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Post by rewindbutton on Oct 5, 2021 8:25:08 GMT
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Post by rewindbutton on Oct 5, 2021 9:12:00 GMT
The good thing about Precision Boost Overdrive is that you can still keep all the power saving features of the CPU plus the extra boost clock. Exactly. using Precision Boost Overdrive and undervolting at the same time is the most ideal way to overclock a modern Ryzen system. This is the case, yes. Although I think that enabling PBO is enough for most.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Oct 6, 2021 7:21:48 GMT
There is better performance to be had without it and assuming direct control over it.
It really depends on the application. The good thing about Precision Boost Overdrive is that you can still keep all the power saving features of the CPU plus the extra boost clock. When you do the traditional overclocking on the Ryzen, all the cores are locked at the exact same speed. That means they will work great on heavily threaded tasks like rendering, but not so well for lightly threaded stuff like gaming. On top of that, your CPU is also constantly consuming a lot more power even at idle.
Yeah, it depends on the application. For most people, using Precision Boost Overdrive and undervolting at the same time is the most ideal way to overclock a modern Ryzen system. So if you under-volt and manually overclock it locks all cores to that clock? I do manual UC -without PBO or the Ryzen Master. I set the voltage in the BIOS but it never keeps -always goes straight to 1.350 in Windows.
So to limit the voltage I set the maximum for the CPU in the Windows power plan to 99% However as you go lower in percentage it lowers the maximum voltage the CPU uses and its clock -not to mention temperature. For every 5% its about a 100 Mhz off the core default clock speed.
Since the BIOS won't keep -its another way of under-volting that I can do. And boy is it a must... The damaged 3600 likes to boost and drop almost like its doing push ups....
Boost, stop. Boost, stop. Boost Boost Booooost stop. Boost stop. This method stops the boosting period. Which is a good thing since the 3600 stutters if the CPU boosts.
Maybe it looses some performance but no need to push this damaged CPU.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Oct 6, 2021 7:21:58 GMT
The good thing about Precision Boost Overdrive is that you can still keep all the power saving features of the CPU plus the extra boost clock. Exactly. using Precision Boost Overdrive and undervolting at the same time is the most ideal way to overclock a modern Ryzen system. This is the case, yes. Although I think that enabling PBO is enough for most. How much you think the above post degrades performance over stock?
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Oct 6, 2021 7:27:42 GMT
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Post by rewindbutton on Oct 6, 2021 9:31:55 GMT
manually overclock it locks all cores to that clock? This. You really don't want that, unless you have a specific application in mind. How much you think the above post degrades performance over stock?
I didn't have an answer to that, so I thought 'What the hell, I have a test bench set up and ready to rock!' The first line is where I had reset everything, except the power plan, which is custom. The second line is a balanced plan set by Windows and maximum CPU power set to 99%. The third line is the High Performance power plan and maximum CPU power set to 99%. So that balanced plan will ruin your day! Apart from that there's really no big difference.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Oct 6, 2021 10:06:36 GMT
So if you under-volt and manually overclock it locks all cores to that clock? I do manual UC -without PBO or the Ryzen Master. I set the voltage in the BIOS but it never keeps -always goes straight to 1.350 in Windows. So to limit the voltage I set the maximum for the CPU in the Windows power plan to 99% However as you go lower in percentage it lowers the maximum voltage the CPU uses and its clock -not to mention temperature. For every 5% its about a 100 Mhz off the core default clock speed. Since the BIOS won't keep -its another way of under-volting that I can do. And boy is it a must... The damaged 3600 likes to boost and drop almost like its doing push ups.... Boost, stop. Boost, stop. Boost Boost Booooost stop. Boost stop. This method stops the boosting period. Which is a good thing since the 3600 stutters if the CPU boosts.
