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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jan 17, 2021 14:44:42 GMT
So a new PC it is! For m eRyder's stor yis jus tstarting so if it weer me deciding I' d try to continue it and just try to do a better job. But then that's just me. I totally agree with you, and maybe this is what they are gonna do, seeing him on the teaser, at least i hope so.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 17, 2021 15:09:06 GMT
So Shepard would not be at the top of his game. Even overcoming injuries, it would take his body time to reach his peak, therefore a return to level 1 is completely justifiable. It would make sense. People suffer injuries all the time. It takes time to heal, do physical therapy, and then get back to the level you were at before the injury. What could happen at the beginning of ME4, is Hackett pays Shepard a visit in the hospital. He tells Shepard about a mission he like for Shepard to complete once he/she gets back on their feet. That means Shepard would go back through training to get his/her body conditioned. Shepard goes through physical training to build up their strength and endurance. Go to the firing range, even doing an obstacle course to test their reflexes and reaction time. Even getting him/herself mentally prepared. Depending on the class the player chooses, the training would be slightly different. An obstacle course could be something like what is seen in Call of DutyIf Shepard romanced A/K/Cortez/Traynor, they could join Shepard to motivate him/her in their training and to update current events on what is going on. So by the time Shepard is prepared for the mission, he/she would/could go from level 1 to maybe level 10 or whatever.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 17, 2021 15:41:55 GMT
For m eRyder's stor yis jus tstarting so if it weer me deciding I' d try to continue it and just try to do a better job. But then that's just me. I'm basically fine with every of the three options - it just has to fit the story. If we take ME3 serious - i.e. it's Shepard's job to finish the Reaper threat in that timeframe/with the outlined crucible strategy, he/she for me is out. It would need a rewrite for a return to make sense and we aren't getting that. Declaring Shepard as a historical figure also gives BioWare the clean slate for the Milky Way through the ability to choose any setting they find most interesting as a starting point for ME next. Ryder makes the most sense, if the story mainly stays in Andromeda; a new PC instead, if the next story starts and centers around the Milky Way. A bigger connection to the Milky Way is important IMO, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a third, so far unknown ME playable character. If the next threat comes out of Andromeda, Ryder could follow that threat to warn/be part of the solution to the MW though, so I'm not totally writing the return of Ryder off at this point. Liara already knew Ryder's dad, so a connection between Ryder Jr. and Shadow Broker could happen, if BioWare wants to write a story around that. Edit: one additional, related thought. I am a very big fan of the save file transfer and keeping one PC over multiple games - in theory. The implementation would need major improvements (all I say is Rachni, rewriting Heretics, Collector Base...) and BioWare would need to bring out multiple games in a short time frame again. If I have to wait 7 years for a sequel, keeping the same PC loses weight for me. That being said: I would applaud them if they announce a new trilogy with save file transfers. Yeah for me Shep didn't feel al lthat specia lin that first game for me they only grew t obe a more likeable character in 2 and 3 Though I do feel more connected with Ryder than I did with Shep after that first game. I just feel with the threads an everything left behind that Ryder's story hasn't finished yet. I'm not saying they can't connect things bac kt othe milky way but it would have to be written right. As for Ryder's story being a trilogy I wouldn't say they need to make it a rtilogy just give it a satisfactory ending. Fo rme th eonl ypar tof MEA that was ended was finding the Andromeda Initiative a new home in Meridian and beating the Kett but there were lots of side things such as the benefactor. Where did the Jaardan go and what happened to them? Also Ryder's mum's illness to name a few. I'd like to see some of these questions answered. If they can do that in a second game satisfactorily without needing to make a 3rd game then i tdoesn' tnecessarily have to be a trilogy but again that's up to Bioware. Obviousl yif the ychoose t ogo down the route of making it another trilogy I won' t complain but it is their call. I'm mostly jus tpointing out what I feel and would like to see.
