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Post by traks on Jan 15, 2021 21:30:51 GMT
The game will do fine, if it's good. There's plenty of good games that don't do fine. I maintain that the brand is damaged and will underperform financially. Those, that only want to play Shepard are too small a crowd and not important enough as a target audience Did you see the teaser trailer's view count? And you forget that EA's goal isn't just making some money, or even a lot of money. They want to make ALL of the money. Similarly to Disney Wars, EA would be leaving money on the table. They can choose not to, as they so far have, but it will not be a good look. To all parties involved. So the only way to go forward if the trilogy remains as it is, is to have Shepard as a historical figure - the hero of the Reaper war - while playing another character who simply is put into one of the many possible and equally valid world states. 'Demanding' anything else is just being selfish, so anyone who wants more Mass Effect should accept the reality that Shepard's story is over. I ask, then, if the public is not on board with the idea of a new protagonist, is it selfish to not buy something they don't want? Should they be obligated to buy it? Are we going to label them again? Are we going to label them racist, sexist and homophobic again, like we did we ME3? Saying this as a big Shepard fan. We gotta let go! Bioware should have dropped ME. It's not going to come back in any other way. They need to fix it. Or they can watch it tank. I disagree with your 'market analysis'. Ask any Mass Effect fan, if he or she wants to play a Shepard that isn't the one they played in the trilogy, the one that made their decisions and you should have your answer - that it is not. I bet that a majority is fine with a different character, if the premise, story and presentation are. You always make it sound like this is the take of a minority among ME fans and you are betting against this, but it is a take that hasn't changed one bit since the old BSN if I'm not mistaken. At least not among those that want more Mass Effect as far as I can gather. And if they don't want a continuation, what has that to do with the next Mass Effect? If you are not interested, you are not buying anyway. You could for example argue all day that a remake with a different ending and then a fourth Shepard game would've been your preferred way (a way I would've been very interested in) - but that's not what is announced. Announced is a remaster that doesn't change the story and the only sound decision IMO in that case for a sequel is a different character, because Shepard as a historical figure works for everyone with an open mind. Not sure why asking for that open mind is so bad that you think people with different opinions will be called out. Is selfish such a strong word for you? A better wording of mine would then probably be 'stuck in their thinking when it comes to Mass Effect'.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 15, 2021 23:16:57 GMT
Ask any Mass Effect fan, if he or she wants to play a Shepard that isn't the one they played in the trilogy, the one that made their decisions and you should have your answer - that it is not. There is only two choices that have remained constant in all my playthroughs, letting the council die and choosing red. There have been choices that I've made only once. If Bioware were to choose to have this, that, and the other thing, I wouldn't have a problem since I likely made that choice in a playthrough. Even if they were to go with blue or green, with Shepard alive, I would be ok with that since I would be curious what Bioware would do for a story with the reapers still around. I would be fine with that. Have all new characters with no one from the trilogy showing up. The same with Andromeda. I would like to see a remake, but I don't see that happening. It would be interesting what Bioware would change.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 16, 2021 0:03:29 GMT
I disagree with your 'market analysis'. Then we're at an impasse. Ask any Mass Effect fan, if he or she wants to play a Shepard that isn't the one they played in the trilogy, the one that made their decisions and you should have your answer - that it is not. I think they are a lot less attached to their choices. The only people I see attached to their choices are right here. I bet that a majority is fine with a different character, if the premise, story and presentation are. You always make it sound like this is the take of a minority among ME fans and you are betting against this, but it is a take that hasn't changed one bit since the old BSN if I'm not mistaken. At least not among those that want more Mass Effect as far as I can gather. A lot less people care for Mass Effect today, than 8 years, hell, 3 years ago. Do you know what ME3 and Andromeda accomplished? ME3 put off people by ruining the branch and only a fraction of those returned for ME:A, we've been through the numbers before and out of the new people that Andromeda attracted, which weren't enough, it was largely panned. The