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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Nov 4, 2021 22:01:52 GMT
"Dragon Age 4's release date is June 14, 2022. ...Jeff Grubb also recently commented on Dragon Age 4, saying BioWare was internally focusing on 2023. So, marketing in 2022 would make sense, but not a release date." I think that 2022 was a good bet for a release year before the pandemic. But with Covid it obviously has an impact so yeah 2023 does makes a lot of sense.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Nov 4, 2021 22:31:23 GMT
Interestingly the leak had entries for both "Dragon Age 4" and "Morrison" with the latter having a release date of February 8, 2023. The DA4 might be an older placeholder date. Probably both are just placeholders though and I'm not expecting it until 2023.
2023-02-08 Morrison BioWare Corp. Electronic Arts Inc.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 5, 2021 1:58:58 GMT
1. As much ballyooed topic around here rears up again. Don't trust it, etc etc. However if this is true well I am probably not going to be able to get through all the games before it comes out because i imagine when DA 4 comes out this might be all I do for like...a year. . Obviously I will make room in the schedule but there we are. 2. As such this does come off as being very skeptical. Now they said that this was with regards to 'this year' so that theoreotically anyways this 'leak' should come after the pandemic started so it should take any delays due to the pandemic into account though even then the aritcle itself admits that it could still be 2023 which is still a pretty safe best. 3. The only reason why I would give this any real credence is this is almost exactly 6 months after the Game Awards. IE the same window that some games like Fallout 4 or Ghost Recon Breakpoint and I think a few others have basically announced themselves and started their full marketing campaign and the window that I and many others around here would prefer them to start their marketing on. Now they have not announced they will be at the game awards or even teased it so that itself is not a given and this does not account for maybe likely delays that could get it shunted back to late 2022 or even 2023 still...but that is literally the only thing they can logically do with the marketing at this point, they already dropped two small teasers and while I wouldn't mind another small teaser...I'm thirsty for anything DA related...I think at this point it would make no sense just to do that. Again.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Nov 5, 2021 2:01:21 GMT
Meh.
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Post by Hrungr on Nov 5, 2021 2:41:17 GMT
Yeah, it's just a middle-of-the-year placeholder date.
From the EA conference call way back when (pre-pandemic), it was looking like Fall 2022. And BW is still WFH, so... I can't see anything earlier than 2023.
Also, BW likes to release their games in either the first quarter of the year or the last quarter. They're not going to release in June.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 5, 2021 15:59:50 GMT
Also, BW likes to release their games in either the first quarter of the year or the last quarter. They're not going to release in June. It's not going to make Q1 of 2023, it would already appear in the FY prediction of 2022. It might not even make Q4 2023.
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Post by ellanathehamster on Nov 5, 2021 19:57:05 GMT
Guys, be realistic At some point, production would become too expensive. They can't delay it more and more. I think late 2022 is a good bet, and perhaps the first half of 2023 as well. But 2024? No way. They would rather cut the scope than invest in the title that much. It has been in full development (and I mean not just a small core team) since 2019.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 5, 2021 20:05:46 GMT
Guys, be realistic At some point, production would become too expensive. They can't delay it more and more. I think late 2022 is a good bet, and perhaps the first half of 2023 as well. But 2024? No way. They would rather cut the scope than invest in the title that much. It has been in full development (and I mean not just a small core team) since 2019. Yeah I mean if it comes out in 2024 I know I will still buy it but there is also no good reason for it to come out that late. If we don't see DA 4 before the end of 2023 I will really worry about the product of the final game or its cancellation.
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Post by FiendishlyInventive on Nov 5, 2021 20:07:04 GMT
I predict either Christmas of 2023 or Summer of 2024, you mark my words.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 5, 2021 20:10:01 GMT
It has been in full development (and I mean not just a small core team) since 2019. Not true. Full development really ramped up just recently. And more people are still being hired for the project. We are still early. If this is a title that's going to be released in the next 12 months, they're going to need to quadrupled the number of their current employees, at the very least. DA4 will require double the manpower of ME3, with severe compartmentalization of the title, to be ready in 12 months. That is not the title you want. That's a recipe for disaster. It is, at best, 2 more years away.