Maybe it looses some performance but no need to push this damaged CPU. When you manually overclock, you lock all the cores at a specific speed. The key here is to find the right voltage so you get a stable overclock at that speed. Undervolting makes more sense when it's applied to CPU boost and not manual overclock. Modern CPU cores are designed to boost as long and as much as the thermal limit and power limit allow to. So when you have a very beefy cooling solution like a custom water loop, you can really take advantage of the extra processing power because now your CPU has a lot more thermal headroom to play with. Basically, just think of boost = dynamic auto overclock. Intel calls it Turbo Boost and AMD calls it Precision Boost. However, if you have smaller cooler such as in a laptop or small-form factor build, your CPU hits that thermal ceiling a lot sooner and also a lot more often. That means more thermal throttles. This is where undervolting can help you get that little bit of extra performance and more importantly, make it a lot more power efficient as well. By undervolting, you're essentially reducing the energy consumption of the CPU and also reducing heat without affecting the performance. When you manually overclock a CPU, you try to find the minimum voltage for a stable overclock. Similarly when you undervolt a CPU, you are finding the lowest voltage offset where your system remains 100% stable. Lower voltage means lower temperatures. Lower temperatures means more thermal headroom, and more thermal headroom means more performance through CPU boost. AMD's Precision Boost Overdrive takes the CPU boost algorithm to another level by increasing the system power budget beyond the stock specifications. Like CPU boost, it takes all the SoC info such as current, voltage, and temperature through an algorithm and dynamically adjusts the SoC power and VRM current on the fly. Keep in mind that it doesn't actually increase the boost clock speed but the extra power headroom allows more cores to have the opportunity to boost to that limit. (You may set it to go over the stock boost clock, but I believe it only allows a mere 200mhz overclock.) For Zen 3 Ryzen CPUs like the desktop Ryzen 5000 series, AMD has another tool called the Curve Optimizer for Precision Boost Overdrive. The Curve Optimizer is basically adaptive undervolting. So rather than applying a fixed reduced voltage offset across the whole low load and high load scenarios, Curve Optimizer takes in all the system information details such as workload, temperature, socket power availability, and puts them through an algorithm. It then calculates how much voltage can be reduced and it is done in a matter of one millisecond. That means it can do that 1000 times in a second. For a Ryzen 5000 CPU, Precision Boost Overdrive + undervolting through the Curve Optimizer is pretty much the easiest and the most efficient way to overclock. It is pretty much unbeatable. Also you shouldn't get any stutters from AMD's Precision Boost. If you do, there's something else wrong with your PC.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Oct 9, 2021 14:48:51 GMT
So if you under-volt and manually overclock it locks all cores to that clock? I do manual UC -without PBO or the Ryzen Master. I set the voltage in the BIOS but it never keeps -always goes straight to 1.350 in Windows. So to limit the voltage I set the maximum for the CPU in the Windows power plan to 99% However as you go lower in percentage it lowers the maximum voltage the CPU uses and its clock -not to mention temperature. For every 5% its about a 100 Mhz off the core default clock speed. Since the BIOS won't keep -its another way of under-volting that I can do. And boy is it a must... The damaged 3600 likes to boost and drop almost like its doing push ups.... Boost, stop. Boost, stop. Boost Boost Booooost stop. Boost stop. This method stops the boosting period. Which is a good thing since the 3600 stutters if the CPU boosts.
