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Post by lordmoral on Oct 28, 2021 16:13:49 GMT
The Normandy was the stories' home and a similar ship could be created. I still get goosebumps on ME2/ME2LE when I see the SR-2 every time, the Normandy SSV1 was destroyed by what felt less than a day to Shepard, he joins Cerberus out of need and then finds Joker who shows us our new home, God how I would have love to have one scene of the SR-2 docking on the Citadel and A/K are just there looking to the stars with a duffle bag next to them and the ship passes in their face, shocked as how the ship broke their concentration they quickly focus and see it is the new Normandy which is docking. As they approach with their duffel they look at the walkway entrance and the Cerberus colors yet their eyes focus on the scars the ship suffered and they stand frozen next to the ship entrance looking at the ship hull that they don't notice Shepard coming from the inside with his squad (all the possible 12 survivors). With datapads in hand (and taking Mordin, Samara and Legion to give testimony to the Council while the others go to a R&R round and later the regular crew goes to unwind a bit from their adduction) Shepard runs into the VS and there is a prompt to call them out either awkwardly romantic or just ignore them. Shepard can stand next to them and tell them how they missed a h--- of a battle and if the VS is the LI A/K can either start shedding tears and hug them (ironic after Williams states that she didn't need a shoulder to cry) and if Garrus and Tali are present, hold that, Garrus and Tali come and talk with the VS about how they have been and A/K are actually shocked to see Tali and give them the chance to talk, then Shepard receives a call by a pair of C-Sec officers telling that the Council is waiting for the Testimony of Shepard and the three invited (given Tali research on Haestrom she is also extended an invitation after she finishes her talk with A/K. If you have read my other posts about what I would have placed after Collectors Base then this is building on that. Sorry for the detour, it is just that calling the Normandy home hit me.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 28, 2021 16:36:00 GMT
Both galaxies' have potential but they require Bioware writers to sit through all their stablished lore and actually plan their s---, after the video of the endings in ME3 I started to realize EA got tired of the multiple s--- Bioware lose creative vision brought to revenue and might have sent that guy (forgot his name) to either oversee its crash or stablish some order. You mean Gary McKay? True. But, lore-wise, it would have more depth. There would be new stories to tell. That's true for Andromeda as well, but, like I said, that world didn't have any impact on me. Now that the leviathans are a thing, what happens to them? The yagh were already smart enough as the Shadow Broker. The raloi may be still there on Turvess. How about the Virtual Alien? Could it have survived the reaper's beams, aboard its starship? Are there new species out there? If technology is available to travel to Andromeda then it must be possible to explore the MW in the same way, without the need for relays. The Citadel was interesting as a hub world and plot device, but is it required for a new title? I don't think so. The Normandy was the stories' home and a similar ship could be created. I understand but lore alone won't prop up the franchise. You can build lore. It's not going to be enough. The things they ruined were integral to the setting. The Relays, for example, were a great filter for how much of the galaxy we could explore and why traveling from system to system without them was prohibitive, in the game's timeframe. If what would take weeks to traverse, is now a matter of a couple of days from your current location, that means that the developers will have to account for a far larger piece of the Milky Way than before, increasing development exponentially, because there is no excuse not to travel everywhere. There are in-universe implications to the design decisions needed to be made, that cannot be simply overlooked or handwaved away. There are problems you can't work around. You'll either have to be confined in one cluster, or the whole galaxy is your playground, under the current situation and there's no in-between. As for the races, I am not particularly as invested in the Yagh or the Raloi or the virtual aliens. Maybe more than the Angara, but the potential of a teaser is not appealing. When that potential may or may not take place at all and is still 5-6 years away. And even then, what am I even supposed to expect? Even if the Yagh end up being supreme rulers of the Milky Way with asari bitches as concubines, is that a compelling start point? I don't know anything about this world, this far into the future. It may as well be a new franchise, altogether. In fact, I would be more accepting of a new franchise. At least then, it could be entirely free of the trilogy's burden and unfair comparisons. The only advantage that it has over a new franchise is that some things that we have a glancing knowledge of, still exist. Or maybe they all died in the meantime. It's all so vague and so up in the air of what I am supposed to expect, when it honestly is just going to be Ark 6 guy, trying to get to Andromeda and some other faction is trying to get a hold of that relay ship, so they can escape the Milky Way, but if they get to Andromeda, they are going to fuck it up. I mean, it's so predictable, what they can do with what they've set up. And all that is done, so they can bring Liara along for the potential sequels. This is not an appealing prospect.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 28, 2021 16:39:46 GMT
I think the main issue is not the background info but if the current ME writers will be able to write a good story within the context of ME lore I expect it to be entirely generic and predictable.