people that will sign up for a new Mass Effect, or worse, a new Bioware game, after the PR disasters of the past decade, are significantly less than what they would be 10 years ago. Bioware burnt and ditched 2 community forums from engaging with them in the process. Name me 1 more studio that has done that. Audience disposition toward Bioware is largely negative and media disposition toward Bioware is largely negative. Bioware needs a hook, what you are suggesting is not a hook. And if they don't want a continuation, what has that to do with the next Mass Effect? If you are not interested, you are not buying anyway. Yes, I am not buying this game, either. It has, in fact, been very easy not to buy Bioware products in the past 10 years. And it looks like I will be buying neither 3 of the new Bioware games to be developed in this decade, nor will I be buying the trilogy remaster. You could for example argue all day that a remake with a different ending and then a fourth Shepard game would've been your preferred way (a way I would've been very interested in) - but that's not what is announced. Which is a huge mistake. Bioware have the absolute BEST setup to change the ending, by just saying "we want to try something different". That's all. And they won't. Because they're too scared of fucking it up worse. Announced is a remaster that doesn't change the story and the only sound decision IMO in that case for a sequel is a different character, because Shepard as a historical figure works for everyone with an open mind. Then let it work for whoever it works for. I am arguing this is not a massively appealing product. Especially when exactly 0 of Bioware's new characters since DA2 have stuck with the greater gaming public. And I am willing to bet that DA4 will produce exactly 0 more. Not sure why asking for that open mind is so bad that you think people with different opinions will be called out. Is selfish such a strong word for you? A better wording of mine would then probably be 'stuck in their thinking when it comes to Mass Effect'. It's not people's job to care for Mass Effect. People who have been let down by the franchise and by extension the studio, are not obligated to support Mass Effect regardless. Most people don't think of either. The first thing they will think, though, when they show some new nobody leading the title, will be that of their experience with Ryder. I don't think, after the original reception of Andromeda, that people will be receptive toward that. It's very easy not to care. It's Bioware's job to make them care. It's not so much of "stuck in their thinking" as much as "the title failing to stick in their thinking". It's very easy to just forget about it. Very easy.
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Post by jrpN7 on Jan 16, 2021 0:55:20 GMT
Taking the public reaction to the teaser and how everyone thinks that Shepard will be back, I don't think that time has passed. It's basically why everyone went ape shit crazy. At the very least 3x more ape shit crazy over what Dragon Age had to offer. Shepard's time has passed.
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I see cyberstrike has stopped by once again in a pointless attempt to drop another discussion ending flarebomb to which he'll turn around and then like his own post. That person's time has passed, not necessarily in-world but to almost all of those who have played their story. SirSourpuss is right in simply observing and stating the obvious. Normal or casuals make up the bulk of the ME fanbase. Simply poking around YouTube and reading comments and watching teaser reaction vids, it is very obvious a HUGE if not FAIR portion expect Shepard to return because his name is synonymous with Mass Effect to them, especially in the MW setting. And there are plenty of doors open for them to think that way, These casuals are there, but not here and it is all them and their money that BioWare is aiming for. Not this gaggle of forum dwellers. That said, I think there is great possibility for Shepard to return; enough to discuss it as an option. To discount the possibility and even pass it off entirely is foolish and lacks discernment and daresay imagination.
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Post by feuerrabe on Jan 16, 2021 7:20:31 GMT
The problem with bringing Shepard back is that Shepard has already achieved everything that one could possibly hope to achieve: Not only did Shepard get humanity a seat on the Council of the galactic multi-species society, Shepard also united all the races of galaxy in a battle and then averted certain apocalypse, but not means of this united army, by rather single handedly (by the virtue of a deus ex machina, who thought that Shepard was really cool). Shepard is already the galaxy's greatest hero. There is no room to grow, no way that Shepard may accomplish anything greater than they already did. We already know that Shepard can pave their through everyone and everything and even if they were to fail, it wouldn't really matter, because they are still the greatest hero of all times and have nothing left to prove.
