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Post by Iddy on Aug 27, 2021 19:40:31 GMT
Or will it be quickly forgotten without people even realizing that they believed that at some point?
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Post by phoray on Aug 27, 2021 20:14:35 GMT
The people who believed originally weren't exactly that bright, imo, so they will likely continue to believe
It would be hilarious if they started some sort of cult and intuited hidden messages from any Inky Declarations to be a code to them.
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Post by Zemgus on Aug 27, 2021 20:17:25 GMT
No, I think some people will take the Herald losing the hand in Trespasser as a sign of the Maker's anger. I have a theory that the Inquisitor might face a similar end as Andraste did.
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Post by ellehaym on Aug 27, 2021 20:34:46 GMT
I think they'll at least be remembered for sealing the Veil Tear.
But much like how Ameridan was eventually remembered as a human warrior with potentially a mage lover, the much of the Inquisitor's true history will be erased.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 27, 2021 20:40:57 GMT
But much like how Ameridan was eventually remembered as a human warrior with potentially a mage lover, the much of the Inquisitor's true history will be erased. I agree with this. I think that was something of a hint to us from the writers this would be the case. Think back to the defeat of the Arishok by Hawke and the statue that was erecting to celebrate the victory. That statue looked an awful lot like Andraste to me and definitely a warrior rather than the mage that I was. So in generations to come, if they remember the Herald at all, it will likely be as a human warrior, who was a devout follower of Andraste. Mind you, the whole point of the title "Herald" is that it was meant to be heralding Andraste's return to put the world to rights. That didn't really happen did it? So I dare say the Chantry will play down the whole "Herald" thing in the future. Unless, of course, events to come prove otherwise.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 27, 2021 21:03:55 GMT
Depends on which part of the continent we're talking about. Places more devout like Orlais and Antiva I can definitely see remembering them, while places like Tevinter never really bought into it so they'll be forgotten.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 27, 2021 21:05:23 GMT
Mind you, the whole point of the title "Herald" is that it was meant to be heralding Andraste's return to put the world to rights. That didn't really happen did it? So I dare say the Chantry will play down the whole "Herald" thing in the future. Unless, of course, events to come prove otherwise. Where was it said that it meant that? A herald is someone who brings a message. Doesn't have to be her return, but merely seen as a sign that she is watching over Thedas by sending a savior.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 27, 2021 21:10:27 GMT
For this discussion, I assume we’re working under the assumption that life goes on past Solas and his plan?
If yes, then I think they’ll be remembered. Like Hanako said, it will probably vary by region. In the very short term; say ~9:60 Dragon or thereabouts, I’d expect nearly everyone South of Tevinter to remember and believe in them. Past that, though, it’d probably fragment a bit. Some will continue to be absolute in their faith that the Inquisitor was the Chosen of Andraste. Others will recall a pseudo-religious leader that saved everyone and others still will decide that they were just some soldier the advisors put out for parades and speeches.
