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Post by dmc1001 on Nov 11, 2021 20:05:11 GMT
It's not that I'm opposed to a new cast per se but we just went through this. Not looking for a third cast. Or I guess fifth cast. so you want ryder again? Not criticizing since I do too, I was just curious if that's what you meant. I liked Ryder, but that wasn't really what I was getting at. People also want a return of Shepard. You had a successful MET cast who rode off into the sunset after winner (or however you ended it). Ryder didn't get lots of approval. The online hate is stupid but I know enough people who said it was merely okay to know that MEA isn't the way forward. Or they're going to have to convince people that Ryder will have grown significantly as a character. I'd be okay with that but it's not going to happen. This leaves of us with a brand new cast in some kind of brand new setting. At this point, it's no longer really Mass Effect. It's just some story with some people set in some place.
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Post by wright1978 on Nov 11, 2021 20:10:48 GMT
so you want ryder again? Not criticizing since I do too, I was just curious if that's what you meant. I liked Ryder, but that wasn't really what I was getting at. People also want a return of Shepard. You had a successful MET cast who rode off into the sunset after winner (or however you ended it). Ryder didn't get lots of approval. The online hate is stupid but I know enough people who said it was merely okay to know that MEA isn't the way forward. Or they're going to have to convince people that Ryder will have grown significantly as a character. I'd be okay with that but it's not going to happen. This leaves of us with a brand new cast in some kind of brand new setting. At this point, it's no longer really Mass Effect. It's just some story with some people set in some place. I don't really see that argument. If its using Liara as a link character, is set in the milky way with all the Milky way races and home worlds i don't see how its not really Mass Effect, even if its setting is altered by 500 years post trilogy timing.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 11, 2021 20:21:35 GMT
I don't really see that argument. If its using Liara as a link character, is set in the milky way with all the Milky way races and home worlds i don't see how its not really Mass Effect, even if its setting is altered by 500 years post trilogy timing. Because one person doesn't really make the setting. And even then, considering how hard Liara gets pushed in our face, in the trilogy, then returned for Andromeda and now returns, in greater involvement, in Will Continue, some people might find that annoying, or off putting, especially if Liara isn't their #1 favourite character. And even then, without Shepard, you're not going to get 100% out of her, if she is. Just as with Dragon Age, no past potential love interest will be romancable by the new protagonist. Bioware isn't going to potentially cuck Shepard, even post mortem.
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Post by wright1978 on Nov 11, 2021 21:20:33 GMT
I don't really see that argument. If its using Liara as a link character, is set in the milky way with all the Milky way races and home worlds i don't see how its not really Mass Effect, even if its setting is altered by 500 years post trilogy timing. Because one person doesn't really make the setting. And even then, considering how hard Liara gets pushed in our face, in the trilogy, then returned for Andromeda and now returns, in greater involvement, in Will Continue, some people might find that annoying, or off putting, especially if Liara isn't their #1 favourite character. And even then, without Shepard, you're not going to get 100% out of her, if she is. Just as with Dragon Age, no past potential love interest will be romancable by the new protagonist. Bioware isn't going to potentially cuck Shepard, even post mortem. I'm not saying one person makes a setting. I'm not even a Liara fan. A familiar character in a familiar if slightly changed milky way (Earth, Thessia, Tuchanka, the Citadel, relays. That could feel like Mass Effect imo, certainly its less of a stretch than transporting a handful of races to Andromeda.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 11, 2021 23:11:02 GMT
Destroyed Debatable Destroyed Destroyed Irrelevant That could feel like Mass Effect imo Probably not. certainly its less of a stretch than transporting a handful of races to Andromeda.
Well, would be nice if we hadn't destroyed them. And even then, if we go to Cipitrine, or Flotilla City, or whatever, it's going to be 3 streets, 7 doors. The marvel for the setting is undone, the magic is gone. There's only Bioware Magic now.
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Post by lordmoral on Nov 11, 2021 23:19:08 GMT
Tuchanka is Tuchanka, it will always have Karlos.
