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Post by themikefest on Jul 16, 2022 11:51:54 GMT
Ultimately, I am in agreement with themikefest that the game should finish with the "Hackett ending". End the game with the conversation between Anderson and Shepard and then Shepard staring out into space as he bleeds. Cut to the relay firing, show the energy being blasted out by the relay system (but do not show the relay being broken), show the galaxy map with the energy bouncing through all the relays. End with the close-up of Hackett talking about how it was a narrow victory (or whatever; it has been awhile since I got that ending). You've literally described the current version of MEHEM, which is Audemus' Happy Ending Mod. (AHEM) Shep/Anderson conversation, Crucible hooks up with the Citadel, beam fires and Reapers and Reaplets all fall down or disintegrated. As it should be. While the happy mod is ok, it leaves open a couple of questions. The SR2 leaves Earth to wherever. How long after the crucible fires does it take for the ship to return to hear voices calling out Shepard? With Hackett's ending, I would have someone from C-Sec, likely Bailey, find the Commander. By the time the crew and squad return, Shepard is in the hospital being taken of. The other question is regards to ME2 characters on the SR2. How did they end up on the ship? The same with Shepard. In Mr. Fob's ending mod, it has a scene with them recovering Shepard. What makes Hackett ending a perfect fit is because it was already in the game. That is good because console users can get that ending as well. In a long shot scenario, depending on how quickly Shepard is found, it's possible Anderson might survive, barely. Most of my old saves don't work because too many non-existent mods were used in them. I think I only have three saves this time but that's okay. I'll use them. But maybe I should give all four endings a shot. Just in case I want to see how it could come into play with ME4. I wouldn't. I will always choose the red regardless of what will come into play for ME4. If I were to choose the others, my console and computer would be contaminated leading me to throwing them out. I would be curious what choices they would keep intact. I would change one. The quarians and geth. Instead of having the geth upload the code, Admiral "I have an itchy trigger finger" Gerrell stands down long enough causing the geth to cease fire. It might lead to talks between the two groups for having peace. At least for a short time until the reapers are dealt with. The biggest WTF came when the Destroy Ending did just that, it was just a matter of using player saves to determine how fast the galaxy rebuilt and how it would do so which will likely be the plot of the next game. Given that we've heard the galaxy isn't in such good shape in ME4, we'd either have low EMS ending (which would kill Shepard and the crew) or this new ending which does impact the galaxy negatively (except the obvious positive of no more Reapers) but still leave the Normandy crew intact. And I guess EDI and the geth. How true do you believe about earth not being in good shape? Is this another one of Gamble's comments? Until something is confirmed about the next game, I don't believe much of anything Gamble says since he was incorrect about Bioware taking player choice seriously. Given that we've heard the galaxy isn't in such good shape in ME4, we'd either have low EMS ending (which would kill Shepard and the crew) or this new ending which does impact the galaxy negatively (except the obvious positive of no more Reapers) but still leave the Normandy crew intact. And I guess EDI and the geth. Pretty much, unless the teaser was done using a Low EMS ending and players will be able to get a slightly better version. But I suspect they might redo the ending on the first phase to aling it with the new game. What is your definition of low-ems? Is it when both squadmates are vaporized by Harbinger with the galaxy rebuilding? Or is it with Earth being scorched? If the latter, t'soni would be dead. If Bioware has it where she did survive, then the crew, and whatever squadmates on the ship survive as well. Remember in that ending the door to the SR2 does not open hinting at everyone onboard is dead. Pretty much, unless the teaser was done using a Low EMS ending and players will be able to get a slightly better version. But I suspect they might redo the ending on the first phase to aling it with the new game. I'm pretty sure Liara (and all the other companions) die in a Low-EMS ending. Do they? Were all ME2 squadmates on Earth fighting at the end? If not, those who weren't might have survived. I say that because it's shown that soldier on earth, I believe to be earth, lifting up that Alliance helmet. If he survived at ground zero, the ME2 squadmates, might have survived, if they weren't fighting on earth. Only time will tell what will happen. If they do whatever with the endings, I rather they remake the trilogy starting right after the beacon on Eden Prime in ME1.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 16, 2022 13:32:44 GMT
