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Post by biggydx on Apr 27, 2022 4:05:35 GMT
Darrah also thinks DA4 is going to be better than DA:O. Do you happen to remember which of his videos this comment was in? Or was it clearly titled "DA4 will be better than DAO" I mean, if true, that would be amazing, but I love Origins, so at the moment, based on zero inside knowledge *Press F to doubt* This one:
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Apr 27, 2022 4:10:04 GMT
Thank you!
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Post by colfoley on Apr 27, 2022 6:17:16 GMT
It won't be hard for it to beat DAO for me so not exactly a high bar to set.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Apr 27, 2022 6:54:10 GMT
It won't be hard for it to beat DAO for me so not exactly a high bar to set. Yeah for me it has to beat Inquisition+Trespasser first and foremost - actually no it doesnt have to beat, be at the same great level and thats enough for me.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 27, 2022 7:07:04 GMT
It won't be hard for it to beat DAO for me so not exactly a high bar to set. Yeah for me it has to beat Inquisition+Trespasser first and foremost - actually no it doesnt have to beat, be at the same great level and thats enough for me. I was pretty much thinking the same thing. Obviously I have a laundry list of things I wish DAI did better but even if DA4 hits all those notes and is the better game technically Inquisition is just so damn special to me. That and its cast.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Apr 27, 2022 7:14:32 GMT
Yeah for me it has to beat Inquisition+Trespasser first and foremost - actually no it doesnt have to beat, be at the same great level and thats enough for me. I was pretty much thinking the same thing. Obviously I have a laundry list of things I wish DAI did better but even if DA4 hits all those notes and is the better game technically Inquisition is just so damn special to me. That and its cast. Yeah for me too, DAI hit some special new level in how good they are compared to previous takes, also MEA in most ways.
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Post by biggydx on Apr 28, 2022 0:15:02 GMT
It so interesting seeing the duality of opinions regarding the Dragon Age titles (based on which you started with first).
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Post by colfoley on Apr 28, 2022 0:16:45 GMT
It so interesting seeing the duality of opinions regarding the Dragon Age titles (based on which you started with first). I started with Origins.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Apr 28, 2022 0:33:05 GMT
It so interesting seeing the duality of opinions regarding the Dragon Age titles (based on which you started with first). Triality? There are definitely some people for whom DA2 is clearly the superior title of the three. DAO doesn't win "hands down" across all metrics of the games, though. Visually it obviously falls far short of Inquisition. It is not a gentle jumping in point, either. It is the most complicated in terms of how the game 'handles' so it won't be for everyone. I preferred the combat in Origins, but that is because it provided so much more possibility for build experimentation and party composition than the two other games combined. But even then, I would've preferred the combat to have seemed more naturally paced. Entire continents drifted apart while Sten or Oghren were executing an overhead strike with a two-hander, and the 'shuffle' of moving in to position to execute a combat animation...? *shudder* Where it really stood out - for me - was in the presentation of the story. The narrative direction, I guess, in game development speak. The story itself was fairly boiler plate fantasy. Just like Inquisition's was fairly boiler plate super hero origin story in a fantasy setting. But the way the story was told to and directed by the actions of The Warden was what made it great.
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Post by GalentheYounger on Apr 28, 2022 1:25:21 GMT
It so interesting seeing the duality of opinions regarding the Dragon Age titles (based on which you started with first). Yep. I started with Inquisition (I think I am much younger than most here) and Inquisition remains my favorite game. It's blasphemy for me to say but I liked Origins the least because of the difficulty/learning curve and the outdated mechanics - I am not really a turn based strategy girl. All the characters in Inquisition have a really special place in my heart because they were my first foray into the DA world. However I do believe the characters in Origins >>>> Inquisition. They're just better, deeper, and more unique. The story in Origins far outstrips Inquisition, but I dislike nearly everything else. DA II is in very close competition with Inquisition for me for a favorite because of how much it made me laugh. Humor was done so well in that game.
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Post by biggydx on Apr 28, 2022 1:57:06 GMT
I happened to stumble across this IGN article regarding Sony requiring any developer releasing a game on Playstation (in the future) must produce a 2hr timed demo for PS Plus Premium members. More specifically, this is for games that will be priced over $34. www.ign.com/articles/playstation-plus-premium-game-trialsWhile I'm sure this is a huge plus for players who have access to said subscription, that's gotta be a pain in the neck for the developers. This would also apply to Dragon Age 4 and Mass Effect
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Post by fairdragon on May 17, 2022 10:52:41 GMT
That's a good question. I have no problem with waiting time, but not under these circumstances: We could have had it much earlier, if it hadn't been rebooted (2019-20). We suffer from a stupid decision by whoever. If i have to wait because of some problems, new good features or better CC, no problem take you time. If i have to wait because they want to implement in the last moment a open world like skyrim have. Than please make it in the next game. If i have to wait because of something like Corona please take you time health is the most important thing. But to reebooted something that works and to release something that doesn't make no sense at all.
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Post by Pounce de León on May 17, 2022 11:40:06 GMT
Some call it extended development. As we often see it amounts to little with BW and I rather call it troubled development.
It bears all the usual signs: Delay, major redesign mid-way, the usual release frenzy with hype and overselling.
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Post by colfoley on May 17, 2022 11:53:43 GMT
Some call it extended development. As we often see it amounts to little with BW and I rather call it troubled development. It bears all the usual signs: Delay, major redesign mid-way, the usual release frenzy with hype and overselling. To the best of my knowledge the game isn't even out yet, no real marketing, no hype, no release date even...so what hype and overselling are you talking about?
