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Post by kotoreffect3 on May 26, 2021 17:52:40 GMT
Sometimes I wonder if I am the only ME fan that likes all 4 games. I don't like them equally of course and I have my preferences but it seems like people like talking about the ones they don't like more than the ones they like.
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Sometimes I wonder if I am the only ME fan that likes all 4 games. I don't like them equally of course and I have my preferences but it seems like people like talking about the ones they don't like more than the ones they like. Likewise
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Post by michaeln7 on May 26, 2021 18:04:07 GMT
Sometimes I wonder if I am the only ME fan that likes all 4 games. I don't like them equally of course and I have my preferences but it seems like people like talking about the ones they don't like more than the ones they like. You're not alone my friend. I can't even begin to count how many "internet friends" I've lost to this fickleness.
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Sometimes I wonder if I am the only ME fan that likes all 4 games. I don't like them equally of course and I have my preferences but it seems like people like talking about the ones they don't like more than the ones they like. I certainly like, nah love, all four games. It's just some are better than others. To use movie examples, I love all the Star Wars films but can still easily say Attack of the Clones is the worst. Even among favorites, one has to be the least favorite.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on May 26, 2021 18:15:52 GMT
Sometimes I wonder if I am the only ME fan that likes all 4 games. I don't like them equally of course and I have my preferences but it seems like people like talking about the ones they don't like more than the ones they like. I certainly like, nah love, all four games. It's just some are better than others. To use movie examples, I love all the Star Wars films but can still easily say Attack of the Clones is the worst. Even among favorites, one has to be the least favorite. I am not denying that we have preferences. But how often do people mention their favorite ME game compared to their least favorite ME game? I guarantee you here that you read more about the "flaws" of the ones people like less than you see them talking about the ones they like. I wonder if some posters even like any of them.
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Post by quarianmasterrace on May 26, 2021 18:22:11 GMT
Yes the worst things get all the praise and awards and the best things get ridiculed and forgotten. This is how the world works. Floyd Mayweather is a chump the real best of all time is like Robin Deakin or some other random guy with a negative record nobody cares about. I like opposite day. Nice use of ad populum. However considering 50 Shades of Grey is one of the best selling books of all time, yet everyone knows they are objectively bad, your argument falls flat. Good to know you actually like MEA, since you say it sucks yet are playing Opposite Day. Stating "ad populum" isn't actually a counterargument. Without presenting a more objective, falsifiable standard as a substitute, it isn't relevant. You'd have to explain why ad populum is not a cogent argument in the case of entertainment media, where the primary purpose is....well....popularity? You must have something, seeing as you applied a standard to declare that 50 Shades is "objectively bad". I've never read/seen that, but it seems to have accomplished the objective of being popular and making its author a lot of money. Albiet, it is a critical failure, but if that is your "objective" standard for media, than MEA is likewise "objectively bad" compared to ME2, the one you say is "worst". Unless your standard is arbitrary? I didn't actually state my opinion of MEA (if you want it, like most critics I'd say it's mediocre, opposite day or no). Where did I say "it sucks"?
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Sometimes I wonder if I am the only ME fan that likes all 4 games. I don't like them equally of course and I have my preferences but it seems like people like talking about the ones they don't like more than the ones they like. This. Its like "well thats godlike, and thats just total trash" which makes me go I like some of them more than rest. They are all there at the top of the heap as far as much games I've played and play.
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Post by colfoley on May 26, 2021 19:12:32 GMT
Sometimes I wonder if I am the only ME fan that likes all 4 games. I don't like them equally of course and I have my preferences but it seems like people like talking about the ones they don't like more than the ones they like. le shocked gasp. All the effort i expend waxing eoloquent on how awesome Andromeda is and how great the RP is and you think you're alone?
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Post by sjsharp2010 on May 26, 2021 20:03:52 GMT
I certainly like, nah love, all four games. It's just some are better than others. To use movie examples, I love all the Star Wars films but can still easily say Attack of the Clones is the worst. Even among favorites, one has to be the least favorite. I am not denying that we have preferences. But how often do people mention their favorite ME game compared to their least favorite ME game? I guarantee you here that you read more about the "flaws" of the ones people like less than you see them talking about the ones they like. I wonder if some posters even like any of them. Yeah I agree withtha ti tdoes make yo uwonde rbecause my least favouriet ME game is actually ME1 bu tI still like it a heck of a lot jus tnot as much a sthe res tof the trilogy or Andromeda. OIt's one of the reasons why I still play it whenever I do my trilogy runs. I doubt tha twi ll change in the LE either whren I d oeventuaslly get started on it. I nfact currently downloading the LE now onto my system though it is taking a while. It looks like it's going t obe on eof those occasions wher I'm going t ohave to wait the whole day for it to download. Just as well I'm in the middle of a ME3 run anywa ys owon' tb eready to play it for a while.
