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^I saw it. Let's just say, that I've used fans that big way before it was cool. Yes, a bad pun.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2022 16:35:59 GMT
Reading more about the GPU power hunger last night.... I don't believe this hype. There is something very stupid going on in PC hardware right now, and it is driven by idiots that frankly should never have been allowed near a computer. Normies have become the common computer user now, and that has broken everything. If you look at how technology is supposed to help us, and then see that it in most cases is adding layers of abstraction and tedium to a process that didn't need those things, you will understand the grand picture. We are now on the dark side of technology, where the obvious answer to how to get a more "powerful" computer is obvious, duh - "YOU NEED MORE POWER!!!!11!" No, no we don't. Moore's Law didn't say we would need a more power-hungry GPU, and even though Moore's "Law" was always Moore's Lie, Moore was right about the direction power consumption was heading. Seeing new GPUs suck down more power than my entire homelab, for a 10% gain over my gaming PC GPU that sucks just 300w? That is hilarious, no I am not interested, and please try harder.
So, the nu-HTPC build is taking further shape, understanding where all of this is trying to go. I will find a good deal on a 10th/11th gen i5 and motherboard, and the best $300 gpu I can find that isn't green. Need mobo, CPU, GPU and ram, everything else can carry over. Hopefully I can find a used office PC that fits this build and gut it.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Oct 10, 2022 19:16:42 GMT
Reading more about the GPU power hunger last night.... I don't believe this hype. There is something very stupid going on in PC hardware right now, and it is driven by idiots that frankly should never have been allowed near a computer. Normies have become the common computer user now, and that has broken everything. If you look at how technology is supposed to help us, and then see that it in most cases is adding layers of abstraction and tedium to a process that didn't need those things, you will understand the grand picture. We are now on the dark side of technology, where the obvious answer to how to get a more "powerful" computer is obvious, duh - "YOU NEED MORE POWER!!!!11!"No, no we don't. Moore's Law didn't say we would need a more power-hungry GPU, and even though Moore's "Law" was always Moore's Lie, Moore was right about the direction power consumption was heading. Seeing new GPUs suck down more power than my entire homelab, for a 10% gain over my gaming PC GPU that sucks just 300w? That is hilarious, no I am not interested, and please try harder.
So, the nu-HTPC build is taking further shape, understanding where all of this is trying to go. I will find a good deal on a 10th/11th gen i5 and motherboard, and the best $300 gpu I can find that isn't green. Need mobo, CPU, GPU and ram, everything else can carry over. Hopefully I can find a used office PC that fits this build and gut it.
Yep and AMD is on the power bandwagon too it seems:
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Oct 10, 2022 19:28:09 GMT
Reading more about the GPU power hunger last night.... I don't believe this hype. There is something very stupid going on in PC hardware right now, and it is driven by idiots that frankly should never have been allowed near a computer. Normies have become the common computer user now, and that has broken everything. If you look at how technology is supposed to help us, and then see that it in most cases is adding layers of abstraction and tedium to a process that didn't need those things, you will understand the grand picture. We are now on the dark side of technology, where the obvious answer to how to get a more "powerful" computer is obvious, duh - "YOU NEED MORE POWER!!!!11!" No, no we don't. Moore's Law didn't say we would need a more power-hungry GPU, and even though Moore's "Law" was always Moore's Lie, Moore was right about the direction power consumption was heading. Seeing new GPUs suck down more power than my entire homelab, for a 10% gain over my gaming PC GPU that sucks just 300w? That is hilarious, no I am not interested, and please try harder.
So, the nu-HTPC build is taking further shape, understanding where all of this is trying to go. I will find a good deal on a 10th/11th gen i5 and motherboard, and the best $300 gpu I can find that isn't green. Need mobo, CPU, GPU and ram, everything else can carry over. Hopefully I can find a used office PC that fits this build and gut it.
