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Post by 14thcommander on May 27, 2021 3:40:28 GMT
ME2 was by far my favorite, the DLC in ME3 is amazing though. I like the destroy ending the best.
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Post by Guardian on May 27, 2021 4:30:20 GMT
ME2 ME3 MEA ME1 is how I rank them ( though in my case I haven't played the LE yet
Yeah, this is how I rank them too. ME2 is just the best, hands down. Sure, it has a eh plot (and being forced to work with Cerberus), but the characters and the Suicide Mission really just makes it the best. And the combat was a HUGE improvement over ME 1. I lost count how many times I played it (stopped counting after run 25).
ME3 comes in second for the ending alone. That was my biggest gripe with it, and I can ignore it for the sake of the enjoyment of the game. EDIT: The Citadel DLC was a big part of this as well. This kind of makes up for the horrible ending. Not entirely, but it does help.
Andromeda comes in third, with a fair to middling plot (like 2), but the characters were a bit...eh. They weren't terrible, but they just seemed to not grab me. Again, this is just my opinion. However, due to how bad the endings of 3 were, Andromeda isn't that far behind for second place. If the characters had just a bit more...oomph to them to grab me, the two games could easily be tied.
ME1 comes in last, because the combat is HORRIBLE. Good story, but when combat in a game is just....terrible...it makes it not worth playing. Counting both ME and MELE, I've played ME1 a total of 5 times.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on May 27, 2021 6:31:55 GMT
ME2 is my least favorite to actually play.
That being said, it's still a lot of fun and I love it.
I've long since come to terms with the fact that I love Mass Effect. Even when it is stupid, dumb, and/or broken.
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Post by helios969 on May 27, 2021 8:17:29 GMT
My combat ranking would be MEA, ME3, ME2, ME1
My story ranking would be ME2 (if viewed as a stand alone), ME1, ME3 (despite the horrible ending), and MEA
My RP ranking would be ME1, ME2, ME3, and MEA
My overall would be ME2, ME3, ME1, and MEA
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Post by abaris on May 27, 2021 10:10:32 GMT
And even if we are to use your standard and apply it to Mass Effect and Andromeda specifically we do not know if they have actually abandoned it. The trailer that dropped in December included references to the Arcs (even more then the ones we know about even), showed pictures of the two galaxies, and we were told by Mike Gamble that these choices were quite deliberate so there is a distinct possibility that they will continue on with the 'sub plots' set up in Andromeda in future installments so, thus by your logic, 'completing' Andromeda.
And I would revise my judgement when I see it. When it's actually continued. Right now it's still abandoned for all I know and, as opposed to the OT, I feel zero compulsion to replay, since the plot parts interesting me the most, stayed unresolved.
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Post by danielhungary on May 27, 2021 15:57:36 GMT
Im playing ME3LE right now and im really enjoying it. Best gameplay and graphics in MELE and the story is good too. Many fanservice stuff in there but i like that. ME2 was the worst regarding gameplay, Shepard is limited in movement and any action. The hardest is ME3 by far on insanity. The enemies are much quicker and smarter. I remember MEA. The more i played it the more i was bored from it. I did only around 7 runs, destroyed the Architects. After awhile it was not fun anymore. MEA is not bad, it is mediocre. Cyberpunk 2077 is a bit better but mediocre too.
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Post by rahavan on May 28, 2021 11:56:42 GMT
Gosh seeing people argue that ME2 is the worst is mind boggling. From a narrative stand point by itself, without factoring in the disjointedness to the arc as a whole, it's really good. Most of the side missions on planets are cool (and some are tough!). The combat is a little on the meh side compare to ME3 which makes sense due to progression. The biotics being really bad on higher difficulties is what I dislike just to clearly state. Overall the story and characters are lovely in variety plus the combat is enjoyable (not amazing as ME3 but I do enjoy it).