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Sometimes I wonder if I am the only ME fan that likes all 4 games. I don't like them equally of course and I have my preferences but it seems like people like talking about the ones they don't like more than the ones they like. Personally I only like ME1 and 2. I can tolerate 3, more so because of the MP. But as for Andromeda, it's just so dull.
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Post by acehilator on May 26, 2021 21:24:35 GMT
ME3 is the best of the trilogy by far if you manage to forget the last 10min. I hope the modding community manages to make an ending mod for the LE version, lol.
I actually kind of like MEA (love the graphics, art style/art direction, gameplay is decent, crafting system is needlessly convoluted but very nice), but it's still the worst of the four.
- It has the same giant plot holes you can fit the Citadel through as the other installments, so no improvement on that front. - Characters are easily the least interesting out of all four games by a pretty wide margin. Peebee is the worst character in any ME game, Cora and Liam can also GDIAF, Vetra could be interesting but doesn't get much screentime, Jaal is barely average but nothing more, so Drack has to carry the ensemble by himself (thankfully he is build for it) - The main story has what I call "Deus Ex: Mankind Divided syndrome": it ends when it gets interesting, and it is overshadowed by more interesting teasers (re: full might of the Kett empire, potential Kett Civil War) - Secondary stories are nothing to write home about and suffer from messy writing and bad world building (re: plot holes). - The character-focused stories are worse than ME2, also by a wide margin. Maybe I would like them better if the characters were more interesting.
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Post by Gileadan on May 26, 2021 21:48:17 GMT
There are different things I like and dislike about all the Mass Effect games, but in the end none of them were as exciting to me as playing ME1 for the first time. Yeah, a bit of its intro sequence was taken right out of Top Gun, but watching it made giddy to start playing, even on subsequent playthroughs.
Then ME3 came along and let it all go out with a pathetic whimper, and MEA picked up right where it left off.
I need to go and watch the ME1 intro again to remind myself of the good old times, just as I occasionally watch the DAO intro to remind myself that Wardens weren't always bumbling idiots.
And I still hope that the next ME will, somehow, turn out to be great.
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Post by abaris on May 26, 2021 21:56:22 GMT
ME3 is the best of the trilogy by far if you manage to forget the last 10min. I hope the modding community manages to make an ending mod for the LE version, lol. I actually kind of like MEA (love the graphics, art style/art direction, gameplay is decent, crafting system is needlessly convoluted but very nice), but it's still the worst of the four. - It has the same giant plot holes you can fit the Citadel through as the other installments, so no improvement on that front. - Characters are easily the least interesting out of all four games by a pretty wide margin. Peebee is the worst character in any ME game, Cora and Liam can also GDIAF, Vetra could be interesting but doesn't get much screentime, Jaal is barely average but nothing more, so Drack has to carry the ensemble by himself (thankfully he is build for it) - The main story has what I call "Deus Ex: Mankind Divided syndrome": it ends when it gets interesting, and it is overshadowed by more interesting teasers (re: full might of the Kett empire, potential Kett Civil War) - Secondary stories are nothing to write home about and suffer from messy writing and bad world building (re: plot holes). - The character-focused stories are worse than ME2, also by a wide margin. Maybe I would like them better if the characters were more interesting. Let's put it this way. The game had a lot of potential, but failed on delivering. The most interesting parts stayed unresolved.
The murder of Jien Garson. Unresolved.
The secret funder of the Initiative. Unresolved.
The origin of the Angara. Unresolved.
The lost alien race. Unresolved.
The (un)dead mother. Unresolved.
The purpose of the Kett. Unresolved.
The Quarian Arc. Unresolved.
So all you're left with is a rather uninspired shooter with fetch quests.
In short, the promise was there, but it failed to deliver.
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I’d say ME2 is the worst, though playing this after MEA shows just how much BioWare improved in every aspect of the games with MEA. The story, characters, gameplay, etc are all better in MEA than the Shepard Trilogy. The wraith is better than the claymore, Jurassic world is better than jurassic park, ghostbusters 2016 is better than ghostbusters 1984, def leopard is the greatest metal band of all time, and breast reduction is better than breast implants.