We will not being seeing a CPU that does the same level performance of the 7950X but only runs at 1.000 volts that hits 5.5 Ghz and pulls 65 watts. .. At least not from AMD or INTEL -especially with these kinds end-gaps and one-up-man-ship being played. Which is kind of depressing since they no longer are trying to innovate but just build off what already exists and that is always an end road. Chiplet design was an interesting take AMD did but after the second generation when I saw the design was the same layout I realized its over.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Oct 10, 2022 19:34:16 GMT
Reading more about the GPU power hunger last night.... I don't believe this hype. There is something very stupid going on in PC hardware right now, and it is driven by idiots that frankly should never have been allowed near a computer.
Normies have become the common computer user now, and that has broken everything. If you look at how technology is supposed to help us, and then see that it in most cases is adding layers of abstraction and tedium to a process that didn't need those things, you will understand the grand picture. We are now on the dark side of technology, where the obvious answer to how to get a more "powerful" computer is obvious, duh - "YOU NEED MORE POWER!!!!11!" No, no we don't. Moore's Law didn't say we would need a more power-hungry GPU, and even though Moore's "Law" was always Moore's Lie, Moore was right about the direction power consumption was heading. Seeing new GPUs suck down more power than my entire homelab, for a 10% gain over my gaming PC GPU that sucks just 300w? That is hilarious, no I am not interested, and please try harder.
So, the nu-HTPC build is taking further shape, understanding where all of this is trying to go. I will find a good deal on a 10th/11th gen i5 and motherboard, and the best $300 gpu I can find that isn't green. Need mobo, CPU, GPU and ram, everything else can carry over. Hopefully I can find a used office PC that fits this build and gut it.
AMD have not changed "physical" CPU design since Ryzen 3000... Sure under the hood: Chiplets, Cache ect.... Just different amounts and but same locations... NOTE: Have not looked at 7000's sub-straight yet but doubt its much different. INTEL's worse though been a hurtle to even go sub 10 nano meter for what 5 years now? Really can't innovate but under new leadership I will let that slide for a year or so. Of course its the law: "If it ain't broke don't fix it" but that is the safe zone no risk taking. AMD has or is about to fall into the dreaded stagnation trap: INTEL's CPU chips are still 10 NM last i checked. AMD is already working on 5 NM -so once AMD can't go smaller and can't get anymore performance... INTEL still will have the head room to beat them bar none. And that is coming from someone who has had disdain INTEL and their CPU's for decades... IF they want to really allow people get creative... Let people send in CPU designs and the best performer could exceed even their own margins. Sure though they would need to give a crash course on do's and don'ts of designing. Of course they would never do this -not in this day and age. Does this sound ridiculous? Yeah sure but its better than this end run that hard ware manufactures are heading toward. Though some have bigger head room than others... Unless they all venture toward Quantum computers then we can all have superhero computers: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/88/AllNewAtom.jpg
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Post by bmwcrazy on Oct 11, 2022 16:37:38 GMT
Seeing new GPUs suck down more power than my entire homelab, for a 10% gain over my gaming PC GPU that sucks just 300w? That is hilarious, no I am not interested, and please try harder. My RTX 3090 uses about 380 watts on average in games like CP2077. I don't know which 300-watt GPU you have, but I can assure you the performance difference is more than 10%. Speaking of power hungry GPUs, here's the RTX 4090. Surprisingly it draws less power than the 3090 Ti and in a few cases, it almost delivers double the performance of the 3090 Ti. Time for me to upgrade? Let's wait for the RDNA3/RX 7000.