That said my ranking goes: ME3 ME2 ME:A ME1
Mass effect 1 is just... awful. Gameplay is disgustingly easy even with out OP biotics. Most of the planet missions do not hold up to modern standards. They barely qualified as decent when the game came out. It requires very little skill to play through the content with the thorian being the hardest fight. It's side missions/content on planets are often terrible. Companion interaction is the weakest of all the games (which is a budget constraint to be fair). Sadly it's the only bioware game I will not be going back to.
The reason why Andromeda ranks higher for me, if anyone is curious, is because the companions feel fleshed out and some (chitin borg are very boring) of the story content is great. Namely Kadara, Elaaden and the first part of Eos. I remember the quests and atmosphere vividly where as ME1 just reminds me of boredom. I will say I loved stuff like defiance (the show) so the concept of being left out to build a new life in a shitty place with racial/faction politics really appeals to me. So my bias is rather strong towards ME:A. It all comes down to preference, I suppose, but I can't fathom how someone would put ME1 above ME2.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on May 28, 2021 14:06:56 GMT
ME2 ME3 MEA ME1 is how I rank them ( though in my case I haven't played the LE yet
Yeah, this is how I rank them too. ME2 is just the best, hands down. Sure, it has a eh plot (and being forced to work with Cerberus), but the characters and the Suicide Mission really just makes it the best. And the combat was a HUGE improvement over ME 1. I lost count how many times I played it (stopped counting after run 25).
ME3 comes in second for the ending alone. That was my biggest gripe with it, and I can ignore it for the sake of the enjoyment of the game. EDIT: The Citadel DLC was a big part of this as well. This kind of makes up for the horrible ending. Not entirely, but it does help.
Andromeda comes in third, with a fair to middling plot (like 2), but the characters were a bit...eh. They weren't terrible, but they just seemed to not grab me. Again, this is just my opinion. However, due to how bad the endings of 3 were, Andromeda isn't that far behind for second place. If the characters had just a bit more...oomph to them to grab me, the two games could easily be tied.
ME1 comes in last, because the combat is HORRIBLE. Good story, but when combat in a game is just....terrible...it makes it not worth playing. Counting both ME and MELE, I've played ME1 a total of 5 times. Yeah I generally ignore how poor the ME3 endings were written now because for me how it ended was not for me what the trilogy was about. For me the trilogy was about the journey we take with these characters and the friends we make along the way and fo rme throughout the trilogy Bioware got this spot on as a lot of the characters at leas tfeel just as rea las any you' dsee in a hit sci fi TV show like Star Trek or Babylon 5 and the VA's reall ypulled it off in giving these characters life as well. Which is why for me ME is one of my favourite games I own.
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Post by colfoley on May 28, 2021 18:18:09 GMT
My combat ranking would be MEA, ME3, ME2, ME1 My story ranking would be ME2 (if viewed as a stand alone), ME1, ME3 (despite the horrible ending), and MEA My RP ranking would be ME1, ME2, ME3, and MEA My overall would be ME2, ME3, ME1, and MEA combat. MEA, 3,2,1. Story, ME, A, 3, 2. RP, MEA, 2,3,1. Overall cast, ME 2, MEA, ME 1, ME 3.
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Post by themikefest on May 28, 2021 20:44:19 GMT
My combat ranking would be MEA, ME3, ME2, ME1 Even though MEA's combat wasn't bad, I rate it last because it doesn't have the power wheel and can't control squadmates. Because of that, I look at it as a step backwards. Hopefully in the next ME game those two things return.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on May 28, 2021 21:13:43 GMT
My combat ranking would be MEA, ME3, ME2, ME1 Even though MEA's combat wasn't bad, I rate it last because it doesn't have the power wheel and can't control squadmates. Because of that, I look at it as a step backwards. Hopefully in the next ME game those two things return. That is why combat wise MEA is a mixed bag for me. In terms of how Ryder handles it is the best in terms of mobility, shooting, and overall feel but it is missing a dimension by taking away squadmate control and the power wheel. Also I just don't like profiles, switching on the fly isn't worth it most of the time due to the cooldown and each profile only gives you access to three abilities. We might have been limited to one class per Shepard but those classes were fleshed out and we had to learn about to play to the strengths of each class and we could use our squad to compensate for the weaknesses or limitations of each class. It added replayability. You could roll as an infiltrator with one Shepard and the next time around you roll as a vanguard and it would make for a completely different experience. All my Ryders feel very similar. My Shepards feel unique from one another.