While the happy mod is ok, it leaves open a couple of questions. The SR2 leaves Earth to wherever. How long after the crucible fires does it take for the ship to return to hear voices calling out Shepard? With Hackett's ending, I would have someone from C-Sec, likely Bailey, find the Commander. By the time the crew and squad return, Shepard is in the hospital being taken of. How is this different from high EMS ending? They still land somewhere else and still return later to find Shepard. I would be curious what choices they would keep intact. I think all choices should remain intact other than the ending.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 16, 2022 14:17:06 GMT
While the happy mod is ok, it leaves open a couple of questions. The SR2 leaves Earth to wherever. How long after the crucible fires does it take for the ship to return to hear voices calling out Shepard? With Hackett's ending, I would have someone from C-Sec, likely Bailey, find the Commander. By the time the crew and squad return, Shepard is in the hospital being taken of. How is this different from high EMS ending? They still land somewhere else and still return later to find Shepard How long do you believe time has passed from when the crucible fired to when they find Shepard? If the crew/squad were to find Shepard, the SR2 never have left. Once the crucible fires, a shuttle is sent to where Shepard is located. If you mean they find Shepard in the hospital being treated, then sure. What is different is there is no magic carpet ride up to lala land to meet dumb,dumb. There's no you don't know them, and there's not enough time to explain. There's none of that other hocus pocus crap thing mentions.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 16, 2022 14:40:44 GMT
You've literally described the current version of MEHEM, which is Audemus' Happy Ending Mod. (AHEM) Shep/Anderson conversation, Crucible hooks up with the Citadel, beam fires and Reapers and Reaplets all fall down or disintegrated. As it should be. While the happy mod is ok, it leaves open a couple of questions. The SR2 leaves Earth to wherever. How long after the crucible fires does it take for the ship to return to hear voices calling out Shepard? With Hackett's ending, I would have someone from C-Sec, likely Bailey, find the Commander. By the time the crew and squad return, Shepard is in the hospital being taken of. The other question is regards to ME2 characters on the SR2. How did they end up on the ship? The same with Shepard. In Mr. Fob's ending mod, it has a scene with them recovering Shepard. What makes Hackett ending a perfect fit is because it was already in the game. That is good because console users can get that ending as well. In a long shot scenario, depending on how quickly Shepard is found, it's possible Anderson might survive, barely. THe problem here is ME3 wasn't really made to be modded, so the modders are limited in what they can actually do. It's way easier to work with assets already in the game rather than create an entire original scene. I think it's remarkable what the ending mods had been able to create given the circumstances But the squadmates were all recalled tot the SR2, weren't they? And it crashes in a Low-EMS ending. [/quote] If they were willing to do that, they would have done so with the recent trilogy release. [/quote]
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Post by themikefest on Jul 16, 2022 16:24:10 GMT
THe problem here is ME3 wasn't really made to be modded, so the modders are limited in what they can actually do. It's way easier to work with assets already in the game rather than create an entire original scene. I think it's remarkable what the ending mods had been able to create given the circumstances Why is it a problem? Hackett's ending is based on what was told to the player after the coup. The part with Bailey finding Shepard is speculation, just as the possibility of Anderson barely surviving, but the rest of it can happen if Bioware were to remove everything after Shepard passes out. Once he/she is unconscious, and the arms are fully opened, the crucible fires the beam throughout the galaxy destroying the reapers. The rest is up to Bioware as to what happens after that. Were the squadmates recalled? If so, when/where did that happen? The SR2 also crashes on the unknown planet if ems is between 4000-6200(approximately) without anyone onboard dying. If ems is above 6200 the ships fly off the planet. Why? It was a remaster of the trilogy. If they did fiddle around with the ending, or any other part, how long would that have taken?