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Post by jamierose95 on Nov 12, 2021 0:24:37 GMT
Earth is not Irrelevant it's our homeworld
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Post by dmc1001 on Nov 12, 2021 1:46:11 GMT
I liked Ryder, but that wasn't really what I was getting at. People also want a return of Shepard. You had a successful MET cast who rode off into the sunset after winner (or however you ended it). Ryder didn't get lots of approval. The online hate is stupid but I know enough people who said it was merely okay to know that MEA isn't the way forward. Or they're going to have to convince people that Ryder will have grown significantly as a character. I'd be okay with that but it's not going to happen. This leaves of us with a brand new cast in some kind of brand new setting. At this point, it's no longer really Mass Effect. It's just some story with some people set in some place.I don't really see that argument. If its using Liara as a link character, is set in the milky way with all the Milky way races and home worlds i don't see how its not really Mass Effect, even if its setting is altered by 500 years post trilogy timing. Liara is already a fail for me. In any case, I could use the President of the United States in a hundred different stories that have nothing to do with one another.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 12, 2021 4:22:29 GMT
Earth is not Irrelevant it's our homeworld ”Home is recognized patterns. Known spaces. Familiar thought processes of fellow sapients. It is belonging. A planet is an amount of material massive enough to collapse into a spherical volume. Rocks, ice, and gases are not home.” One of the biggest mistakes with ME3 was the focus on Earth being the most important place in the galaxy. It is not. It is just one of countless worlds threatened. Especially since Shepard either isn’t even from Earth or has mixed views about it.
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Post by wright1978 on Nov 12, 2021 8:57:19 GMT
Destroyed Debatable Destroyed Destroyed Irrelevant That could feel like Mass Effect imo Probably not. certainly its less of a stretch than transporting a handful of races to Andromeda.
Well, would be nice if we hadn't destroyed them. And even then, if we go to Cipitrine, or Flotilla City, or whatever, it's going to be 3 streets, 7 doors. The marvel for the setting is undone, the magic is gone. There's only Bioware Magic now. We haven't destroyed them. Devastated sure, in 500 years though planets would be repopulated, areas restored. We even see the fixed version of the Citadel in the destroy epilogue.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 12, 2021 11:21:13 GMT
We haven't destroyed them. Devastated sure, in 500 years though planets would be repopulated, areas restored. We even see the fixed version of the Citadel in the destroy epilogue. It took them 2 years, with all the resources of the council races, to not fix Tayesri. After 500 years of a galactic holocaust, Thessia's atmosphere may not be toxic to kill everything.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Nov 12, 2021 12:51:37 GMT
I really hated how they abandoned it like they did. Legendary Edition is at the moment looking very sweaty on the immense work modders had to do after Bioware went to do what Bioware is doing right now (you can see the amount of errors the Community Patches fixed while people crying to those who have come on social media that there is no evidence of bugs and glitches after Bioware patched the LE and to just stop talking about that). I was talking about them abandoning MEA DLC.
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Post by lordmoral on Nov 12, 2021 15:23:29 GMT
Legendary Edition is at the moment looking very sweaty on the immense work modders had to do after Bioware went to do what Bioware is doing right now (you can see the amount of errors the Community Patches fixed while people crying to those who have come on social media that there is no evidence of bugs and glitches after Bioware patched the LE and to just stop talking about that). I was talking about them abandoning MEA DLC. And now they did that with the Legendary Edition, they are ignoring the issues.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Nov 12, 2021 18:04:48 GMT
I was talking about them abandoning MEA DLC. And now they did that with the Legendary Edition, they are ignoring the issues. I didn't buy legendary edition and probably won't. I have just beaten the game too many times to justify buying it again and redoing my saves. But DLC is different since it is planned ahead of time and some of it is built into the game. The fact that they abandoned the dlc for andromeda just irratated me since it made no sense. They could have made more money doing that and yet they abandoned it and screwed over the fans. DA2 got a ton of hate when it came out and they still did the dlc for it and it was some of the best dlc of any game in my opinion. Abandoning the dlc like they did with MEA felt like a slap in the face for me since they might as well have put a giant sign up at the end of MEA that there would be a quarian ark dlc and yet they abandoned it. Yes they turned it into a book but we were supposed to be able to play it in the game.
