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Post by witchcocktor on Nov 7, 2021 0:36:45 GMT
I am not ready for DA4 at all, because I know it's going to disappoint. The later the better in this case... maybe. With the amount of people leaving and the direction changing every damn year, they better not push out an incomplete messy turd.
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Post by xrayspex73 on Nov 28, 2021 10:05:15 GMT
DA4 isn't coming out in 2022 and very likely won't come out in 2023.
Also, it will probably be terrible.
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Post by Zemgus on Nov 28, 2021 11:22:59 GMT
DA4 isn't coming out in 2022 and very likely won't come out in 2023. Also, it will probably be terrible. I personally don't much care anymore if the game is terrible or not. I just want a conclusion. The sooner the better.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Nov 28, 2021 12:57:38 GMT
DA4 isn't coming out in 2022 and very likely won't come out in 2023. Also, it will probably be terrible. I personally don't much care anymore if the game is terrible or not. I just want a conclusion. The sooner the better. I don't think they will stop at the fourth game. If they do it will be because EA canceled it and I don't think the team will make the game as if it's the last dragon age game.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 28, 2021 20:12:29 GMT
I personally don't much care anymore if the game is terrible or not. I just want a conclusion. The sooner the better. I don't think they will stop at the fourth game. If they do it will be because EA canceled it and I don't think the team will make the game as if it's the last dragon age game. No one writes things to be the last chapter anymore. There is always room for expansion and more story elements to follow up. This is how it should be.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Nov 28, 2021 20:58:08 GMT
I don't think they will stop at the fourth game. If they do it will be because EA canceled it and I don't think the team will make the game as if it's the last dragon age game. No one writes things to be the last chapter anymore. There is always room for expansion and more story elements to follow up. This is how it should be. I agree that this shouldn't be the last dragon age. As for some other stuff..well I don't think every movie needs five sequels. Now I don't really caremost of the time and find that people who complain about it could just not watch it, unless they leave it as a cliffhanger and then take oh over a decade to finish the things still waiting for winds of winter!
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 29, 2021 22:10:54 GMT
No one writes things to be the last chapter anymore. There is always room for expansion and more story elements to follow up. This is how it should be. I agree that this shouldn't be the last dragon age. Snip
Yet, if DA4 has no dragongs flying and attacking and destroying what's the point of calling this series "Dragon Age"?
4Q 2022 is still a good possibility. Remember that EA tasked Bio to pull the live service element from development (for reasons). That means the game's overall design/plot/story was approved and develpment was ongoing.... which should make the development simpler.
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Post by NotN7 on Nov 29, 2021 23:23:56 GMT
I really don't care when DA4 goes live, going by how long it is taking to go live which tells me if there will be a DA5 I'm not going to wait for it I'm sure I will have passed on from old age by then.
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 30, 2021 16:01:52 GMT
All I want is BioWare not to announce a date until they are sure the game is going to be ready this time. You would have thought they would have known that Andromeda or Anthem were ready for their release dates by the state of development of those two games or at least this time have someone in a leadership position that takes the axe to content to make sure they are ready for those dates.
As far as that date, I doubt it. Its a placeholder date that someone probably speculated on from some comment during an investor's relation meeting about not talking about a game that is still at least x number of years out from release.
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Post by Croatsky on Dec 4, 2021 22:28:01 GMT
So nothing until next year, so unlikely we will see anything this VGA, meaning even less likely game will be released sooner than we think per this article I posted a month ago.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Dec 4, 2021 22:44:11 GMT
1. As much ballyooed topic around here rears up again. Don't trust it, etc etc. However if this is true well I am probably not going to be able to get through all the games before it comes out because i imagine when DA 4 comes out this might be all I do for like...a year. . Obviously I will make room in the schedule but there we are. 2. As such this does come off as being very skeptical. Now they said that this was with regards to 'this year' so that theoreotically anyways this 'leak' should come after the pandemic started so it should take any delays due to the pandemic into account though even then the aritcle itself admits that it could still be 2023 which is still a pretty safe best. 3. The only reason why I would give this any real credence is this is almost exactly 6 months after the Game Awards. IE the same window that some games like Fallout 4 or Ghost Recon Breakpoint and I think a few others have basically announced themselves and started their full marketing campaign and the window that I and many others around here would prefer them to start their marketing on. Now they have not announced they will be at the game awards or even teased it so that itself is not a given and this does not account for maybe likely delays that could get it shunted back to late 2022 or even 2023 still...but that is literally the only thing they can logically do with the marketing at this point, they already dropped two small teasers and while I wouldn't mind another small teaser...I'm thirsty for anything DA related...I think at this point it would make no sense just to do that. Again.