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Post by Iakus on Jul 16, 2022 16:49:22 GMT
THe problem here is ME3 wasn't really made to be modded, so the modders are limited in what they can actually do. It's way easier to work with assets already in the game rather than create an entire original scene. I think it's remarkable what the ending mods had been able to create given the circumstances Why is it a problem? Hackett's ending is based on what was told to the player after the coup. The part with Bailey finding Shepard is speculation, just as the possibility of Anderson barely surviving, but the rest of it can happen if Bioware were to remove everything after Shepard passes out. Once he/she is unconscious, and the arms are fully opened, the crucible fires the beam throughout the galaxy destroying the reapers. The rest is up to Bioware as to what happens after that. Not saying that ending couldn't have happened. In fact, it's quite plausible. The problem would be showing it using assets available to modders. I mean, sure you could do a couple of lines of voiceover work having someone radio in that Shepard had been found alive during the memorial scene, but how do yo show Shepard being rescued, or a hospital scene? Original MEHEM was only able to show a marine grasping Shepard's arm (with the rest of Shepard being offscreen) It's pretty much implied that when the Normandy picks up the squadmates (and Harbinger nicely holds fire while this happens) that ALL the squadmates are lifted off. Otherwise, couldn't Shepard have simply swapped out for fresh ones for the charge? I'll defer to your expertise on what EMS is required for a fatal crash [/quote] I dunno, how long did it change to edit Miranda's butt shots?
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Post by themikefest on Jul 16, 2022 16:57:03 GMT
Not saying that ending couldn't have happened. In fact, it's quite plausible. The problem would be showing it using assets available to modders. I mean, sure you could do a couple of lines of voiceover work having someone radio in that Shepard had been found alive during the memorial scene, but how do yo show Shepard being rescued, or a hospital scene? Original MEHEM was only able to show a marine grasping Shepard's arm (with the rest of Shepard being offscreen) How hard would it be to add an image of crew and squad standing next to Shepard in the hospital? Those are the squadmates on the ME3 roster. Not the ME2 squad minus Garrus and Tali.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 16, 2022 17:14:53 GMT
Not saying that ending couldn't have happened. In fact, it's quite plausible. The problem would be showing it using assets available to modders. I mean, sure you could do a couple of lines of voiceover work having someone radio in that Shepard had been found alive during the memorial scene, but how do yo show Shepard being rescued, or a hospital scene? Original MEHEM was only able to show a marine grasping Shepard's arm (with the rest of Shepard being offscreen) How hard would it be to add an image of crew and squad standing next to Shepard in the hospital? While an ending slide would have been better than a faceless torso scene Bioware "gave" us, it still probably wouldn't be enough. People would have wanted an ending SCENE with Shepard reunited with the crew 9like the modded memorial scene) And even with a hospital slide, we are still left with Shepard's image: male or female, generic or custom, which crew and squad, etc.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 16, 2022 21:25:54 GMT
I have suggested in the past having Shepard wearing hoodie with LI beside him/her while looking over the horizon. If no LI, Jacob Taylor will be the default stand-in . Or have Shepard standing alone.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 17, 2022 1:28:21 GMT
I have suggested in the past having Shepard wearing hoodie with LI beside him/her while looking over the horizon. If no LI, Jacob Taylor will be the default stand-in . Or have Shepard standing alone.
Fine so long as Jacob says something stupid like normal. It'll give me an opportunity to smack him down one last time.
