No need to apologize; I often try to find affordable alternatives to products. But it requires a lot of research and is very time consuming. And at times you just have to bite the bullet.
I never bite the bullet I just chop it up and serve it in a cup of milk.
Its no worse than those throw-away cameras from my childhood isn't?
Those were actually pretty good. And they worked, unlike some of the crap that's around these days.
I will give them a go then. If it works it works if it doesn't I will get some throw away cameras... I am sure some gas station may have one on iconic display.
Things got put off a month -though... I went and rebuilt my brothers computer into this design and realized the way to do it to make it cool way down:
The side panel along with whatever air passes behind the GPU will still be pulled out the back. The Sealed panel seems to short out motherboard connections and create heat zone -guess dead air? As such the hot back wash air cooking the CPU up by 5*C and GPU by 4*C over the config of an open air bench with a cover. I know its not much of a temperature differential but... If I can perfect this -I think I will be able to run a system into low double digit Celsius -on air. Maybe even get it to get into single digit in winter time.
I'm just guessing here, but try disconnecting the 3000RPM bottom fan. I'm thinking, that that placement will cause turbulance. Or swap it to the front, where you have that 1800RPM fan.
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I'm just guessing here, but try disconnecting the 3000RPM bottom fan. I'm thinking, that that placement will cause turbulance. Or swap it to the front, where you have that 1800RPM fan.
Outside aerial? Do you mean the I\O Plate? I mean the computer would not turn on with the sealed panel inside. It was as if some part of the panel was touching the actual motherboard.
No. The older layout with the sealed panel was causing the heat zone. The above is the new method that should work better.
The system as it was didn't have the 3000RPM running it will have by the end of this week... I was going for some industrial Noctua but they would take till JUNE to arrive so got one of these: Its $7 cheaper than the Noctua Industrial but is still 3000RPM and will probably be here by the end of the week. So testing can then begin but I still believe the above will work better.
I mean the computer would not turn on with the sealed panel inside. It was as if some part of the panel was touching the actual motherboard.
I read it and understood it and just couldn't believe it. That is pretty weird, a grounding issue perhaps?
Yeah that was my thinking as well just... no real proof. And when you have been electrocuted in the past -just partially though... Its better to say nope and move on:
Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on May 7, 2022 12:00:38 GMT
I've always been curious as to why horizontally mounted (traditionally mounted) GPUs are mounted with their fans facing downwards (especially if you have a PSU where its fan faces upwards towards the GPU) because then all you're doing is created a stationary bubble of warm/hot air.
I've always thought it would be better if the GPU was mounted so that its fans faced upwards....That way the air/heat that its fans expell could be pushed or sucked out by either the rear exhaust or your top-mounted radiator. Most GPU fans push heat out, rather than pulling cooler air in, at least as far as I can tell. And (at least on my H500M from CoolerMaster) the HUGE dual 200x200mm front Intake fans that are pulling in cold air could help circulate the warmer air that is generated by the GPU and exhaust it out the back with the help of the rear 140mm.
Unless I'm thinking about this all wrong...
"In all things seek wisdom, test knowledge and apply patience"- Jedi Master Onia Zshellnia, The Zoland Chronicles c.1996-Present
Part of the problem is, that the ATX standard is over 25 years old. Processors used to produce maybe 15 Watts of heat back then, so they didn't need fans. And graphics cards, well they were 2D only.
Fans are an afterthought, and the aging standard just can't accommodate efficient cooling for today's needs. That said, the more your case resembles a wind tunnel, the better. Also, AIOs and water cooling alleviate the problem quite a bit.
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I've always been curious as to why horizontally mounted (traditionally mounted) GPUs are mounted with their fans facing downwards (especially if you have a PSU where its fan faces upwards towards the GPU) because then all you're doing is created a stationary bubble of warm/hot air.
I've always thought it would be better if the GPU was mounted so that its fans faced upwards....That way the air/heat that its fans expell could be pushed or sucked out by either the rear exhaust or your top-mounted radiator. Most GPU fans push heat out, rather than pulling cooler air in, at least as far as I can tell. And (at least on my H500M from CoolerMaster) the HUGE dual 200x200mm front Intake fans that are pulling in cold air could help circulate the warmer air that is generated by the GPU and exhaust it out the back with the help of the rear 140mm.
Unless I'm thinking about this all wrong...
My Lian Li O11 XL has fans on the bottom of the case that pull cool air straight into the GPU.
