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Post by river82 on Mar 2, 2023 21:35:50 GMT
15 years and 4ish months. But yeah, still a looooooong time ago O.O
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Post by Son of Dorn on Mar 2, 2023 22:47:32 GMT
15 years and 4ish months. But yeah, still a looooooong time ago O.O Huh. Must have gotten my dates mixed up because I could have sworn I bought ME1 on pre-owned back in March 2008. (It was a choice between ME1 or CoD2. In hindsight I wished I picked CoD2 instead).
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Post by river82 on Mar 2, 2023 22:52:11 GMT
15 years and 4ish months. But yeah, still a looooooong time ago O.O Huh. Must have gotten my dates mixed up because I could have sworn I bought ME1 on pre-owned back in March 2008. (It was a choice between ME1 or CoD2. In hindsight I wished I picked CoD2 instead). Yeah that sounds about right. Was released Nov 2007, so you should have been able to get it pre-owned march 2008. Nov 07 to now is 15 years and 4ish months
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Post by Son of Dorn on Mar 2, 2023 22:56:04 GMT
Huh. Must have gotten my dates mixed up because I could have sworn I bought ME1 on pre-owned back in March 2008. (It was a choice between ME1 or CoD2. In hindsight I wished I picked CoD2 instead). Yeah that sounds about right. Was released Nov 2007, so you should have been able to get it pre-owned march 2008. Nov 07 to now is 15 years and 4ish months Being old sucks, you tend to forget things.... 😉😆
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Post by heinomk3 on Mar 10, 2023 3:00:39 GMT
Deal breaker number one: Bioware devs being tilted strongely to a fairly extreme political spectrum and thus unable to deliver an interesting story with balanced view points anymore. Ie I have strong doubts we would get the option to keep Genophage intact if ME3 was made today.
Guns are a serious business in ME, tbh.
Deal breaker number two:
I work with elderly suffering from dementia or being somewhat mentally ill, and some of my collegues are seemingly on a downward spiral in life. When I come home and decide to play a game to relax, the last thing I wish to see are faces that remind me of those people.
P.S.:
Oh, forgot another - deal breaker number three, albeit a lesser one:
Devs not having any scientific education at all, given ME is a sci-fi series. Which might result in the game turning even more into some fantasy setting with magic and funny armour, merely resembling sci-fi aesthetic here and there, like a sort of a Cargo Cult, where people try to build a resemblance of things with absolute no understanding of how they could or should work.
There were a lot of moments in ME:A where thinking a little bit deeper about the setting or just about they way things were placed geographically would ruin the mood pretty quick.
Ie you do not have to be a genius of any sort to quickly understand that no one in his right mind would place a critically important colony just about 1 km from a major enemy outpost in a way to also get easily bombed/shot at from a higher position with no way for the colonists to defend themselves. Sentry guns also pointing directly at rocks etc
Or turning biotics into just a magical power that is able to stop spaceship-launched missiles supposedly meant for a total annihilation of the enemy during Cora's loyalty mission. I mean one could also ask why those missiles were so slow in the first place, given usual distances in space. But in terms of biotics a logical person would wonder where the the limits of a biotic user are, given the fact that the powers come from applying electrical current to Element Zero contained in ones body. Thus, in order to block a spaceship-launched, most probably fairly heavy missile - or specifically ten or more of them at the same time, all flying at very high speeds(I guess one could at least expect something hypersonic, eh?) - one would either need a lot of Eezo or a strong electric current. Both absolutely deadly in high quantities.
Or the quip about how we as the colonists on Eos would endanger the environment through some kind of pollution right after arriving because Ryder agreed to allow extraction of natural gas. I mean, it's clearly a barren planet with barely any vegetation at all, the number of people doing this was probably like a hundred and there is an acute crisis at hand, life and death situation, what the heck is this remark for? Does the one who wrote that dialogue expect power outlets and plastic materials or essential chemicals hanging from some space trees everywhere or what?