I think BioWare has been trying a marketing campaign similar to how Bethesda did Fallout 4 with an announcement teaser years ahead of the game basically saying that they're making the game then nothing, no more teasers, posters, or major updates nothing. Then suddenly almost without warning they release a bunch of trailers in about 3 months before it comes out making both fans and press scramble to catch up.
Or maybe that is how I remember the marketing for Fallout 4 and some of that is just me because I don't pay as much attention to about stuff like the release dates of video games, movies, TV shows, comics, toys, novels and etc as I used too and ultimately I think I'm better off because of it.
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Post by yarus on Dec 4, 2021 23:45:24 GMT
archive.md/wip/OgZIz>30 years ago, in 9:22 Dragon >Casually announcing "the present" of this story is 9:52 Dragon Oh boy, there's nothing I love my than pointless timeskips!
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Post by colfoley on Dec 5, 2021 0:20:57 GMT
archive.md/wip/OgZIz>30 years ago, in 9:22 Dragon >Casually announcing "the present" of this story is 9:52 Dragon Oh boy, there's nothing I love my than pointless timeskips! Aside from the existence of the time skip itself how do we know its pointless?
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Post by Croatsky on Dec 5, 2021 1:12:50 GMT
archive.md/wip/OgZIz>30 years ago, in 9:22 Dragon >Casually announcing "the present" of this story is 9:52 Dragon Oh boy, there's nothing I love my than pointless timeskips! DAI starts 10 years after end of the Fifth Blight, as well events of Tresspasser happen 14 years after DAO starts.
On top of that irl, we will likely have DA4 released close to a decade after DAI release.
So it's not too surprising BW went with such timeskip.
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I have no idea how autocorrect got me to Fight instead of Fifth.
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Post by andydandymandy on Dec 5, 2021 2:23:49 GMT
So nothing until next year, so unlikely we will see anything this VGA, meaning even less likely game will be released sooner than we think per this article I posted a month ago. BioWare coming out and confirming that its going to be a single-player focused game is a relief.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Dec 5, 2021 13:07:09 GMT
archive.md/wip/OgZIz>30 years ago, in 9:22 Dragon >Casually announcing "the present" of this story is 9:52 Dragon Oh boy, there's nothing I love my than pointless timeskips! DAI starts 10 years after end of the Fight Blight, as well events of Tresspasser happen 14 years after DAO starts.
On top of that irl, we will likely have DA4 released close to a decade after DAI release.
So it's not too surprising BW went with such timeskip.
Actually DAI takes place after the fifth blight not the first. That said I agree with the rest. Besides why does the game need to take place directly after. It made sense with the DA2 story to have it take place directly after..or rather it started during the timeline of origins. DAI was dealing with the mage templar war so having it take place less then a year after DA2 ended made sense. As for tresspasser it would make absolutely no sense if it had been right after DAI finished as there was no time for resentment to build. So jumps in timelines aren't a big deal. Although if it is a thirty year time jump that is a bit much.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Dec 30, 2021 15:01:22 GMT
Making a fan base wait nearly a decade in between releases is not a good way to maintain a healthy fan base. DA 4 should have come out years ago and we should have either been anticipating DA 5 by now or DA's spiritual successor. Bioware never should have screwed around with Anthem.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 30, 2021 15:35:18 GMT
Actually DAI takes place after the fifth blight not the first. That said I agree with the rest. Besides why does the game need to take place directly after. It made sense with the DA2 story to have it take place directly after..or rather it started during the timeline of origins. DAI was dealing with the mage templar war so having it take place less then a year after DA2 ended made sense. As for tresspasser it would make absolutely no sense if it had been right after DAI finished as there was no time for resentment to build. So jumps in timelines aren't a big deal. Although if it is a thirty year time jump that is a bit much. Actually, according to the timeline, it took place 3 years after the events of DA2. DG wrote the novel Asunder in order to explain the time gap because, based off what was said at the end of DA2 you would think that the Circles rebelled straight after the events in Kirkwall and Cassandra/Leliana had also come to investigate only a short interval afterwards. Having Cassandra turn up to question Varric after 3 years really made no sense. Wasn't the Divine concerned to discover what actually happened straight after the event? This seems to be the problem with continuity by the writers. For DA2 there was an excuse because there should have been a DLC (Exalted March) tying off the story that would have acted as the bridge to DAI but after that was cancelled, they had to incorporate important bits into DAI, which is why the end of DA2 doesn't really match with the time skip of 3 years. Now there is going to be another time skip after the end of Trespasser, which seems odd because we are left wondering what the shadow Inquisition will have been doing for the last 8 years since the Inquisitor spoke with Solas, seeing as they vowed to stop him. Hopefully, the explanation will be plausible.
