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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 27, 2021 16:46:21 GMT
These things do co-exist in the game even if you feel they shouldn't. If you find this fantasy horned race behaves oddly in your eyes that is up to you. It is a fantasy horned race, so what's the big deal? I suspect the possible distinction may be that care vs. disregard for people comes down to whether those people are within the Qun (or not). Iron Bull will do it for Klem. Who is human. So obviously race is not an issue here. Which means that it's OK to be trans, even if you are a different race. Which means the Qunari show preferential treatment to trans people, for being trans, regardless of race. But if you're not trans, they're going to kill you. That is such a weird filter. And as I said, the only reason to make a distinction for trans people, taking Sten's objection to the female warden, would be that the phrase is used in a derogatory fashion. Which Iron Bull paints it as not being used as such. That trans people are widely accepted and welcomed in Qunari society and if Klem were to live with the Quanri, would just be another Kun-Athlock or how it's spelled and everything would be handy dandy, when in truth, the Qunari would likely perform atrocities on him, then kill him, once they got bored of him. To make a real world example. It's like Hitler going "Gas the Jews. But the not trans Jews. They're alright". It doesn't happen. These two stances are irreconcilable.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 27, 2021 16:50:55 GMT
But it's so fucking jarring. The Qunari: We will invade your lands, we will enslave you, we will kill your wives and rape your children Also the Qunari: #TransLivesMattersies 🏳️🌈 No hatesies, or you're a bigotsies These two ... cannot coexist. These things do co-exist in the game even if you feel they shouldn't. If you find this fantasy horned race behaves oddly in your eyes that is up to you. It is a fantasy horned race, so what's the big deal? I suspect the possible distinction may be that care vs. disregard for people comes down to whether those people are within the Qun (or not). A core underpinning principle of the Qun is that they do it for the good of the people they are subjugating. By the logic of the Qun, they are doing you a favour. But SirPetrakus is being, as usual, insincere and sloppy in order to make a bad faith point. The Qun have dedicated facilities for their breeding programs, and separate dedicated facilities for having sex for pleasure. Whether what goes on in those counts as "rape", it's hard to say, but I find them suspect. But a violent crime that serves no purpose is unacceptable under the philosophy of the Qun. Remember that Sten was willing to allow himself to die horribly, as he perceived it as a fitting punishment for killing innocent people in a fit of rage. The supposedly inborn "savagery" of the race formerly known as the Kossith is precisely what the Qun philosophy is designed to eradicate, after all.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 27, 2021 16:54:29 GMT
It's literally Iron Bull's entire job to integrate with non-Qunari society for the purpose of gathering intelligence, which he can't do if he goes around murdering people willy-nilly for their -teehee- TRANSgressions.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 27, 2021 17:02:18 GMT
A core underpinning principle of the Qun is that they do it for the good of the people they are subjugating. By the logic of the Qun, they are doing you a favour. Well, in that case, I'd be happy to be put down, wouldn't I? Might as well jump on those Qunari swords, Thane style. Every side that starts an expansive war believes the lives of the ones they are subjugating will be better. The Romans did it, the Greeks did it, the Persians did it, the Germans did it, the Russians did it, the British did it, the Americans did it. Everyone did it. And guess what, none of those governments made distinctions of the subjugated populations for LGBTQ+ members. Do you think in DS9 the Cardassians made exceptions for LGBTQ Bajorans? Do you think that terrorist in the Middle East kill people in the name of trans rights? No. These people aren't tolerant, they aren't inclusive and sure as fuck don't stand for trans rights. And I could believe that the Qunari are the "good guys", if Bioware hadn't consistently portrayed them as secular, violent, warmongering death machines. Also, if you want to engage in dialogue, quote me next time.
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Post by bierkrug on Jun 27, 2021 17:09:02 GMT
Professionalism in a game development setting is most often to appeal to a wide audience and thankfully, that means people that weren't considered until recently. If you consider that watering down or cheapening content... *shrug*. Times have moved away from you. Pandering alienates people more than it attracts. I've only seen two games (ESO and Dragonspear) where the existence of a trans character wasn't so shoehorned in that it stood out like a sore thumb. One making for a good twist at the end of a quest line, the other being in a world where changing sexes is as easy as putting on a cursed belt. . And while Daniel Vavra (if that is the guy's name, I don't care, I'm not looking it up) might not be aware of any black people in Bohemia in the 1400s, and while they might have been rare, that's not the same as there being literally zero. Yes, Mr American, keep telling me what diversity in rural Europe looks like. I just grew up here. Unlike you, I actually played the game. It is as authentic as it can be, within the frame that it being a game allows it to be. The developers did their homework, spent a lot of time researching the history of their home for this. I'm from the general geographical area, I even recognized the goddamn plants growing in the ingame meadows. They stayed true to their vision. Congrats, integrity kept intact. Also, "cancelling" isn't real. LOL, yeah. That's why Rowling keeps getting pestered, dipshits are burning her books and there were pride marches with "Kill Rowling" signs on display this very weekend. and since you've seen fit to carry on in previous threads about how too many bisexuals makes you no imaginayshun so gud That's your fault for assuming my arguing for gated romances somehow means I want to burn the bis at the stake. Which I don't, for the record. Also for the record, as a man you have no place to tell a woman that she should feel comfortable with males in her safe spaces.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 27, 2021 17:29:49 GMT
