Charge Up Mechanics for MP Guns (peddroelm et al)

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Post by capn233 on Oct 24, 2016 4:08:33 GMT

18 May 2013, peddroelm posted:

Multiplayer Breakpoint test

GPS X (892.7) + barrel V
No passives
Warp I (15% AD, 25% weakening, 25% biotic)

//Full charge
14437ms | trooper damage: 133.905029 // 892.7 * 0.15 = 133.905 warp ammo damage
0ms | trooper damage: 1115.875000 // 892.7 * (1 + 0.25) =1115.875
0ms | trooper damage: 334.762573 // 892.7 * 0.3 * (1 + 0.25) =334.7625
0ms | trooper damage: 334.762573

//Lowest observed damage (snap shot)
53266ms | trooper damage: 133.905029 // 892.7 * 0.15 = 133.905 warp ammo damage
0ms | trooper damage: 507.238159 // 892.7 * 0.45 * (1 + 0.25) = 502.14375
1ms | trooper damage: 152.171447 // 892.7 * 0.45 * 0.3 * (1 + 0.25) = 150.643125
0ms | trooper damage: 152.171447 // 892.7 * 0.45 * 0.3 * (1 + 0.25) = 150.643125

GPS does the same ammo damage regardless of charge level .. But only the centre projectile applies ammo damage ... The base damage from the coalesced.ini (Cyonan's weapon table) is used to calculate the % damage for the GPS ammo damage.

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Kishock - charge level has no influence on ammo damage (% of full listed weapon damage)

Graal &Arc Pistol - charge level applies to ammo damage (*2 for charged graal respectively *2 and *3 for arc pistol (semi/fully charged) )

Venom

Venom I 636 base damage no skills ap ammo I

//Uncharged damage 1 grenade
+5409 ms |Health Damage 63.599976 // AP ammo I *0.1 damage
+1 ms |Health Damage 636.000000

//Charged shot 3 grenades each doing 0.3667% damage
+1826295 ms |Health Damage 23.322144
+0 ms |Health Damage 1.000000
+1 ms |Health Damage 1.000000
+1 ms |Health Damage 23.322144
+1 ms |Health Damage 233.221191
+3 ms |Health Damage 1.000000
+1 ms |Health Damage 23.322144
+1 ms |Health Damage 233.221191
+1 ms |Health Damage 1.000000
+2 ms |Health Damage 23.322144
+0 ms |Health Damage 233.221191

636 * 0.3667 * 0.1 = 23.32212 // ap ammo damage (base d)
1 = sum of weapon damage bonuses (1 for naked char)
636 * 0.3667 = 233.2212 // grenade damage

Venom charged mechanics ...

And test after the minor buff to confirm the same mechanics

(sum of weapon damage mods =1 Venom I)

charged shot

35862ms | a. trooper damage: 1.000000
1ms | a. trooper damage: 1.000000
0ms | a. trooper damage: 265.021210
1ms | a. trooper damage: 1.000000
1ms | a. trooper damage: 265.021210
1ms | a. trooper damage: 1.000000
1ms | a. trooper damage: 265.021210

snap shot
7892ms | a. trooper damage: 636.000000

1.25 / 3 = 0.4167
636 * 0.4167 = 265.0212

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So for venom total charged ammo shot damage is Ammo% *(1.25 /3) *4
Charge splits in 3 projectiles that each apply ammo damage + ammo damage is applied once before the split ...

My thread has links for gps, graal , arc pistol & kishock mechanics .. Will edit in venom

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Charge Up Mechanics for MP Guns (peddroelm et al) Oct 24, 2016 4:09:03 GMT

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Post by capn233 on Oct 24, 2016 4:09:03 GMT

OniGanon wrote:

Thanks peddromelz, much appreciated. Let's see if I've understood it right...

GPS ammo damage is always based on the damage of a single, charged projectile.

Kishock ammo damage is always based on the damage of an uncharged shot (including DoT?).

Ammo scales with Graal and Arc Pistol charge.

Ammo damage scales with Venom charge, and applies for each projectile + 1.

If that's how it works, it seems rather inconsistent. I mean, why would ammo scale with the Graal's charge but not the Kishock?

What of weapons with ramp up damage like the Typhoon, PPR or GSMG? Is there a consistent pattern for them?

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Charge Up Mechanics for MP Guns (peddroelm et al) Oct 24, 2016 4:09:31 GMT

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Post by capn233 on Oct 24, 2016 4:09:31 GMT

peddroelm wrote

From weapon damage formula
There are two types of charge multipliers ..

A.
BChargeMultiplier - For Graal, Typhoon, PPR , GSMG, ArcPistol , Venom (charged weapons) the charge multiplier will apply to the baseweapondamage.
Because it applies to BaseWeapon damage - it will automatically affect ammo damage (which is % of base weapon damage).
This type of charge multiplier is not-continuous - only has discrete values . THIS WILL APPLY TO ALL PROJECTILES FIRED ..

Graal *1 (6 pellets), *2 (6 pellets) [either charged or uncharged]
Typhoon *1, *1.5 [either charged or uncharged]
PPR *1, *4 [either charged or uncharged]
GPSM *1, *2.5 [either charged or uncharged]
Arc Pistol *1 (1 bullet), *3 (1 bullet), *3 ( 2 bullets), *3 (3 bullets) [uncharged, .., fully charged]
Venom *1 (1 projectile), *0.4166 (=1.25/3) (4 projectiles - only 3 of which will also do weapon damage) [either charged or uncharged]

B.
And a continuous (proportional with charge time) type of charge multiplier that applies at a later point in the damage formula and ONLY affects actual weapon damage (not ammo). (GPS, Kishook)
Weapons with this kind of charge multiplier will only APPLY ammo damage ONCE PER SHOT (based on base_weapon damage) AND NOT FOR EACH PROJECTILE ...
(for those weapons make no sense to call ammo damage based on charged or uncharged damage - like all ammo damage is based on base weapon damage that is not affected by the continuous type of charge modifier)

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GlobalDamageMultipliers
- Charge Mod for weapons with continuous ChargeMods (GPS, Kishok)
...

GPS "continuous" range from *(0.45 to 1) - only applies once (not for every projectile)
Kishook "continuous range" from *(1 to 1.75)

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