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Post by heinomk3 on Mar 13, 2023 19:49:29 GMT
heinomk3 Regarding your first point, so you want BioWare to be pro-Nazi, transphobic, and pro-mass shootings? Weird examples to use if you’re trying to show them being extremists. There is a lot of ground between the views of the people I posted the screenshots of and the extreme viewpoint you decided to pick as an anti-thesis to them. The fact that you jump straight to such extremes demonstrates my point.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 13, 2023 19:53:43 GMT
heinomk3 Regarding your first point, so you want BioWare to be pro-Nazi, transphobic, and pro-mass shootings? Weird examples to use if you’re trying to show them being extremists. There is a lot of ground between the views of the people I posted the screenshots of and the extreme viewpoint you decided to pick as an anti-thesis to them. The fact that you jump straight to such extremes demonstrates my point. No, there’s really no middle ground for things like “Are Nazis bad?”, “Should trans people be treated equally?”, or “Should mass shootings be just accepted as part of culture?” But please, point out some examples of these middle grounds.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Mar 13, 2023 20:04:58 GMT
There is a lot of ground between the views of the people I posted the screenshots of and the extreme viewpoint you decided to pick as an anti-thesis to them. The fact that you jump straight to such extremes demonstrates my point. No, there’s really no middle ground for things like “Are Nazis bad?”, “Should trans people be treated equally?”, or “Should mass shootings be just accepted as part of culture?” But please, point out some examples of these middle grounds. Dude you really need to stop trying to browbeat people down with extreme types of examples all the time it makes you out to be a quite unpleasant person at times,this type of whataboutism is just not needed and you always try to act like the victim when people don't back down.
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Post by heinomk3 on Mar 13, 2023 20:15:07 GMT
There is a lot of ground between the views of the people I posted the screenshots of and the extreme viewpoint you decided to pick as an anti-thesis to them. The fact that you jump straight to such extremes demonstrates my point. No, there’s really no middle ground for things like “Are Nazis bad?”, “Should trans people be treated equally?”, or “Should mass shootings be just accepted as part of culture?” But please, point out some examples of these middle grounds. Ok: "Not everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi". "People who think to be "trans" need extensive and solid medical advice before considering permanent and life-altering changes in their bodies". "Everything can become a weapon for a maniac and thus mass killings also happen without gun use". "A person has better chances to defend oneself vs several attackers with a murder intent by a proper usage of a gun".
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Post by BearKingReborn on Mar 13, 2023 20:19:26 GMT
Alright - that's probably enough of that tangent. You are no longer discussing 'deal breakers' for the next Mass Effect game but your own personal opinions on general political/social topics, and this is not the thread, or forum, for that.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 13, 2023 20:24:11 GMT
No, there’s really no middle ground for things like “Are Nazis bad?”, “Should trans people be treated equally?”, or “Should mass shootings be just accepted as part of culture?” But please, point out some examples of these middle grounds. Ok: "Not everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi". "People who think to be "trans" need extensive and solid medical advice before considering permanent and life-altering changes in their bodies". "Everything can become a weapon for a maniac and thus mass killings also happen without gun use". "A person has better chances to defend oneself vs several attackers with a murder intent by a proper usage of a gun". First one: Patrick never says everyone they disagree with is a Nazi. They just are anti-Nazi so let’s only apply that to actual Naxi or people who actually have similar views. Second one: Not the question I posed or what the tweet was even talking about, which was respectful and authentic trans representation. Third one: Except looking at most other countries that’s not the case for the first. For the next sure but the post isn’t saying ban all guns.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 13, 2023 20:24:57 GMT
Alright - that's probably enough of that tangent. You are no longer discussing 'deal breakers' for the next Mass Effect game but your own personal opinions on general political/social topics, and this is not the thread, or forum, for that. I want BioWare to not endorse Nazis or be transphobic in future games. Those would be dealbreakers.
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Post by Vortex13 on Mar 14, 2023 14:04:49 GMT
I would like BioWare to tell a science fiction story that actually explores... well science rather than the thin 'sci-fi' veneer that gets slapped over what is clearly just technobabble and space magic.
I want to see the exploration of 'alien' elements over romance options or how many "quirky" (see poorly written) companions there are or how much Citadel-level shtick can be shoved into a given scene.