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Post by ahglock on Jan 17, 2021 16:15:17 GMT
So a new PC it is! For m eRyder's stor yis jus tstarting so if it weer me deciding I' d try to continue it and just try to do a better job. But then that's just me. Well he accomplished his goal, so apparently its impossible for any growth of the character now.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jan 17, 2021 16:57:02 GMT
So Harry Potter and the Wizard Tax Forms would have been a best selling book? Oh yes after book whatever the only thing that could possibly happen with Harry Potter is that. Harry Potter and the Pickpockets. Harry Potter and the Department Paper Work
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 17, 2021 16:57:59 GMT
So Shepard would not be at the top of his game. Even overcoming injuries, it would take his body time to reach his peak, therefore a return to level 1 is completely justifiable. It would make sense. People suffer injuries all the time. It takes time to heal, do physical therapy, and then get back to the level you were at before the injury. What could happen at the beginning of ME4, is Hackett pays Shepard a visit in the hospital. He tells Shepard about a mission he like for Shepard to complete once he/she gets back on their feet. That means Shepard would go back through training to get his/her body conditioned. Shepard goes through physical training to build up their strength and endurance. Go to the firing range, even doing an obstacle course to test their reflexes and reaction time. Even getting him/herself mentally prepared. Depending on the class the player chooses, the training would be slightly different. An obstacle course could be something like what is seen in Call of DutyIf Shepard romanced A/K/Cortez/Traynor, they could join Shepard to motivate him/her in their training and to update current events on what is going on. So by the time Shepard is prepared for the mission, he/she would/could go from level 1 to maybe level 10 or whatever. If they did that, I would be really pissed off. "Oh, we can't bring back a character who still has a story to tell including an unique connection to the antagonist because they're injured, but we can do that with a character whose story is done." Also, why only those four LIs?
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Post by ahglock on Jan 17, 2021 17:01:13 GMT
Oh yes after book whatever the only thing that could possibly happen with Harry Potter is that. Harry Potter and the Pickpockets. Harry Potter and the Department Paper Work
Harry Potter and Ginny's Chamber of Secrets
Harry Potter and the Mid Life Crisis
Harry Potter and the Empty Nest Syndrome
Harry Potter and the Erectile Dysfunction
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Harry Potter and the Abandoned at the Nursing Home
Yes, we get it. Because you can't think of something people would want to read, no one can.
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Post by ahglock on Jan 17, 2021 17:02:04 GMT
It would make sense. People suffer injuries all the time. It takes time to heal, do physical therapy, and then get back to the level you were at before the injury. What could happen at the beginning of ME4, is Hackett pays Shepard a visit in the hospital. He tells Shepard about a mission he like for Shepard to complete once he/she gets back on their feet. That means Shepard would go back through training to get his/her body conditioned. Shepard goes through physical training to build up their strength and endurance. Go to the firing range, even doing an obstacle course to test their reflexes and reaction time. Even getting him/herself mentally prepared. Depending on the class the player chooses, the training would be slightly different. An obstacle course could be something like what is seen in Call of DutyIf Shepard romanced A/K/Cortez/Traynor, they could join Shepard to motivate him/her in their training and to update current events on what is going on. So by the time Shepard is prepared for the mission, he/she would/could go from level 1 to maybe level 10 or whatever. If they did that, I would be really pissed off. "Oh, we can't bring back a character who still has a story to tell including an unique connection to the antagonist because they're injured, but we can do that with a character whose story is done." Also, why only those four LIs?
Ryders story is just as done as Shepards.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 17, 2021 17:05:19 GMT
If they did that, I would be really pissed off. "Oh, we can't bring back a character who still has a story to tell including an unique connection to the antagonist because they're injured, but we can do that with a character whose story is done." Also, why only those four LIs?
Ryders story is just as done as Shepards.