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Post by lordmoral on Oct 28, 2021 17:07:44 GMT
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Oct 28, 2021 17:18:38 GMT
... It's all so vague and so up in the air of what I am supposed to expect, when it honestly is just going to be Ark 6 guy, trying to get to Andromeda and some other faction is trying to get a hold of that relay ship, so they can escape the Milky Way, but if they get to Andromeda, they are going to fuck it up. I mean, it's so predictable, what they can do with what they've set up. And all that is done, so they can bring Liara along for the potential sequels. This is not an appealing prospect. Of course I know that Andromeda is involved. Lore isn't everything. Sure. Do I like the setting? No. It seems that you are not a fan of it either. There are still stories to be told in the Milky Way. There are plenty of links there. Others have supplied those earlier too. And the Andromeda races make me yawn. So, even though ME has left the MW, I rather wish it stayed there. Is it going to happen? Nah. Everything depends on the capabilities of the writers. They really need some good ones, because the existing ones lost their magic. And that magic won't happen in crunch-time. That's a myth.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 28, 2021 17:42:43 GMT
I wish I could share your optimist. I wish I could believe that Bioware will just let all their old writers off and hire new ones that turn the writing upside down and Bioware makes a huge come back, but I don't see Bioware doing that, or any writing team, while working at Bioware, doing that, regardless of crunch or not.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Nov 2, 2021 6:25:21 GMT
I wish I could share your optimist. I wish I could believe that Bioware will just let all their old writers off and hire new ones that turn the writing upside down and Bioware makes a huge come back, but I don't see Bioware doing that, or any writing team, while working at Bioware, doing that, regardless of crunch or not. Yet some of them have left already:
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Nov 2, 2021 7:21:20 GMT
I wish I could share your optimist. I wish I could believe that Bioware will just let all their old writers off and hire new ones that turn the writing upside down and Bioware makes a huge come back, but I don't see Bioware doing that, or any writing team, while working at Bioware, doing that, regardless of crunch or not.Definately not -especially after Drew Karpyshyn told us the current state of Bioware last year... Including the reasons he left Bioware: Yep. If all true I am done with Bioware for good.
I gave them one last chance -DA4.
Yet it is likely going to be a shell of itself.
Which may be all so true if...
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Nov 2, 2021 7:51:50 GMT
I wish I could share your optimist. I wish I could believe that Bioware will just let all their old writers off and hire new ones that turn the writing upside down and Bioware makes a huge come back, but I don't see Bioware doing that, or any writing team, while working at Bioware, doing that, regardless of crunch or not. Anyway this Bioware stuff will be only of a trivial interest anyway... Since we now have two studios created by previous Bioware employees. Though slightly more have gone over to Archtypes Entertainment IMO: At the least Archtypes Entertainment has a more functional website.
Humanoid stuidios still looks like its in the planning stages.... I personally think it would be better if they could pool their resources into one studio. Though there are probably many logistical reasons this can't be... Primarily among those being one is in Canada and the other in Texas -if I got that correct. I do like the looks of Archtypes Entertainments new IP game photos: Feels very Mass Effect-ish. Also it looks like its going to be sci-fi so that is a bonus.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 2, 2021 9:48:15 GMT
I don't know. These two aren't the only studios to have former Bioware devs in them. And since they've produced nothing, it's difficult to get invested in them. And even then, just because they left Bioware, does it mean they can produce anything of quality, or that they pushed back against anything anti-consumer in their games? Or even that out of all the Bioware employees, these where the ones that didn't consider us racist and sexist and dumb. I don't think any of these studios have it in them, to produce something as promising as what Bioware once did. And even then, I have no attachment to it and little trust that they can earn it. It's a little difficult to get excited about something that is, most likely, not going to come close to what they use to make. It is entirely possible that their best days are all behind them.