Bringing Shepard back would be like a rock band, reinterpreting their first album over and over again, because they don't really dare to do anything else. The reapers would be downgraded to but the first of many obstacles that Shepard punched through.
When making a new game, chances are that BioWare and EA will want to attract not only the existing audience, but also a new audience, those who are 16 to 25 at the release of a new game, players who may have no emotional connection to Shepard whatsoever. If they were to bring back Shepard, that would raise the issue that those players get presented a galactic overlord with countless connections in the game world as character, to whom those new players have no connection whatsoever.
I will play the next Mass Effect game, regardless of who the protagonist is, and so will most Mass Effect fans, casual and hardcore alike, but, if they do bring Shepard back, Mass Effect will probably fade into obscurity, because they created game with a protagonist that won't resonate with any new audience and tells at best a decent, but superfluous story, which is but a pale reflection of what has been around before. It may be received well amongst fans, but it will hardly reach beyond fans.
Sure, it remains a possibility that BioWare is doing it anyway, and it's not like this discussion has any influence whatsoever on what BioWare is going to do. They either bring back Shepard, bring back Ryder, make another existing character the protagonist, or come up with something new. At least in so far, the decision is likely already made.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 16, 2021 10:51:21 GMT
There is no room to grow, no way that Shepard may accomplish anything greater than they already did. A post ME3 Destroy Milky Way offers tons of ways to grow further. Galactic dark age, full of lawlessness and chances for power grabs, the Citadel no longer being a neutral ground hub, but seated directly above the Earth, not to mention the Leviathans being no longer obstructed by Reapers. Bringing Shepard back would be like a rock band, reinterpreting their first album over and over again, because they don't really dare to do anything else. But Bioware has dared to do more. Multiple times and with not just Mass Effect. And none of those games have farred particularly well. I am not against them doing it, but obviously what they have been doing hasn't been working very well. And fuck me, personally, but what about all the people that have that opinion, which seems to be the majority of people that use to engage with Bioware's games? The reapers would be downgraded to but the first of many obstacles that Shepard punched through. Good. The Reapers were a terrible idea, as implemented, to begin with. Better to forget them completely. When making a new game, chances are that BioWare and EA will want to attract not only the existing audience, but also a new audience, those who are 16 to 25 at the release of a new game, players who may have no emotional connection to Shepard whatsoever Again, the LE is there exactly for that. If the Trilogy doesn't create any emotional connection to the audience, chances are, neither will Andromeda, or ME5. I will play the next Mass Effect game, regardless of who the protagonist is, and so will most Mass Effect fans, casual and hardcore alike That is a bold statement. I will not be playing it. I already know what they won't do and as such my interest in the title is 0. I am only interested in the public reaction when Bioware shows that Shepard and co. won't be back and for the meme reviews. It's 5-6 years away, but hey, I got time. if they do bring Shepard back, Mass Effect will probably fade into obscurity, because they created game with a protagonist that won't resonate with any new audience and tells at best a decent, but superfluous story, which is but a pale reflection of what has been around before. It may be received well amongst fans, but it will hardly reach beyond fans. Then this is the wrong time for Bioware to be making a Mass Effect game, or ever making another Mass Effect game ever. But that's not what's happening. Sure, it remains a possibility that BioWare is doing it anyway, and it's not like this discussion has any influence whatsoever on what BioWare is going to do It does, though. They either bring back Shepard, bring back Ryder, make another existing character the protagonist, or come up with something new. At least in so far, the decision is likely already made. Indeed, it is. But we're far enough away for that to still change.