First, wasn't referring to them but the Inquisitor. Second, no they aren't. Unlike Shepard, Ryder still has some business unresolved such as the Mysterious Benefactor (only they and SAM know of them), their mom being cured, the conflict with Primus(still weird to say when not referencing Transformers God), etc.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 17, 2021 17:32:40 GMT
If they did that, I would be really pissed off. So? Is Shepard's story really done? Even with the reapers destroyed, how does the galaxy know there isn't more of them somewhere? There's obviously another relay in darkspoace the reapers used to get to the Milky Way. No one knows if the red wave reached that far. There could be a space station near that relay housing whatever. Because they're with the Alliance. Shepard will be taken care of by the Alliance. While getting back in shape for the next mission, it would make sense having those near Shepard. If Shepard isn't romancing any of them, A/K would likely show up just to update Shepard on current events and to help motivate him/her to get back in shape. I know you're a fan of Chambers, but she is not Alliance. As far as the others, they're likely gone back to their homeworlds to help while Shepard recovers. Or at the very least help on the Citadel.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jan 17, 2021 17:32:51 GMT
Harry Potter and the Pickpockets. Harry Potter and the Department Paper Work
Harry Potter and Ginny's Chamber of Secrets
Harry Potter and the Mid Life Crisis
Harry Potter and the Empty Nest Syndrome
Harry Potter and the Erectile Dysfunction
Harry Potter and the Slow Decline into Senility
Harry Potter and the Abandoned at the Nursing Home
Yes, we get it. Because you can't think of something people would want to read, no one can. Oh you mean like the Fantastic Beasts series which is exactly the same story as the original book series but just down playing the nazi pure blood wizard superiority for the more general wizard superiority angle. Yet another dark wizard seeking power to take over the wizarding world and enforce their idea of superiority on all the non wizards because their ego demands it so. You know kind of like how Star Wars had a new Death Star, a new galactic scale war that fundamentally altered the balance of power in the galaxy with each new story. Before Disney got a hold of the IP pretty sure Luke in the span of 30 years stopped 3-4 death stars, Palatine twice, an ancient god like entity, an extra galactic threat that wiped out entire planets, saved and restored variations of the galactic Republic 4 times and killed his own nephew who went to the dark side after stopping said xenocidal extra galactic threat. Then haunted his great great great great grandson for a while until he to over threw an ancient sith that manged to take over the galaxy and rule with an iron fist.
And then Disney got a hold of the IP and basically just recreated the original trilogy with new characters and worse writing. And you will notice that The Mandalorian which has been well received by a lot of people. Even the ones that hate on movies 7-9 made the choice to stay the fuck away from Luke, Hans, Ray, Asoka, etc. At best they are given cameo roles simply to connect the story to the wider star wars galaxy. One of the best received Star Wars series since the Clone Wars created entirely new characters with an entirely new story and that was a massive hit.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 17, 2021 17:36:55 GMT
Because they're with the Alliance. Shepard will be taken care of by the Alliance. While getting back in shape for the next mission, it would make sense having those near Shepard. If Shepard isn't romancing any of them, A/K would likely show up just to update Shepard on current events and to help motivate him/her to get back in shape. I know you're a fan of Chambers, but she is not Alliance. As far as the others, they're likely gone back to their homeworlds to help while Shepard recovers. Or at the very least help on the Citadel. The galaxy is united like never before, so I don't see why Alliance-only be allowed while non-Alliance wouldn't.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 17, 2021 18:03:56 GMT
I look forward to telling her it’s over because this rodeo never ends. You're not even going to get the option to tell her that.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 17, 2021 18:04:56 GMT
If Shepard romanced A/K/Cortez/Traynor, they could join Shepard to motivate him/her in their training and to update current events on what is going on. So by the time Shepard is prepared for the mission, he/she would/could go from level 1 to maybe level 10 or whatever. If you imported a save, or for New Game+
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 17, 2021 18:08:00 GMT
I look forward to telling her it’s over because this rodeo never ends. You're not even going to get the option to tell her that. Point is, assuming Shepard’s roped into a new adventure for some reason, we should have the option to leave whoever we were with in the trilogy. I see no reason to deny players this choice, especially since new characters are a guarantee.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 17, 2021 18:11:14 GMT