I wish them success. They'll probably have to find it, without me.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 2, 2021 9:53:25 GMT
I don't know. These two aren't the only studios to have former Bioware devs in them. And since they've produced nothing, it's difficult to get invested in them. And even then, just because they left Bioware, does it mean they can produce anything of quality, or that they pushed back against anything anti-consumer in their games? Or even that out of all the Bioware employees, these where the ones that didn't consider us racist and sexist and dumb. I don't think any of these studios have it in them, to produce something as promising as what Bioware once did. And even then, I have to attachment to it and little trust that they can earn it. It's a little difficult to get excited about something that is, most likely, not going to come close to what they use to make. It is entirely possible that their best days are all behind them. I wish them success. They'll probably have to find it, without me. Even more so with Hudson apart of one those studios. Seeing as he was one of the two that put the ME franchise in the state it is in today.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 2, 2021 10:01:33 GMT
It is hard to want to support something from "the people that use to work in that one studio nobody likes, that made that thing that you really hate". Maybe they're all great and talented people. They've done me no favours. And especially since they are going to start their own IP, which I know nothing about and have no trust in them delivering it, maybe when their trilogy, or whatever they intend to do with it, ends, I'll look into it, if it actually was good. I just don't trust them.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 2, 2021 10:05:55 GMT
It is hard to want to support something from "the people that use to work in that one studio nobody likes, that made that thing that you really hate". Maybe they're all great and talented people. They've done me no favours. And especially since they are going to start their own IP, which I know nothing about and have no trust in them delivering it, maybe when their trilogy, or whatever they intend to do with it, ends, I'll look into it, if it actually was good. I just don't trust them. Indeed. Why waste money on something that'll just laugh at you, while flipping the bird at you, at the end and then demand that you spend even more on DLC afterwards.
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Post by AnDromedary on Nov 2, 2021 15:23:05 GMT
I don't know. These two aren't the only studios to have former Bioware devs in them. And since they've produced nothing, it's difficult to get invested in them. And even then, just because they left Bioware, does it mean they can produce anything of quality, or that they pushed back against anything anti-consumer in their games? Or even that out of all the Bioware employees, these where the ones that didn't consider us racist and sexist and dumb. I don't think any of these studios have it in them, to produce something as promising as what Bioware once did. And even then, I have to attachment to it and little trust that they can earn it. It's a little difficult to get excited about something that is, most likely, not going to come close to what they use to make. It is entirely possible that their best days are all behind them. I wish them success. They'll probably have to find it, without me. Even more so with Hudson apart of one those studios. Seeing as he was one of the two that put the ME franchise in the state it is in today. State that it is in today? As in ... existence? As much hate as Hudson often gets for his part in the endings, let's not forget that he also was the lead on the trilogy that came before them. And with all its mistakes, I still think the trilogy is one of the huge milestones in gaming (especially in terms of storytelling) in the last 20 years.
So while he certainly isn't perfect, I still have a lot of respect for the man.
That said, I do agree, just because a studio was founded by some prominent former figures of another studio, it doesn't mean they will inevitably transfer the quality or style to their new games. Often it's simply a budgetary issue as a lot of those new studios at least start out as indies and don't have the resources to create the AAA material the old one did. But often also people either change, want to follow a different vision or the old games were simply a team effort including a lot of factors this one guy or these few guys cannot reproduce on their own. In fact, I have yet to see one of those studios founded by prominent developer veterans that immediately delivered anything noteworthy. Some did after a while so there is certainly potential there but I also wouldn't expect Archetype or any of these other studios to churn our new Mass Effect quality games anytime soon.
For example, also, that weird musical game Daavid Gaider's studio is making is not for me at all either.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 2, 2021 18:37:39 GMT
Even more so with Hudson apart of one those studios. Seeing as he was one of the two that put the ME franchise in the state it is in today. State that it is in today? As in ... existence? As much hate as Hudson often gets for his part in the endings, let's not forget that he also was the lead on the trilogy that came before them. And with all its mistakes, I still think the trilogy is one of the huge milestones in gaming (especially in terms of storytelling) in the last 20 years.
So while he certainly isn't perfect, I still have a lot of respect for the man.