Professionalism in a game development setting is most often to appeal to a wide audience and thankfully, that means people that weren't considered until recently. If you consider that watering down or cheapening content... *shrug*. Times have moved away from you. Pandering alienates people more than it attracts. I've only seen two games (ESO and Dragonspear) where the existence of a trans character wasn't so shoehorned in that it stood out like a sore thumb. One making for a good twist at the end of a quest line, the other being in a world where changing sexes is as easy as putting on a cursed belt. . And while Daniel Vavra (if that is the guy's name, I don't care, I'm not looking it up) might not be aware of any black people in Bohemia in the 1400s, and while they might have been rare, that's not the same as there being literally zero. Yes, Mr American, keep telling me what diversity in rural Europe looks like. I just grew up here. Unlike you, I actually played the game. It is as authentic as it can be, within the frame that it being a game allows it to be. The developers did their homework, spent a lot of time researching the history of their home for this. I'm from the general geographical area, I even recognized the goddamn plants growing in the ingame meadows. They stayed true to their vision. Congrats, integrity kept intact. Also, "cancelling" isn't real. LOL, yeah. That's why Rowling keeps getting pestered, dipshits are burning her books and there were pride marches with "Kill Rowling" signs on display this very weekend. and since you've seen fit to carry on in previous threads about how too many bisexuals makes you no imaginayshun so gud That's your fault for assuming my arguing for gated romances somehow means I want to burn the bis at the stake. Which I don't, for the record. Also for the record, as a man you have no place to tell a woman that she should feel comfortable with males in her safe spaces. I'm not American, the existence of Black people in Europe in the middle ages and even before then is well documented, I didn't make any comments about diversity in rural Europe, I said having one black character is just as theoretically plausible as the content of the plot, which hinges on excessive contrivance as it is. None of that stops Rowling from doing or saying anything, people have the right to do whatever they want with books they own, and her wealth and privilege will continue to protect her from ever having to face anything approaching a real consequence for anything she ever says or does. I have never said or thought that you want to "burn bis at the stake", I said your arguments were a smokescreen for bigotry, and I hold to that. There's an entire spectrum of bigotry between "thinks gays should all be murdered" and "actually treats them with equal respect and dignity, rather than just claiming to online", you fall short of the latter. Where, precisely, I haven't decided. You misunderstand my position. I've no intention of dictating how you should or should not feel. I do not take your feelings into account at all. I simply do not care. As far as I'm concerned, your position has as much merit as that of the anti-vaxxer, or the flat-earther. Which is to say, none at all.
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Post by bierkrug on Jun 27, 2021 17:46:09 GMT
So if the plot is a contrivance in your eyes, why should adding even more conrtivance make the game any better? Because you said so?
Because she has money it is okay to send her rape and death threats? What of all the other women who got pulled into this crap? From Forstatter to Millard. So many women have been bullied out of their jobs for this shit. How is this not cancelling?
Yeah, videogame romances are serious business. Saying I want alignment gating means I'm a bigot. Woot woot.
Saying sex is real makes me a science denier? BWAHAHAHA!
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 27, 2021 18:14:46 GMT
All fiction is contrivance. Literally, it is contrived, by the strict dictionary definition of the term. The addition of further contrivance is a neutral proposition, whether a particular addition hurts or harms a story's quality is determined by other factors, and purely a matter of personal perspective in any case. No, women don't deserve rape threats. They don't automatically deserve a platform to share hateful rhetoric either, and they don't deserve to bully colleagues with impunity either, for any reason. Forstatter wasn't "bullied out", her employers declined to renew her contract because she WAS a bully. She dragged her personal politics into her work by refusing to respect a colleague's gender identity, despite repeated requests. She was unprofessional in the actual definition of the word, not your definition of "putting people I don't like in a game that I play". Contract workers aren't automatically entitled to renewals, I should know, I am one. You can be denied a contract renewal for any reason, or even none at all. Everyone has to moderate themselves at work, it's the social contract. No trans person anywhere on Earth is saying that biological sex is not real. Either you don't understand the argument or you are misrepresenting it deliberately. Doesn't matter which. Your argument lacks merit because it ignores the observable reality, backed by hard data, of who is *actually* doing violence in women's bathrooms (spoiler alert, it's not the transeseseses). Psycho and Silence of the Lambs may be good movies, but they aren't based in anything remotely resembling reality. You are of course, entitled to feel however you want about whatever you want, regardless. Heights have never attacked me in the bathroom, but I'm still scared of them.
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on Jun 27, 2021 18:21:13 GMT
Is this shit thread still going on?
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Post by duskwanderer on Jun 27, 2021 18:50:43 GMT
So it's only what you say goes? Sorry, but Hainly Abrams was just proof that the woke screechers are never satisfied and will whine loudly about not getting what they want. A minor character with a smidge of character development (love of big boom explosions, and honestly, minor characters don't require any more) was turned into a joke. Uhm... no? You were the one trying to pull a case of bad-faith "don't be emotional" nonsense in the first place. Do you think all "unwokes" are the same? If so, I guess "unwoke"=/=bigot and I sense a lot of self-styled "unwokes" crying foul about being called bigots. And I stand by it. Minor characters don't require a lot of time to spent on them. And the whining proved they wouldn't be satisfied. Emotion doesn't enter into it.
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Post by duskwanderer on Jun 27, 2021 18:52:58 GMT
Who are 'woke screechers' please? I understood that this extremely minor character was really badly implemented and was understandably patched. Why is this a matter of concern to you? Except it wasn't badly implemented. The story was perfectly fine. They apparently get a hit up their craw that the transgendered character didn't conform to a stereotype that they wanted. My concern lay in the fact that ME:A was very bad at that time. It could be borderline unplayable given all of its glitches, clipping through floors and the like. And instead of fixing such problems, they were caving to the whiny woke screechers and spending time fixing those stupid problems.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jun 27, 2021 20:59:11 GMT
Is this shit thread still going on? Nope. While the subject has merit and the OP created the thread in good faith, it seems that we've reached the end of the line. And with insufficient will among the mod team to clean up and advise on a reset, this thread is now locked.
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