Not saying that ending couldn't have happened. In fact, it's quite plausible. The problem would be showing it using assets available to modders. I mean, sure you could do a couple of lines of voiceover work having someone radio in that Shepard had been found alive during the memorial scene, but how do yo show Shepard being rescued, or a hospital scene? Original MEHEM was only able to show a marine grasping Shepard's arm (with the rest of Shepard being offscreen) I admittedly used JAM instead of MEHEM but in that ending Shepard is on the Normandy and places Anderson's plaque on the wall. If a modder could do that easily you'd think BioWare could do the same.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 17, 2022 11:20:58 GMT
Fine so long as Jacob says something stupid like normal. It'll give me an opportunity to smack him down one last time. Since it's likely Bioware will have the asari be the default, I like the opportunity to smack her upside the head.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 17, 2022 16:08:08 GMT
Fine so long as Jacob says something stupid like normal. It'll give me an opportunity to smack him down one last time. Since it's likely Bioware will have the asari be the default, I like the opportunity to smack her upside the head. How about smacking Jacob upside the head with Liara?
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Post by Iakus on Jul 17, 2022 16:09:10 GMT
I have suggested in the past having Shepard wearing hoodie with LI beside him/her while looking over the horizon. If no LI, Jacob Taylor will be the default stand-in . Or have Shepard standing alone.
Fine so long as Jacob says something stupid like normal. It'll give me an opportunity to smack him down one last time.
Not saying that ending couldn't have happened. In fact, it's quite plausible. The problem would be showing it using assets available to modders. I mean, sure you could do a couple of lines of voiceover work having someone radio in that Shepard had been found alive during the memorial scene, but how do yo show Shepard being rescued, or a hospital scene? Original MEHEM was only able to show a marine grasping Shepard's arm (with the rest of Shepard being offscreen) I admittedly used JAM instead of MEHEM but in that ending Shepard is on the Normandy and places Anderson's plaque on the wall. If a modder could do that easily you'd think BioWare could do the same. MEHEM did the same thing. But I believe that is just replacing the image of another character with Shepard's,.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 17, 2022 16:56:59 GMT
Since it's likely Bioware will have the asari be the default, I like the opportunity to smack her upside the head. How about smacking Jacob upside the head with Liara? I'd buy that for a dollar. And Liara would have a use for a change besides being a creepy ass stalker.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 18, 2022 3:52:31 GMT
Since it's likely Bioware will have the asari be the default, I like the opportunity to smack her upside the head. How about smacking Jacob upside the head with Liara? Win!!!
In my current PT I came to see how utterly stupid just about everything that comes out of Jacob's mouth is. And I haven't even done more than recruit Garrus and Mordin. Well, I guess Zaaed, too.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 18, 2022 3:53:48 GMT
MEHEM did the same thing. But I believe that is just replacing the image of another character with Shepard's,. MEHEM had some cheesy dialogue and space battle that JAM skipped. At least I think that's why I stopped using MEHEM and went to JAM. But now it's AHEM.
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It was underwhelming, I prefer the sheer epicness of ME2's ending as ME's last scene.
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Post by talyn82 on Jun 25, 2024 6:44:54 GMT
It was underwhelming, I prefer the sheer epicness of ME2's ending as ME's last scene. I also liked how everyone in the squad played a part in the Suicide Mission. ME2 has the best squad in my opinion.
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Sorry to bump a bit, I was around during the OT days of ME3, originally you weren't ever going to be able to successfully complete ME3 end game without Multiplayer, at the time I had a very crappy internet so pretty much out of the question, plus know there were players that lacked access to internet. Took them awhile but they did patch that on realizing that not all could do Multiplayer, as for the original original endings... Yes, despite your war assets number, the Normandy was badly damaged after the Crucible blast, all Mass Relays were destroyed regardless what choice you picked and given since Arrival DLC of ME2 showed us what happens when a Relay was destroyed, yeah... Shooting the Starchild originally did nothing, a patch pre-Extended cut and Citadel DLC for that originally 100% had the line from Starchild "So be it" in Harbinger's voice, sadly they've since altered it a bit. But roughly at the time this www.masseffectindoctrination.com/2013/07/part-1-lets-start-at-end.html had been flying around, surprisingly it's still available even to this year though some vid links might be gone sadly. Still, some good data there collected over the years.
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