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on Aug 27, 2021 22:13:06 GMT
We all know Andraste is going to be a party member in DA4, hopefully she meets her herald by the time by the time they arrive in Tevinter.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 28, 2021 7:26:31 GMT
Where was it said that it meant that? A herald is someone who brings a message. Doesn't have to be her return, but merely seen as a sign that she is watching over Thedas by sending a savior. I assumed that reason for that specific title was the vision that Drakon claimed for himself as is contained in the Canticle of Exaltations: Prophesy at the end of the Chant. This starts with the "Air rent asunder, spilling unearthly light from the waters of the Fade, opening a baleful eye to look upon the Realm of Opposition". This is a precursor to Andraste's return in order to render judgement on behalf of the Maker and bring in a new age of peace and eternal life for the world. It goes on to say: "And in that baleful eye I saw the Lady of Sorrows, armoured in Light." The Chant of Light is recited in full week on week in every Chantry throughout Thedas, so even ordinary people who could not read would be familiar with this image. So there was a massive explosion, following which a great rent opens in the sky (that could be said to resemble an eye), showing the Fade beyond and, as the PC walks out from it, the soldiers were able to see a female figure behind them, shining with an unearthly light. It seems pretty clear to me how the PC acquired the title of Herald of Andraste. Flemeth also alludes to this when she says they are a "Herald of a New Age". Naturally Flemeth is not showing belief herself in the meaning everyone else has given to the title but she could be being ironic because she is aware what she has been nudging events towards over time and Fen'Harel is likely to bring to fruition. So our PC may well be a herald of a new age because the world will be transformed if the Veil is destroyed but that would have nothing to do with the Maker or Andraste, unless you take the view that Solas is the "Maker" of this current world with the Veil and Andraste was connected in some way to Mythal. Which, knowing your feelings about everything being connected with the elves, I am sure you would reject.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 28, 2021 7:45:08 GMT
Where was it said that it meant that? A herald is someone who brings a message. Doesn't have to be her return, but merely seen as a sign that she is watching over Thedas by sending a savior. I assumed that reason for that specific title was the vision that Drakon claimed for himself as is contained in the Canticle of Exaltations: Prophesy at the end of the Chant. This starts with the "Air rent asunder, spilling unearthly light from the waters of the Fade, opening a baleful eye to look upon the Realm of Opposition". This is a precursor to Andraste's return in order to render judgement on behalf of the Maker and bring in a new age of peace and eternal life for the world. It goes on to say: "And in that baleful eye I saw the Lady of Sorrows, armoured in Light." The Chant of Light is recited in full week on week in every Chantry throughout Thedas, so even ordinary people who could not read would be familiar with this image. So there was a massive explosion, following which a great rent opens in the sky (that could be said to resemble an eye), showing the Fade beyond and, as the PC walks out from it, the soldiers were able to see a female figure behind them, shining with an unearthly light. It seems pretty clear to me how the PC acquired the title of Herald of Andraste. Flemeth also alludes to this when she says they are a "Herald of a New Age". Naturally Flemeth is not showing belief herself in the meaning everyone else has given to the title but she could be being ironic because she is aware what she has been nudging events towards over time and Fen'Harel is likely to bring to fruition. So our PC may well be a herald of a new age because the world will be transformed if the Veil is destroyed but that would have nothing to do with the Maker or Andraste, unless you take the view that Solas is the "Maker" of this current world with the Veil and Andraste was connected in some way to Mythal. Which, knowing your feelings about everything being connected with the elves, I am sure you would reject. Oh, I’d reject and oppose it for more reasons than just that. First and foremost, BioWare saying they’ll never conclusively reveal whether the Maker exists or not and who/what they are. I know BioWare has been more and more anti-religion in recent years, but would prefer they not just change their mind on that rule (especially since they’re stupidly sticking to others). As for Flemeth, meh I never give her words much merits since she always speaks in the super vague way where no matter what happens it can match her words. Like the charlatan fortune tellers. Thank you on the in-depth answer on the Herald title. You’re probably right, though being a precursor doesn’t always mean imminent.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 28, 2021 10:52:37 GMT
