make sure that the plan to save the dragon still was able to come to fruition. That is meant as a reaffirmation of her stance. She will try to avoid killing whenever she can.
But she couldn't avoid it with Nenealeus. He was controlling the dragon, and if he doesn't die, the heroes don't win and a lot of people die. Marius was willing to DIE to make sure that didn't happen. And when Tessa was unable to deliver the killing blow, Vaea knew it had to be her (the only other one who could sneak up on Nenealeus while Marius let himself get nearly killed).
It wasn't meant to suggest that she immediately decided to drop anything. It was meant to suggest that in the heat of battle you may not have a choice. She recognized that, and then immediately set out to prove (via the dragon) that in most cases you DO have a choice, even if others don't see it.
I'm sorry you feel this ruins the story or Vaea. But this is what we've been building towards with her since Knight Errant. She was always meant to have her chance at being a Knight. And being a Knight means that all options have to be on the table. Being Vaea means she will always look for other options first.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 26, 2021 18:21:35 GMT
There needs to be a way for people to hide their presence from a Dream. I remember Feynriel can observe and manipulate people in Kirkwall from all the way in Tevinter and he's just a novice. I remember Morrigan successfully hid herself and Kieran from Flemeth, but only temporarily. Now it is entirely possible that I've come up with an idea that isn't how the writers will explain it but it has occurred to me that Morrigan successfully hid herself and Kieran because for much of the time they were in the Crossroads. As this is an in-between world, neither in Thedas nor the Fade, may be there you can't be tracked by Dreamers. Hence Solas being so intent on recovering control of the network, not simply because people can use it to move around quickly over long distances but because they could do this without his knowledge. It would also explain why he was so pissed with Felassan because it really could wreck his plans if his enemies can move around undetected.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 26, 2021 18:31:06 GMT
Not gonna respond to every person's reaction. As you'll see in the next issue, Red Wraith Shirallas will interact with the Red Lyrium, his markings, and even the sword, very differently than Fenris does with his engravings. I'll hold off on explaining until you see Issue 3. Happy to dive deeper after that, but hopefully the issue will showcase the differences. Ready to start diving yet?
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