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Post by shinobiwan on May 20, 2021 15:32:52 GMT
Please explain what you mean here, I don't get it. Are you saying that they would have lost revenue by offering a discount to Alliance veterans? I disagree - this veteran bought the Legendary Cache, would have bought the LE to go with it if the price was right. Not even a bundle was offered there, which defies logic. I’m not quite following what you’re saying here, but my point is pretty straightforward and shouldn’t be controversial. A discount only makes sense if the revenue generated by increased sales exceeds the revenue lost from providing the discount to those who would have made the purchase anyway. For example, hypothetically let’s say the game would have sold 100,000 units at $60 to the enfranchised veterans who played the original. If a 10% discount would only bring 100 more sales in, then the discount caused a loss of $600,000 (.1 * $60 * 100k) from the initial wave of sales while only generating $5,400 from the new sales. That’s a loss. We can debate whether the current situation fits that pattern I suppose, but I expect that it does. And regardless, feelings of what’s deserved as the OP put it aren’t really part of the calculus here. |
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I’m not quite following what you’re saying here, but my point is pretty straightforward and shouldn’t be controversial. A discount only makes sense if the revenue generated by increased sales exceeds the revenue lost from providing the discount to those who would have made the purchase anyway. For example, hypothetically let’s say the game would have sold 100,000 units at $60 to the enfranchised veterans who played the original. If a 10% discount would only bring 100 more sales in, then the discount caused a loss of $600,000 (.1 * $60 * 100k) from the initial wave of sales while only generating $5,400 from the new sales. That’s a loss. We can debate whether the current situation fits that pattern I suppose, but I expect that it does. And regardless, feelings of what’s deserved as the OP put it aren’t really part of the calculus here. Faulty math. Too simple and flat incorrect. Regarding feelings of desert - that's a strawman. I don't feel I deserve anything, I do feel like I would have bought the game with a little gladhanding. |
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Post by shinobiwan on May 20, 2021 15:51:24 GMT
I’m not quite following what you’re saying here, but my point is pretty straightforward and shouldn’t be controversial. A discount only makes sense if the revenue generated by increased sales exceeds the revenue lost from providing the discount to those who would have made the purchase anyway. For example, hypothetically let’s say the game would have sold 100,000 units at $60 to the enfranchised veterans who played the original. If a 10% discount would only bring 100 more sales in, then the discount caused a loss of $600,000 (.1 * $60 * 100k) from the initial wave of sales while only generating $5,400 from the new sales. That’s a loss. We can debate whether the current situation fits that pattern I suppose, but I expect that it does. And regardless, feelings of what’s deserved as the OP put it aren’t really part of the calculus here. Faulty math. Too simple and flat incorrect. Regarding feelings of desert - that's a strawman. I don't feel I deserve anything, I do feel like I would have bought the game with a little gladhanding. Err, no. It’s economics 101. The deserving element isn’t a strawman. It was aimed at what the OP said, not you. Ironically, your assertion is a strawman. Maybe you’re correct that you’re a holdout (I have no way of knowing really), but even a cursory glance around the Internet shows the game is doing just fine among the people who played the original versions. |
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I don't have time to add up the cost of all three games plus the DLCs, but everyone is getting three games plus all the DLCs for the price of a single AAA game. You're only paying $59.99 US, so how much do you think you should pay? Yeah in truth you're effectively just paying about £20 a game so it's not too bad plus you'er getting evre yDLC as par to fthe deqal as well and all in a improved remastered state. Personally considering the amount of content that the trilogy was given that's apretty decent deal. There is a ton of content there. Especiall ygiven the amoun twe had to pa ywhen it first came out.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on May 20, 2021 16:54:44 GMT
If you've already played everything in the MET - why would you even buy the remaster? The only sales prop is all the DLC but I aint paying 60 eddies for that. Streaming capabilities for me, plus on a newer console in one package and not scattershot across DLC that I have trouble accessing. The graphical upgrades and combat enhancements are nice bonus too. As is controller support for PC. Yeah havin geverything in one neat packag ewith a graphica lupgrade is why I eventuall ycaved in and got it. I d ohav eall the DLC but I have noticed it can take quiet a while t odownload everything. I twill still likel ytake awhilr ebut jus tbeing ablre to clic kon th egam eand jus tplay will feel great I think. I think another good thing i swon' thave t oworry about the galactic readiness anymore s on omessing around with that N7HQ app
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2021 17:42:35 GMT
I’m not quite following what you’re saying here, but my point is pretty straightforward and shouldn’t be controversial. A discount only makes sense if the revenue generated by increased sales exceeds the revenue lost from providing the discount to those who would have made the purchase anyway. For example, hypothetically let’s say the game would have sold 100,000 units at $60 to the enfranchised veterans who played the original. If a 10% discount would only bring 100 more sales in, then the discount caused a loss of $600,000 (.1 * $60 * 100k) from the initial wave of sales while only generating $5,400 from the new sales. That’s a loss. We can debate whether the current situation fits that pattern I suppose, but I expect that it does. And regardless, feelings of what’s deserved as the OP put it aren’t really part of the calculus here. Faulty math. Too simple and flat incorrect. Regarding feelings of desert - that's a strawman. I don't feel I deserve anything, I do feel like I would have bought the game with a little gladhanding. Perhaps a more pertinent question though is among older fans, how many are never, ever going to buy the remaster because of the lack of a "loyalty discount" on the initial price vs. how many are going to buy the remaster anyways once it hits the discount bins in general. To the company, the former does represent potential lost revenue, but in the latter case, it is only deferred revenue. If they gave you a discount now, would you buy a second copy when it hits the discount bins? Likely not. So, as a potential customer, you represent 1 discounted sale of the game regardless of when that sale is made.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2021 20:05:10 GMT