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Post by Kabraxal on May 28, 2021 21:50:30 GMT
Just had a thought on Control... if Shepard controls the Reapers then that means he controls indoctrination. Even the purest and most boy scout of Shepard’s would likely succumb to the temptation to “fix” people. It’s fucking terrifying.
So now we get these lovely choices: Genocide of multiple species/races - Total Tyranny and minduck - Galactic Wide Eugenics - Seek to win on your terms
Yeah, any fucking wonder I go refuse and headcanon the rest? Reaaly should try Mehem. Got it set up but got distracted before getting out of ME1.
No wonder ME3’s ending makes it impossible for ME3 to be above any other game in the franchise. And people want to say Andromeda is worse...
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Post by colfoley on May 28, 2021 22:06:15 GMT
My combat ranking would be MEA, ME3, ME2, ME1 Even though MEA's combat wasn't bad, I rate it last because it doesn't have the power wheel and can't control squadmates. Because of that, I look at it as a step backwards. Hopefully in the next ME game those two things return. See my general philosophy is the more time you spend in menus, not in the actual gameplay, you aren't actually playing the game and the 'power wheel' counts as a menu for me. Maybe there isn't really any easy way to do this, afterall the more complex your tactical control of your team is the more likely you will need a menu, but then I always found the squad in MEA intuitive and competent and meshed well with whatever my Ryder was trying to do.
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Post by sgtreed24 on May 28, 2021 22:16:51 GMT
I’d say ME2 is the worst, though playing this after MEA shows just how much BioWare improved in every aspect of the games with MEA. The story, characters, gameplay, etc are all better in MEA than the Shepard Trilogy. I didn't know it was opposite day but I'll play along. Empire is the worst Star Wars. The Prequels show how George Lucas improved on the OT in every way especially the dialogue, characters and use of practical special effects. While I definitely do not think Empire is the worst Star Wars, I think Revenge of the Sith is the best star wars.
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Post by colfoley on May 28, 2021 22:57:38 GMT
I find it ironic that Empire is my fifth favorite STAR Wars movie.
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Post by themikefest on May 28, 2021 23:22:19 GMT
Even though MEA's combat wasn't bad, I rate it last because it doesn't have the power wheel and can't control squadmates. Because of that, I look at it as a step backwards. Hopefully in the next ME game those two things return. See my general philosophy is the more time you spend in menus, not in the actual gameplay, you aren't actually playing the game and the 'power wheel' counts as a menu for me. Maybe there isn't really any easy way to do this, afterall the more complex your tactical control of your team is the more likely you will need a menu, but then I always found the squad in MEA intuitive and competent and meshed well with whatever my Ryder was trying to do. See my general philosophy is the menu is an option that can be useful. Since it wasn't in MEA, it makes you wonder why have a squadmate at all. I found having it makes squadmates feel useful contributing to the fight. But since it's not in MEA, then why have squadmates at all? All they did is....what? Thinking they were doing something when it amounted to nothing.