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Post by rewindbutton on Oct 13, 2022 12:53:07 GMT
I've changed my mind: that is a beautiful piece of engineering. it draws less power than the 3090 Ti But is does draw a lot, 300-400W in most cases, and about 520W in extreme cases. But then there's this: almost delivers double the performance of the 3090 Ti It's crazy fast. And while it may be nowhere near my price range, now I want one. Just to marvel at it; It's no mean feat to make that sucker actually work and run cool. It just might be. I mean I would if I had the money. I'm fairly certain that the cheaper versions of the 40-series are going to be pretty good too.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Oct 13, 2022 15:14:44 GMT
But is does draw a lot, 300-400W in most cases, and about 520W in extreme cases. The Founders Edition seems to be pretty efficient already. 300-400 watts is basically the equivalent of my 3090 FTW3 Ultra, though my card's transient load "only" spikes to 420 watts. It's good to know that I'll be able to drop a 4090 into my current rig without any modification. I still wish its rasterization performance would be better. As amazing as the DLSS 3.0 is, its optical multi frame generation also produces more latency and graphics artifacts. So I think a lot of 40-series owners will end up using DLSS but keeping the frame generation option disabled instead.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Oct 13, 2022 23:12:26 GMT
But is does draw a lot, 300-400W in most cases, and about 520W in extreme cases. The Founders Edition seems to be pretty efficient already. 300-400 watts is basically the equivalent of my 3090 FTW3 Ultra, though my card's transient load "only" spikes to 420 watts. It's good to know that I'll be able to drop a 4090 into my current rig without any modification. I still wish its rasterization performance would be better. As amazing as the DLSS 3.0 is, its optical multi frame generation also produces more latency and graphics artifacts. So I think a lot of 40-series owners will end up using DLSS but keeping the frame generation option disabled instead. Make sure it fits:
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Post by bmwcrazy on Oct 14, 2022 6:42:15 GMT
It definitely fits. That's the great thing about the Lian Li O11 XL, there's just so much room to work with and plenty of fans to cool your video card. I still need to wait for Seasonic to release their 12VHPWR connector cable.
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Post by rewindbutton on Oct 14, 2022 10:48:15 GMT
able to drop a 4090 into my current rig without any modification I would need a new case and PSU for sure. I noticed that. I still think that the FPS crowd will love it.
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Post by rewindbutton on Oct 14, 2022 10:51:09 GMT
That cable still looks iffy to me. But once we get more reviews we'll know for sure.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Oct 14, 2022 13:56:50 GMT
That cable still looks iffy to me. But once we get more reviews we'll know for sure. Haha. That is the Seasonic 2x8-pin to 12VHPWR cable. The Corsair one looks just as iffy. I noticed that. I still think that the FPS crowd will love it. Most 40-series owners might prefer to use DLSS without frame generation for competitive FPS. DLSS still reduces input latency because it does the upscaling based on "real" frames. The frame generation tech adds new frames based on motion interpolation like your TVs do. So that increases input latency. I really hope they use it for video playbacks in the future. It is perfect for it. You know what I'm talking about if you have ever watched 24FPS movies on a high refresh rate gaming monitor with low response time. It is like watching a stuttering slide show.
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Post by rewindbutton on Oct 14, 2022 14:51:42 GMT
The Corsair one looks just as iffy. Yeah, I watched that too. Not liking the cables at all, but we'll have to wait and see. DLSS still reduces input latency because it does the upscaling based on "real" frames. I it is pretty impressive I must say.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Oct 15, 2022 8:24:05 GMT
That cable still looks iffy to me. But once we get more reviews we'll know for sure. Haha. That is the Seasonic 2x8-pin to 12VHPWR cable. The Corsair one looks just as iffy. I noticed that. I still think that the FPS crowd will love it. Most 40-series owners might prefer to use DLSS without frame generation for competitive FPS. DLSS still reduces input latency because it does the upscaling based on "real" frames. The frame generation tech adds new frames based on motion interpolation like your TVs do. So that increases input latency. I really hope they use it for video playbacks in the future. It is perfect for it. You know what I'm talking about if you have ever watched 24FPS movies on a high refresh rate gaming monitor with low response time. It is like watching a stuttering slide show. So... Since you plan on a 4000 series... You think you should use a TV?