Give me Adrian Tchaikovsky's Children of Time as opposed to MCU's Guardians of the Galaxy
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Post by Phantom on Mar 14, 2023 16:18:56 GMT
I would like BioWare to tell a science fiction story that actually explores... well science rather than the thin 'sci-fi' veneer that gets slapped over what is clearly just technobabble and space magic. I want to see the exploration of 'alien' elements over romance options or how many "quirky" (see poorly written) companions there are or how much Citadel-level shtick can be shoved into a given scene. Give me Adrian Tchaikovsky's Children of Time as opposed to MCU's Guardians of the GalaxyBoth Children of Time and Guardians of Galaxy has fans. So having two games series to have a dedicated feel from each. So 1 game series would be more of a dedicated Children of Time feel and the other game would be a dedicated Guardians of the Galaxy feel. Keep in mind that I am in the good story with a solid protagonist camp myself.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 14, 2023 18:42:01 GMT
Destroy is only ending with the least baggage in the end The endings debate is endless, but I've only chosen the renegade 'destroy' ending once. If 'destroy' is canonised, it wouldn't be a deal breaker, but I would be very unimpressed. I think the chances of such a canon setting for ME5 are very unlikely.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 14, 2023 23:03:37 GMT
A canonised ME3 choice would be a deal breaker, anything else, no issue. Destroy is only ending with the least baggage in the end The endings debate is endless, but I've only chosen the renegade 'destroy' ending once. If 'destroy' is canonised, it wouldn't be a deal breaker, but I would be very unimpressed. I think the chances of such a canon setting for ME5 are very unlikely. See your post from above over a year ago? What changed for you now to say it's not a deal breaker?
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 14, 2023 23:06:34 GMT
See your post from above over a year ago? What changed for you now to say it's not a deal breaker? Ha. good point. The truth is that the desire for some more Mass Effect outweighs any plot grumbles. In reality I can't think of anything that would deter me, I trust BioWare to make it work.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Mar 15, 2023 3:56:46 GMT
See your post from above over a year ago? What changed for you now to say it's not a deal breaker? Ha. good point. The truth is that the desire for some more Mass Effect outweighs any plot grumbles. In reality I can't think of anything that would deter me, I trust BioWare to make it work. The space opera must flow!
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Post by gemini on Mar 15, 2023 12:18:15 GMT
Destroy is only ending with the least baggage in the end The endings debate is endless, but I've only chosen the renegade 'destroy' ending once. If 'destroy' is canonised, it wouldn't be a deal breaker, but I would be very unimpressed. I think the chances of such a canon setting for ME5 are very unlikely. Out of curiosity what do you think they're going to do in regards to the endings? Right now Destroy seems the most likely out of three (not counting Refuse as it is definitely non-canon, like Shepard dying in ME2) since we see dead Reapers, Liara has no green glowy bits, and she seems to be searching for Sherpard, which would only make sense for High EMS Destroy. On the other hand the Geth were teased which meshes better with Control or Synthesis, but on the whole it seems that there is more to suggest a post-Destroy end state. Not saying we're definitely getting a canon Destroy import of course, just wondering what other theories may be out there since some things in the teaser trailer don't mesh well with Control or Synthesis.
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Post by Vortex13 on Mar 15, 2023 13:36:59 GMT
In regards to the endings I think the best route BioWare could take, though one that will not please everyone, is to retcon the whole thing.
Start ME:Next right at the deployment of the Crucible, have it work like a galaxy sized EMP and disable the Reapers' shields/cripple their offensive powers. Have the allied forces of the galaxy start to push them back in a conventional war. Then flash forward 600 years to the present time when the Andromeda Initiative has dealt with the Khett. The Reapers as still a threat, as the forces of the galaxy couldn't account for all of them, and some may have gone into hiding to bide their time.
This way the status quo of the galaxy is preserved, you don't have to account for wildly different world states, and the Reapers can remain as a potential antagonist for future titles.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 15, 2023 19:31:26 GMT
In regards to the endings I think the best route BioWare could take, though one that will not please everyone, is to retcon the whole thing. Start ME:Next right at the deployment of the Crucible, have it work like a galaxy sized EMP and disable the Reapers' shields/cripple their offensive powers. Have the allied forces of the galaxy start to push them back in a conventional war. Then flash forward 600 years to the present time when the Andromeda Initiative has dealt with the Khett. The Reapers as still a threat, as the forces of the galaxy couldn't account for all of them, and some may have gone into hiding to bide their time. This way the status quo of the galaxy is preserved, you don't have to account for wildly different world states, and the Reapers can remain as a potential antagonist for future titles. Would prefer if they didn’t just deal with the Kett Empire offscreen, unless you just meant the ones we dealt with in MEA.