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Post by legbamel on Dec 31, 2021 13:18:12 GMT
It would definitely have made more sense for it to take 3 years for the Divine to gather an army and march it across half of Thedas than for Cassandra to take 3 years to get from Val Rouyeaux to Kirkwall. Even assuming it took some time to figure out what happened and who to interrogate, that's some slow investigative work.
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 31, 2021 14:00:58 GMT
Making a fan base wait nearly a decade in between releases is not a good way to maintain a healthy fan base. DA 4 should have come out years ago and we should have either been anticipating DA 5 by now or DA's spiritual successor. Bioware never should have screwed around with Anthem. If they weren't taking this long we would have had a Dragon Age game that looked more like Anthem then any other BioWare game. Then the complaints would have been about how releasing a game like that isn't a healthy way to maintain a fanbase. If people are fans they are going to come back if the game is good regardless of the time between releases. People sopped up Star Wars when it was decades between releases and only after Disney buried it with rushed sequels to fit some magical release window they were able to get people back with a good television series. So releasing a good product will always be better for the franchise then some rushed game to fit whatever timeline you want to conjure.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jan 4, 2022 21:03:44 GMT
Making a fan base wait nearly a decade in between releases is not a good way to maintain a healthy fan base. DA 4 should have come out years ago and we should have either been anticipating DA 5 by now or DA's spiritual successor. Bioware never should have screwed around with Anthem. If they weren't taking this long we would have had a Dragon Age game that looked more like Anthem then any other BioWare game. Then the complaints would have been about how releasing a game like that isn't a healthy way to maintain a fanbase. If people are fans they are going to come back if the game is good regardless of the time between releases. People sopped up Star Wars when it was decades between releases and only after Disney buried it with rushed sequels to fit some magical release window they were able to get people back with a good television series. So releasing a good product will always be better for the franchise then some rushed game to fit whatever timeline you want to conjure. A decade dude a friggin decade. The last time there was new game content for DA Obama was President.
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Post by ClarkKent on Jan 5, 2022 9:05:45 GMT
Making a fan base wait nearly a decade in between releases is not a good way to maintain a healthy fan base. DA 4 should have come out years ago and we should have either been anticipating DA 5 by now or DA's spiritual successor. Bioware never should have screwed around with Anthem. I still remember being really excited by the prospect of a new Bioware IP back before Anthem was announced. I remember speculating 'oh could it be a spiritual successor to Jade Empire, or an urban fantasy, or could it be another sci-fi' all while under the impression that it was going to be a 'traditional' Bioware SP game. Then Anthem was announced and any sort of interest I had fell off a cliff completely. The next time I heard from the game was with the reviews. Sad times.
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Post by Garo on Jan 5, 2022 10:11:34 GMT
If they weren't taking this long we would have had a Dragon Age game that looked more like Anthem then any other BioWare game. Then the complaints would have been about how releasing a game like that isn't a healthy way to maintain a fanbase. If people are fans they are going to come back if the game is good regardless of the time between releases. People sopped up Star Wars when it was decades between releases and only after Disney buried it with rushed sequels to fit some magical release window they were able to get people back with a good television series. So releasing a good product will always be better for the franchise then some rushed game to fit whatever timeline you want to conjure. A decade dude a friggin decade. The last time there was new game content for DA Obama was President.
Yea but look at Skyrim or GTA, do you think people won't buy the next installment because it took too long? I know DA is not even close to that level of popularity but still I would say quality is more important here than how fast we will get the game. A great DA game can turn around BW reputation and a bad DA game can result in EA closing them altogether. There is really no incentive for them to rush this and I'm sure they will use all the time EA is willing to give to them.
Still I hope the game will release in early 2023 and will be very good but 2024 is really not hard to imagine.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 5, 2022 11:03:30 GMT
A decade dude a friggin decade. The last time there was new game content for DA Obama was President.
Yea but look at Skyrim or GTA, do you think people won't buy the next installment because it took too long? I know DA is not even close to that level of popularity but still I would say quality is more important here than how fast we will get the game. A great DA game can turn around BW reputation and a bad DA game can result in EA closing them altogether. There is really no incentive for them to rush this and I'm sure they will use all the time EA is willing to give to them.
Still I hope the game will release in early 2023 and will be very good but 2024 is really not hard to imagine.
relevant to that point look at all the bridges rockstar has been burning lately.
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