I don't want to be overly pedantic because I am certainly not some sort of a highly educated super scientist or anything, but when simple things like these are popping up constantly, it takes its toll on the enjoyment of the game. Bioware already has Dragon Age for "it's magics lol" setting and I'd like to see Mass Effect devs putting a bit of attention to details because of its Sci-fi foundation.
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Post by hulluliini on Mar 10, 2023 9:17:29 GMT
I want representation/inclusion/diversity but it needs to be balanced. Having no conventionally beautiful female characters at all is simply unrealistic and silly.
I would prefer a more scientific approach but I doubt there are any people like that at Bioware. I also doubt they even realise that this is part of why the lore established in ME1 was so compelling. The current devs just don't know their product very well on a deeper level. They think that everyone just wants funny quirky characters and drama.
I was also particularly bothered by how they completely ignored the environmental and ethical issues with colonising and terraforming. A game exploring those ideas would be so interesting to me but I suppose I'm in the minority.
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Post by gemini on Mar 12, 2023 8:29:32 GMT
Canon Synthesis.
Don't think we're getting that, so it's not something I'm concerned about. But hypothetically if synthesis was the default canon for ME5 I'm not certain I'd be interested in playing it. Aside from destroy being my personal canon I'm not crazy about the preferred solution of the A.I. controlling the Reapers being presented as the ideal choice, or Shepard killing themselves on the recommendation of the same, or Shepard altering the bodies of every sapient being in the galaxy without their consent.
Having said that, I would totally understand if players that had Synthesis as their canon feel the same about an ME5 based around the destroy outcome.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 12, 2023 21:18:53 GMT
Having said that, I would totally understand if players that had Synthesis as their canon feel the same about an ME5 based around the destroy outcome. Yep. Have absolutely zero interest in them forcing Shepard to be one who committed the biggest act of genocide in our cycle’s history and everyone celebrating that. Especially since it was my favorite race that’s wiped out.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 12, 2023 21:20:06 GMT
heinomk3 Regarding your first point, so you want BioWare to be pro-Nazi, transphobic, and pro-mass shootings? Weird examples to use if you’re trying to show them being extremists.
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Post by Phantom on Mar 12, 2023 22:19:08 GMT
heinomk3 Regarding your first point, so you want BioWare to be pro-Nazi, transphobic, and pro-mass shootings? Weird examples to use if you’re trying to show them being extremists. you miss his point. There is no pro-Nazi, transphobic or pro-mass shooting. Seeing them where is none will come across as extremist. also Destroy is only ending with the least baggage in the end
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 12, 2023 23:44:22 GMT
heinomk3 Regarding your first point, so you want BioWare to be pro-Nazi, transphobic, and pro-mass shootings? Weird examples to use if you’re trying to show them being extremists. you miss his point. There is no pro-Nazi, transphobic or pro-mass shooting. Seeing them where is none will come across as extremist. also Destroy is only ending with the least baggage in the end Entire races being gone and the protagonist left in a quantum state has more baggage than just the protagonist being dead, so you’re wrong about that.
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Post by Phantom on Mar 13, 2023 0:06:50 GMT
you miss his point. There is no pro-Nazi, transphobic or pro-mass shooting. Seeing them where is none will come across as extremist. also Destroy is only ending with the least baggage in the end Entire races being gone and the protagonist left in a quantum state has more baggage than just the protagonist being dead, so you’re wrong about that. then you miss the point of the endings. that Each of the Endings will have risk associated with them. Entire Races being gone for good or ill is not a surprising after effect in a war against Eldritch Horrors on par with the Reapers. ME3 was supposed to be an final game of Mass Effect until Fans wanted more As for protagonist being in an quantum state has been within Mass Effect ai ME2 ending Shepard Dies.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 13, 2023 0:26:41 GMT
Entire races being gone and the protagonist left in a quantum state has more baggage than just the protagonist being dead, so you’re wrong about that. then you miss the point of the endings. that Each of the Endings will have risk associated with them. Entire Races being gone for good or ill is not a surprising after effect in a war against Eldritch Horrors on par with the Reapers. ME3 was supposed to be an final game of Mass Effect until Fans wanted more As for protagonist being in an quantum state has been within Mass Effect ai ME2 ending Shepard Dies. No, you said Destroy is the one with the least baggage. I was saying this is not the case since Control and Synthesis both have less variables to them that carry baggage than Destroy does. Hence why they shouldn’t go back to the Milky Way but stay in Andromeda like planned. Except in this case more people have Shepard dead than alive instead of just a few getting a bad worldstate.