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Post by lordmoral on Nov 12, 2021 19:07:35 GMT
And now they did that with the Legendary Edition, they are ignoring the issues. I didn't buy legendary edition and probably won't. I have just beaten the game too many times to justify buying it again and redoing my saves. But DLC is different since it is planned ahead of time and some of it is built into the game. The fact that they abandoned the dlc for andromeda just irratated me since it made no sense. They could have made more money doing that and yet they abandoned it and screwed over the fans. DA2 got a ton of hate when it came out and they still did the dlc for it and it was some of the best dlc of any game in my opinion. Abandoning the dlc like they did with MEA felt like a slap in the face for me since they might as well have put a giant sign up at the end of MEA that there would be a quarian ark dlc and yet they abandoned it. Yes they turned it into a book but we were supposed to be able to play it in the game. The book only told the story from the perspective of the inhabitants which, if that was the DLC it would have been wild as we get to play as the Quarian who saved the Ark and then back to Ryder finding the Ark.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 12, 2021 19:17:21 GMT
I always doubted we’d get the Quarian Ark as a DLC. The number of races on it alone made that go beyond the scope of a DLC. That always seemed sequel bait, not DLC bait. To be honest, I don’t think they dropped MEA DLC plans since I don’t think they had any. I don’t even think they talked about any plans with us. Between the move to a new studio, the merger of Montreal with Motive, and all the focus on Anthem shows they didn’t have the time, people, or resources no matter how well the game did.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 12, 2021 19:52:19 GMT
Or they realized not many people would be interested in a dlc with the feedback given about the game. The game was likely made to see how well a ME game would do without Shepard and the Milky Way. With all the feedback MEA got, it's possible they believed it wasn't worth the effort to have any dlc. They're now treating the game like it's a UFO. People played an ME game, but don't recall a lot of the details. With how well the remaster did, EA would likely go in that direction since it will give them the most profit.
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Post by jrpN7 on Nov 12, 2021 19:53:32 GMT
Earth is not Irrelevant it's our homeworld ”Home is recognized patterns. Known spaces. Familiar thought processes of fellow sapients. It is belonging. A planet is an amount of material massive enough to collapse into a spherical volume. Rocks, ice, and gases are not home.” One of the biggest mistakes with ME3 was the focus on Earth being the most important place in the galaxy. It is not. It is just one of countless worlds threatened. Especially since Shepard either isn’t even from Earth or has mixed views about it. Beautiful quote. Though what about the Quarians and Rannoch? None of them had stepped foot on the planet before. It literally should've just been a sphere of rock, ice and gas- yet it was home for them and they fought tooth and nail to get it back from the geth in ME3. Besides, floating rocks and ice can hold strategic value in trade and war. Earth, even as a collapsed sphere of massive material, hosts the species that dare reckon with the Reapers. It is dangerous, and with Earth gone, its species including those stubborn humans might as well follow. I don't see a problem with Earth being the final battleground in ME3.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 12, 2021 20:11:24 GMT
One of the biggest mistakes with ME3 was the focus on Earth being the most important place in the galaxy. It is not. It is just one of countless worlds threatened. Especially since Shepard either isn’t even from Earth or has mixed views about it. What planet should the game have focused on? Instead of the citadel going to Earth, send it to Thessia. Instead of having humans dying on the I want to be killed run, have asari being killed by Harbinger. I would be ok with that. It would save a lot of humans. Instead of having Anderson and Shepard having the touchy-feely scene, would it be an asari and Shepard. Instead of Anderson coming up with the stupid plan to get up the beam it would be an asari. Instead of looking at Earth, the best planet in the universe, Shepard would be looking at some dumpster looking planet. You know what the best part would be? Low ems. Thessia would be scorched instead of Earth. Would you rather have all that instead of the citadel going to Earth. For me, I would not have moved the Citadel. Leave it where it was.
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Post by wright1978 on Nov 12, 2021 20:46:03 GMT
One of the biggest mistakes with ME3 was the focus on Earth being the most important place in the galaxy. It is not. It is just one of countless worlds threatened. Especially since Shepard either isn’t even from Earth or has mixed views about it. What planet should the game have focused on? Instead of the citadel going to Earth, send it to Thessia. Instead of having humans dying on the I want to be killed run, have asari being killed by Harbinger. I would be ok with that. It would save a lot of humans. Instead of having Anderson and Shepard having the touchy-feely scene, would it be an asari and Shepard. Instead of Anderson coming up with the stupid plan to get up the beam it would be an asari. Instead of looking at Earth, the best planet in the universe, Shepard would be looking at some dumpster looking planet. You know what the best part would be? Low ems. Thessia would be scorched instead of Earth. Would you rather have all that instead of the citadel going to Earth. For me, I would not have moved the Citadel. Leave it where it was. For me it shouldn't have focused on any one planet. It's the battle to save galactic civilisation. The whole thrust is about earth is the be all and end all. Why won't these Aliens sacrifice their homeworlds and go try and liberate earth.