The new O11 Evo also has the option to mount the motherboard upside-down. The idea of flipping the motherboard has been around for quite a while since the BTX concept. It's an interesting idea but in practice, it doesn't make that much of a difference.
Plus nowadays, most PC cases have top mounted exhaust fans/AIO cooler and a lot of the newer video cards have passthrough cooling. So if you have those, it probably makes more sense to mount the motherboard normally instead of flipping it upside-down. Not my pic, but you get the idea.
I've always been curious as to why horizontally mounted (traditionally mounted) GPUs are mounted with their fans facing downwards (especially if you have a PSU where its fan faces upwards towards the GPU) because then all you're doing is created a stationary bubble of warm/hot air.
I've always thought it would be better if the GPU was mounted so that its fans faced upwards....That way the air/heat that its fans expell could be pushed or sucked out by either the rear exhaust or your top-mounted radiator. Most GPU fans push heat out, rather than pulling cooler air in, at least as far as I can tell. And (at least on my H500M from CoolerMaster) the HUGE dual 200x200mm front Intake fans that are pulling in cold air could help circulate the warmer air that is generated by the GPU and exhaust it out the back with the help of the rear 140mm.
Unless I'm thinking about this all wrong...
My Lian Li O11 XL has fans on the bottom of the case that pull cool air straight into the GPU.
The new O11 Evo also has the option to mount the motherboard upside-down. The idea of flipping the motherboard has been around for quite a while since the BTX concept. It's an interesting idea but in practice, it doesn't make that much of a difference.
Plus nowadays, most PC cases have top mounted exhaust fans/AIO cooler and a lot of the newer video cards have passthrough cooling. So if you have those, it probably makes more sense to mount the motherboard normally instead of flipping it upside-down. Not my pic, but you get the idea.
Similar to my rig … but the intake fans on the bottom in the picture … are on the front for me. The bottom is a two level deck, with the PSU drawing air in from the bottom and the SATA backup SSDs living in that space. The top deck, with the mobo, has the CPU cooler radiator on the side … those fans are 120mm, the rest of the exhaust fans are 140mm (top and back) as are the three intake fans on the front. As you say, whirlwind. And it works.
WRT the GPU being upside down, my sister had a computer configured that way … twice I had to replace the GPU because the fan was a dust magnet and eventually failed from the buildup (I could never convince her to blow out the dust once a month). I do dust detail once a month, though my new rig has some pretty decent dust screens at every entry point and so far the dust buildup inside the case is minimal. Regardless, based on my experience with my sister's rig, I prefer the fans to face down.
OBTW, my PSU reverses the fan direction for 10 seconds on each startup before reverting back to being an intake fan. It's supposed to be a method of blowing dust off the blades and preventing buildup. Even though there is a dust screen on the bottom protecting the PSU fan, I plan to tip the case over and clean the dust screen once a quarter (my rig is new, so have only done that once so far … depending on the buildup, I will adjust the frequency).
Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on May 7, 2022 22:47:34 GMT
Metro Exodus Was Benchmarking at 59/60*C. Now it hits 51/52*C So 8/10*C CONFIRMED. CPU went down 10/15*C Furmark again hit 58/9*C but now stays 53*C -to be expected pushes GPU more i think.
So this is the method I believe i will use for the new system.
Part of the problem is, that the ATX standard is over 25 years old. Processors used to produce maybe 15 Watts of heat back then, so they didn't need fans. And graphics cards, well they were 2D only.
Fans are an afterthought, and the aging standard just can'taccommodate efficient cooling for today's needs. That said, the more your case resembles a wind tunnel, the better. Also, AIOs and water cooling alleviate the problem quite a bit.
Don't say can't for I will find a way to make cooling on air work. As I have described above.
Part of the problem is, that the ATX standard is over 25 years old. Processors used to produce maybe 15 Watts of heat back then, so they didn't need fans. And graphics cards, well they were 2D only.
Fans are an afterthought, and the aging standard just can't accommodate efficient cooling for today's needs. That said, the more your case resembles a wind tunnel, the better. Also, AIOs and water cooling alleviate the problem quite a bit.
The reason for the GPU fans facing the way they do in my opinion: ATX antique-ness. It could be due to the fact that the majority of computers used to lay on their side. GPU fans in these cases usually were right at the chassis wall with metal mesh. The fans expelled the air right out the vent mesh of the case. Like some cases in the Dell Optiplex line.