Maybe it looses some performance but no need to push this damaged CPU. When you manually overclock, you lock all the cores at a specific speed. The key here is to find the right voltage so you get a stable overclock at that speed. Undervolting makes more sense when it's applied to CPU boost and not manual overclock. Modern CPU cores are designed to boost as long and as much as the thermal limit and power limit allow to. So when you have a very beefy cooling solution like a custom water loop, you can really take advantage of the extra processing power because now your CPU has a lot more thermal headroom to play with. Basically, just think of boost = dynamic auto overclock. Intel calls it Turbo Boost and AMD calls it Precision Boost. However, if you have smaller cooler such as in a laptop or small-form factor build, your CPU hits that thermal ceiling a lot sooner and also a lot more often. That means more thermal throttles. This is where undervolting can help you get that little bit of extra performance and more importantly, make it a lot more power efficient as well. By undervolting, you're essentially reducing the energy consumption of the CPU and also reducing heat without affecting the performance. When you manually overclock a CPU, you try to find the minimum voltage for a stable overclock. Similarly when you undervolt a CPU, you are finding the lowest voltage offset where your system remains 100% stable. Lower voltage means lower temperatures. Lower temperatures means more thermal headroom, and more thermal headroom means more performance through CPU boost. AMD's Precision Boost Overdrive takes the CPU boost algorithm to another level by increasing the system power budget beyond the stock specifications. Like CPU boost, it takes all the SoC info such as current, voltage, and temperature through an algorithm and dynamically adjusts the SoC power and VRM current on the fly. Keep in mind that it doesn't actually increase the boost clock speed but the extra power headroom allows more cores to have the opportunity to boost to that limit. (You may set it to go over the stock boost clock, but I believe it only allows a mere 200mhz overclock.) For Zen 3 Ryzen CPUs like the desktop Ryzen 5000 series, AMD has another tool called the Curve Optimizer for Precision Boost Overdrive. The Curve Optimizer is basically adaptive undervolting. So rather than applying a fixed reduced voltage offset across the whole low load and high load scenarios, Curve Optimizer takes in all the system information details such as workload, temperature, socket power availability, and puts them through an algorithm. It then calculates how much voltage can be reduced and it is done in a matter of one millisecond. That means it can do that 1000 times in a second. For a Ryzen 5000 CPU, Precision Boost Overdrive + undervolting through the Curve Optimizer is pretty much the easiest and the most efficient way to overclock. It is pretty much unbeatable. Also you shouldn't get any stutters from AMD's Precision Boost. If you do, there's something else wrong with your PC. No kidding but all tests show no problems and I checked the RAM and the Motherboard with my diagnostic programs. So far no issues have been found what so ever... still...
NFS Heat and GR Wildlands -still jag. NOT GR Breakpoing -this is an overall downgrade IMO and the not the game of issue.
THIS is with the GPU not even running in a resolution higher than 1152x864 . I was thinking a bad PSU -but already took care of that and the same thing.
Don't know why but putting the power limit to 99% in the the plan makes it not jag. So to be safe I will still use the Power plan to limit with the damaged CPU -its has scared me twice I will not be a third time.
Instead of calling it a community PC -should probably call it the Bermuda Triangle PC -since its problems are always so weird.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Oct 9, 2021 14:49:05 GMT
manually overclock it locks all cores to that clock? This. You really don't want that, unless you have a specific application in mind. How much you think the above post degrades performance over stock?
I didn't have an answer to that, so I thought 'What the hell, I have a test bench set up and ready to rock!' The first line is where I had reset everything, except the power plan, which is custom. The second line is a balanced plan set by Windows and maximum CPU power set to 99%. The third line is the High Performance power plan and maximum CPU power set to 99%. So that balanced plan will ruin your day! Apart from that there's really no big difference. Ok...ok wait a minute... Welcome to weird-ville again. So putting the Power high performance as I have done actually improves the Cinebench score but tanks the SPY? And this is without PBO?
Still I know your OC beats this by at least 300-500 points I am going to say.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Oct 9, 2021 17:23:43 GMT
No kidding but all tests show no problems and I checked the RAM and the Motherboard with my diagnostic programs. So far no issues have been found what so ever... still... NFS Heat and GR Wildlands -still jag. NOT GR Breakpoing -this is an overall downgrade IMO and the not the game of issue.
THIS is with the GPU not even running in a resolution higher than 1152x864 . I was thinking a bad PSU -but already took care of that and the same thing. Don't know why but putting the power limit to 99% in the the plan makes it not jag. So to be safe I will still use the Power plan to limit with the damaged CPU -its has scared me twice I will not be a third time.