Thank you on the in-depth answer on the Herald title. You’re probably right, though being a precursor doesn’t always mean imminent. Well, in Exaltations, Andraste returning does follow on the opening of the rift pretty closely, but then it doesn't make any mention of a Herald either. Since the Chantry initially opposed the idea of you being the Herald and I don't think ever officially endorsed the title (I may have missed something there if I am wrong), even if the new Divine did approve the Inquisition, it is easy to see how they can backtrack from the whole Herald thing without losing face. This is why I tend to think the whole Herald aspect of the Inquisition will be dropped and the PC will be remembered as the Lord Inquisitor of Thedas who sealed the Breach if they are remembered at all.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 28, 2021 12:01:41 GMT
First and foremost, BioWare saying they’ll never conclusively reveal whether the Maker exists or not and who/what they are. I think that ship sailed long ago if by that you mean the Maker presented in the Chant who was said to have had a special relationship with Andraste. If the Chant does represent the genuine teaching of Andraste about her encounter with this divine being and his revelations to her, then it is no more accurate about ancient events than the lore of the Dalish. In fact the latter has actually been endorsed to an extent because Fen'Harel did shut away the elven gods, not the Maker. Even assuming the Old Gods had no connection with the elves, if that is the case, where do they fit in? When did the Maker shut them away? How did he shut them away? Why didn't Corypheus and his pals encounter him when they invaded the Golden City, which incidentally Corypheus says was already black when they got there? Also, those nameless "Chantry scholars" who rubbish so much of Dalish lore, also did the same to the Chant, pointing out that sections of it can be shown to date to a much earlier period than Andraste, including older Alamaari sagas, Slave Dirges that were sung during uprisings prior to her crusade and other verses that bear a distinct similarity to prayers and hymns to local deities that pre-date her existence by more than 100 years. In this respect it should be noted that one section of the Chant actually refers to the Fade as the Beyond, a distinctly elven term for the Land of Dreams. The scholars readily admit that the Chant probably reflects the traditions of the faithful that may or may not have any connection to Andraste herself or what she taught about the Maker. It simply reflects what Divine Justinia I, and Drakon, considered worth including in order to endorse the version of the faith they wished to promote. So the only Maker that is not going to be confirmed one way or another is the Maker that Dorian believes in. Some vague Creator of the universe who is watching on but chooses not to get involved and never directly spoke to anyone.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 28, 2021 17:12:58 GMT
First and foremost, BioWare saying they’ll never conclusively reveal whether the Maker exists or not and who/what they are. I think that ship sailed long ago if by that you mean the Maker presented in the Chant who was said to have had a special relationship with Andraste. If the Chant does represent the genuine teaching of Andraste about her encounter with this divine being and his revelations to her, then it is no more accurate about ancient events than the lore of the Dalish. In fact the latter has actually been endorsed to an extent because Fen'Harel did shut away the elven gods, not the Maker. Even assuming the Old Gods had no connection with the elves, if that is the case, where do they fit in? When did the Maker shut them away? How did he shut them away? Why didn't Corypheus and his pals encounter him when they invaded the Golden City, which incidentally Corypheus says was already black when they got there? Also, those nameless "Chantry scholars" who rubbish so much of Dalish lore, also did the same to the Chant, pointing out that sections of it can be shown to date to a much earlier period than Andraste, including older Alamaari sagas, Slave Dirges that were sung during uprisings prior to her crusade and other verses that bear a distinct similarity to prayers and hymns to local deities that pre-date her existence by more than 100 years. In this respect it should be noted that one section of the Chant actually refers to the Fade as the Beyond, a distinctly elven term for the Land of Dreams. The scholars readily admit that the Chant probably reflects the traditions of the faithful that may or may not have any connection to Andraste herself or what she taught about the Maker. It simply reflects what Divine Justinia I, and Drakon, considered worth including in order to endorse the version of the faith they wished to promote. So the only Maker that is not going to be confirmed one way or another is the Maker that Dorian believes in. Some vague Creator of the universe who is watching on but chooses not to get involved and never directly spoke to anyone. I don’t get what you mean about the Andraste stuff being disproven.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Aug 28, 2021 21:46:01 GMT