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Post by feuerrabe on Jan 16, 2021 11:55:50 GMT
There is no room to grow, no way that Shepard may accomplish anything greater than they already did. A post ME3 Destroy Milky Way offers tons of ways to grow further. Galactic dark age, full of lawlessness and chances for power grabs, the Citadel no longer being a neutral ground hub, but seated directly above the Earth, not to mention the Leviathans being no longer obstructed by Reapers. That's besides the point. The setting (imho, regardless of which ending you pick, and a galactic dark age is a possibility) allows for a different story, but there still remains no room for Shepard to grow as a character. When making a new game, chances are that BioWare and EA will want to attract not only the existing audience, but also a new audience, those who are 16 to 25 at the release of a new game, players who may have no emotional connection to Shepard whatsoever Again, the LE is there exactly for that. If the Trilogy doesn't create any emotional connection to the audience, chances are, neither will Andromeda, or ME5. I don't think so. EA and BioWare can capitalise on the series once more, but the games are too dated to really follow through. Mass Effect is hopelessly outdated and while Mass Effect 2 and 3 are still viable games, they stick with a very slow cover shooter system with very limited modes of motion. Sure it will make some waves, but not enough to carry the franchise into the future on its own. It certainly serves a purpose in keeping the brand recognition alive, but that's it. I will play the next Mass Effect game, regardless of who the protagonist is, and so will most Mass Effect fans, casual and hardcore alike That is a bold statement. I will not be playing it. I already know what they won't do and as such my interest in the title is 0. I am only interested in the public reaction when Bioware shows that Shepard and co. won't be back and for the meme reviews. It's 5-6 years away, but hey, I got time. If they only make a good game that stands on its own feet, it won't matter. There will be individual fans who won't play it out of spite, no matter what BioWare choses to do, but if the game really catches on that will be negligible minority. if they do bring Shepard back, Mass Effect will probably fade into obscurity, because they created game with a protagonist that won't resonate with any new audience and tells at best a decent, but superfluous story, which is but a pale reflection of what has been around before. It may be received well amongst fans, but it will hardly reach beyond fans. Then this is the wrong time for Bioware to be making a Mass Effect game, or ever making another Mass Effect game ever. But that's not what's happening. Mass Effect, as a setting and a concept for games, has a value that goes beyond individual characters. It has similarities to other franchises, such Star Wars, Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica and whatnot, but Mass Effect has an own look and feel to it, the sleek design, to the ships, the aliens, which strike a pretty good balance between too alien and too human, the environment such as the citadel. It came with a rich lore to begin with, but as a setting, there is a lot more you can do with it, ways to expand the setting. They either bring back Shepard, bring back Ryder, make another existing character the protagonist, or come up with something new. At least in so far, the decision is likely already made. Indeed, it is. But we're far enough away for that to still change. It's possible, but not very likely. However, forum discussions such as this will have zero impact on the decision.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 16, 2021 14:23:32 GMT
there still remains no room for Shepard to grow as a character. Depends what you consider "growth", but I would tend to disagree on multiple fronts, at least. it will make some waves, but not enough to carry the franchise into the future on its own At which case, ME is dead. It certainly serves a purpose in keeping the brand recognition alive, but that's it. I doubt it will do even that. If they only make a good game that stands on its own feet, it won't matter. This is completely not happening, even without the people's distrust toward Bioware. The last Bioware game that was universally loved, was ME2. Even considering DA:I's "success", it was heavily criticized for being an offline MMO with shallow RPG elements, a forgettable cast of characters and a plotline that was all over the place. I'd argue, DA:I did more damage than good to the franchise. Mass Effect, as a setting and a concept for games, has a value that goes beyond individual characters Not anymore. I disagree. The brand is damaged. forum discussions such as this will have zero impact on the decision Demonstrably false.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 16, 2021 14:51:39 GMT
there still remains no room for Shepard to grow as a character. Depends what you consider "growth", but I would tend to disagree on multiple fronts, at least. How would Shepard continue to grow as a character? You say you disagree, yet give no arguments or examples.
