What are your too ***SPICY*** to handle hot takes of the trilogy?

Only so far as the harvests don't include them, and they know that the Reapers won't stop the harvest until they have harvested the remaining Leviathans. If they were truly interested in helping the Reapers along with their 'prime directive' then they wouldn't have joined up with Shepard and the rest of the galaxy to fight them.


My take from the DLC is that the Leviathans have been secretly looking for a way to stop the harvests in a way that benefits only them. Their encounter with the Rachni must have offered them enough of a chance at taking the Citadel, and putting a hold on the cycles so they could rise to power, that they risked discovery.

If Leviathan do it's hocus pocus crap to that one reaper in the dlc making it inert, why not do that way back when? Why not get a hold of the species during one of the cycles to help them deal with their mistake? Then again Leviathan suffer from politician syndrome, the big head, believing everything they do and say without giving any thought to the possible consequences.

Of course how long did it take to have their I spy with my little eye orbs to be placed all over the galaxy? I would guess if they can make a reaper inert, the reapers would know where to find Leviathan. I believe they were in a good spot. Lure the oversized robots to face the jedi mind track of Leviathan. That is hard to do now with the numbers the reapers have. The first few cycles they wouldn't have much trouble. The problem is Leviathan never existed until ME3.

The only reason the Reapers are insistent on harvesting the Leviathans is because they are a significant threat. The Levithans can kill Reapers with ease. Of course the Reapers want them removed. The Leviathans could literally go anywhere and wipe out all traces, which they've done for the last billion years.

From the wiki:

"As the Leviathans hid, they surreptitiously enthralled subsequent species to erase the remaining evidence of their existence. Resigned to the Reapers' reign, they focused their efforts on ensuring the survival of their species, watching the galaxy through organic "artifacts" for signs of their discovery. Though they had the power to destroy Reapers, demonstrated when they killed the Leviathan of Dis, the Leviathans declined to aid the galaxy's species against the Reapers."

"Realizing that the Reapers fear Shepard for defeating Sovereign and the Collectors, other Leviathans reveal themselves. Together, they agree to aid the galaxy in the war against the Reapers because they still consider themselves the galaxy's apex race, not out of a desire to help "lesser species." The Reapers will pay their tribute in blood, and the Leviathans swear to make slaves out of any Reaper daring to trespass on their domain. As Shepard departs the planet, the Leviathans turn a Brute against other husks and use their artifacts to transmit a powerful pulse that disables an attacking Reaper Capital Ship, illustrating their power. "

We're absolutely not looking at a race that is afraid of the Reapers. They initially lost because the attack against them was a surprise. Then they fled to survive but we know the Leviathans we met are the descendants of the ones from a billion years ago. We saw a few on Despoina but I have a really hard time believing that all of them live there. The Leviathan of Dis, which they killed, was in the Hades Gamma Cluster. Despoina is in Sigurd's Cradle. One is near the top center of the galaxy and the other the lower right.

Then there's Mahavid. The Leviathans were definitely there in the recent past. No art painted on rock from the beyond the Prothean Cycle (and probably not even that long) was going to survive so long. That means the Leviathans still had thralls in those places. The Leviathans really only have to hide for the couple hundred years the Reapers are around and can roam free from almost the entirety of 50,000 years. They could easily have conquered the galaxy. Yet they don't take over. Why? Because a solution hasn't been found to the organic/synthetic problem. Everything is there to tell us that the Leviathans not only don't fear the Reapers but could bring the galaxy to its knees easily.

I don't like Garrus all that much, not that I hate him, but he's getting way too much attention for my liking. I usually have him killed in the Suicide Mission.

I don't like the voice of Jennifer Hale, I would much rather have female Shepard be voiced by Laura Bailey.

Not curing the genophage is as paragon a choice as curing it.

The game focuses on krogan aggression as the cause of the Krogan Rebellions and acts as if Wrex and Eve being alive means history won't repeat itself, however, the Krogan Rebellions didn't happen just due to krogan culture at the time; it happened because the krogan reproduce too quickly for them to overpopulate a world that's not as deadly as Tuchanka. The krogan were given the Rachni worlds, but due to their birth rate, those worlds became overpopulated, so the krogan needed more worlds because they were running out of resources. Because the krogans were aggressive, they targeted worlds already populated. You're curing the genophage, you're not moderating it, so the problem's still there: the krogan still have an out-of-control birthdate and expecting them to settle on death worlds, like Tuchanka, is unreasonable, so overpopulation is going to be a problem again as are resource scarcity.

