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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 10, 2021 18:59:50 GMT
Ah, yes, the far sniffing approach. Superior opinion through advanced intellect. You are being dismissive. You resort to personal attacks and claim yourself the victor. This was never a conversation in good faith and I am not inclined to read further into your BS. Have a good day. Not an argument.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Nov 10, 2021 19:14:01 GMT
Exactly. We already saw a krogan and a geth body in that crater in that picture. Both races can be killed in ME3 and it happens in alot more playthroughs then a low ems liara dies outcome. Either they stick with andromeda or people will have to have some choices made cannon even if they jump a thousand years into the future. Is this true? at what point can the Krogan be extermianted as a race in ME3? As for the Geth, the could be rebuild close enough, sure they wouldn't be same Geth as before but the existing platforms could be loaded with a new form of AI based on similar programming. Generally, I don't think it's strictly necessary tot canonize an ending or playthrough, there's plenty of leeway or nuances to be exploited in order to preserve player decisions from the trilogy. If you don't cure the genophage it's heavily implied they die based on the fact that the krogan slide in the epilogue is replaced with the rachni on a desert planet that most people think is tuchanka. I don't know what shows up if you don't cure the genophage and kill the rachni. Even from a logical standpoint though the krogan were already dying out and with the loss's they took in ME3 being ground troops against the reapers would have decimated their numbers. The geth can die in two different choices in ME3. Bringing them back if they were destroyed in a choice would be forced and might as well make keeping them alive cannon.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 10, 2021 19:20:17 GMT
krogan and a geth body and both races can be wiped out in ME3. Krogan species being wiped out in ME3? Are you referring to the image shown in the epilogue? How long to you believe it took for the krogan to be wiped out? Even with the number of krogan dying in ME3, it would still take countless years for them to be wiped out. They have lasted over 1000 years with the genophage. I'm sure they'll be around for at least another 1000 years after ME3.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2021 19:21:26 GMT
If you don't cure the genophage it's heavily implied they die based on the fact that the krogan slide in the epilogue is replaced with the rachni on a desert planet that most people think is tuchanka. I don't know what shows up if you don't cure the genophage and kill the rachni. Even from a logical standpoint though the krogan were already dying out and with the loss's they took in ME3 being ground troops against the reapers would have decimated their numbers. That's still a far cry from implying certain extinction though. The geth can die in two different choices in ME3. Bringing them back if they were destroyed in a choice would be forced and might as well make keeping them alive cannon. Retconning parts of ending may be desirable in certain areas, but my example was to illustrate Bioware has a great deal of leeway in keeping more of people's trilogy playthroughs cannon. Bioware has done this before: Kill the Rachni Queen? A Reaper-crafted Breeder appears. Legion sold to Cerberus? Good thing the Geth had a VI-backup, etc.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Nov 10, 2021 19:29:35 GMT
If you don't cure the genophage it's heavily implied they die based on the fact that the krogan slide in the epilogue is replaced with the rachni on a desert planet that most people think is tuchanka. I don't know what shows up if you don't cure the genophage and kill the rachni. Even from a logical standpoint though the krogan were already dying out and with the loss's they took in ME3 being ground troops against the reapers would have decimated their numbers. That's still a far cry from implying certain extinction though. The geth can die in two different choices in ME3. Bringing them back if they were destroyed in a choice would be forced and might as well make keeping them alive cannon. Retconning parts of ending may be desirable in certain areas, but my example was to illustrate Bioware has a great deal of leeway in keeping more of people's trilogy playthroughs cannon. Bioware has done this before: Kill the Rachni Queen? A Reaper-crafted Breeder appears. Legion sold to Cerberus? Good thing the Geth had a VI-backup, etc. Personally I don't care if the cannonize that some races survived even if they could have died since I always went for the best possible outcome. That said it was heavily implied that the krogan would be extinct and I think their is less leeway then having a seperate geth VI or having the reapers make a rachni queen. I always saved the rachni queen but if I didn't it would have felt extremely forced to have the rachni queen come back if I did kill her. I suppose it's possible their could be a few krogan left but it will be incredibly forced and might as well be making things cannon.
As a side note it made sense to have several versions of legion since it allowed the geth to operate in small "teams".