If you set the maximum processor state to 99%, you've essentially disabled Precision Boost. Did you get any stutters before your brother broke the CPU? Also, have you tried updating the AMD chipset drivers?
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Oct 9, 2021 17:56:55 GMT
No kidding but all tests show no problems and I checked the RAM and the Motherboard with my diagnostic programs. So far no issues have been found what so ever... still... NFS Heat and GR Wildlands -still jag. NOT GR Breakpoing -this is an overall downgrade IMO and the not the game of issue.
THIS is with the GPU not even running in a resolution higher than 1152x864 . I was thinking a bad PSU -but already took care of that and the same thing. Don't know why but putting the power limit to 99% in the the plan makes it not jag. So to be safe I will still use the Power plan to limit with the damaged CPU -its has scared me twice I will not be a third time.
If you set the maximum processor state to 99%, you've essentially disabled Precision Boost. Did you get any stutters before your brother broke the CPU? Also, have you tried updating the AMD chipset drivers? Soooo.... If I set it to 99 and enable PBO would that cause the system to hicup and lead to ai internal loop error? I doubt it.
Probably just more glitchy glitchyness.
No. Yes and it made it worse so rolled back.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Oct 9, 2021 18:41:35 GMT
Soooo.... If I set it to 99 and enable PBO would that cause the system to hicup and lead to ai internal loop error? I doubt it.
Probably just more glitchy glitchyness.
If Precision Boost is disabled with the 99% maximum processor state, Precision Boost Overdrive probably won't work at all even if you enable it in the BIOS. At this point, it seems like any kind of boost will do more harm than good. I guess there really is some permanent damage on the CPU and you just have to settle with the 3.6ghz base clock. It's such a shame because the Ryzen 3600 is a great CPU.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Oct 9, 2021 19:29:36 GMT
Soooo.... If I set it to 99 and enable PBO would that cause the system to hicup and lead to ai internal loop error? I doubt it.
Probably just more glitchy glitchyness.
If Precision Boost is disabled with the 99% maximum processor state, Precision Boost Overdrive probably won't work at all even if you enable it in the BIOS. At this point, it seems like any kind of boost will do more harm than good. I guess there really is some permanent damage on the CPU and you just have to settle with the 3.6ghz base clock. It's such a shame because the Ryzen 3600 is a great CPU. Yeah it works without jagging by disabling the boost. Only when it would boost would it jag. Sometimes even at 99 it may stutter a bit so I have put it to 95% and now jag and stutter free... Even if it now shows clock speed of 3.4Ghz... At least it runs smooth.
Case in point: Don't get damaged pins on Ryzen just a FYI.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Oct 10, 2021 14:36:44 GMT
I've been thinking about upgrading my PC's audio package either by purchasing new speakers (currently I am using the BOSE Companion 2 Series 1 desktop speakers) and I have noticed that for a lot of movies I have to crank up the volume (though that is more than likely due to the channel mixing being tuned for Surround Sound rather than 2.0 stereo sound)....But I do find I am missing a lot without subtitles (though that is also due to my hearing loss)
But I am just looking for richer sound over all and I have heard good things about the Z633s from Logitech. Alternatively, I am toying with the purchase of adding a dedicated sound card like the NU Audio card from EVGA.
The cheaper, less expensive option would be the speakers....but I am HoH with constant Tinnitus (and a fluctuating hearing loss of 60db + ) so I doubt even that will make a perceivible difference to my hear that I can clearly hear and then (internally) justify "it was worth the money because things now sound much better"
Thoughts?