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Post by Kabraxal on May 26, 2021 22:08:34 GMT
ME2>MEA>ME1>ME3
I love all four, but ME3’s ending and lack of balls to hamper the player based on the previous games and then letting us have the squad we want will always make it last. ME1 was my second favourite for so long but replaying Andromeda then MELE has shown that Andromeda is simply ME1’s style but with better exploration, combat, and a far more in depth cast of characters and interactions.
Replaying ME2 still has it high, though Andromeda does keep inching up on it with each playthrough. Andromeda is so severely underrated it makes me wonder if we are all playing the same game.
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Post by colfoley on May 26, 2021 22:15:28 GMT
ME3 is the best of the trilogy by far if you manage to forget the last 10min. I hope the modding community manages to make an ending mod for the LE version, lol. I actually kind of like MEA (love the graphics, art style/art direction, gameplay is decent, crafting system is needlessly convoluted but very nice), but it's still the worst of the four. - It has the same giant plot holes you can fit the Citadel through as the other installments, so no improvement on that front. - Characters are easily the least interesting out of all four games by a pretty wide margin. Peebee is the worst character in any ME game, Cora and Liam can also GDIAF, Vetra could be interesting but doesn't get much screentime, Jaal is barely average but nothing more, so Drack has to carry the ensemble by himself (thankfully he is build for it) - The main story has what I call "Deus Ex: Mankind Divided syndrome": it ends when it gets interesting, and it is overshadowed by more interesting teasers (re: full might of the Kett empire, potential Kett Civil War) - Secondary stories are nothing to write home about and suffer from messy writing and bad world building (re: plot holes). - The character-focused stories are worse than ME2, also by a wide margin. Maybe I would like them better if the characters were more interesting. Let's put it this way. The game had a lot of potential, but failed on delivering. The most interesting parts stayed unresolved.
The murder of Jien Garson. Unresolved.
The secret funder of the Initiative. Unresolved.
The origin of the Angara. Unresolved.
The lost alien race. Unresolved.
The (un)dead mother. Unresolved.
The purpose of the Kett. Unresolved.
The Quarian Arc. Unresolved.
So all you're left with is a rather uninspired shooter with fetch quests.
In short, the promise was there, but it failed to deliver.
Now hole up a minute here I do pretty much reject the basic premise of these statements. And well most of this stuff was clearly either A. resolved in the actual game itself or B. set up for future exploration in the sequels. And before the squeal of bad writing for that comes up lets look at what would have happened if ME 1 would've been the only Mass Effect. The Reaper threat- unresolved The Nature of Cerberus- unresolved. The fate of the Protheans- unresolved. The fate of the Council - unresolved ... And this is just the major plot points that I can think of off the top of my head. We live in a world of continued serialized story telling, yes if those games fail to deliver and aren't resolved in future instalments it will leave people wanting but its also the risk we take because the rewards are so much more powerful when people hit home runs with it. In general, at least for me, serialized story telling will always trump episodic storytelling. But if Mass Effect wasn't a critical success then it would be just as unresolved as Andromeda...perhaps even more so. As for the rest though even with the lack of apparent resolution (for now) we still have a terrific, inspired, RPG filled with a cast of interesting fleshed out characters with full written story arcs, a more realistic and nuanced protagonist then Shepard, interesting moral choices baked into the framework of both the side quests and main quests (though in this area perhaps the trilogy over all gets the win) and some pretty fun combat on top of it providing the cherry. I won't say that Andromeda improved on every aspect of the trilogy but they made improvements where it counted and held its ground where it could.
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Post by colfoley on May 26, 2021 22:16:13 GMT
ME2>MEA>ME1>ME3 I love all four, but ME3’s ending and lack of balls to hamper the player based on the previous games and then letting us have the squad we want will always make it last. ME1 was my second favourite for so long but replaying Andromeda then MELE has shown that Andromeda is simply ME1’s style but with better exploration, combat, and a far more in depth cast of characters and interactions. Replaying ME2 still has it high, though Andromeda does keep inching up on it with each playthrough. Andromeda is so severely underrated it makes me wonder if we are all playing the same game. Flip 3 with 1 and that's my list.
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Post by abaris on May 26, 2021 22:20:36 GMT
Now hole up a minute here I do pretty much reject the basic premise of these statements. And well most of this stuff was clearly either A. resolved in the actual game itself or B. set up for future exploration in the sequels. Bold mine. So they didn't deliver, since they abandoned the franchise four months after release. If ME1 had been the only game I would have delivered the same judgment. No replayability, since a major part of the plot stays unresolved. A lot of promise, but utter failure to deliver.