First and foremost, BioWare saying they’ll never conclusively reveal whether the Maker exists or not and who/what they are. I think that ship sailed long ago if by that you mean the Maker presented in the Chant who was said to have had a special relationship with Andraste. If the Chant does represent the genuine teaching of Andraste about her encounter with this divine being and his revelations to her, then it is no more accurate about ancient events than the lore of the Dalish. In fact the latter has actually been endorsed to an extent because Fen'Harel did shut away the elven gods, not the Maker. Even assuming the Old Gods had no connection with the elves, if that is the case, where do they fit in? When did the Maker shut them away? How did he shut them away? Why didn't Corypheus and his pals encounter him when they invaded the Golden City, which incidentally Corypheus says was already black when they got there? Also, those nameless "Chantry scholars" who rubbish so much of Dalish lore, also did the same to the Chant, pointing out that sections of it can be shown to date to a much earlier period than Andraste, including older Alamaari sagas, Slave Dirges that were sung during uprisings prior to her crusade and other verses that bear a distinct similarity to prayers and hymns to local deities that pre-date her existence by more than 100 years. In this respect it should be noted that one section of the Chant actually refers to the Fade as the Beyond, a distinctly elven term for the Land of Dreams. The scholars readily admit that the Chant probably reflects the traditions of the faithful that may or may not have any connection to Andraste herself or what she taught about the Maker. It simply reflects what Divine Justinia I, and Drakon, considered worth including in order to endorse the version of the faith they wished to promote. So the only Maker that is not going to be confirmed one way or another is the Maker that Dorian believes in. Some vague Creator of the universe who is watching on but chooses not to get involved and never directly spoke to anyone. Or the chant took some stuff from others to make it more attractive to the native population. Basically add on to what was already there.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Aug 28, 2021 21:48:27 GMT
There are people who follow..lets just say crazier things have happened in the real world so I don't see why someone that fixed the fabric of reality and defeated an ancient evil that their religion actually speaks of wouldn't at the least be watched with awe or adored by the mass's. Maybe not on the level of andraste but I doubt the inquisitor would be a nobody any time soon.
by the way I am not anti religion in any way but look at some of the crazy cults and you see what I mean.
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Post by duskwanderer on Aug 28, 2021 22:18:27 GMT
I think that ship sailed long ago if by that you mean the Maker presented in the Chant who was said to have had a special relationship with Andraste. If the Chant does represent the genuine teaching of Andraste about her encounter with this divine being and his revelations to her, then it is no more accurate about ancient events than the lore of the Dalish. In fact the latter has actually been endorsed to an extent because Fen'Harel did shut away the elven gods, not the Maker. Even assuming the Old Gods had no connection with the elves, if that is the case, where do they fit in? When did the Maker shut them away? How did he shut them away? Why didn't Corypheus and his pals encounter him when they invaded the Golden City, which incidentally Corypheus says was already black when they got there? Also, those nameless "Chantry scholars" who rubbish so much of Dalish lore, also did the same to the Chant, pointing out that sections of it can be shown to date to a much earlier period than Andraste, including older Alamaari sagas, Slave Dirges that were sung during uprisings prior to her crusade and other verses that bear a distinct similarity to prayers and hymns to local deities that pre-date her existence by more than 100 years. In this respect it should be noted that one section of the Chant actually refers to the Fade as the Beyond, a distinctly elven term for the Land of Dreams. The scholars readily admit that the Chant probably reflects the traditions of the faithful that may or may not have any connection to Andraste herself or what she taught about the Maker. It simply reflects what Divine Justinia I, and Drakon, considered worth including in order to endorse the version of the faith they wished to promote. So the only Maker that is not going to be confirmed one way or another is the Maker that Dorian believes in. Some vague Creator of the universe who is watching on but chooses not to get involved and never directly spoke to anyone. I don’t get what you mean about the Andraste stuff being disproven. It's similar to the other topic: gervaise believes the Chantry is always wrong. Mother Giselle discusses all of this in-game: Corypheus has every reason to lie about what happened, especially since he is currently going through a crisis of faith, as Dumat is dead.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Aug 28, 2021 22:38:33 GMT
I don’t get what you mean about the Andraste stuff being disproven. It's similar to the other topic: gervaise believes the Chantry is always wrong. Mother Giselle discusses all of this in-game: Corypheus has every reason to lie about what happened, especially since he is currently going through a crisis of faith, as Dumat is dead. ... and you seem to believe anything Chantry is always right, and we ought to discard other sources because of your mighty say-so.