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Post by Phantom on Mar 15, 2023 20:24:51 GMT
In regards to the endings I think the best route BioWare could take, though one that will not please everyone, is to retcon the whole thing. Start ME:Next right at the deployment of the Crucible, have it work like a galaxy sized EMP and disable the Reapers' shields/cripple their offensive powers. Have the allied forces of the galaxy start to push them back in a conventional war. Then flash forward 600 years to the present time when the Andromeda Initiative has dealt with the Khett. The Reapers as still a threat, as the forces of the galaxy couldn't account for all of them, and some may have gone into hiding to bide their time. This way the status quo of the galaxy is preserved, you don't have to account for wildly different world states, and the Reapers can remain as a potential antagonist for future titles. Would prefer if they didn’t just deal with the Kett Empire offscreen, unless you just meant the ones we dealt with in MEA. That is why I prefer that Mass Effect Andromeda and Mass Effect Milk Way should be within their series and in their own lanes. True that Andromeda has their fans, Personally I would love a proper or a stealth prequel for Mass Effect Andromeda and meet up with people on Ryder's team or plays as either Ryder twins for a few mission to solve a problem. I don't mind if they use some of my ideas and work them in.
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Post by heinomk3 on Mar 16, 2023 14:11:30 GMT
Another one: You may or may not have taken notice of this little "gem" of a game: I like to just watch some games during their release on twitch.tv to get a better idea of what they are about and this one was probably the only one in recent times making me (figuratively) wanting to flip my table just after a few minutes. The protagonist comes off as probably one of the most dumb and obnoxious ones in recent gaming history, although I'm not a gaming expert, I guess. But honestly, when almost all of the dialogue seems to consist of "fuck, shit, piss, asshole" over and over again, it's really hard to watch and even harder to have a favourable opinion of. Therefore I hope that the writers for the next ME are WAY above that level of writing.
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Post by Vortex13 on Mar 16, 2023 14:33:25 GMT
Another one: You may or may not have taken notice of this little "gem" of a game: I like to just watch some games during their release on twitch.tv to get a better idea of what they are about and this one was probably the only one in recent times making me (figuratively) wanting to flip my table just after a few minutes. The protagonist comes off as probably one of the most dumb and obnoxious ones in recent gaming history, although I'm not a gaming expert, I guess. But honestly, when almost all of the dialogue seems to consist of "fuck, shit, piss, asshole" over and over again, it's really hard to watch and even harder to have a favourable opinion of. Therefore I hope that the writers for the next ME are WAY above that level of writing. Honestly with how Liam's personal quest was written I don't think Forspoken was that far off. To me, all this quippy, quirky, and forced comedic Citadel DLC-level dialogue needs to be shoved out the airlock. Call ME 1 boring and exposition heavy all you want but at least it didn't remove me from my immersion nor did it make my head nearly collapse into a singularity from all the cringe I was experiencing.
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Post by BearKingReborn on Mar 16, 2023 21:08:41 GMT
Some posts have been removed because some people are either unable to understand the rules, or unwilling to accept that the rules apply to them. For reference; Moderation rules
- Moderators will try to moderate sensitively with mistakes or slips being punished less harshly than more deliberate attempts to flout our rules.
- We will typically hand out warnings for a first offense, one or more temporary bans thereafter, and a permaban if the unacceptable behavior does not abate.
- Punishment escalation may be more forgiving or reach permaban more swiftly or immediately, depending on the severity of the offense.
- Warnings or bans may cool down after several months if offenses are not repeated.
- If you have an issue with a moderation action, don’t continue to argue the case in the thread where you are moderated. Doing so will be considered bad faith and actionable. You can follow up any concern you have about moderation (and we will listen) but please do so by Private Message to a moderator (one or several).
In case it needs further highlighting; do not discuss moderation in threads.
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Post by Phantom on Mar 17, 2023 0:06:25 GMT
Some posts have been removed because some people are either unable to understand the rules, or unwilling to accept that the rules apply to them. For reference; Moderation rules
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- We will typically hand out warnings for a first offense, one or more temporary bans thereafter, and a permaban if the unacceptable behavior does not abate.
- Punishment escalation may be more forgiving or reach permaban more swiftly or immediately, depending on the severity of the offense.
- Warnings or bans may cool down after several months if offenses are not repeated.
- If you have an issue with a moderation action, don’t continue to argue the case in the thread where you are moderated. Doing so will be considered bad faith and actionable. You can follow up any concern you have about moderation (and we will listen) but please do so by Private Message to a moderator (one or several).
In case it needs further highlighting; do not discuss moderation in threads. does it include me being pantless and trolling you out of fun and not out of malice?