The galaxy is united like never before I don't know. Depends on the ending. I'd see a post Destroy Milky Way going to shit the instant the Reaper threat is over with. The potential to usurp power for any race at all, really, is too big to skip out on. Terminus races could antagonist the Council, Quarians and Krogan could, theoretically, make a hasty and temporary alliance, because they feel slighted by the Council races, the other Earth government that isn't the Systems Alliance, which I forget what they are called, could find a chance to overthrow them and enforce a new world government, merc groups taking over planets that the other races can't patrol any longer, any number of things could go wrong, or all together at once. And to top it all off, the Leviathans may seek to place themselves on top of the Milky Way races again, so they could be up to their own shenanigans.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 17, 2021 18:18:32 GMT
If they did that, I would be really pissed off. So? Is Shepard's story really done? Even with the reapers destroyed, how does the galaxy know there isn't more of them somewhere? There's obviously another relay in darkspoace the reapers used to get to the Milky Way. No one knows if the red wave reached that far. There could be a space station near that relay housing whatever. Because they're with the Alliance. Shepard will be taken care of by the Alliance. While getting back in shape for the next mission, it would make sense having those near Shepard. If Shepard isn't romancing any of them, A/K would likely show up just to update Shepard on current events and to help motivate him/her to get back in shape. I know you're a fan of Chambers, but she is not Alliance. As far as the others, they're likely gone back to their homeworlds to help while Shepard recovers. Or at the very least help on the Citadel. Well we do know that the crucible was designe deto affect every known relay so I' dassume tha tmeans the ones the reapers udse to get int othe galax yas well also given the number of species ther aer it's asfe to assume I think that it has affected all of them given they were all in the galaxy attacking the various worlds. So in my opinion Shep's is done yes. I certainly don't plan on going back t oShep anyway. If Biowae rdo then it's ther loss as I won' t bother picking up the next game if that's the case.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 17, 2021 18:33:40 GMT
Oh yes after book whatever the only thing that could possibly happen with Harry Potter is that. Harry Potter and the Pickpockets. Harry Potter and the Department Paper Work
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Harry Potter and the Mid Life Crisis
Harry Potter and the Empty Nest Syndrome
Harry Potter and the Erectile Dysfunction
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Harry Potter and the Abandoned at the Nursing Home
I think this perfectly encapsulates the issue I have with dragging the same character around forever after having their saga and reaching its climax: fatigue. At some point, a character simply runs out of gas, and try as the writers might, they’ll just be working with fumes. I suspect people might regret getting what they want, assuming BioWare provides it.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 17, 2021 18:39:37 GMT
I think this perfectly encapsulates the issue I have with dragging the same character around forever after having their saga and reaching its climax: fatigue. At some point, a character simply runs out of gas, and try as the writers might, they’ll just be working with fumes. I suspect people might regret getting what they want, assuming BioWare provides it. Are you actually making the point that people want more to see of Ryder, than Shepard, because Shepard had 2 more games? The Shepard that an entire community blew up over, the moment Bioware unceremoniously killed off a second time, in 2 games, vs. a Ryder that nobody cared about? Arguably, the public outcry over Ryder being abandoned and the franchise put on ice was virtually none. So I factually don't believe that the gaming public is "fatigued" of Shepard, but I do believe they are of Ryder. Yes, even after just one game.
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Post by ahglock on Jan 17, 2021 18:42:47 GMT
Ryders story is just as done as Shepards.
First, wasn't referring to them but the Inquisitor. Second, no they aren't. Unlike Shepard, Ryder still has some business unresolved such as the Mysterious Benefactor (only they and SAM know of them), their mom being cured, the conflict with Primus(still weird to say when not referencing Transformers God), etc. Shepard has plenty of unresolved things as the galaxy is pretty jacked up. In fact he has far more unresolved issues due to how poorly the galaxy is set in most endings.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 17, 2021 18:44:50 GMT
First, wasn't referring to them but the Inquisitor. Second, no they aren't. Unlike Shepard, Ryder still has some business unresolved such as the Mysterious Benefactor (only they and SAM know of them), their mom being cured, the conflict with Primus(still weird to say when not referencing Transformers God), etc. Shepard has plenty of unresolved things as the galaxy is pretty jacked up. In fact he has far more unresolved issues due to how poorly the galaxy is set in most endings. What does Shepard have that's unresolved? And I mean specific to them, and not general things that apply to any possible protagonist.