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Oct 15, 2022 8:30:36 GMT
The Corsair one looks just as iffy. Yeah, I watched that too. Not liking the cables at all, but we'll have to wait and see. DLSS still reduces input latency because it does the upscaling based on "real" frames. I it is pretty impressive I must say. This wire cable pandering by Nvidia isn't helping... If they want to run cables then run cables: Impressive? That is subjective.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Oct 15, 2022 8:35:44 GMT
It definitely fits. That's the great thing about the Lian Li O11 XL, there's just so much room to work with and plenty of fans to cool your video card. I still need to wait for Seasonic to release their 12VHPWR connector cable. Just pray that their cable looks better... Though it would probably be better to just get a S.PSU.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Oct 15, 2022 18:15:20 GMT
I still really like my 8 GB RTX 2080 Super FTW 3 Ultra Gaming....Given that the equivalent 30 series card is ultra rare almost non-existent these days and prices are still stupidly high...I would have an extremely hard time getting rid of my 2080 Super if I had thought I wanted to upgrade, because frankly, given the supply problems and the high prices, I wouldn't find anything in the 30 series that I would be equally as happy with. In my mind the price to performance plus teh struggle of actually obtaining a card would not be worth it.
And the set-up I have still totally rocks every pair of socks I have at 4K 60 FPS with everything on Ultra and even with DLSS and RTX ON, so why bother even trying to 'trade up' ?
The way I see it my current rig will last me long enough into the future that by the time I want to upgrade...I will actually NEED to upgrade and at that point it might as well be worth building from the ground up. Maybe then I will have luck in finding parts that I want which are at least equivalent to what I have now.
Until that time, I'm going to stick with what I have.
To add another thought to this post, however..... Although I am equally happy with every piece of hardware in my system- there isn't really any single piece that I think 'meh, it's okay..I would have preferred this, OR it would have been better if....'.... Looking at how my PC works when at full load (especially in the hot summer months), the hardware that I would say I mentally keep coming back to as being the 'most worth the money, given price to performance and build quality', would have to be the CPU Cooler: the Corsair 280mm iCue H115 RGB Pro XT. Not only does it fit my case beautifully, but the cooling performance (out of the box) is world's more than expected. Some would say, 'insane' given my choice of CPU.
The 10-900 series is reportedly known to run quite hot (some say pushing 85 Celcius), but even under full load (for example when doing 4K Gaming marathons of 3 hours+ at 4K/60 everything on Ultra with RTX and DLSS ON), I barely push 40-45 Celcius across all cores. The ONLY single situation that I have ever seen the CPU get up to even 65-69 degrees is when I am running a FULL Virus Scan. But that process is known to be and expected to be very intensive, so temperatures in the mid to high 60s or even low 70s would be expected. And even those temperatures are only for split seconds, bouncing and changing randomly every second so there is nothing sustained for any length of time, which is also I think a marker of better than excellent cooling performance and reliability.
When I was building my system last year and chose the 280mm iCue H115 RGB Pro XT, the guy at Canada COmputers asked me "why specifically Corsair? I mean, think about this: Of all the brands we carry, Corsair is the only brand that we get back for repairs (not often but it does happen), and then repair them and sell them as refurbed" We don't do that with any other brand."
To which I replied "well, I have used Corsair liquid AIOs since the H40 and H55 came out...the latest one I have is the H80i v. 2, and not one of them have I ever had any problems with. More than that, they have all been excellent in the performance department, so as far as I'm concerned....when it comes to liquid cooling AIO/Closed Loop Coolers-- Corsair is a brand that I know and trust. Also, I think they are reasonably priced."
Satisfied with my answer, he conceded and I chose what I chose. I have in no way ever been disappointed. In fact, I would by the same model again if I had to and could.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Oct 15, 2022 18:36:02 GMT
]So... Since you plan on a 4000 series... You think you should use a TV? I think you misunderstood me. I was talking about how Nvidia's "Frame Generation" tech is very similar to the motion interpolation tech in your TV. I probably will never use a TV as my gaming PC display though. OLED TVs still have some burn-in issues. Also large screens are actually not very good for competitive gaming like Call of Duty, Counter Strike, and Apex Legends. For that, you need something like a 24 or 27-inch high refresh rate monitor (like 240hz) with very low response time. You definitely don't want an ultra-wide display or a large TV if you want to do anything competitive. If I want to watch a movie or do some casual gaming on a TV, I'll just use one of my HTPCs (home theater PCs) instead.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Oct 15, 2022 19:02:15 GMT
I mean we probably shouldn't laugh at Nvidia for doing the right thing and correcting their mistake rather than doubling down on it. Though it was a mistake that shouldn't have existed in the first place. The "RTX 4080 12GB" will probably be renamed to RTX 4070 or 4070 Ti. The MSRP will be reduced as well, so this is good news for everyone. The not so good news is the crazy price increase of the RTX 4080 16GB over the RTX 3080 10GB.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Oct 15, 2022 19:47:55 GMT
Being a big fan of Gigabyte/Aorus for their motherboards, and sadly now that EVGA is out of the GPU business....My next GPU brand of choice would be Gigabyte/Aorus.