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Post by ellanathehamster on Nov 5, 2021 20:32:14 GMT
It has been in full development (and I mean not just a small core team) since 2019. Not true. Full development really ramped up just recently. And more people are still being hired for the project. We are still early. If this is a title that's going to be released in the next 12 months, they're going to need to quadrupled the number of their current employees, at the very least. DA4 will require double the manpower of ME3, with severe compartmentalization of the title, to be ready in 12 months. That is not the title you want. That's a recipe for disaster. It is, at best, 2 more years away. Nope. They have entered production right before pandemic. Before that they have been in active pre-production which is a development. During this stage you define scope, create systems, tools, core mechanics- basically vertical slice of a game. Plus they have been known to outsource quite a lot of stuff before (especially during DAI), so they won't need to double their manpower. It's not that bad. Yes, they have rebooted core idea a few times (from what we know at least three), but that's how most games are being developed. Right now they are hiring a lot of animators- that means that core stuff is set, cause that part is quite expensive, so they can't experiment much with it. they are looking for cinematic designer as well. Previously they have been looking for producers, that would specifically work with outsource companies. Right now they are looking for external art manager. (in the description- and manage art created by external contributors). They also opened a lot of temporary positions. So it ain't so bad. It's way better that it was last year. Right now we have progress, a real one.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 5, 2021 20:38:51 GMT
Nope. They have entered production right before pandemic. They got out of full development, because of the remove MP mandate from management. At the Q1 2021 mark, they had less content, than they had, before they entered full production. Then they stayed in pre-production again ... I'm the guy that told you when DA4 went into full production, ffs. I know these things. This game is not ready and if they do make a game to release in Q1 2023, dump it. Don't cry your money, just dump it and hope ME5 has a better future. Because that's what Bioware will do. Like Anthem, like Andromeda. It needs 2 more years.
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Post by ellanathehamster on Nov 5, 2021 21:00:24 GMT
Nope. They have entered production right before pandemic. They got out of full development, because of the remove MP mandate from management. At the Q1 2021 mark, they had less content, than they had, before they entered full production. Then they stayed in pre-production again ... I'm the guy that told you when DA4 went into full production, ffs. I know these things. This game is not ready and if they do make a game to release in Q1 2023, dump it. Don't cry your money, just dump it and hope ME5 has a better future. Because that's what Bioware will do. Like Anthem, like Andromeda. It needs 2 more years. And how do you know those things? Why should it have more weight that info, provided by Scylla Costa, their lead producer, who had a talk in March and said that they entered production in 2020? Why should removal of MP affect everything so they need to go back to pre-production? Inventory, dialogues, crafting, class, combat (for the most part), character creation, level design etc. would already have a foundation. Unless multiplayer was one of the pillars of DA4 (and as far as i know, we have no prof that it was), I don't get why removing it would cause a delay for years. Please, tell me more about your source- genuinely interested
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 5, 2021 22:17:32 GMT
And how do you know those things? Why should it have more weight that info, provided by Scylla Costa, their lead producer, who had a talk in March and said that they entered production in 2020? Because I told you about them going into production in May of 2020, although my info was about April 2020 when they went in full production, but I told you in May, I told you about the Anthem rework (and indiscreetly its cancellation), before Jason Schreier, I told you about ME5, I told you about Liara returning, and while I have been gaslighted myself, I have been more times right, than wrong. Why should removal of MP affect everything so they need to go back to pre-production? Inventory, dialogues, crafting, class, combat (for the most part), character creation, level design etc. would already have a foundation. Actually, all those were affected by the MP. Because a lot of those were balanced for the MP, combat, classes, inventory, crafting, even level design. Because that was all content that you were supposed to do with other players and possible future monetization in mind. With all that gone, stages needed to be reworked, rewards, inventory system (capacity and categorization/filtering), material rewards for crafting etc. It all needs to be remade to fit the new SP framework and how that works in contrast to the MP. Unless multiplayer was one of the pillars of DA4 (and as far as i know, we have no prof that it was), I don't get why removing it would cause a delay for years. It was rebooted twice, to be MP heavy at first and a live service the second time. We've got Jason Schreier's articles for that. The best the game can be and the latest it can be released, is Q1 2024. That is the game you want. If it gets scheduled for Q1 2023, ditch it, or at the very least, do not waste your money on a Day 1 purchase, when it can be bargain bin price by the second month of its release.
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Post by githcheater on Nov 5, 2021 23:43:52 GMT
Nah Nah Nah ...Lah Lah Lah ... "We" can't hear you! ... Unless you turn that sour frown upside down and tell us some unrealistic, but happy news.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 6, 2021 0:17:22 GMT
Nah Nah Nah ...Lah Lah Lah ... "We" can't hear you! ... Unless you turn that sour frown upside down and tell us some unrealistic, but happy news. Confimed DA 4 will release tommorow, magically show up in the store of every shop in existance.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Nov 6, 2021 12:18:15 GMT
Personally I hope it's released in 2023 since their is no way I will have a next gen game console before that time and this will likely be a next gen game or have a crappier last gen version like DAI did. Or like cyberpunk 2077 did.