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Post by steppinrazor on May 28, 2021 23:59:43 GMT
Sometimes I wonder if I am the only ME fan that likes all 4 games. I don't like them equally of course and I have my preferences but it seems like people like talking about the ones they don't like more than the ones they like. I enjoy them all for what they are. It's like Star Wars, honestly even if it "sucks" I'm still just pumped for another SW movie. Or Predator. But come on, give us a great Predator movie again for once at least. Oh funny lol, I didn't realize someone used the Star Wars example before I said that xD
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Post by colfoley on May 29, 2021 0:14:23 GMT
See my general philosophy is the more time you spend in menus, not in the actual gameplay, you aren't actually playing the game and the 'power wheel' counts as a menu for me. Maybe there isn't really any easy way to do this, afterall the more complex your tactical control of your team is the more likely you will need a menu, but then I always found the squad in MEA intuitive and competent and meshed well with whatever my Ryder was trying to do. See my general philosophy is the menu is an option that can be useful. Since it wasn't in MEA, it makes you wonder why have a squadmate at all. I found having it makes squadmates feel useful contributing to the fight. But since it's not in MEA, then why have squadmates at all? All they did is....what? Thinking they were doing something when it amounted to nothing. By this logic then why do I have squadmates in the MET considering I barely open up the power wheel menu as an absolute last resort to control them? In my current playthrough of even ME 1 I think I have only opened up the menu 4 times to this point and given that ME 1 had the most...complex...power system it might only go down from here. As for MEAs squad. Vetra was fire support, enemy supression, combo set up. Drack and Cora were front line warriors to take the heat off my Ryder as he sniped as well as some other combo stuff, Jaal sniped with me, and Peebee and Liam didn't have a specific role per se. But really the squad was just as useful as an aggregrate then the squad in the trilogy... And the whole reason why have a squad of characters in these games is to talk to them anyways.
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Post by themikefest on May 29, 2021 0:45:45 GMT
In my current playthrough of even ME 1 I think I have only opened up the menu 4 times to this point and given that ME 1 had the most...complex...power system it might only go down from here. So you have used the wheel? I guess you weren't actually playing the game, as you say. I recall I had Ryder stay in cover while the squadmates dealt with the kett in the bubble. After 15 minutes, they did very little damage. The squadmates in the trilogy, regardless if I like them or not, had no issue deal a lot of damage. I would say the trilogy squadmates, would beat the crap out oi the MEA squadmates with ease. They might not even break a sweat Is it? I would say having them on a mission makes it easier to deal with the enemies. If I want to talk to them, I do it between missions.
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Post by Guardian on May 29, 2021 2:17:37 GMT
Even though MEA's combat wasn't bad, I rate it last because it doesn't have the power wheel and can't control squadmates. Because of that, I look at it as a step backwards. Hopefully in the next ME game those two things return. That is why combat wise MEA is a mixed bag for me. In terms of how Ryder handles it is the best in terms of mobility, shooting, and overall feel but it is missing a dimension by taking away squadmate control and the power wheel. Also I just don't like profiles, switching on the fly isn't worth it most of the time due to the cooldown and each profile only gives you access to three abilities. We might have been limited to one class per Shepard but those classes were fleshed out and we had to learn about to play to the strengths of each class and we could use our squad to compensate for the weaknesses or limitations of each class. It added replayability. You could roll as an infiltrator with one Shepard and the next time around you roll as a vanguard and it would make for a completely different experience. All my Ryders feel very similar. My Shepards feel unique from one another. Yeah, the lack of a power wheel for Andromeda was something I really missed. Also the profile system; I said it before - I give BioWare an A for trying something different, but it just really didn't work. I like the individual classes - strengths and weaknesses of each one and like kotoreffect said - it added replayablility.
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Post by Guardian on May 29, 2021 2:20:55 GMT
Yeah, this is how I rank them too. ME2 is just the best, hands down. Sure, it has a eh plot (and being forced to work with Cerberus), but the characters and the Suicide Mission really just makes it the best. And the combat was a HUGE improvement over ME 1. I lost count how many times I played it (stopped counting after run 25).
ME3 comes in second for the ending alone. That was my biggest gripe with it, and I can ignore it for the sake of the enjoyment of the game. EDIT: The Citadel DLC was a big part of this as well. This kind of makes up for the horrible ending. Not entirely, but it does help.
Andromeda comes in third, with a fair to middling plot (like 2), but the characters were a bit...eh. They weren't terrible, but they just seemed to not grab me. Again, this is just my opinion. However, due to how bad the endings of 3 were, Andromeda isn't that far behind for second place. If the characters had just a bit more...oomph to them to grab me, the two games could easily be tied.