That said, I do agree, just because a studio was founded by some prominent former figures of another studio, it doesn't mean they will inevitably transfer the quality or style to their new games. Often it's simply a budgetary issue as a lot of those new studios at least start out as indies and don't have the resources to create the AAA material the old one did. But often also people either change, want to follow a different vision or the old games were simply a team effort including a lot of factors this one guy or these few guys cannot reproduce on their own. In fact, I have yet to see one of those studios founded by prominent developer veterans that immediately delivered anything noteworthy. Some did after a while so there is certainly potential there but I also wouldn't expect Archetype or any of these other studios to churn our new Mass Effect quality games anytime soon.
For example, also, that weird musical game Daavid Gaider's studio is making is not for me at all either.
Actually, Legacy of Kain holds the title of best video game storytelling. In fact, to this day it blows Mass Effect out of the water for its storytelling.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 2, 2021 19:51:17 GMT
Actually, Legacy of Kain holds the title of best video game storytelling. In fact, to this day it blows Mass Effect out of the water for its storytelling. Amy Henning is the, uh, lady? One of the few. And by the few, I don't mean few women. Of the really few talented people that are so talented, you'd wonder what are they doing in this industry, regardless of gender. Very thankful for all of her work. We don't deserve her.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 2, 2021 20:02:30 GMT
Actually, Legacy of Kain holds the title of best video game storytelling. In fact, to this day it blows Mass Effect out of the water for its storytelling. Amy Henning is the, uh, lady? One of the few. And by the few, I don't mean few women. Of the really few talented people that are so talented, you'd wonder what are they doing in this industry, regardless of gender. Very thankful for all of her work. We don't deserve her. I only wish that she'd reboot the LOK franchise.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Nov 2, 2021 23:39:40 GMT
I don't know. These two aren't the only studios to have former Bioware devs in them. And since they've produced nothing, it's difficult to get invested in them. And even then, just because they left Bioware, does it mean they can produce anything of quality, or that they pushed back against anything anti-consumer in their games? Or even that out of all the Bioware employees, these where the ones that didn't consider us racist and sexist and dumb. I don't think any of these studios have it in them, to produce something as promising as what Bioware once did. And even then, I have no attachment to it and little trust that they can earn it. It's a little difficult to get excited about something that is, most likely, not going to come close to what they use to make. It is entirely possible that their best days are all behind them. I wish them success. They'll probably have to find it, without me. Also from what I have seen they have some credibility being as Archtypes Entertainment is owned by Wizards of the Coast LLC. A company that as far as I know has a rich RPG legacy.
One down side is the master of both of these is now Hasbro.
While that doesn't give them credence I will conceed...
They have at least THREE Bioware employees of some repute: Chad Robertson, General Manager James Ohlen, Head of Studio Drew Karpyshyn -a writer of some level maybe lead writer. These three guys been in the business long enough to know the things to do and not do.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Nov 2, 2021 23:40:10 GMT
It is hard to want to support something from "the people that use to work in that one studio nobody likes, that made that thing that you really hate". Maybe they're all great and talented people. They've done me no favours. And especially since they are going to start their own IP, which I know nothing about and have no trust in them delivering it, maybe when their trilogy, or whatever they intend to do with it, ends, I'll look into it, if it actually was good. I just don't trust them.What has Bioware done since ME3 to give you their undying trust? That aside...
I get it.
Trust has to be earned.
However trust can also be lost.
That goes for businesses and people alike they are not mutually exclusive. When people are not heard or respected in a place what do they usually do? Fight -not possible in this insane society.
Leave and start anew -the only sane course right now.
There is two studios that proves this point above: Remember HOMEWORLD by Relic Entertainment owned by Sierra Entertainment. Both of which folded about 2008 and bought under THQ till about 2013.
Which filed for bankruptcy about that time and has since folded.
But the employees from Relic Entertainment reformed into a new studio: Blackbird Interactive under Gearbox.
Then a few years ago we got: And now we are getting
Another studio was Papyrus -also under Sierra Entertainment. They were responsible for the Nascar games among other things. They were folded like so many others. However the employees formed their own studio that has gone on to be profitable.
And with how many people have left Bioware and are continuing to leave Bioware... I will put it frankly: It is a HUSK of its former self.