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Post by ahglock on Jan 17, 2021 18:45:35 GMT
Yes, we get it. Because you can't think of something people would want to read, no one can. Oh you mean like the Fantastic Beasts series which is exactly the same story as the original book series but just down playing the nazi pure blood wizard superiority for the more general wizard superiority angle. Yet another dark wizard seeking power to take over the wizarding world and enforce their idea of superiority on all the non wizards because their ego demands it so. You know kind of like how Star Wars had a new Death Star, a new galactic scale war that fundamentally altered the balance of power in the galaxy with each new story. Before Disney got a hold of the IP pretty sure Luke in the span of 30 years stopped 3-4 death stars, Palatine twice, an ancient god like entity, an extra galactic threat that wiped out entire planets, saved and restored variations of the galactic Republic 4 times and killed his own nephew who went to the dark side after stopping said xenocidal extra galactic threat. Then haunted his great great great great grandson for a while until he to over threw an ancient sith that manged to take over the galaxy and rule with an iron fist.
And then Disney got a hold of the IP and basically just recreated the original trilogy with new characters and worse writing. And you will notice that The Mandalorian which has been well received by a lot of people. Even the ones that hate on movies 7-9 made the choice to stay the fuck away from Luke, Hans, Ray, Asoka, etc. At best they are given cameo roles simply to connect the story to the wider star wars galaxy. One of the best received Star Wars series since the Clone Wars created entirely new characters with an entirely new story and that was a massive hit.
Everything you bring up applies to anything they do with the mass effect series, it applies to a new protagonist, Ryder, Shepard all of them.
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Post by ahglock on Jan 17, 2021 18:47:06 GMT
Shepard has plenty of unresolved things as the galaxy is pretty jacked up. In fact he has far more unresolved issues due to how poorly the galaxy is set in most endings. What does Shepard have that's unresolved? And I mean specific to them, and not general things that apply to any possible protagonist. Being near dead is unresolved on a simple level, anything dealing with his relationships is unresolved. Ryder has nothing tied to him other than his mom, everything else can be handled by any protagonist as well.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 17, 2021 18:52:58 GMT
What does Shepard have that's unresolved? And I mean specific to them, and not general things that apply to any possible protagonist. Being near dead is unresolved on a simple level, anything dealing with his relationships is unresolved. Ryder has nothing tied to him other than his mom, everything else can be handled by any protagonist as well. Neither of those things you mentioned can drive a plot. Meanwhile Ryder has that. Again the Mysterious Benefactor, which while yes could be handled by anyone so far can't since Ryder is literally the only person that knows about their existence.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 17, 2021 18:56:28 GMT
I think this perfectly encapsulates the issue I have with dragging the same character around forever after having their saga and reaching its climax: fatigue. At some point, a character simply runs out of gas, and try as the writers might, they’ll just be working with fumes. I suspect people might regret getting what they want, assuming BioWare provides it. Are you actually making the point that people want more to see of Ryder, than Shepard, because Shepard had 2 more games? The Shepard that an entire community blew up over, the moment Bioware unceremoniously killed off a second time, in 2 games, vs. a Ryder that nobody cared about? Arguably, the public outcry over Ryder being abandoned and the franchise put on ice was virtually none. So I factually don't believe that the gaming public is "fatigued" of Shepard, but I do believe they are of Ryder. Yes, even after just one game. Just so that there’s no confusion, I think it’s safe to assume that I’m no longer including Ryder in this. BioWare’s shown its hand with its trailer, and I’m just working with the framework given so far, which does not seem to include anything Andromeda-related, so that ship has sailed. I’m simply talking about a completely new protagonist, unsaddled by any history from a trilogy-long series of choices, with a new roster of companions, and entirely new relationships to develop from top to bottom, with as few to no incessant callbacks to stuff they did a long time ago, including even the romance component I was sort of making fun of. If it were up to fans, we’d just stick with the same old lot forever in every single game in the franchise, but this is part of the reason why I feel fans should not be too strong an influence in the creative process either.
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