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Post by ahglock on Mar 5, 2021 19:18:05 GMT
I had more backbone in conversations than Ryder did when I was his age, hes just pathetic but with super powers. And while you and a handful of others may have preferred Ryder, most people didn't. And for games and entertainment media, that matters. I highly doubt that. What were you doing at that age? I specified in conversations. Ryder is a little bitch in far too many conversations.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 5, 2021 19:18:38 GMT
I had more backbone in conversations than Ryder did when I was his age, hes just pathetic but with super powers. And while you and a handful of others may have preferred Ryder, most people didn't. And for games and entertainment media, that matters. Come back to me when you shoot a woman in the back, dress down a raging subordinate, lead a coup against a legitimate... Though corrupt...government, or lead a fleet of mostly unarmed ships... Including your flag ship...against an armed batt fleet and win. Yes Shepard can do most of this too but to say Ryder doesen't have a backbone is one of the most absurd criticisms directed against the game. In conversations he didn't.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 5, 2021 19:26:38 GMT
I highly doubt that. What were you doing at that age? I specified in conversations. Ryder is a little bitch in far too many conversations. Disagree about the conversations. There are many examples where they have a backbone. For example straight up telling Sloane, a pirate queen who would have no problem killing you, how to run Kadara. PS: Also actions speak louder than words.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 5, 2021 19:29:55 GMT
Come back to me when you shoot a woman in the back, dress down a raging subordinate, lead a coup against a legitimate... Though corrupt...government, or lead a fleet of mostly unarmed ships... Including your flag ship...against an armed batt fleet and win. Yes Shepard can do most of this too but to say Ryder doesen't have a backbone is one of the most absurd criticisms directed against the game. In conversations he didn't. Thats nonsense. 1. I referenced a conversation specifically in my post, and its by far not the only example. His deslings with the Cardinal, Archon, Aksuul, and even members of his own crew also qualify. 2. 'Actions speak louder then words.' As the old saying goes and someone who tends to act in a bad ass manner is typically viewed as someone who has backbone. No one fears Jack Bauer because he screams a lot but because they know he knows how to inflict a massive amount of pain. And has often bench pressed odds when he has been outnumbered or at a tactically disadvantageous position. Same with Ryder.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 5, 2021 22:37:43 GMT
Come back to me when you shoot a woman in the back, Is that the asari's girlfriend, who was trying to kill Ryder, only because Ryder failed to scan the robot for any foreign objects? It must be that I don't care attitude. Don't need a backbone to shoot someone who is trying to kill you regardless of the scene. Who is this raging subordinate you're referring to? Had the little one better explained the situation, the suits might have given Ryder permission to go with the plan. You are forgetting the scourge. Take that away, Archie would have defeated that unarmed fleet with ease. The same for when the tempest first encountered Archie's ship. If it wasn't for the scourge, the ship would likely have been destroyed. Where's the backbone to get in the asari's face for being knockdown? Where was the backbone to question the asari as to why she should be on the roster after having admitted she's not a team player and for knocking Ryder to the ground? Where was the backbone to give the asari a verbal beating for the crap she did with the escape pod? Where was the backbone to give a verbal beating for what Kosta did? It all comes back to the I don't care attitude. Ryder doesn't care, therefore doesn't have to have a backbone.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 5, 2021 23:11:11 GMT
Come back to me when you shoot a woman in the back, Is that the asari's girlfriend, who was trying to kill Ryder, only because Ryder failed to scan the robot for any foreign objects? It must be that I don't care attitude. Don't need a backbone to shoot someone who is trying to kill you regardless of the scene. Who is this raging subordinate you're referring to? Had the little one better explained the situation, the suits might have given Ryder permission to go with the plan. You are forgetting the scourge. Take that away, Archie would have defeated that unarmed fleet with ease. The same for when the tempest first encountered Archie's ship. If it wasn't for the scourge, the ship would likely have been destroyed. Where's the backbone to get in the asari's face for being knockdown? Where was the backbone to question the asari as to why she should be on the roster after having admitted she's not a team player and for knocking Ryder to the ground? Where was the backbone to give the asari a verbal beating for the crap she did with the escape pod? Where was the backbone to give a verbal beating for what Kosta did? It all comes back to the I don't