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Post by jrpN7 on Mar 1, 2021 14:31:47 GMT
Paragons also show plenty of backbone. Such as? More backbone here in these 22 seconds than in a Brontosaurus' lifetime Vasir-"Back down or I kill the hostage" Paragon Shepard-"No, back down or I kill the hostage" Hostage- 👁👄👁
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Post by themikefest on Mar 1, 2021 14:59:14 GMT
More backbone here in these 22 seconds than in a Brontosaurus' lifetime Vasir-"Back down or I kill the hostage" Paragon Shepard-"No, back down or I kill the hostage" Hostage- 👁👄👁 What bothered me is the scene above is similar to the scene during the coup when facing Udina except he is killed.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 1, 2021 15:44:50 GMT
More backbone here in these 22 seconds than in a Brontosaurus' lifetime Vasir-"Back down or I kill the hostage" Paragon Shepard-"No, back down or I kill the hostage" Hostage- 👁👄👁 You got to admit though, that sounds more like a renegade shep line.
Edit to add, I am curious what he says as examples if he didn't do things like that. The rachni one is easy, I killed the last of its species. But what do you sub in for the first, I saved the council?
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Post by jrpN7 on Mar 1, 2021 16:02:30 GMT
More backbone here in these 22 seconds than in a Brontosaurus' lifetime -snip- Vasir-"Back down or I kill the hostage" Paragon Shepard-"No, back down or I kill the hostage" Hostage- 👁👄👁 You got to admit though, that sounds more like a renegade shep line.
Edit to add, I am curious what he says as examples if he didn't do things like that. The rachni one is easy, I killed the last of its species. But what do you sub in for the first, I saved the council?
"I sacrificed hundreds of Alliance lives for the Destiny Ascension" or something like that.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 1, 2021 16:21:17 GMT
You got to admit though, that sounds more like a renegade shep line.
Edit to add, I am curious what he says as examples if he didn't do things like that. The rachni one is easy, I killed the last of its species. But what do you sub in for the first, I saved the council?
"I sacrificed hundreds of Alliance lives for the Destiny Ascension" or something like that. That makes sense. Its funny to me how much better Shep is than Ryder form scenes like this. We get this with Shep as a paragon and Ryder's tough lines are things like We'll fuck you up.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 5, 2021 0:55:49 GMT
"I sacrificed hundreds of Alliance lives for the Destiny Ascension" or something like that. That makes sense. Its funny to me how much better Shep is than Ryder form scenes like this. We get this with Shep as a paragon and Ryder's tough lines are things like We'll fuck you up. Well in fairness to Ryder they'er not a Spectre and never have been one. Also Andromeda is the firs ttime Ryder has been in charge of doing anything.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 5, 2021 0:59:53 GMT
That makes sense. Its funny to me how much better Shep is than Ryder form scenes like this. We get this with Shep as a paragon and Ryder's tough lines are things like We'll fuck you up. Well in fairness to Ryder they'er not a Spectre and never have been one. Also Andromeda is the firs ttime Ryder has been in charge of doing anything. I don't care why he is a shit character, he still is a shit character.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 5, 2021 1:24:04 GMT
Well in fairness to Ryder they'er not a Spectre and never have been one. Also Andromeda is the firs ttime Ryder has been in charge of doing anything. I don't care why he is a shit character, he still is a shit character. Its actually both of the main draws of Ryder's character and why I prefer them to Shepard. Well two of the three main reasons anyways.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 5, 2021 1:27:27 GMT
I don't care why he is a shit character, he still is a shit character. Its actually both of the main draws of Ryder's character and why I prefer them to Shepard. Well two of the three main reasons anyways. Yeah I agree it's on eof the things I liked about Ryder as well. I liked the fac tthey were nervous about the job they were taking on it made them feel more lik ea real person to me.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 5, 2021 1:32:49 GMT
In thinking about it to some other trends in my Shepard's personality emerged throughout the series.