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Post by bmwcrazy on Oct 11, 2021 19:03:09 GMT
(though that is more than likely due to the channel mixing being tuned for Surround Sound rather than 2.0 stereo sound) If you really want the Logitech Z633, you should just get them already. They're only like $90-$100 USD. However, getting new speakers or a new sound card probably won't magically fix your low dialogue volume issues. That's something that you have to tinker with the Windows speakers setup tool and the movie playback app that you use to downmix 5.1 channels into stereo. For example, I still use CCCP for video playback. LAV handles all the audio decoding in CCCP and it also handles all the audio mixings including 5.1 to stereo downmixing. I can simply turn up the center mix channel to increase the dialogue volume with LAV. If you use a different video playback app, you just need to figure that out yourself. If none of these fixes works, you may try normalizing the sound volume. Windows 10 also has a built-in loudness equalization tool that you can use. If you don't see that option, you can probably find it in your sound card/onboard audio software. They usually have custom tools that can tackle these issues. For my Sound Blaster AE-7, it has something called "Dialog+" to boost the dialogue volume and "Smart Vol" to normalize sound volume. So buy the speakers because it seems like you really want them. As for the sound card, I say save your money unless you're 100% sure that it can fix the low dialogue volume issues.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Oct 12, 2021 3:20:06 GMT
I've been thinking about upgrading my PC's audio package either by purchasing new speakers (currently I am using the BOSE Companion 2 Series 1 desktop speakers) and I have noticed that for a lot of movies I have to crank up the volume (though that is more than likely due to the channel mixing being tuned for Surround Sound rather than 2.0 stereo sound)....But I do find I am missing a lot without subtitles (though that is also due to my hearing loss) But I am just looking for richer sound over all and I have heard good things about the Z633s from Logitech. Alternatively, I am toying with the purchase of adding a dedicated sound card like the NU Audio card from EVGA. The cheaper, less expensive option would be the speakers....but I am HoH with constant Tinnitus (and a fluctuating hearing loss of 60db + ) so I doubt even that will make a perceivible difference to my hear that I can clearly hear and then (internally) justify "it was worth the money because things now sound much better" Thoughts? Adding on top of bmwcrazy thoughts -which I would heed: Before you spend money on a sound system I would try the program of VLC or MPC-BE x64 for video and audio. Both have built in audio boosting: Both can boost in excess of 300% over max suppossedly. I personally use VLC for videos and MPC-BE x64 for audio.
Though you can probably use interchangeably it just seems that is what they boost the best.
Though then again what do I know...? I am just a pathetic audiophile who likes my sound to sound better than when it was first made...
No still haven't gotten around to converting to ACC from MP3... kinda hard with 8-10 Gigs of music alone. These are the only two programs I have ever needed for low sound...
Well that and better speakers -since 2.0 couldn't keep up.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Oct 12, 2021 3:30:10 GMT
I've been thinking about upgrading my PC's audio package either by purchasing new speakers (currently I am using the BOSE Companion 2 Series 1 desktop speakers) and I have noticed that for a lot of movies I have to crank up the volume (though that is more than likely due to the channel mixing being tuned for Surround Sound rather than 2.0 stereo sound)....But I do find I am missing a lot without subtitles (though that is also due to my hearing loss) But I am just looking for richer sound over all and I have heard good things about the Z633s from Logitech. Alternatively, I am toying with the purchase of adding a dedicated sound card like the NU Audio card from EVGA. The cheaper, less expensive option would be the speakers....but I am HoH with constant Tinnitus (and a fluctuating hearing loss of 60db + ) so I doubt even that will make a perceivible difference to my hear that I can clearly hear and then (internally) justify "it was worth the money because things now sound much better" Thoughts? BONUS: Another reason: VLC for Movies:
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Post by bmwcrazy on Oct 12, 2021 3:40:15 GMT
You've finally posted the right video. In this case, the right video for normalizing volume in VLC. You can pretty much ignore the first two videos that you've posted before. Haha. I can simply turn up the center mix channel to increase the dialogue volume with LAV. If you use a different video playback app, you just need to figure that out yourself.So if your movie playback app is VLC, this is how you normalize the volume with its built-in dynamic range compression. (For Energizer Bunny 211: Just make sure you change VLC's audio output to stereo instead of 5.1 first.) If you just want to change the center mix channel volume, there should also be an option for it in VLC. I don't use VLC. So yeah, gotta figure that out yourself as well.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Oct 12, 2021 4:31:53 GMT
You've finally posted the right video. In this case, the right video for normalizing volume in VLC. You can pretty much ignore the first two videos that you've posted before. Haha. I can simply turn up the center mix channel to increase the dialogue volume with LAV. If you use a different video playback app, you just need to figure that out yourself.So if your movie playback app is VLC, this is how you normalize the volume with its built-in dynamic range compression. (For Energizer Bunny 211: Just make sure you change VLC's audio output to stereo instead of 5.1 first.) If you just want to change the center mix channel volume, there should also be an option for it in VLC. I don't use VLC. So yeah, gotta figure that out yourself as well. It should always be the first step to bump up the db before using the latter program video. Especially with someone who isn't hearing all that well. The first videos will help boost the audio and THEN the second will help in the areas where sound is still need -if needed.