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Post by Phantom on Mar 13, 2023 0:40:13 GMT
then you miss the point of the endings. that Each of the Endings will have risk associated with them. Entire Races being gone for good or ill is not a surprising after effect in a war against Eldritch Horrors on par with the Reapers. ME3 was supposed to be an final game of Mass Effect until Fans wanted more As for protagonist being in an quantum state has been within Mass Effect ai ME2 ending Shepard Dies. No, you said Destroy is the one with the least baggage. I was saying this is not the case since Control and Synthesis both have less variables to them that carry baggage than Destroy does. Hence why they shouldn’t go back to the Milky Way but stay in Andromeda like planned. Except in this case more people have Shepard dead than alive instead of just a few getting a bad worldstate. You have no problem with A.I. version of Shepard that is a dictator of the Milk Ways in which bulk of the people within Milk Way wanting Shepard Dead for sheer virtue being an A.I. Dictator of the Milk way. Also With Synthesis, that is an extremely long post within its horror. Yeah it is that where forcing implants and an New DNA is never a good thing. Bioware gotten burnt by Andromeda and that is why we have trailers with Liara and Reference to Milk way.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 13, 2023 1:20:16 GMT
No, you said Destroy is the one with the least baggage. I was saying this is not the case since Control and Synthesis both have less variables to them that carry baggage than Destroy does. Hence why they shouldn’t go back to the Milky Way but stay in Andromeda like planned. Except in this case more people have Shepard dead than alive instead of just a few getting a bad worldstate. You have no problem with A.I. version of Shepard that is a dictator of the Milk Ways in which bulk of the people within Milk Way wanting Shepard Dead for sheer virtue being an A.I. Dictator of the Milk way. Also With Synthesis, that is an extremely long post within its horror. Yeah it is that where forcing implants and an New DNA is never a good thing. Bioware gotten burnt by Andromeda and that is why we have trailers with Liara and Reference to Milk way. Neither are worse than endorsing and celebrating genocide. Also both those other endings don’t show Shepalyst as a dictator or people no longer being themselves in Synthesis. Need to actually have evidence to make those arguments.
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Post by Phantom on Mar 13, 2023 1:24:59 GMT
You have no problem with A.I. version of Shepard that is a dictator of the Milk Ways in which bulk of the people within Milk Way wanting Shepard Dead for sheer virtue being an A.I. Dictator of the Milk way. Also With Synthesis, that is an extremely long post within its horror. Yeah it is that where forcing implants and an New DNA is never a good thing. Bioware gotten burnt by Andromeda and that is why we have trailers with Liara and Reference to Milk way. Neither are worse than endorsing and celebrating genocide. Also both those other endings don’t show Shepalyst as a dictator or people no longer being themselves in Synthesis. Need to actually have evidence to make those arguments. well give me an evidence that Destroy celebrating genocide. BIoware is a lot of things but celebrating genocide is not in their cards.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 13, 2023 1:29:41 GMT
Neither are worse than endorsing and celebrating genocide. Also both those other endings don’t show Shepalyst as a dictator or people no longer being themselves in Synthesis. Need to actually have evidence to make those arguments. well give me an evidence that Destroy celebrating genocide. BIoware is a lot of things but celebrating genocide is not in their cards. Everybody celebrating Shepard’s choice both in visuals and Hackett’s narration. Shepard is seen as a hero not a monster.