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Post by duskwanderer on Aug 29, 2021 0:27:26 GMT
It's similar to the other topic: gervaise believes the Chantry is always wrong. Mother Giselle discusses all of this in-game: Corypheus has every reason to lie about what happened, especially since he is currently going through a crisis of faith, as Dumat is dead. ... and you seem to believe anything Chantry is always right, and we ought to discard other sources because of your mighty say-so. I care little about what someone "seems" to be true. I care about what is true. So should everyone, BTW. But we're talking about belief in the Herald of Andraste. I think that DA won't go far enough into the future for it to truly matter. But I think that, as is the story of all mythological figures, the story will change quickly. I fully expect one group to say the Herald was virile and sired dozens and someone a few villages over to say her breasts could nourish a small island's worth of babies.
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Post by phoray on Aug 29, 2021 1:15:33 GMT
I don’t get what you mean about the Andraste stuff being disproven. I'm not gervaise, but I understand it to be implied. If the first Inquisitor was an elven mage, and we've met the man who created the veil, than what else has the faithful of the Maker intentionally and unintentionally gotten wrong? When you add Drakon into the mix, I would hold nearly everything that modern Thoedosians to believe about the Maker to be Drakon's political fabrication. Therefore all that is known about Andraste is specifically what Drakon wanted you to know.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Aug 29, 2021 5:16:24 GMT
... and you seem to believe anything Chantry is always right, and we ought to discard other sources because of your mighty say-so. I care little about what someone "seems" to be true. I care about what is true. So should everyone, BTW. But we're talking about belief in the Herald of Andraste. I think that DA won't go far enough into the future for it to truly matter. But I think that, as is the story of all mythological figures, the story will change quickly. I fully expect one group to say the Herald was virile and sired dozens and someone a few villages over to say her breasts could nourish a small island's worth of babies. Eh, you come across as caring about having your view on the setting's conflicts validated, that's it. Call it truhf if you want.
You were just bringing out your generalised strawman against users who said something you apprently don't like. I mean, I could also say that you are (abrasively) dismissing anything that goes against "Chantry right truth because Chantry says so".
But I can totally see that tons of people (I suppose especially orlesians, given their penchant for coming up with custom titles) would field the claim to be related to the "Herald", even if it wouldn't make that much sense in a given situation, like say, humans tripping over themselves claiming to be descendents before the identy of the Inquisitor is totally erased and twisted into the standard "faithful(TM) human non-mage".
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 29, 2021 8:35:59 GMT
I don’t get what you mean about the Andraste stuff being disproven. I thought I just did. Actually Sera hit the hail on the head, I'll give her that. After the Temple of Mythal she insists it was just a ruin full of demons and that none of what they claimed was true because: "There can't be a bunch of gods and the Maker. Doesn't matter how much or how little you believe, those don't fit. So call me stupid but I believe the stuff not made up by dead people who failed. Mythal is a ruin full of demons." Now, due to her prejudices against anything elven, she chooses to believe the Chant of Light, even though technically Andraste was also a dead person who failed (in her quest to bring down Tevinter and free the slaves forever). However, this assertion is made before we actually meet Mythal in the form of Flemeth, before we discover Solas is really the Dread Wolf and that the current reality is the result of him shutting away the elven gods by creating the Veil. So if Sera couldn't reconcile the two things before all this, how much more mind blowing must it have been for her afterwards. Now in world you can understand why, when the Inquisitor returns with this story after meeting with Solas, people are inclined not to believe them. Their reaction is probably pretty much like that of Sera. The apostate elf had clearly gone crazy, probably having been possessed by a demon. Thus, whilst he clearly needs putting down before he does any real damage, the idea that he actually created the Veil is just bullshit. Because you cannot reconcile Solas' story with the Chant of Light and whilst it is understandable that people in world would find it hard to accept the former without a massive crisis of faith, we can take a more objective view of the whole thing. The only way Solas' story fits with the Chant is if you accept the person who spoke with Andraste was not the creator god of the world before the elves existed but the creator of the world as it is currently. Then the sequence of Veil cutting off the Fade, followed by the rise of the humans fits the facts. Also, the Maker's claim to have imprisoned the gods. Even the idea of the Fade being the domain of the Maker, the Black City belonging to him and the Magisters breaking into the Black City and releasing the Blight on the world being condemned by him as bringing "doom upon the world" because the gates to the city had been sealed for the express purpose of keeping it within. That is what I mean between the difference between them revealing whether there is an actual "Maker" as distinct from Andraste's Maker. Of course, I could be entirely wrong about the direction they are heading with all this but even without that, Solas having claimed to have created the Veil and having the power to alter reality as he did, which should really only the purview of the Creator of the Universe, did somewhat diminish their claim never to prove the Maker one way or another.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 29, 2021 10:19:20 GMT
Even if there is some sort of creator diety, it's pretty obvious at this point that the Chantry version of it is so inaccurate that we can safely call it false.