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Post by garrusfan1 on Nov 10, 2021 19:36:52 GMT
krogan and a geth body and both races can be wiped out in ME3. Krogan species being wiped out in ME3? Are you referring to the image shown in the epilogue? How long to you believe it took for the krogan to be wiped out? Even with the number of krogan dying in ME3, it would still take countless years for them to be wiped out. They have lasted over 1000 years with the genophage. I'm sure they'll be around for at least another 1000 years after ME3. The images shown were what they implied would happen. The majority of krogan females were on tuchanka. If the rachni were implied to take over tuchanka it implies that tuchanka is free of krogan. The krogan have survived as a species post genophage by still having children. Only small amounts but they still had children. How would they have any new babies if their females were gone? They would have died out quickly. Maybe they would last four hundred years at most.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 10, 2021 19:45:53 GMT
Krogan species being wiped out in ME3? Are you referring to the image shown in the epilogue? How long to you believe it took for the krogan to be wiped out? Even with the number of krogan dying in ME3, it would still take countless years for them to be wiped out. They have lasted over 1000 years with the genophage. I'm sure they'll be around for at least another 1000 years after ME3. The images shown were what they implied would happen. The majority of krogan females were on tuchanka. If the rachni were implied to take over tuchanka it implies that tuchanka is free of krogan. The krogan have survived as a species post genophage by still having children. Only small amounts but they still had children. How would they have any new babies if their females were gone? They would have died out quickly. Maybe they would last four hundred years at most. I would guess Bioware purposely put that image there saying the player made the wrong choice. It's likely Bioware wanted the genophage cured especially if Wrex is around.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2021 19:52:42 GMT
Personally I don't care if the cannonize that some races survived even if they could have died since I always went for the best possible outcome. That said it was heavily implied that the krogan would be extinct and I think their is less leeway then having a seperate geth VI or having the reapers make a rachni queen. I always saved the rachni queen but if I didn't it would have felt extremely forced to have the rachni queen come back if I did kill her. I suppose it's possible their could be a few krogan left but it will be incredibly forced and might as well be making things cannon. As a side note it made sense to have several versions of legion since it allowed the geth to operate in small "teams". Most of this is still dependent on one's interpretation of events. The point I'm making is that Bioware has a very, very high degree of flexibility when it comes to preveserving prior choices (as opposed to outright retcons). Often it's not done very well, see the aforementioned Rachni Queen sitation. In that example it was a very deliberate crafter to choice I order not to outright cut a complete mission and an enemy type, even though it may have been more appriorate.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 10, 2021 20:08:01 GMT
Lol. I just say playing again as Shepard won't happen in my estimation, because of the problems it creates, no matter how often you call or cry for it. Again: you are not the one person that knows what ME has to do. Ah, yes, the far sniffing approach. Superior opinion through advanced intellect. You are being dismissive. You resort to personal attacks and claim yourself the victor. This was never a conversation in good faith and I am not inclined to read further into your BS. Have a good day. That’s rich coming from someone who pretty much does nothing but bad faith arguments and be dismissive of anyone who disagrees with you while arguing you’re superior.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 10, 2021 20:18:34 GMT
Ah, yes, the far sniffing approach. Superior opinion through advanced intellect. You are being dismissive. You resort to personal attacks and claim yourself the victor. This was never a conversation in good faith and I am not inclined to read further into your BS. Have a good day. That’s rich coming from someone who pretty much does nothing but bad faith arguments and be dismissive of anyone who disagrees with you while arguing you’re superior. I always argue with facts and reasonable doubts and questions. Always. I don't even dismiss Gothpunkboy! I've argued him almost every goddamn time, at every goddamn point. It's when people dismiss me, or go around in circles, making the same argument, for the 5th time, that I get upset and dismiss people, because they are literally trying my patience. And I really try.
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Post by skekSil on Nov 10, 2021 20:45:54 GMT
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Post by smilesja on Nov 10, 2021 21:37:36 GMT
That’s rich coming from someone who pretty much does nothing but bad faith arguments and be dismissive of anyone who disagrees with you while arguing you’re superior. I always argue with facts and reasonable doubts and questions. Always. I don't even dismiss Gothpunkboy! I've argued him almost every goddamn time, at every goddamn point. It's when people dismiss me, or go around in circles, making the same argument, for the 5th time, that I get upset and dismiss people, because they are literally trying my patience. And I really try.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 10, 2021 21:40:08 GMT
I always argue with facts and reasonable doubts and questions. Always. I don't even dismiss Gothpunkboy! I've argued him almost every goddamn time, at every goddamn point. It's when people dismiss me, or go around in circles, making the same argument, for the 5th time, that I get upset and dismiss people, because they are literally trying my patience. And I really try. Also not an argument. Just what are you trying to achieve here? If you have something tangible, post it.