The first two videos show where to up the dB in each program -if your speakers can handle it.
I would recommend always do that first before getting speakers for $$$.
You can max out your speakers in Windows then go into the those areas and bump the db up a great amount. Here is what I mean in action: You should be able to hear the difference very well... However if you can't... Credit me worried.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Oct 12, 2021 4:34:06 GMT
You've finally posted the right video. In this case, the right video for normalizing volume in VLC. You can pretty much ignore the first two videos that you've posted before. Haha. I can simply turn up the center mix channel to increase the dialogue volume with LAV. If you use a different video playback app, you just need to figure that out yourself.So if your movie playback app is VLC, this is how you normalize the volume with its built-in dynamic range compression. (For Energizer Bunny 211: Just make sure you change VLC's audio output to stereo instead of 5.1 first.) If you just want to change the center mix channel volume, there should also be an option for it in VLC. I don't use VLC. So yeah, gotta figure that out yourself as well. If not VLC or MPC-BE x64 then what?
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Post by bmwcrazy on Oct 12, 2021 5:45:07 GMT
It should always be the first step to bump up the db before using the latter program video. Especially with someone who isn't hearing all that well. His main problem is that he can't hear the dialogues in movies too well. So I'd try to boost the center channel first or normalize the entire sound volume. That way you don't get very quiet dialogues and very loud action scenes that can blow out your eardrums. That's why this should be the priority. Once the audio has been normalized and he can hear the dialogues more clearly, then he can work on boosting the entire audio channels or just simply turn up the volume.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Oct 12, 2021 6:08:41 GMT
If not VLC or MPC-BE x64 then what? I mentioned it already. I use CCCP. Let me quote myself from another thread. For those who aren't familiar, CCCP is basically a filter pack for video playbacks. It is basically Media Player Classic with LAV filters for audio and video decoding, LAV splitter to open media containers (like MKV, AVI, OGM, MP4, etc.), and VSFilter for the subtitles. Compared to VLC which does pretty much everything by itself, CCCP can be a bit confusing to most people. CCCP comes with MPC-HC, but I've since replaced it with MPC-BE. However, I'm not using any of MPC's internal video or audio filters because CCCP already comes with LAV which is much better. LAV does all the decoding and mixing. For subtitles, it uses VSFilter instead of MPC's built-in subtitles. CCCP seems to have stopped updating for quite a while. So in the future, I'll just get MPC-BE, disable all its internal filters, and then get all the external filters separately. If you don't know what those things are, just stick with VLC. It's much more user friendly.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Oct 12, 2021 7:23:33 GMT
It should always be the first step to bump up the db before using the latter program video. Especially with someone who isn't hearing all that well. His main problem is that he can't hear the dialogues in movies too well. So I'd try to boost the center channel first or normalize the entire sound volume. That way you don't get very quiet dialogues and very loud action scenes that can blow out your eardrums. That's why this should be the priority. Once the audio has been normalized and he can hear the dialogues more clearly, then he can work on boosting the entire audio channels or just simply turn up the volume. If we were talking 2.1 or even 5.1... I would agree with you but he is still on 2 speakers.