care attitude. Ryder doesn't care, therefore doesn't have to have a backbone. She wasn't trying to kill Ryder at the time. Her back was turned and I believe at that point in time was unarmed. I'll have to play the scene again to be entirely sure but at the end of the day such a descision was both morally dubious...and quite a back bone. Liam. I suppose that same logic works with Shepard then right? If Shepard only had explained the situation to the Council they would've authorized the mission to Ilos and they wouldn't have had to steal the Normandy. Its all Shepard/Ryder/s fault. And this proves Ryder doesen't have a backbone how? If anything both incidents prove Ryder has moral courage to stand up in the face of overwhelming odds...odds that Shepard had never actually faced...and the case with the final battle Ryder has showed a tactical awareness and brilliance that Shepard never exhibited. If your Ryder didn't want Pee bee on the roster they shouldn't have taken her there. Just leave her on the ship. Mine reprimanded her for that incident. Mine did that to.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 5, 2021 23:33:44 GMT
I suppose that same logic works with Shepard then right? If Shepard only had explained the situation to the Council they would've authorized the mission to Ilos and they wouldn't have had to steal the Normandy. Its all Shepard/Ryder/s fault. I believe no matter what explanation Shepard gave, the council would have locked the SR1 instead of Udina. Yes it takes a backbone to face an an enemy unarmd, but it's also stupid at the same time. What happens the next time Ryder faces the kett? Look around hoping the scourge is nearby to save her/his sorry a**? Shepard never faced overwhelming odds? I guess Shepard leading all the fleets against the reapers never happened. Why can't Ryder say no to having her on the ship? As far as taken her on that planet? Did Ryder foresee that stuff happening? Did you foresee that stuff on your first playthrough? Really? Can you post a link showing Ryder reprimanding the asari
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Post by colfoley on Mar 6, 2021 1:23:42 GMT
I suppose that same logic works with Shepard then right? If Shepard only had explained the situation to the Council they would've authorized the mission to Ilos and they wouldn't have had to steal the Normandy. Its all Shepard/Ryder/s fault. I believe no matter what explanation Shepard gave, the council would have locked the SR1 instead of Udina. Yes it takes a backbone to face an an enemy unarmd, but it's also stupid at the same time. What happens the next time Ryder faces the kett? Look around hoping the scourge is nearby to save her/his sorry a**? Shepard never faced overwhelming odds? I guess Shepard leading all the fleets against the reapers never happened. Why can't Ryder say no to having her on the ship? As far as taken her on that planet? Did Ryder foresee that stuff happening? Did you foresee that stuff on your first playthrough? Really? Can you post a link showing Ryder reprimanding the asari Its not Ryder's fault that the Initiative was a bunch of idiots. Now why they didn't arm after the fact is anyone's guess but we also do not know if they had the time/ industrial capacity to go through arming all their ships...except for anything small that is. And Shepard has always had armaments available wherever they went, fleet battles, ship to ship, or on the ground. And yes while Shepard's odds were quite overwhelming in their own way it still is an important factor in how you deal with problems when you can shoot back.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 6, 2021 2:18:39 GMT
I always find these "backbone" arguments a little hard to take seriously. Why does Ryder have to be so insecure that he needs to play dominance games all the time?
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 6, 2021 5:06:03 GMT
Always went mixed with it. Especially in 2.
One thing I like doing with Shepard is starting them put as more pro humans and get the job done ruthless, but then go for a more of an egalitarian approach by the time we get to mass effect 2 and 3. It gives shepard an secondary arc for themselves.
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Post by Upggrade on Mar 6, 2021 5:45:46 GMT
Don't have time for idiots. My Shepard knows he's right and now that he doesn't have to tolerate them, he's not going to let people who are wrong get in his way.
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Post by obbie1984 on Mar 6, 2021 9:02:59 GMT
Generally mixed. I prefer the character to act according to the situation and weigh the options. Mostly paragon makes you look soft and not fitting of a commander. Mostly renegade makes you look like a back stabbing crazy person at times.
However, I like playing the hardass renegade commander who is still pretty reasonable. For instance, I never found the pushing the mercenary out of the window funny or cool. The line at the end is bad too. I prefer threatening him but ultimately letting him go. Plus the line is better. Basically, you can choose renegade options but not always have to take it so far. At the same time he can be friendly to the crew and emotionally available as needed. This was one of the last runs I did and I found it the most immersive.