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Post by Phantom on Mar 13, 2023 2:07:23 GMT
well give me an evidence that Destroy celebrating genocide. BIoware is a lot of things but celebrating genocide is not in their cards. Everybody celebrating Shepard’s choice both in visuals and Hackett’s narration. Shepard is seen as a hero not a monster. They celebrating the End of the Reaper War not the death of the Geth
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Post by gemini on Mar 13, 2023 3:24:21 GMT
Death also doesn't necessarily have the same finality for the Geth as it does for organics.
An early incarnation of EDI for example died at Shepard or their squadmates' hands on the moon. That death was only temporary and she was rebuilt and upgraded.
Since the Geth are ultimately software, rather than their hardware, they could survive if their programs were copied to servers that were out of range of the Crucible blast, which is what I suspect will happen if the fan speculation about ME5 being set in a post-Destroy end state (based on dead Reapers in the teaser) pans out. Whether or not it does, there are also hints that the Geth are returning. The Geth may have taken precautions to preserve themselves from the Reapers that involved hiding servers with their programs in dark space, which could also have ended up saving them from the Crucible.
Alternatively more open-minded Quarians could simply recreate the Geth post-Destroy. They may not be the same "individual" Geth from the Reaper War, but the faction wouldn't be destroyed.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 13, 2023 3:35:48 GMT
well give me an evidence that Destroy celebrating genocide. BIoware is a lot of things but celebrating genocide is not in their cards. Everybody celebrating Shepard’s choice both in visuals and Hackett’s narration. Shepard is seen as a hero not a monster. A monster? I agree. Shepard forcing the green on every organic is monstrous. The reapers are still around. Every organic has a new dna. What's not to love about that?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 13, 2023 3:39:51 GMT
Death also doesn't necessarily have the same finality for the Geth as it does for organics. An early incarnation of EDI for example died at Shepard or their squadmates' hands on the moon. That death was only temporary and she was rebuilt and upgraded. Since the Geth are ultimately software, rather than their hardware, they could survive if their programs were copied to servers that were out of range of the Crucible blast, which is what I suspect will happen if the fan speculation about ME5 being set in a post-Destroy end state (based on dead Reapers in the teaser) pans out. Whether or not it does, there are also hints that the Geth are returning. The Geth may have taken precautions to preserve themselves from the Reapers that involved hiding servers with their programs in dark space, which could also have ended up saving them from the Crucible. Alternatively more open-minded Quarians could simply recreate the Geth post-Destroy. They may not be the same "individual" Geth from the Reaper War, but the faction wouldn't be destroyed. Those wouldn’t be the same Geth. Their souls would be different. Plus the Destroy wave targeted software not hardware, hence why the Reapers just fell dead instead of their bodies being destroyed. So any backups would also be eliminated. Otherwise what is the point of the Crucible as a weapon if it wouldn’t permanently stop the Reapers? So it would still be committing mass murder on all those Geth. To use an example, if you kill someone then clone them, even somehow keeping all their memories, the person you killed is still dead. The clone may have the same DNA and memories, but they’re a different person. Yes, that is most likely the way BioWare is going to bring them back. Some Geth stayed outside the galaxy this were outside the Crucible’s range of fire. Completely ruins the impact of the endings, though still has Shepard by this cycle’s biggest war criminal. As for the destroyed Reaper in the trailer, well regardless of ending chosen there are many dead Reapers so it was most likely to establish only it was post-ME3. After all they later said they haven’t even really begun the writing for ME5 so really nothing should be taken from that trailer other than “We’re still making Mass Effect games”.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Mar 13, 2023 3:52:15 GMT
*sees what is going on in this thread*
Oh boy, THIS argument again...
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Post by Guardian on Mar 13, 2023 15:53:48 GMT
*sees what is going on in this thread* Oh boy, THIS argument again... *offers popcorn to share*
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Post by Son of Dorn on Mar 13, 2023 16:49:29 GMT
*sees what is going on in this thread* Oh boy, THIS argument again... *offers popcorn to share* *Takes popcorn and offers a drink in return* 😉🍿
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Post by gemini on Mar 13, 2023 17:42:39 GMT
*sees what is going on in this thread* Oh boy, THIS argument again... The cycle must continue.
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