And as far as I know they don't come with a "true" center channel. Most if not all software that I have used does a horrible job trying to virtually create a center channel.
More often than not it can lead to a muted channel.
Even if the Volume was turned up to 11 it would still be a 0 or 1 -even with maxed volume.
Best option is to remix back to stereo then bump the sound across both speakers then tweak the dialogues.
Or if that isn't an option go for true 5.1 surround sound speakers -this can lead into expensive range of $$$.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Oct 12, 2021 7:23:47 GMT
If not VLC or MPC-BE x64 then what? I mentioned it already. I use CCCP. Let me quote myself from another thread. For those who aren't familiar, CCCP is basically a filter pack for video playbacks. It is basically Media Player Classic with LAV filters for audio and video decoding, LAV splitter to open media containers (like MKV, AVI, OGM, MP4, etc.), and VSFilter for the subtitles. Compared to VLC which does pretty much everything by itself, CCCP can be a bit confusing to most people. CCCP comes with MPC-HC, but I've since replaced it with MPC-BE. However, I'm not using any of MPC's internal video or audio filters because CCCP already comes with LAV which is much better. LAV does all the decoding and mixing. For subtitles, it uses VSFilter instead of MPC's built-in subtitles. CCCP seems to have stopped updating for quite a while. So in the future, I'll just get MPC-BE, disable all its internal filters, and then get all the external filters separately. If you don't know what those things are, just stick with VLC. It's much more user friendly. So its this -noted. Codecs are nothing without a good player.
I force Haali, Gabest & Xvid for video. I also force: AC3Filter, AC3ACM, Vorbis & LAME codecs for audio...
More than likely your going to say this is basically CCCP -or not.
That codec pack for some reason will not install successfully on my computer.
Gets about 2/3rds the way then undoes what it was doing.
Probably because I don't update the players I don't need that update crap even from media players.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Oct 12, 2021 7:59:58 GMT
If we were talking 2.1 or even 5.1... I would agree with you but he is still on 2 speakers. And as far as I know they don't come with a "true" center channel. Most if not all software that I have used does a horrible job trying to virtually create a center channel. More often than not it can lead to a muted channel.
Even if the Volume was turned up to 11 it would still be a 0 or 1 -even with maxed volume. Best option is to remix back to stereo then bump the sound across both speakers then tweak the dialogues.
Or if that isn't an option go for true 5.1 surround sound speakers -this can lead into expensive range of $$$.
2.1 is just stereo. It's two channels. 2.0 and 2.1 are the exact same thing. We are not talking about virtually creating a center channel either. The center channel in a movies or a video game with 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound is where most you get the most dialogue audio and yes, it's a very "true" center channel. That's what I'm trying to boost that specific audio channel. Look up 5.1/7.1 surround and see how they work. Almost all movies and modern video games support it. They all have a dedicated audio track for the center channel and that channel is frequently used for dialogue enhancement. When you downmix 5.1/7.1 surround sound into stereo for your stereo or 2.1 speakers, you have to mix the center channel audio source into the stereo output. If the software/hardware does a very bad job at downmixing, you'll end up with dialogues that are too loud or too quiet. That's why I pointed out the center mix channel bar in the LAV settings. For example, I still use CCCP for video playback. LAV handles all the audio decoding in CCCP and it also handles all the audio mixings including 5.1 to stereo downmixing. I can simply turn up the center mix channel to increase the dialogue volume with LAV. If you use a different video playback app, you just need to figure that out yourself. If you use LAV to downmix 5.1/7.1 audio into stereo (yes, that also means 2.1) and you find the dialogue volume a bit too low, you can simply use that slider to fix it. Get it?
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