This video I found about the 4090 models from Gigabyte/Aorus seem to me as a good argument to make the switch and choose Gigabyte/Aorus over MSI.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Oct 15, 2022 21:53:45 GMT
]So... Since you plan on a 4000 series... You think you should use a TV? I think you misunderstood me. I was talking about how Nvidia's "Frame Generation" tech is very similar to the motion interpolation tech in your TV. I probably will never use a TV as my gaming PC display though. OLED TVs still have some burn-in issues. Also large screens are actually not very good for competitive gaming like Call of Duty, Counter Strike, and Apex Legends. For that, you need something like a 24 or 27-inch high refresh rate monitor (like 240hz) with very low response time. You definitely don't want an ultra-wide display or a large TV if you want to do anything competitive. If I want to watch a movie or do some casual gaming on a TV, I'll just use one of my HTPCs (home theater PCs) instead. Yes.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Oct 15, 2022 21:57:43 GMT
I mean we probably shouldn't laugh at Nvidia for doing the right thing and correcting their mistake rather than doubling down on it. Though it was a mistake that shouldn't have existed in the first place. The "RTX 4080 12GB" will probably be renamed to RTX 4070 or 4070 Ti. The MSRP will be reduced as well, so this is good news for everyone. The not so good news is the crazy price increase of the RTX 4080 16GB over the RTX 3080 10GB. Wait there is a 10 GB 4000 series that has been shown? Or just speculating on the 4070 and them renaming the 4080 12GB to 4070 TI? Price change? I'm skeptical they will given Jensens' statement about "Moores' Law Is Dead" and thus cheap GPU's are dead. It just an excuse for using the new 4nm TSMC process for the 4000 series. As the 4NM node process matures the price to produce will go down. If they keep the price up then this is just more of the same diabolical tactics. And with Jensen stating that he will basically manipulate the market to keep prices up -I am skeptical. But IF they do lower prices I will concede that hopefully Nvidia isn't trying to full on be a monopoly. Nvidia doing the right thing and "unlaunch" and rename GPU's? They have done it before: the 9000's series was renamed to the GT 110, GT 120 and so on -years ago.... So could happen -though when this is done the series usually has less sales over all. So I don't really think they will do so -since they still got the money grubbing shill in charge.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Oct 15, 2022 21:59:31 GMT
I mean we probably shouldn't laugh at Nvidia for doing the right thing and correcting their mistake rather than doubling down on it. Though it was a mistake that shouldn't have existed in the first place.
The "RTX 4080 12GB" will probably be renamed to RTX 4070 or 4070 Ti. The MSRP will be reduced as well, so this is good news for everyone. The not so good news is the crazy price increase of the RTX 4080 16GB over the RTX 3080 10GB. I think you misunderstand me I am not laughing at Nvidia I am laughing at the blunders of the Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang. With his pandemic ego still in full steam he should have his leather jacket given to a more competent individual say Malcolm Gutenburg. Jensen deserves a broom -Let him sweep up the mess he has made for Nvidia. Though he would be more likely to just sweep it under the rug. With all that Jensen has done this year -especially his market manipulation I don't care if its ethically right he deserves to be laughed at. His business blunders make him someone who shouldn't be allowed to make business decisions -he needs a demotion. Till he humbles himself and concedes he has been WRONG about ALOT -which I doubt his ego will get out the way for... He deserves no less when it bites him in the butt. TLDR: Nvidia CEO since 1993 -Jensen Huang. Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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