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Post by mtheillusive on Jan 16, 2021 15:13:39 GMT
Depends what you consider "growth", but I would tend to disagree on multiple fronts, at least. How would Shepard continue to grow as a character? You say you disagree, yet give no arguments or examples. I KNOW! I KNOW! I KNOW! I KNOW!!! Ok so for Destroy and Live Ending Shepard can....they can...um....ummmm.....hmmmmm....maybe some bad guys do some bad things post War and its up for Shepard to stop em? But...well it doesn't sound particularly interesting compared to the Trilogy though. Yikes Alright lets try Synthesis! Shepard can....ok....Shep can....is there anything that can even happen unless there's like some sort of Galactic Synthesis Geth like schism? I guess you can have Shepard vs the organic/cyborg heretics but um....eww that sounds horrible Ok.... Control. Thats it! Shepard can uh.....shoot...um.....ok Shep's like a God now right? Maybe some new baddies come and Shepard creates a new body for himself, and your squadmates in battle are the Reapers! I...guess... Fine...that leaves Refuse. Ya know technically Shepard lives in that one too. Did you see them actually die? I didn't! See! There ya go! Refuse it is!
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Post by alanc9 on Jan 16, 2021 18:35:37 GMT
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Post by ahglock on Jan 16, 2021 19:23:14 GMT
Depends what you consider "growth", but I would tend to disagree on multiple fronts, at least. How would Shepard continue to grow as a character? You say you disagree, yet give no arguments or examples. How couldn't he?
It is an entirely different set of challenges ones that that don't play into his skill set. In fact I'd say its the exact opposite of what he has displayed before in some senses. His goals would be rebuilding not destruction. The idea that someone stops growing or their story is over because they accomplished an objective is bizarre.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 16, 2021 19:45:11 GMT
How would Shepard continue to grow as a character? You say you disagree, yet give no arguments or examples. That would depend, whether Shepard is left alive or not. So, mtheillusive, Control and Synthesis would be entirely out of the question. From there, I would have to ask, what do we consider "growth". First of all, are we talking about gameplay? Shepard was already level 50 or whatever when we last left him. Well, in that term, we are left broken and beaten in a post destroy ending. Things would be really chaotic and Shepard would, most likely, not get a chance to recuperate. The galaxy would need a symbol to rally under and what better symbol would that be than Shepard? So Shepard would not be at his full potential at the start of the game, far from it. He would be, effectively, too beaten to exhibit his full strength. He would need to overcome his injuries. I'd like to take a moment as I notice I use the term "he" a lot. I predominantly, if not exclusively, played Sheploo, so please bear with me, it is not done on purpose, it's subliminal. So Shepard would not be at the top of his game. Even overcoming injuries, it would take his body time to reach his peak, therefore a return to level 1 is completely justifiable. If we are talking about character growth in terms of personality, there are places Shepard can go, not on the level of the legend of Shepard, but by going more personal. We could examine the futility of his existence, that there will always be more battles to fight, the support of his squadmates and/or even that of his LI. We could examine the personal stakes and drives of Shepard. What drives Shepard and what attracts these people to stay alongside him. The cost of the sacrifices he's had to make on the way, to his conscience. And while I do understand that each Shepard is different, so that may not resonate with everyone, or everyone's Shepard, I would like to interject the dreams sequences in ME3, which fell flat with most players. The amount of complaints I see from various communities about these sequences and the memes surrounding them, I believe, is indicative of greater audience reception to them. There's even a mod on PC to remove them. So there are places we can go to with Shepard still, a characters that is, basically, a blank, so we can self-insert. And even so, we can expand on him, even if it means turning him into something like the Nameless One from PS:T. And we can, through the dialogue options available to us, explore those aspects in a way that can reflect us in more than one way. Don't like that? Let's explore Shepard's insistence to not give up, time after time, launching himself into the fray, in spite of dying once, or twice. Perhaps we can explore what made ... Excuse me, but I am also listening to a gaming podcast that just out of the blue started roasting Bioware in terms of future Star Wars games, now that the EA exclusivity has almost run its course and how they don't want Bioware making a KotoR 3 because nobody wants them to touch another videogame ever. Back to my point, perhaps we can explore