Curing the genophage is paragon because you're making the optimistic call that there'll be some way to avoid this problem and you trust the krogan. That doesn't necessarily make it a naive one: it's still a practical choice because that same explosive birth rate gives them a good chance against the Reapers both as frontline fighte and in general, surviving the war (that might claim all the other races) If you sabotage the cure, you're choosing to believe that the war can be won which would mean curing the genophage is dangerous to the galaxy, especially one where the other races and their population numbers have been left devastated by the Reapers. 

Also, the turians deploying the genophage is completely understandable and quite frankly, justifiable in their situation. It's damn unfair that you can't point this out. The genophange isn't genocide because it's not what's causing the krogan extinction and it wasn't made to wipe out them as a culture or as a species (that doesn't mean the genophage isn't horrible on the krogan due to its emotional and psychological trauma, especially the way it causes stillbirths instead of just lower fertility)

The krogans were bombing turian colonies with asteroids: it's stated to have rendered at least three worlds completely uninhabitable. The krogan were the aggressors, the krogans were the ones invading other planets to conquer them and the krogan ambassador literally dared the other races to take back their worlds so there was no diplomatic solution.

Wrex got a right to be angry about the galaxy uplifted his people because it definitely played a part in the the Krogan Rebellions happening since it likely created what caused the problem in the first place: if the krogan had become space-faring in their own time and colonized other worlds, their biology might have adapted to less hostile worlds or they'd have found a way to limit it, to prevent rapid overpopulation. Wrex, however, also presents the krogan as basically innocent in what led to the genophage, to the point where he says that as thanks for saving the galaxy for the Rachni, they neuthered the krogan. He frames it as if the council was ungrateful or did it because they didn't like the krogan. In reality, the Krogan Rebellions didn't happen for at least 300 years, the council gave worlds to the krogans, only took issue with krogan expansion when it affected already populated worlds (before then, the krogan had been allowed to expand freely for 300 years), they didn't even jump to conflict straightaway after the first worlds were invaded, and the genophage was deployed as a last resort because every other method had either failed or been exhausted (the genophage was deployed after a century of fighting the Krogan Rebellions) 

It's weird that, even in the first game where you can play Shepard as a space racist, you can't point this out to Wrex when you disagree with him.

(The other races are in the wrong for only maintaining the genophage instead of working on a way to make it simply lower fertility instead of its horror-inducing effects on pregnancies)

People understate the flaws of ME2 and 3's main questlines.

This. It's been so hard to complete my Legendary run of ME2 because the main questline just drags down the whole experience. I actually found myself skipping through cutscenes because I hate the conversations with the Illusive Man so much since Shepard isn't allowed to point out jack and obvious shit. 

Illusive Man: The Alliance isn't doing anything to stop the abductions.
Shepard: Really? Because I've just been to Horizon and the Alliance was installing anti-ship cannons specifically to try to protect the colony. In fact, the cannons actually worked to repel the Collector's ship. The Alliance just wasn't prepared for the thousands of tiny paralyzers. While we are on that subject, is there a reason you didn't share the information we learned on the Collectors with the Alliance? Could have sworn you said you were trying to protect humanity. You knew all along Ashley Williams would be there!

Here's another too-spicy take to go along with my genophage one: Mass Effect 2 is objectively terrible as the midquel part of a trilogy because it contributes so little to the trilogy's overall story. You can love the game, you can hate the game, you can love and hate the game, but it objectively sucks as a trilogy piece. 

I know people who think ME2 is the best of the series believe it doesn't fit well in the middle. I've even heard ME3 referred to as "ME1, part 2".

A better option would have been to have the Collectors as the initial threat. Shepard uncovers info about the Reapers, who are the masters of the Collectors. Maybe the Council doesn't believe it, which is more realistic than how they treat the Reaper threat in ME1 and, especially, ME2. With the Collectors defeated, the Reapers send in the geth and destroy the SR1. Shep still ends up with TIM but the logic for why is different.

Knowing everything we know about how that ending was handled, he probably didn't.

god every second comment saying " why can't we romance Jack as femshep?" Really does my head in. Maybe because she's straight and doesn't want to date a woman.