End of Year PC Build

The 4090s are already at Canada Computers and they're already sold right out! ASUS, MSI and Gigabyte are the only brands now....and Gigabyte is the least expensive coming in at 2150.00 CAD. ASUS is the most outrageous coming in at just below 2800.00 But Nvidia said "high priced GPUs are here to stay". Looks like they were right.

Also....the 1300 series of Intel CPUs are also seen at Canada Computers but not ready for sale for another three weeks.  It is also likely that a new Z700 series chipset will be featured on new motherboards to be released in the coming months.

I kinda feel sorry for everyone who just bought a 1200 series compatible system.....when very soon the 1300/Z790 hardware will be out for the same prices!   And let's not forget the 40 series of GPUs.   Man, the PC Tech market is flooding!     If all this NEW-new stuff hits the market when they haven't even sold the 30 series and enough of the 1200 CPUs and Z690s to make back their money and plus a little profit.....soon enough, they will have to drop prices BIG TIME, because they won't be able to sell enough of anything when 1) the prices are so studpidly high....and 2) the prices for the 1200 series and 1300 series are so close.   Why buy a 1200 series compatible system that is already approaching 2 years old when the absolute newest 1300 series CPU is the same price?

Somethin's gotta give....

Yeah.
People.
They will give their money to Nvidia if they don't educate themselves first.
Jay pretty much sums up Jensens' plan:

It sounds like Jensen liked the Pandemic prices among other things.

IF no one buys -or not enough do-then they may drop but I doubt so otherwise.
I find his statement: "High prices here to stay" not only laughable but down right comical.
Jensen is still in Pandemic mode and is to egotistical and arrogant to admit his company's hubris and bring prices down.

Linus also sheds light that the whole graphics card should not be that expensive...
Unless the PCB is made of gold in my opinion:

Does it have a HEMI in it? I am glad that I no longer see PC building as a hobby and only as something I do when I really need to.

I cannot see purchasing a new GPU for at least 5 years, and when I do then I suppose if I have to upgrade my PSU then I will... but realistically, I don't see why I would need to upgrade anytime soon... for anything.

The performance of these new things is incremental. The leaps just aren't there anymore, and haven't been for a long time. People talk about what a leap forward the 10 series was for Nvidia, but to me even that hype was overblown.

I use computers, every day, for like almost 40 years now. I used to be amazed by the improvements, but it was because we could actually see them. Lara Croft's face is a good simple example of that - we aren't going to get a whole lot more verisimilitude than where we are currently, beyond how we capture and animate. The raw fidelity is already photorealistic.

So, when I think about power guzzling GPUs in a never ending arms race to be an uberchad, I immediately think about undervolting and am happy with my 1440p. I am not saying you should be satisfied with your PC, but I am satisfied with mine and don't believe the hype things just aren't improving that much anymore to be worth the e-waste and money pit chasing this dream will cost. This is a seismic shift for me, and I don't expect it to be popular here but it is what I feel.

I went from an i7 4790K and GTX 1080 to a Ryzen 5950X and RTX 3090. Gaming performance wise, it definitely more than doubled for newer titles like Cyberpunk 2077 and Flight Sim 2020.

I also play games mainly on a 1440p 144hz monitor with the framerate capped at 142 FPS, so most of the older games feel more or less the same. The main difference is that I can pretty much max out all graphics settings (as silly as it is) without experiencing much performance drop.

So it all depends on what games you play and what you use your PC for. If you use games that heavily utilize ray-tracing as the performance yardstick, you'll end up spending thousands of dollars on a system with an RTX 4090. If you don't care about ray-tracing or being able to play the latest titles with high graphics settings, you'll be perfectly happy with a much reasonable priced PC or even your current PC.

In the end, there are always people like me who are excited for new tech and buying new toys. As powerful as the RTX 3090 is, I still wish for more ray-tracing performance because that's what I built my PC for. My principle is very simple, if it's twice as fast given the same price, I'll buy it. Let's see how the RTX 4090 fares and whether or not it deserves my hard-earned money.

We all were, because they were amazing.Like I said in my previous post, energy is getting expensive over here. Upgrading won't be an option for some time.Just the face, huh?

Monitor limitation?

I was overdue for a new machine. i7 3820/970 was no longer a strong swimmer even on my old 1050p monitor. 5600/3070 is a good balance for me, can be undervolted and not suffer massive performance loss, run cooler etc.

I am still very enthusiastic about new technology. Just haven't seen any in a long time, and the "gains" we are seeing now is more marketing balderdash than it is real. I am waiting for Nvidia to pull a BMW and only sell one GPU, and then you can unlock as much of it as you can afford to pay on subscription.

Heated Seat subscription, this is where they would like to take the gaming industry. That is crazy.

What I am specifically talking about is RAM speed. It isn't faster, having more doesn't matter, unless you are using software tailored to juice it. So much of the computing experience is no longer based solely on what your machine can do, that unless you need a supercomputer because you do supercomputer things.... I just don't feel the improvement in my new PC except that it can play CP2077 decently well at 1440p and the old one could barely chug along at 1050.

My post was in no way trying to piss on this thread or on the hobby, more pissing on the manufacturers and their broken model. We cannot sustain this level of silicon waste, and we haven't got a great replacement for it.

Noctua NF-S12B redux as radiator fans or case fans or both?

Good choice! I'm liking my 5600/3060 quite a lot. And custom loop is the way forward, for me at least.
Subs are a big no-no for me, definitely not buying what they are selling.
We should find a horse or two to do the pissing. Would make me feel better at least.