Granted. Maybe they will pull a rabbit out of their hat. Yet we have already seen ME:A and Anthem be lukewarm games in comparison to MET or DA 1-3.
I have no trust in the company Bioware at this point. But I will trust the people who originally built the company and will follow where they go.
For me I will trust the people over the company. Where the people go I will follow...
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 2, 2021 23:44:14 GMT
Also from what I have seen they have some credibility being as Archtypes Entertainment is owned by Wizards of the Coast LLC. That's great. Because when I think WotC, now I relate it to wheelchair accessible dungeons and how, apparently, their orks are "code" for black people. In other words, they are idiots and racists. So no. I want to have nothing to do with them.
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Post by lordmoral on Nov 3, 2021 0:02:04 GMT
It always amazed me how Ashley and Kaidan (I will be referring to Ashley after this) can't both be with the Normandy or in the Task Force Hackett asks them to lead like, if Ashley (who was actually growing in her military career without Shepard help) managed to climb to LC likely due to all the promotion points she got early in her career but got squashed by the Brass due to her last name and even gained the Spectre status yet, she doesn't want that and actually is begging to return after she knows messed up (of you went to talk to them and easily managed to convince her).
Wouldn't it had made story sense to have her do joint missions between the Normandy and her squad of Noobs? I realize there is a lot of cut content for Ashley Williams that OG ME3 and LE3 modders keep finding and restoring so that may have come at some point, but imagine Williams actually growing back her confidence to lead men and women into battle (text adventures like in ME1 only this time with deploying Williams (and one of your squad) for a non interactive mission and if they were successful you get a cash reward for aiding the Alliance and if you fail you can't use those two squadmembers for one mission/Citadel visit.
What determines the success is the intel you manage to obtain by scanning the place and how your conversations with them go or better yet, a text interactive mission where her team can grow up to have a strength of 200 or be completely wiped out with her sacrificing so that the squadmate escapes.
Edit: Kaidan would have something similar in his case. This interactive text adventure system would be like ME1 when we discovered items on planets and such. It would also give an answer as to why both Kaidan and Ashley need a small side quest like a quick date while barely being able to talk in the Normandy, how could they when every time they are approached on the War Room and their quarters and start talking they get paged by their teams, Hackett and the Council and thus leave Shepard and the VS few moments in the Normandy to be around each other besides missions.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Nov 3, 2021 2:58:58 GMT
Also from what I have seen they have some credibility being as Archtypes Entertainment is owned by Wizards of the Coast LLC. That's great. Because when I think WotC, now I relate it to wheelchair accessible dungeons and how, apparently, their orks are "code" for black people. In other words, they are idiots and racists. So no. I want to have nothing to do with them. Granted the are mainly a RPG game maker and publisher.
Their lineage is not something to be disrespected:
Dungeons & Dragons Franchise. Ghostbusters (role-playing game) Forgotten Realms Legend of the Five Rings
Star Wars Roleplaying Game
Pokémon Trading Card Games
Magic: The Gathering Arena
Magic: The Gathering Online Planescape If you have not played these then you don't know true RPG...
Probably came in on the ME2 bandwagon didn't you?
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Nov 3, 2021 3:35:26 GMT
Also from what I have seen they have some credibility being as Archtypes Entertainment is owned by Wizards of the Coast LLC. That's great. Because when I think WotC, now I relate it to wheelchair accessible dungeons and how, apparently, their orks are "code" for black people. In other words, they are idiots and racists. So no. I want to have nothing to do with them. I don't understand what the skin pigmentation of a sub species of elves has to do with anything. Really... being idiots I can't confirm or deny. However... Racist?
This holds no water anymore. It actually no longer has the stigma it should. To prove that validity I ask four questions: Do you know the skin color of EVERYONE who works in WOTWC? Have you have met EVERYONE who works in WOTWC and their families? You know the way they act, speak and do you know each of their kids names? Do you know their ideals? I doubt it is so. Thus you can't say anything about them anymore than you can about Bioware's employees you don't know. It is more accurate to think that you ASSUME this... I seriously think you lack the financial resources or desire to be a peeping tom on all their houses and families. That or you are just trying to bait this into a longer discussion... A discussion that will go round and round to which I will say no. I have said what needed to be said and I will not be baited. So go on and spout, whine and cry if you want.
It will help you none with me.
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