And I would be curious as to what of my list was resolved in the actual game. Point stands, it's an unfinished game.
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Post by marshalmoriarty on May 26, 2021 23:33:33 GMT
For me its ME1, ME2, MEA and ME3 only being included out of politeness.
The more nuanced answer is that I think ME2 is the best overall product but the more hard sci fi feel of ME1 and generally better story make it matter more to me. Plus I blame ME2's abdication of responsibility to advance the main plot for making it impossible for ME3 to achieve any credible conclusion to the trilogy. MEA has many flaws such as a weak story and villains but the open world stuff was fine and the combat plus the personal\vehicular movement were all excellent. The characters worked for the setting IMO even they aren't amazing.
But ME3... just no. Like I said mitigating circumstances but the result is still a dreadful story with no credibility.The Reapers should never have been able to lose from the position they were in. Ununified galaxy, no preparations, Batarians wiped out immediately. Massive technological superiority, indoctrinated sleeper agents, galaxy's only hope being a Macguffin that needs so much manpower and resources that it would be impossible to prevent a single leak of information tipping the Reapers off to simply come and destroy it, the fact they could and usually do seize the Citadel first to rob the galaxy of leadership and the most obvious rallying point yet for some reason don't this time... And still they lose?
Sheperd rolling out of the way of Destroyer beams, Destroyers routinely forgetting they can just fly out of danger, Geth and Quarians reconcile because Sheperd says so, cringe dream sequences of slow mo misty woods... The game is a joke. The endings it has are the endings it deserved. And the Enhanced Ending made even less sense than the original ones.
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ME2>ME1>ME3>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MEA
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Post by colfoley on May 27, 2021 0:22:08 GMT
Now hole up a minute here I do pretty much reject the basic premise of these statements. And well most of this stuff was clearly either A. resolved in the actual game itself or B. set up for future exploration in the sequels. Bold mine. So they didn't deliver, since they abandoned the franchise four months after release. If ME1 had been the only game I would have delivered the same judgment. No replayability, since a major part of the plot stays unresolved. A lot of promise, but utter failure to deliver.
And I would be curious as to what of my list was resolved in the actual game. Point stands, it's an unfinished game.
I just don't think this is a very fair, or reasonable really, standard to have for any piece of entertainment let alone Mass Effect. Though it is also the reason I do tend to believe so strongly in primary plots/ conflicts versus secondary plots. What was the main conflict of Mass Effect 1? To stop Saren and the Geth. Did the game resolve that primary plot line? Yes it did. All that fluff about Cerberus or the Consort or the Council were just secoondary plot lines, interesting in their own right maybe, but not important to the overall game or its completeness. What was the main conflict of Andromeda? To find a home for humanity in Heleus. Did the game resolve this plot line? Yes, it did. All the other stuff about the Benefactor and Jien Garson and even the Kett to some extent was just fluff, interesting as it may be, had nothing to do with the resolution of that main plot and could be explored further in sequels as either primary or secondary plots on their own. And well I can spend all day probably thinking of examples in other media but I hope I have conveyed my point with at least some sufficiency. In short if a game/ movie or tv show is not complete until every single plot line is wrapped up then there has not been a single major complete project through entertainment in something like...70 years. If we were to use your standard. And even if we are to use your standard and apply it to Mass Effect and Andromeda specifically we do not know if they have actually abandoned it. The trailer that dropped in December included references to the Arcs (even more then the ones we know about even), showed pictures of the two galaxies, and we were told by Mike Gamble that these choices were quite deliberate so there is a distinct possibility that they will continue on with the 'sub plots' set up in Andromeda in future installments so, thus by your logic, 'completing' Andromeda. Now this could all be corporate speak or maybe these plot lines will be resolved in such a way as to make people unhappy and thus people will then go on to confuse their personal dislike with the writers leaving these plot lines unresolved (as has been demonstrated by the reaction to other popular franchises) but until we do know these things then we do not know how these plot lines will be resolved or not no matter if we are using your logic or mine.
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ME2 ME3 MEA ME1 is how I rank them ( though in my case I haven't played the LE yet
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Post by shermos on May 27, 2021 2:02:06 GMT
Some of my favourite moments in the trilogy are in ME3. It could have been an all time great game if Bioware had more time to work on it. There are so many mods which improve it out of sight. It's only a matter of time before the best of these find their way over to LE3. In the meantime, LE2 saves will import into original ME3 as long as you don't use any of the new character customisation options.
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