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Post by themikefest on Mar 17, 2023 0:25:41 GMT
In regards to the endings I think the best route BioWare could take, though one that will not please everyone, is to retcon the whole thing. It wouldn't be hard to do. It would be a matter from where to start the retcon. I will say again as I have many times before. Bioware told the player what the ending would be. Hackett tells Shepard it's believed the crucible has enough energy to destroy the reapers. That's your ending. I call it Hackett's ending. After the arms to the Citadel are fully opened, the crucible fires the red beam destroying the reapers. Simple. No need for Shepard to take the magic carpet ride up to lala land. I like the idea of the crucible being an emp to disable reaper shield's but a conventional fight would still, and possibly have the galaxy be harvested. Here's why? There has been about 20 000 cycles with each cycle having a new reaper. That's 20 000 capital ships. The destroyer's would be much more. Let's say 5 were built each cycle. That's 100 000 destroyers. They also have transport carriers and processing ships. What does the galaxy have? I would say the numbers are much lower. Reason is because no one knows how long the 50 000 years has been happening. That is up to Bioware. If there's to be any conventional anything, I would make the reaper numbers as low possible. How would the Iniitative have dealt with the kett when they don't have the firepower anywhere near what the kett have? Did the kett sit around waiting for the Initiative to figure out Meridian to deal with the kett? If that's the case, then it's a lame reason or whatever the reason might be. The kett remain a threat even after Meridan is in the Initiative's hand's. If I was the kett, I would attack the Nexus. What is the Initiative going to do? Nothing. Just like they did nothing when the kett took the Hyperion. For the Initiative to have any chance to get rid of the kett, they have to seek help from outside the cluster. The main character travels to whatever cluster, meets another species, help's said species enough for the species to come to the Initiative's aid. Have it similar to ME3. Shepard gather's help to deal with the reapers on Earth. As far as any reapers remaining being a threat? Here's an idea I had about that for ME4 That wouldn't sit too well with a lot of people. The only way the reapers remain a potential threat/villian is if the trilogy is remade. Though if Bioware went with red, they could say some reapers avoided the beam. If that's the case, my idea I posted above would fit in. In regards to the endings I think the best route BioWare could take, though one that will not please everyone, is to retcon the whole thing. Start ME:Next right at the deployment of the Crucible, have it work like a galaxy sized EMP and disable the Reapers' shields/cripple their offensive powers. Have the allied forces of the galaxy start to push them back in a conventional war. Then flash forward 600 years to the present time when the Andromeda Initiative has dealt with the Khett. The Reapers as still a threat, as the forces of the galaxy couldn't account for all of them, and some may have gone into hiding to bide their time. This way the status quo of the galaxy is preserved, you don't have to account for wildly different world states, and the Reapers can remain as a potential antagonist for future titles. Would prefer if they didn’t just deal with the Kett Empire offscreen, unless you just meant the ones we dealt with in MEA. Are you saying you wouldn't have a problem if the one's in MEA were dealt with off-screen? If so, I don't agree. It wouldn't make sense. The kett are still a threat to the Initiative. Currently the Initiative has little to nothing to prevent the kett from attacking in force. That is why I prefer that Mass Effect Andromeda and Mass Effect Milk Way should be within their series and in their own lanes. I agree. What happens in Andromeda, stays in Andromeda. The same for the Milky Way. Prequel to MEA? So the game would take place in the Milky Way? If playing as little Ryder, I would like to have the option to tell my father, Alec, I'm not going to Andromeda. I believe you would mind. I would like to believe they would give you credit regardless of how much of your idea they use.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 17, 2023 1:42:30 GMT
Would prefer if they didn’t just deal with the Kett Empire offscreen, unless you just meant the ones we dealt with in MEA. Are you saying you wouldn't have a problem if the one's in MEA were dealt with off-screen? If so, I don't agree. It wouldn't make sense. The kett are still a threat to the Initiative. Currently the Initiative has little to nothing to prevent the kett from attacking in force. No, I would have a problem if they dealt with the Primus and her forces offscreen too. By that part of my post I meant the Kett we dealt with throughout MEA culminating with the Archon.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 17, 2023 2:15:02 GMT
does it include me being pantless Aside from the possibly problematic mental image, any posters' personal 'pant status' is entirely down to them.
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Post by Phantom on Mar 17, 2023 2:31:13 GMT
does it include me being pantless Aside from the possibly problematic mental image, any posters' personal 'pant status' is entirely down to them. that is the point of being pantless-ness is to disturb people. It could be worse. I can look like one of those Reaper Husks that Cerberus uses for target practice. That is why it is required at any Cerberus base for Phantom to shower regularly. yes our implants can go into overcharge when we are in combat. Remember that is why we lay out physically superior enemies out on the field and I know many System Alliance soldier rage shoot at all phantoms.
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