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Post by Croatsky on Nov 6, 2021 18:07:05 GMT
Also, BW likes to release their games in either the first quarter of the year or the last quarter. They're not going to release in June. It's not going to make Q1 of 2023, it would already appear in the FY prediction of 2022. It might not even make Q4 2023. What the hell is FY prediction?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 6, 2021 18:09:49 GMT
It's not going to make Q1 of 2023, it would already appear in the FY prediction of 2022. It might not even make Q4 2023. What the hell is FY prediction? Sorry, guidance. Fiscal Year Guidance. What to expect in terms of revenue, comparative to releases etc. Head no work most of time.
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Post by Croatsky on Nov 6, 2021 18:30:00 GMT
It was rebooted twice, to be MP heavy at first and a live service the second time. We've got Jason Schreier's articles for that. The best the game can be and the latest it can be released, is Q1 2024. That is the game you want. If it gets scheduled for Q1 2023, ditch it, or at the very least, do not waste your money on a Day 1 purchase, when it can be bargain bin price by the second month of its release. That is an extremely strong take and I find it hard to swallow online components were so deeply integrated with DA4 that once decision was made to remove it, it left the game have so little content developed?
It would also be really be wild if DA4 is out 10 years after DAI. Then again, so is 9 years if it's Q1 2023.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 6, 2021 18:55:51 GMT
Yeah, it's just a middle-of-the-year placeholder date. From the EA conference call way back when (pre-pandemic), it was looking like Fall 2022. And BW is still WFH, so... I can't see anything earlier than 2023. Also, BW likes to release their games in either the first quarter of the year or the last quarter. They're not going to release in June. Yeah given Bioware haven't announced anything release date wise I suspec th eearlies we wlil see it will be this time next year and that's assuming they start doing al ltheir promotion stuff around the early part of the year. They cretainl ywon't release a gam ein June a susually the ME or DA game is usually kind of treated by Bioware and EA their crown jewel of thqa tparticular period in that year. By tha tI mean they promote i tt othe hilt tellin geveryone how great it is and how it's a must buy and all that with trailers evreywhere and all tha tstuff. We haven't seen one yet so I think by tha tstandard we won' tbe getting it in June. I could see them start promoting it in June for an early 2023 release if that's wha tthey're going for given that's usually when EA play happens. But personally I think that'll depend on how far along they are with the project and it's probably too early to tell atm.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 6, 2021 18:58:06 GMT
That is an extremely strong take and I find it hard to swallow online components were so deeply integrated with DA4 that once decision was made to remove it, it left the game have so little content developed? It wasn't scrapped, but all of that would need to be reworked, in order to serve under the new direction. Which is why the content that wouldn't need reworking, was entirely too little. The game was being developed with MP entirely in mind. So it stands to reason that most of it wouldn't be functional without it and would need to be redrafted. In fact, it all went back to pre-production and removed from what they had "playable". It's not a hot take. It's just how it works and how MP influences SP development.
It would also be really be wild if DA4 is out 10 years after DAI. Then again, so is 9 years if it's Q1 2023. Which is why Bioware desperately want to avoid the Q1 2024 release. Not to mention that all the games they've release in Q1, since ME3, have been cause of controversy, so they also want to avoid that correlation. They are currently scrambling, because they are close to being at the Anthem state, where they were left with 18 months to make the game. We're still at 22-23 months from Q3 2023 with nothing to show. They will need to have an actual, playable demo by E3 2022 to be ahead of Anthem. It looks doable, but it still needs a lot of work.
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Post by Croatsky on Nov 6, 2021 19:08:35 GMT
That is an extremely strong take and I find it hard to swallow online components were so deeply integrated with DA4 that once decision was made to remove it, it left the game have so little content developed? It wasn't scrapped, but all of that would need to be reworked, in order to serve under the new direction. Which is why the content that wouldn't need reworking, was entirely too little. The game was being developed with MP entirely in mind. So it stands to reason that most of it wouldn't be functional without it and would need to be redrafted. In fact, it all went back to pre-production and removed from what they had "playable". It's not a hot take. It's just how it works and how MP influences SP development.
It would also be really be wild if DA4 is out 10 years after DAI. Then again, so is 9 years if it's Q1 2023. Which is why Bioware desperately want to avoid the Q1 2024 release. Not to mention that all the games they've release in Q1, since ME3, have been cause of controversy, so they also want to avoid that correlation. They are currently scrambling, because they are close to being at the Anthem state, where they were left with 18 months to make the game. We're still at 22-23 months from Q3 2023 with nothing to show. They will need to have an actual, playable demo by E3 2022 to be ahead of Anthem. It looks doable, but it still needs a lot of work. I don't know, this sounds more like the worst case scenario of how much reworking needs to be done since February. Not necessarily what is actually happening with SP only rework.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 6, 2021 21:43:24 GMT
I don't know, this sounds more like the worst case scenario of how much reworking needs to be done since February. Not necessarily what is actually happening with SP only rework. It's a realistic one, when your game gets rebooted twice, each time to shove in more MP elements into it.
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