Faulty math. Too simple and flat incorrect. Regarding feelings of desert - that's a strawman. I don't feel I deserve anything, I do feel like I would have bought the game with a little gladhanding. Perhaps a more pertinent question though is among older fans, how many are never, ever going to buy the remaster because of the lack of a "loyalty discount" on the initial price vs. how many are going to buy the remaster anyways once it hits the discount bins in general. To the company, the former does represent potential lost revenue, but in the latter case, it is only deferred revenue. If they gave you a discount now, would you buy a second copy when it hits the discount bins? Likely not. So, as a potential customer, you represent 1 discounted sale of the game regardless of when that sale is made. This is where an actuary would be needed, but my thought is 45usd now is better than 5usd years later when the financial impact is meaningless. I would venture to guess the amount of people that purchased all available story DLC is fairly small. Of that, there is the point that was made that some of those were going to buy the game at release regardless. Some negligible amount of profit would be lost to them, and made good by the number of hold-the-liners like myself who don't make day 1 purchases anymore anyway, but might purchase week 1 if it seems to be going in a direction I like. It is this quarter's sales that matter, not down the road totals. |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2021 20:19:50 GMT
Perhaps a more pertinent question though is among older fans, how many are never, ever going to buy the remaster because of the lack of a "loyalty discount" on the initial price vs. how many are going to buy the remaster anyways once it hits the discount bins in general. To the company, the former does represent potential lost revenue, but in the latter case, it is only deferred revenue. If they gave you a discount now, would you buy a second copy when it hits the discount bins? Likely not. So, as a potential customer, you represent 1 discounted sale of the game regardless of when that sale is made. This is where an actuary would be needed, but my thought is 45usd now is better than 5usd years later when the financial impact is meaningless. I would venture to guess the amount of people that purchased all available story DLC is fairly small. Of that, there is the point that was made that some of those were going to buy the game at release regardless. Some negligible amount of profit would be lost to them, and made good by the number of hold-the-liners like myself who don't make day 1 purchases anymore anyway, but might purchase week 1 if it seems to be going in a direction I like. It is this quarter's sales that matter, not down the road totals. Depends... deferred revenue is often a good thing as it lessens the tax load in the initial quarter (but I'm not here to provide a lessen in business finances and taxes). Much depends on the overall health of the company's balance sheet.
The bottom line is that it is still not "lost revenue" but revenue the company will get later anyways. As I said, their bigger focus is whether or not they've hit a price point that will encourage new customers and most of those probably feel that it is a good value for a top-flight game with a great reputation that they're buying for the first time. Loyal customers who already own copies of the OT are, for the most part, ones who will eventually buy the remastered game anyways. If they discount it now for them or if it's sold to them at a general discount a couple of months from now really doesn't matter. Remasters aren't like new releases that have a short window to get the buying public's attention. Mass Effect's OT got the public's attention in 2007 when it first released. ME2 is well-known as one of the 10 best games ever made. Bioware can rightfully cash in on its previous reputation without having to especially cater to their old customers.
If you're a customer who was unhappy with the OT and holding out for changes that weren't done in the remaster, offering you a special discount probably isn't going to change your mind. It certainly won't make you happier to see that your hoped-for changes weren't made. For those customers - better they wait anyways to really find out what changes were and were not made... and by then, they'll be able to buy it from the bargain bin anyways.
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Post by NotN7 on May 20, 2021 21:23:24 GMT
Sorry but I myself can afford it  but if you cannot why complain about it here on the boards? EA and Bioware are going to do what they have to do to make a profit besides the money they make could go toward finishing ME5 or DA4? who knows? sure as heck you all don't  |
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Post by dmc1001 on May 22, 2021 1:26:56 GMT
No discount for those of us that played since the beginning? I bought all the games and all the DLC and I have to pay full price? Even a small discount code sent by email would be appreciated. Rather than paying $200+ for the three games and all DLC, you pay $60. Sounds like a discount to me.
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Post by abaris on May 22, 2021 22:54:22 GMT
Rather than paying $200+ for the three games and all DLC, you pay $60. Sounds like a discount to me.
I have no particular horse in the game and paid the 59.99 without bitching about it. But the above is no real argument. Bethesda, for example, gave you the Skirim remaster for free, if you owned the game and the DLCs.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 22, 2021 23:00:03 GMT
Rather than paying $200+ for the three games and all DLC, you pay $60. Sounds like a discount to me.
I have no particular horse in the game and paid the 59.99 without bitching about it. But the above is no real argument. Bethesda, for example, gave you the Skirim remaster for free, if you owned the game and the DLCs.
True. I got that for free. I don't recall why they did the remaster. Since I play it heavily modded anyway there's no way for me to know. Then again, Bethesda vs EA says it all.
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