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Post by Dukemon on Mar 10, 2021 0:07:11 GMT
It's probably a little bit about kitsch, but my main playthrough includes a Shepard that this song goes with, Brave Heart. Probably this Shepard would be called a disgusting Paragon. But that's a matter of perspective, especially in ME2. If the LE is worth buying, I will replay my main character there again to have a save game with said one.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 19, 2021 22:30:58 GMT
I picked Mixed - Nothing is Cut and Dried, but I think using terms like "Paragade" and "Renegon" but give a better sense. I'm Paragade. Mostly Paragon but there are some Renegade options I can't do without.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 20, 2021 1:51:17 GMT
I picked Mixed - Nothing is Cut and Dried, but I think using terms like "Paragade" and "Renegon" but give a better sense. I'm Paragade. Mostly Paragon but there are some Renegade options I can't do without. At times I do find it...funny I guess IS the best word...but I also tend to view "Paragde" or "Renegon" in terms of what sounds better. For instance even when my Shepard is more Renegade then Paragon I still tend to refer to her as 'Paragade' too...though there are times I am tempted to switch because I think 'Renegon' actually sounds better.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Mar 20, 2021 20:56:10 GMT
Always paragon first playthrough and renegade second
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 18:10:23 GMT
Neat poll, I am a mixed Paragade, probably 65/35.
Nothing is that cut and dry, and only the Sith deal in absolutes.
Regarding ME2 renegade interrupts for Thane and Garrus recruitment - kill them funny, or kill them with a bullet to the head. They are going to try and stop me one way or another, so in these cases I appreciate the humor but my Shepard is also a pragmatist. Less enemies in a firefight is better for my squads chances, so I will take every gimme every time.
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Post by fistoffiori on Apr 3, 2021 13:53:38 GMT
Mine is paragon leaning, does the paragon action a majority of the time, but goes Rnegade sometimes - punching the journalist, knocking out that Blue Suns guy in the 'Archangel' mission, Miranda's loyalty mission, Udina . Thinking of doing it differently in LE (next month, eeee!), go quite renegade and have a few paragon moments.
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Post by duskwanderer on Apr 3, 2021 14:02:42 GMT
Mostly Paragon. I would say, however, that the decisions I have that are "Rengeade" aren't really Renegade, but pragmatic.
I kill Wrex, but that's because this is a serious mission and I'm not in the mood for him to ruin it. Ashley kills him because that is her job. I am supportive, not because I wanted Wrex dead, but I believe that good work is to be encouraged. As they say, incentivize the behavior you want.
Most of the ME1 quests are resolved Paragon, I Charm Talitha and let her take the medicine herself: That's actually going to be very helpful to her recovery.
In ME2, I destroy the geth on Legion's sidequest because if they've been hacked once with a virus, they can be hacked again. Nothing stops the Reapers from making another virus.
On Jacob's mission, I leave him to the feral males. I can accept the initial decision of giving them the toxic food, but the second the radio was active, it should've sent a signal. Ronald deserves no pity.
I destroy the geophage research because people who know much more about this show us the krogan population boom results in war. Wreav and all those people (hell, even Wrex) show us they'll just take whatever they want. So no cure.
Kelly Chambers is told to change her identity because she needs to understand Cerberus isn't playing around. Thanks to Reaper tech, it's not her grandma's Cerberus, and that needs to be accepted.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 3, 2021 14:11:26 GMT
I kill Wrex, but that's because this is a serious mission and I'm not in the mood for him to ruin it. Ashley kills him because that is her job. I am supportive, not because I wanted Wrex dead, but I believe that good work is to be encouraged. As they say, incentivize the behavior you want. Wrex is one of the reasons I don't cure the genophage. I destroy it to get more resources. My goal is to stop the reapers. If the reapers aren't dealt with, who cares if the cure is sabotaged or not.
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Post by duskwanderer on Apr 3, 2021 14:27:24 GMT
I kill Wrex, but that's because this is a serious mission and I'm not in the mood for him to ruin it. Ashley kills him because that is her job. I am supportive, not because I wanted Wrex dead, but I believe that good work is to be encouraged. As they say, incentivize the behavior you want. Wrex is one of the reasons I don't cure the genophage. I destroy it to get more resources. My goal is to stop the reapers. If the reapers aren't dealt with, who cares if the cure is sabotaged or not. Hmm? I'm not sure how destroying the cure gets your more resources.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 3, 2021 14:31:55 GMT
Wrex is one of the reasons I don't cure the genophage. I destroy it to get more resources. My goal is to stop the reapers. If the reapers aren't dealt with, who cares if the cure is sabotaged or not. Hmm? I'm not sure how destroying the cure gets your more resources. Taking the offer the dalatross mentions. Doing that gets salarian assets.
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Post by duskwanderer on Apr 3, 2021 15:09:44 GMT
Hmm? I'm not sure how destroying the cure gets your more resources. Taking the offer the dalatross mentions. Doing that gets salarian assets. Oh, I thought you were talking about Maelon's research. My mistake.
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