ME1 comes in last, because the combat is HORRIBLE. Good story, but when combat in a game is just....terrible...it makes it not worth playing. Counting both ME and MELE, I've played ME1 a total of 5 times. Yeah I generally ignore how poor the ME3 endings were written now because for me how it ended was not for me what the trilogy was about. For me the trilogy was about the journey we take with these characters and the friends we make along the way and fo rme throughout the trilogy Bioware got this spot on as a lot of the characters at leas tfeel just as rea las any you' dsee in a hit sci fi TV show like Star Trek or Babylon 5 and the VA's reall ypulled it off in giving these characters life as well. Which is why for me ME is one of my favourite games I own. I agree with you there; I think it's why I love the Citadel DLC so much - it being my most favorite one, right after Lair of the Shadow Broker. It was kinda the best way to end the journey we had. I'd have done a few things different (gotten rid of a squadmate or two, replaced them with a couple from ME 2, that sort of stuff), but yeah; I can usually ignore the endings for the most part and just headcanon what I need, really.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on May 29, 2021 2:35:17 GMT
Yeah I generally ignore how poor the ME3 endings were written now because for me how it ended was not for me what the trilogy was about. For me the trilogy was about the journey we take with these characters and the friends we make along the way and fo rme throughout the trilogy Bioware got this spot on as a lot of the characters at leas tfeel just as rea las any you' dsee in a hit sci fi TV show like Star Trek or Babylon 5 and the VA's reall ypulled it off in giving these characters life as well. Which is why for me ME is one of my favourite games I own. I agree with you there; I think it's why I love the Citadel DLC so much - it being my most favorite one, right after Lair of the Shadow Broker. It was kinda the best way to end the journey we had. I'd have done a few things different (gotten rid of a squadmate or two, replaced them with a couple from ME 2, that sort of stuff), but yeah; I can usually ignore the endings for the most part and just headcanon what I need, really. Yeah Shadow Broker and Citadel aer my 2 favourites as well. I d osometimes skip Citadel if I wantto get t oth eend quicker as it can be a rather long DLC anjd i tdoesn' treally pay out much war asset wise but it certainly is still a fun one to play. Jus tbeen playing it myself in fact as I started tha tDLC this evening an djus tfinished the fight w3ith the clone. But I did decide to start it earlier this time rather than take it all on in one go as I'm still kind of in the Quarian/Geth part of the game and so far I've only done the Geth dreadnaught in that. Thi sis on the origina lME3 thoug has I haven' tstarted on the remaster yet. Though I do plan on starting m yfirs tLE run when I've finished the OT ME3
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
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Post by quarianmasterrace on May 29, 2021 4:00:06 GMT
My combat ranking would be MEA, ME3, ME2, ME1 Even though MEA's combat wasn't bad, I rate it last because it doesn't have the power wheel and can't control squadmates. Because of that, I look at it as a step backwards. Hopefully in the next ME game those two things return. MEA combat is overrated. It's just ME3 combat but dumbed down with no squad commands, equipment or hotkeys. The jetpack isn't relevant because enemies have aimbot. Trying to jump around on insanity just gets your shields drained by aimbot enemies who can hit you jumping in the air. You play in RHA or hard cover just like ME3, regardless. The profiles are useless. When you change them all your powers go into cooldown. You'll kill the enemy faster just staying in the current one and shooting them to death. I never changed my profile from the infiltratior one with the wallhacks the whole game because it was pointless. Found gear is garbage and crafted gear is stupid OP. Full auto Valkryie makes Insanity feel like casual. People said the combat was good but that's not my experience. It's better than 1 but that's a low bar. 2 had better balance and 3 had more options.
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Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
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Post by Exile Isan on May 29, 2021 4:30:11 GMT
MEA combat let me pick things up, hold them, and then throw them with biotics. That's a big win, IMHO.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on May 29, 2021 6:13:47 GMT
MEA combat let me pick things up, hold them, and then throw them with biotics. That's a big win, IMHO. Those are instakills in MP btw - very nice. I havent tried "Kineticist" style in SP but maybe I will next time when I play MEA through. Also take exploding canisters with pull, then throw them to a group. Group is gone.
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