what made Shepard join the marines. Not just in terms of the background, although we can utilize that as well, what a wasted opportunity that was, but in terms of personal beliefs. You don't become the best humanity has to offer, just because you wanted to get out of the slums of Earth, for example. What drives Shepard to excel in his field. You understand what I'm going about? We know who Shepard is, but we have no idea what makes Shepard who he is. It's more than the cybernetics, it's more than the armour and the N7 logo. It's more than the Biotic potential. It's the grit behind all that. If you strip Shepard of everything, what are you left with? I can write you five games exploring these themes of Shepard and still find more to explore with him, afterward. But I don't want 5 games. I want 1 games that fixes the ME3 divide. Then do whatever the hell you want. Doesn't have to be made for me? I will 100% agree, but there will be so many others after that, that will follow the franchise forward, which haven't so far. And you need these people to follow you in your next Ryder game. Bioware needs them to justify returning to Ryder. Or you can make 1 game that's anything but and kill the franchise for good. Take your pick.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jan 16, 2021 23:39:47 GMT
Depends what you consider "growth", but I would tend to disagree on multiple fronts, at least. How would Shepard continue to grow as a character? You say you disagree, yet give no arguments or examples.
The only things I could think of is: Shepard's married. Shepard's a parent.
BioWare could have the LI killed or wounded and their child kidnapped and have Shepard go after them but that would feel like small potatoes compared to the Reapers, but hey love or hate it The Last of Us Part II won the VGA Game of the Year Award for that kind of story.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jan 17, 2021 1:54:46 GMT
How would Shepard continue to grow as a character? You say you disagree, yet give no arguments or examples. How couldn't he?
It is an entirely different set of challenges ones that that don't play into his skill set. In fact I'd say its the exact opposite of what he has displayed before in some senses. His goals would be rebuilding not destruction. The idea that someone stops growing or their story is over because they accomplished an objective is bizarre.
So Harry Potter and the Wizard Tax Forms would have been a best selling book?
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Post by ahglock on Jan 17, 2021 7:04:59 GMT
How couldn't he?
It is an entirely different set of challenges ones that that don't play into his skill set. In fact I'd say its the exact opposite of what he has displayed before in some senses. His goals would be rebuilding not destruction. The idea that someone stops growing or their story is over because they accomplished an objective is bizarre.
So Harry Potter and the Wizard Tax Forms would have been a best selling book? Oh yes after book whatever the only thing that could possibly happen with Harry Potter is that.
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Post by Gileadan on Jan 17, 2021 7:26:11 GMT
It is definitely possible for a game to tell an interesting story with the same protagonist after the big, trilogy worthy threat has been defeated. The Wing Commander series did that with Wing Commander IV: The Price of Freedom, where, after the Kilrathi were defeated at the end of the trilogy, the new and initially mysterious "Border worlds" enemy turned out to be a rogue faction of the protagonist's own Terran Confederation Navy who through their murderous attacks wanted to force the senate to continue funding and improving the Navy so it would be ready for the next alien threats.
But that's not the type of story BioWare writes, they are all about larger than life threats and snarky characters, so it's probably safe to say that Shepard's story is over, and I really don't want the current writing team mess with him anyway. Tom Taylorson already stated that he's not involved in the next Mass Effect game at this point, so bring on the new protagonist, new oneliners and a new galaxy shattering antagonist! Or an old galaxy shattering antagonist, that's quite possible too.
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Post by 10k on Jan 17, 2021 12:36:40 GMT
Personally I'd like a Shepard return, but after Andromeda, and Anthem. I'd rather for BW to go back to la la land with the Ryders and don't tarnish Shepard's legacy. The remaster is all I want from this studio.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 17, 2021 13:08:11 GMT
Little Ryder's time has passed. Bringing them back would destroy the series. It would be bad pandering fanservice that might please a very small portion of useless hardcore gamer trolls, as you call them, but would not bring in anyone who isn't already a fan, and sure as heck won't bring in any new fans in large numbers. So a new PC it is! For m eRyder's stor yis jus tstarting so if it weer me deciding I' d try to continue it and just try to do a better job. But then that's just me.