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Post by dmc1001 on Nov 10, 2021 21:50:43 GMT
It's not that I'm opposed to a new cast per se but we just went through this. Not looking for a third cast. Or I guess fifth cast.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 10, 2021 21:51:20 GMT
It's not that I'm opposed to a new cast per se but we just went through this. Not looking for a third cast. Or I guess fifth cast. 8th time's the charm.
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Post by ahglock on Nov 10, 2021 21:52:09 GMT
For a AAA game its pretty damn small. Doesn't stop people from using it to demonstrate why ME: A is bad. Yeah, its pretty bad when the majority talking about it aren't happy with your product, whats even worse is a incredibly small number of people caring enough to talk about it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 10, 2021 21:57:03 GMT
Doesn't stop people from using it to demonstrate why ME: A is bad. Yeah, its pretty bad when the majority talking about it aren't happy with your product, whats even worse is a incredibly small number of people caring enough to talk about it. Majority actually like it, and even many of those who didn't at first have come around. But sure, keep living in dreamland.
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Post by ahglock on Nov 10, 2021 21:57:27 GMT
Is this true? at what point can the Krogan be extermianted as a race in ME3? As for the Geth, the could be rebuild close enough, sure they wouldn't be same Geth as before but the existing platforms could be loaded with a new form of AI based on similar programming. Generally, I don't think it's strictly necessary tot canonize an ending or playthrough, there's plenty of leeway or nuances to be exploited in order to preserve player decisions from the trilogy. If you don't cure the genophage it's heavily implied they die based on the fact that the krogan slide in the epilogue is replaced with the rachni on a desert planet that most people think is tuchanka. I don't know what shows up if you don't cure the genophage and kill the rachni. Even from a logical standpoint though the krogan were already dying out and with the loss's they took in ME3 being ground troops against the reapers would have decimated their numbers. The geth can die in two different choices in ME3. Bringing them back if they were destroyed in a choice would be forced and might as well make keeping them alive cannon. You have to both not cure the genophage and save the rachni and it may even be only saving the clone rachni. I never cure the genophage, I never see a slide of them being wiped out with a destroy ending, the only ending I choose.
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Post by FiendishlyInventive on Nov 10, 2021 22:08:17 GMT
Majority do not like it that's complete nonsense.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Nov 10, 2021 22:21:52 GMT
If you don't cure the genophage it's heavily implied they die based on the fact that the krogan slide in the epilogue is replaced with the rachni on a desert planet that most people think is tuchanka. I don't know what shows up if you don't cure the genophage and kill the rachni. Even from a logical standpoint though the krogan were already dying out and with the loss's they took in ME3 being ground troops against the reapers would have decimated their numbers. The geth can die in two different choices in ME3. Bringing them back if they were destroyed in a choice would be forced and might as well make keeping them alive cannon. You have to both not cure the genophage and save the rachni and it may even be only saving the clone rachni. I never cure the genophage, I never see a slide of them being wiped out with a destroy ending, the only ending I choose. I said earlier that it's only if you don't cure the genophage and save the rachni queen. I don't know what the replacement slide is if you kill the queen. The point is the krogan are implied to be extinct if you don't cure the genophage.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Nov 10, 2021 22:29:15 GMT
Majority do not like it that's complete nonsense. When it first came out I would say yes. However with the updates that fixed alot of the glitches and painful animations I think it was a good game and have replayed it multiple times but the updates made a big difference to me. Now I think most people who give it a chance like it and I wish they had made the dlc. It wasn't my favorite mass effect game that goes to ME3 pre ending, but it was still a good game. I really think it got more hate then it deserved.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Nov 10, 2021 22:30:53 GMT
It's not that I'm opposed to a new cast per se but we just went through this. Not looking for a third cast. Or I guess fifth cast. so you want ryder again? Not criticizing since I do too, I was just curious if that's what you meant.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 10, 2021 23:10:07 GMT
That's like saying 12k out of 15k that bought Ms. Marvel, liked Kamala Khan. And 12k may be stretching it, for Andromeda.
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Post by skekSil on Nov 10, 2021 23:23:29 GMT
That's like saying 12k out of 15k that bought Ms. Marvel, liked Kamala Khan. Dunno anything about comic characters beyond movies, so your analogy doesn't really work for me.
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