Actually the plot ends up giving you a very sensible reason why the fleets have to end up going to earth, because that's where the citadel has been moved.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 12, 2021 22:16:59 GMT
”Home is recognized patterns. Known spaces. Familiar thought processes of fellow sapients. It is belonging. A planet is an amount of material massive enough to collapse into a spherical volume. Rocks, ice, and gases are not home.” One of the biggest mistakes with ME3 was the focus on Earth being the most important place in the galaxy. It is not. It is just one of countless worlds threatened. Especially since Shepard either isn’t even from Earth or has mixed views about it. Beautiful quote. Though what about the Quarians and Rannoch? None of them had stepped foot on the planet before. It literally should've just been a sphere of rock, ice and gas- yet it was home for them and they fought tooth and nail to get it back from the geth in ME3. Besides, floating rocks and ice can hold strategic value in trade and war. Earth, even as a collapsed sphere of massive material, hosts the species that dare reckon with the Reapers. It is dangerous, and with Earth gone, its species including those stubborn humans might as well follow. I don't see a problem with Earth being the final battleground in ME3. I'm not saying Earth isn't important. It's just not "We need to risk absolutely everything for it" important. Palaven and Thessia are just as important, yet those are tossed aside to devote everything to Earth. The only part in the game where risking everything for Earth made sense was after the Reapers moved the Citadel there since that was needed for the Crucible. But even then it's not Earth that's the most important: it's the Citadel, while Earth is just the planet it's orbiting.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Nov 12, 2021 22:28:40 GMT
Am I looking forward to meeting the new cast of characters for the next Mass Effect? No, the toxic nature of fandom makes me dread the stupid and tiresome "debates" between fans.
Am I looking forward to meeting the new voice cast for the characters of the next Mass Effect No, because of the toxic nature of fandom I dread the stupid and tiresome "debates" between fans.
What I want to know is the following:
1) What is the official title?
2) Is it set in the MWG or Andromeda?
3) When is the release date?
4) What platforms will it be released on?
Those are the ONLY questions I want answered.
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Post by lordmoral on Nov 12, 2021 23:47:47 GMT
Am I looking forward to meeting the new cast of characters for the next Mass Effect? No, the toxic nature of fandom makes me dread the stupid and tiresome "debates" between fans.
Am I looking forward to meeting the new voice cast for the characters of the next Mass Effect No, because of the toxic nature of fandom I dread the stupid and tiresome "debates" between fans.
What I want to know is the following:
1) What is the official title?
2) Is it set in the MWG or Andromeda?
3) When is the release date?
4) What platforms will it be released on?
Those are the ONLY questions I want answered. The only console that should matter is PC as we all saw how Bioware threw to the wayside post launch technical support while modders had to fix the PC versions for free with the LE Community Patches as well others MODs.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Nov 13, 2021 15:28:48 GMT
One of the biggest mistakes with ME3 was the focus on Earth being the most important place in the galaxy. It is not. It is just one of countless worlds threatened. Especially since Shepard either isn’t even from Earth or has mixed views about it. What planet should the game have focused on? Instead of the citadel going to Earth, send it to Thessia. Instead of having humans dying on the I want to be killed run, have asari being killed by Harbinger. I would be ok with that. It would save a lot of humans. Instead of having Anderson and Shepard having the touchy-feely scene, would it be an asari and Shepard. Instead of Anderson coming up with the stupid plan to get up the beam it would be an asari. Instead of looking at Earth, the best planet in the universe, Shepard would be looking at some dumpster looking planet. You know what the best part would be? Low ems. Thessia would be scorched instead of Earth. Would you rather have all that instead of the citadel going to Earth. For me, I would not have moved the Citadel. Leave it where it was. Thessia is already scorched if we are being honest. As is every planet the reapers had been on. At the least it would look like europe after ww2.
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Post by Adia on Nov 13, 2021 15:46:04 GMT
I mean almost every game has a new cast with a few exceptions, so that's to be expected. I would have liked Andromeda's characters to return though. A lot of people hate on it because the cast is young and juvenile but that's the whole point. It's intended. It gives them a lot more room to mature and grow with the audience (Andromeda was clearly intended to be a trilogy). It could've been done better, sure, sometimes I personally felt half of the dialogue wasn't read out loud. But I still understand what they tried to do there.
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