-Didn't really like galactic goverment, didn't approve of the Council, didn't want to become a Spectre...and jestioned it the first chance she got, and was rather horrified that humanity replaced the first Council in ME 1 with one of their own. -Very easy going and mama bear with her crew,llet James call her Lola, etc. -Very practical and tends to be more mission first, only focused on actually doing the mission rather then random exploration in the UNC missions, kept Mordin's protege's work in 2. -Very aggressive against their enemies and will bring all her abilities to bear to bring you down. -Ain't above the Jack Bauer inteorogation technique. -Doesen't like mind control,loss of freedom, or genocide, but will lean towards the latter rather then the former.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 5, 2021 1:43:45 GMT
That makes sense. Its funny to me how much better Shep is than Ryder form scenes like this. We get this with Shep as a paragon and Ryder's tough lines are things like We'll fuck you up. Well in fairness to Ryder they'er not a Spectre and never have been one. Also Andromeda is the firs ttime Ryder has been in charge of doing anything. In fairness, little Ryder did a crappy job being in charge for the first time. Having the I don't care attitude won't win any leadership points. Letting squadmates do stupid crap doesn't help either. I don't believe those are things the Alliance, and their father, a former N7, taught the little one.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 5, 2021 1:48:24 GMT
Well in fairness to Ryder they'er not a Spectre and never have been one. Also Andromeda is the firs ttime Ryder has been in charge of doing anything. In fairness, little Ryder did a crappy job being in charge for the first time. Having the I don't care attitude won't win any leadership points. Letting squadmates do stupid crap doesn't help either. I don't believe those are things the Alliance, and their father, a former N7, taught the little one. My Ryder cared. And my Ryder reamed Liam a new one so he also didn't let the squad get away with much of anything, at least within the confines of the dialogue options available. And he often proved as tough and as indomitable as my Paragrade fem shep. Heck I'd even call him the more Renegade of the two.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 5, 2021 1:58:28 GMT
In fairness, little Ryder did a crappy job being in charge for the first time. Having the I don't care attitude won't win any leadership points. Letting squadmates do stupid crap doesn't help either. I don't believe those are things the Alliance, and their father, a former N7, taught the little one. My Ryder cared. And my Ryder reamed Liam a new one so he also didn't let the squad get away with much of anything, at least within the confines of the dialogue options available. And he often proved as tough and as indomitable as my Paragrade fem shep. Heck I'd even call him the more Renegade of the two. Your Ryder cared? Apparently not since he/she failed to scan the robot for foreign objects before bringing it back on the ship. Is that something a person being in charge would do? When did Ryder ream Kosta? Are you referring to the different tone of voice after talking with Bradley. That wasn't a ream. That was more of a don't do that again thing. But you know he will do something stupid again, right? Remember he was suspended x number of times. He's a troublemaker. It's too bad there wasn't an option for Ryder to turn the guy over to Nexus security to explain why he does stupid crap.
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In fairness, little Ryder did a crappy job being in charge for the first time. Having the I don't care attitude won't win any leadership points. Letting squadmates do stupid crap doesn't help either. I don't believe those are things the Alliance, and their father, a former N7, taught the little one. My Ryder cared. And my Ryder reamed Liam a new one so he also didn't let the squad get away with much of anything, at least within the confines of the dialogue options available. And he often proved as tough and as indomitable as my Paragrade fem shep. Heck I'd even call him the more Renegade of the two. Mine did too.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 5, 2021 2:00:47 GMT
My Ryder cared. And my Ryder reamed Liam a new one so he also didn't let the squad get away with much of anything, at least within the confines of the dialogue options available. And he often proved as tough and as indomitable as my Paragrade fem shep. Heck I'd even call him the more Renegade of the two. Your Ryder cared? Apparently not since he/she failed to scan the robot for foreign objects before bringing it back on the ship. Is that something a person being in charge would do? Shepard failed to have the Reaper code scanned before integrating it into the ship. Is that something a person being in charge would do? And Shepard hardly reamed multiple characters who have a habit of going against authority too.