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Post by traks on Jan 17, 2021 13:51:13 GMT
So a new PC it is! For m eRyder's stor yis jus tstarting so if it weer me deciding I' d try to continue it and just try to do a better job. But then that's just me. I'm basically fine with every of the three options - it just has to fit the story. If we take ME3 serious - i.e. it's Shepard's job to finish the Reaper threat in that timeframe/with the outlined crucible strategy, he/she for me is out. It would need a rewrite for a return to make sense and we aren't getting that. Declaring Shepard as a historical figure also gives BioWare the clean slate for the Milky Way through the ability to choose any setting they find most interesting as a starting point for ME next. Ryder makes the most sense, if the story mainly stays in Andromeda; a new PC instead, if the next story starts and centers around the Milky Way. A bigger connection to the Milky Way is important IMO, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a third, so far unknown ME playable character. If the next threat comes out of Andromeda, Ryder could follow that threat to warn/be part of the solution to the MW though, so I'm not totally writing the return of Ryder off at this point. Liara already knew Ryder's dad, so a connection between Ryder Jr. and Shadow Broker could happen, if BioWare wants to write a story around that. Edit: one additional, related thought. I am a very big fan of the save file transfer and keeping one PC over multiple games - in theory. The implementation would need major improvements (all I say is Rachni, rewriting Heretics, Collector Base...) and BioWare would need to bring out multiple games in a short time frame again. If I have to wait 7 years for a sequel, keeping the same PC loses weight for me. That being said: I would applaud them if they announce a new trilogy with save file transfers.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 17, 2021 13:55:20 GMT
If Shepard is the protag, I hope they get a bunch of sexy new NPC’s on the crew, and people are pissed because now they’re just too compelled to leave their old LI’s and move on. Sorry Liara, but after 3 games, you’ve gotten kinda boring.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 17, 2021 14:24:28 GMT
Sorry Liara, but after 3 games, you’ve gotten kinda boring. You can be sure that Liara will be returning, in increasingly greater capacity per title, if sales don't pick up.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 17, 2021 14:39:55 GMT
Sorry Liara, but after 3 games, you’ve gotten kinda boring. You can be sure that Liara will be returning, in increasingly greater capacity per title, if sales don't pick up. Oh with this teaser, I know it’s a given. Just saying, I look forward to telling her it’s over because this rodeo never ends.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jan 17, 2021 14:41:45 GMT
Tom Taylorson already stated that he's not involved in the next Mass Effect game at this point, so bring on the new protagonist, new oneliners and a new galaxy shattering antagonist! Or an old galaxy shattering antagonist, that's quite possible too. Tom to me seems more like he jokes/teases in the replies. He might said he's not involved (yet) but the way he replied with the question mark makes me think he's joking. Why he would immediately say after the teaser dropped "look at all the games I'm not involved with" with a lot of winking emojis, and i commented on that saying that he's involved with some games, so that must mean something and he liked my comment. Also the n7 hoodie he putted on when the gameawards was happening, it wasn't just a coincidence. He knew a nme teaser is gonna play, plus the tweet about Michael gamble following him back in 2015 would've been unfathomable for him... Now I'm not saying there isn't a possibility we might see a new pc, but i see them hurrying. From the concept arts to the teaser to we will know more this year. This makes me think we might see something maybe on march or at ea play, probably see ryder. They wouldn't do that if there was a new pc, the ship on the teaser would have been the only visible thing or maybe only have the krogan and the salarian standing there, not the human figure. We saw him in the teaser, and gamble hinted we know this character, and can we find it out, and after clearing the pic it is him. It was even before clearing it. If all of that hinting and everything is just teasing for nothing, it's gonna be complete bs and a bad marketing move, but i expect it to some degree while keep some hopes to what i mentioned above.
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