As for whether or not people will remember the "Herald", my protags always reject that title, insofar as the game allows, and since we're moving on to new characters dealing with a new threat, I can't imagine it would come up much.
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Post by duskwanderer on Aug 29, 2021 13:21:50 GMT
I care little about what someone "seems" to be true. I care about what is true. So should everyone, BTW. But we're talking about belief in the Herald of Andraste. I think that DA won't go far enough into the future for it to truly matter. But I think that, as is the story of all mythological figures, the story will change quickly. I fully expect one group to say the Herald was virile and sired dozens and someone a few villages over to say her breasts could nourish a small island's worth of babies. Eh, you come across as caring about having your view on the setting's conflicts validated, that's it. Call it truhf if you want.
You were just bringing out your generalised strawman against users who said something you apprently don't like. I mean, I could also say that you are (abrasively) dismissing anything that goes against "Chantry right truth because Chantry says so".
But I can totally see that tons of people (I suppose especially orlesians, given their penchant for coming up with custom titles) would field the claim to be related to the "Herald", even if it wouldn't make that much sense in a given situation, like say, humans tripping over themselves claiming to be descendents before the identy of the Inquisitor is totally erased and twisted into the standard "faithful(TM) human non-mage". And you come off as utterly insane rejecting the Chant because it comes from those disgusting humans. And I ignore what you say because it lacks rationality. People would claim to be related to the Herald even if the relationship was outlandish. They would do that even if the Herald wasn't called "Herald" due to sealing the rifts. Claiming to be related to famous people isn't new.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 29, 2021 14:11:12 GMT
And you come off as utterly insane rejecting the Chant because it comes from those disgusting humans. As I pointed out on the other thread, there are people in game who are Andrastrians or, more accurately, Maker worshipers and yet reject the Chant of Light of the southern Chantry. Hopefully next game we will learn exactly what parts of Andraste's teaching the Imperial Chantry believe. We know they reject the idea of Andraste as anything other than a prophet of her religion and also believe she was a mage, which seems a reasonable enough idea given what we know about her from WoT2. Also, we know the Avvar, a branch of the Alamaari, have an Augur, who is a mage who deals with their spiritual needs, with a separate Chieftain who is the martial and political leader. This was exactly the arrangement that Andraste and Maferath seemed to have. I do not reject the Chant because it comes from humans. I reject the Chant because it came from Drakon and Justinia I. If I could find a version of the Chant that can be shown to originate from before them, I might well adopt that. In fact, I've tried going through the Chant and editing out the bits that are not said to be authentically from Andraste but I am still not confident that they didn't alter her words to suit their political agenda. I'm still troubled by the fact that monotheism only seem to have become part of the faith in the Maker with Drakon and the other tribes (and Ameridan) seemed to have no problem with worshiping the Maker as one among many. It will be interesting to see if we are given a different version of the Chant when we reach Tevinter. There is definitely an Imperial Chant of Light in existence because it is on the southern Chantry's list of especially banned books. We know the southern Divine had already taken out the Canticle of Silence before the break with the Imperial Chantry, because she felt it was too full of Hessarian's political propaganda to be regarded as sacred verse but I assume there must be other differences to the Imperial Chant. It would be interesting to compare the two. Incidentally, I doubt anyone up in Tevinter will acknowledge the Inquisitor as "Herald of Andraste".
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