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Your Ryder cared? Apparently not since he/she failed to scan the robot for foreign objects before bringing it back on the ship. Is that something a person being in charge would do? Shepard failed to have the Reaper code scanned before integrating it into the ship. Is that something a person being in charge would do? And Shepard hardly reamed multiple characters who have a habit of going against authority too. Reaper code? You mean the IFF? Wasn't it edi that was suppose to scan it? Moreau did say why you didn't scrub it. Reamed characters. Shepard can kill Wrex for being a dumba** by going against authority. Can get in Jokers face for the joke after Thessia. Get in Zaeed's face on his mission. Depending on what the player chooses, it happens twice on the mission.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 5, 2021 2:28:32 GMT
Shepard failed to have the Reaper code scanned before integrating it into the ship. Is that something a person being in charge would do? And Shepard hardly reamed multiple characters who have a habit of going against authority too. Reaper code? You mean the IFF? Wasn't it edi that was suppose to scan it? Moreau did say why you didn't scrub it. Reamed characters. Shepard can kill Wrex for being a dumba** by going against authority. Can get in Jokers face for the joke after Thessia. Get in Zaeed's face on his mission. Depending on what the player chooses, it happens twice on the mission. Shepard is the commander but never tells EDI to scan it. But okay, because it wasn’t their job they aren’t responsible. In that case by your logic Ryder isn’t responsible for the POC incident. Besides the Wrex example, what Shepard does is no different than what Ryder does: reprimands but doesn’t discipline or remove. Except in some of those cases Shepard is worse, like rolling over and apologizing to Joker.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 5, 2021 2:43:46 GMT
Shepard is the commander but never tells EDI to scan it. Didn't edi say it would take time to integrated with the ship? Wouldn't the thing have caught that virus long before the collectors showed up? POC? You mean Piece of crap. I can go with that. The robot was crap. How about the asari's girlfriend getting on the ship to take the robot. Did Ryder forget to lock the ship? Did everyone onboard wear earplugs and suffer from temporary blindness not to notice/hear an uninvited person on the ship? Ryder reprimands? Who did Ryder reprimand?
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 5, 2021 3:53:31 GMT
Your Ryder cared? Apparently not since he/she failed to scan the robot for foreign objects before bringing it back on the ship. Is that something a person being in charge would do? Shepard failed to have the Reaper code scanned before integrating it into the ship. Is that something a person being in charge would do? And Shepard hardly reamed multiple characters who have a habit of going against authority too. Also forgot to check EDI bo tfor backup systems as well almost lost the Normandy thanks to that.
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Post by michaeln7 on Mar 5, 2021 8:35:14 GMT
My canon run is like 90+% paragon. Mostly because the paragon decisions are what seem right to me and because going renegade just translates to being antagonistic and aggressive a lot of the time. I'm not sure my Shepard has any consistent philosophy beyond a) not wanting to genocide or mind control species, b ) not trusting the Council but generally thinking that humanity is better off working with other species under its framework rather than going at it on its own, c) generally trying to be helpful and de-escalate conflict. Huzzah, a gamer after my own heart!
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Shepard is the commander but never tells EDI to scan it. Didn't edi say it would take time to integrated with the ship? Wouldn't the thing have caught that virus long before the collectors showed up? One more reason to pick Destroy...no more EDI
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Post by ahglock on Mar 5, 2021 15:30:11 GMT
I don't care why he is a shit character, he still is a shit character. Its actually both of the main draws of Ryder's character and why I prefer them to Shepard. Well two of the three main reasons anyways. I had more backbone in conversations than Ryder did when I was his age, hes just pathetic but with super powers. And while you and a handful of others may have preferred Ryder, most people didn't. And for games and entertainment media, that matters.
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Its actually both of the main draws of Ryder's character and why I prefer them to Shepard. Well two of the three main reasons anyways. I had more backbone in conversations than Ryder did when I was his age, hes just pathetic but with super powers. And while you and a handful of others may have preferred Ryder, most people didn't. And for games and entertainment media, that matters. I highly doubt that. What were you doing at that age?
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 5, 2021 17:40:03 GMT
I had more backbone in conversations than Ryder did when I was his age, hes just pathetic but with super powers. And while you and a handful of others may have preferred Ryder, most people didn't. And for games and entertainment media, that matters. I highly doubt that. What were you doing at that age? I knjow I didn't tbh I still don' tbut then I'v eneve rbeen part of anything like the military or Andromeda Initiativ elike Shepard and Ryder have.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 5, 2021 19:10:25 GMT
Its actually both of the main draws of Ryder's character and why I prefer them to Shepard. Well two of the three main reasons anyways. I had more backbone in conversations than Ryder did when I was his age, hes just pathetic but with super powers. And while you and a handful of others may have preferred Ryder, most people didn't. And for games and entertainment media, that matters. Come back to me when you shoot a woman in the back, dress down a raging subordinate, lead a coup against a legitimate... Though corrupt...government, or lead a fleet of mostly unarmed ships... Including your flag ship...against an armed batt fleet and win. Yes Shepard can do most of this too but to say Ryder doesen't have a backbone is one of the most absurd criticisms directed against the game.
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