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on May 17, 2022 11:55:20 GMT
It so interesting seeing the duality of opinions regarding the Dragon Age titles (based on which you started with first). I started with Origins. Same. Origins -> 2 -> Inquisition. Inquisition still is the best for me.
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Post by Pounce de León on May 17, 2022 12:34:48 GMT
Some call it extended development. As we often see it amounts to little with BW and I rather call it troubled development. It bears all the usual signs: Delay, major redesign mid-way, the usual release frenzy with hype and overselling. To the best of my knowledge the game isn't even out yet, no real marketing, no hype, no release date even...so what hype and overselling are you talking about? "Mark Darrah think is better than DAO"?
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Post by colfoley on May 17, 2022 12:36:25 GMT
To the best of my knowledge the game isn't even out yet, no real marketing, no hype, no release date even...so what hype and overselling are you talking about? "Mark Darrah think is better than DAO"? Did he say that? Did anyone say that he said that? I could be wrong but I do seem to remember his only comments were that it was in pretty good shape and he was trusting the people he was leaving behind. Edit: While I may want to watch the video to double check his exact word play apparently that was actually a thing... Which then caused my comments above that its not going to be hard to be better then Origins.
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Post by Cyberstrike on May 17, 2022 13:34:41 GMT
It so interesting seeing the duality of opinions regarding the Dragon Age titles (based on which you started with first). Triality? There are definitely some people for whom DA2 is clearly the superior title of the three. DAO doesn't win "hands down" across all metrics of the games, though. Visually it obviously falls far short of Inquisition. It is not a gentle jumping in point, either. It is the most complicated in terms of how the game 'handles' so it won't be for everyone. I preferred the combat in Origins, but that is because it provided so much more possibility for build experimentation and party composition than the two other games combined. But even then, I would've preferred the combat to have seemed more naturally paced. Entire continents drifted apart while Sten or Oghren were executing an overhead strike with a two-hander, and the 'shuffle' of moving in to position to execute a combat animation...? *shudder* Where it really stood out - for me - was in the presentation of the story. The narrative direction, I guess, in game development speak. The story itself was fairly boiler plate fantasy. Just like Inquisition's was fairly boiler plate super hero origin story in a fantasy setting. But the way the story was told to and directed by the actions of The Warden was what made it great.
The basic plot of DAO is "there is an evil dragon and it must slain" take out all of the world building, choices, and characters and that's not a bad or a good thing but it's basically 80s fantasy movie Dragonslayer with more fantasy elements and it's combat was already ancient when the game was brand new and hasn't aged well at all.
I've said it a long time ago and I will say it again if I could do a full remake of one BioWare game DA2 would be it. After replaying very recently what is so frustrating with it is that there is a truly a great game there if BioWare had more time and money to have done it right. I think the companions are the most memorable and the dialogue is great, if the combat of DAO is slow then the combat of DA2 is way too fast there is a certain "thinking on your feet" approach to it's combat system that I like and I love how it made playing a mage a lot more fun and visually exciting than DAO.
DA2 also feels like it's an easy entry point for fans to get into the series. There aren't any novels or comics you have to read to understand the characters, backstory, or history. I mean you can watch Dragon Age: Redemption but it's not necessary to understand who Tallis is, where she's from or why she's doing the things she's doing, you can play Mark of the Assassin DLC and get all that info.
That is something that both DAO and DAI struggle and sometimes fail completely at. Too fully understand what is going and/or the backstory of characters like Cole, Celene, Briala, Gaspard, Fiona, the reasons why the Circle and Templars broke away from the Chantry, what the reasons of what the civil war in Orlais (and that is NEVER properly explained in game) for DAI. You have to read at least 6 novels, a lot of comics, and watch an anime movie and a live action web series plus play all of DAO it's DLC and DA2 and all of it's DLC. Which means a LOT of time. DAI sort of half asses it as much as I loathe Cole and Vivienne they both explain the events of Asunder and I get the gist of it. Meanwhile Leliana, Cullen, Josephine, Celene, Briala, Gaspard, and too a lesser extent Morrigan and Blackwall couldn't explain anything about what the events of The Masked Empire and that makes the whole "Wicked Eyes, Wicked Heart" quest line muddled and confusing and too top off it's boring as hell. I fucking hate that War Table in DAI the sheer amount of useless time wasting operations is extreme (and yes PC gamers can mod the damn thing I don't care because the damn thing should've never been in there to begin with) it sucks a lot of the fun out of the game. I would rather have more pointless fetch quests like the bottles, the tiles, and the shards that useless piece of shit War Table. Say what you want MEA used the War Table right and was a lot more fun to use than the War Table in DAI.
For me DA2 warts and all is overall the best game in the series, DAI is second best, and DAO is the weakest.
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Post by Ravenfeeder on May 17, 2022 14:12:14 GMT
For me DA2 warts and all is overall the best game in the series, DAI is second best, and DAO is the weakest. Wow! I disagree with almost everything in your entire post. That's the problem the Devs have, fandom wants different things, some diametrically opposed to each other. They can't please even the dedicated fans of the franchise so don't know what might be accepted by the more general gaming public.
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Post by luketrevelyan on May 17, 2022 14:38:49 GMT
For me DA2 warts and all is overall the best game in the series, DAI is second best, and DAO is the weakest. Wow! I disagree with almost everything in your entire post. That's the problem the Devs have, fandom wants different things, some diametrically opposed to each other. They can't please even the dedicated fans of the franchise so don't know what might be accepted by the more general gaming public. Each game has felt unique from the others so it isn't too surprising the fanbase has become segmented in a way (although I don't think the segmentation is nearly as bad as say Star Wars). Personally I appreciate the variety we've had, even though not every change I've liked and DAO remains my favorite. But I'm glad we haven't just had DAO2 and DAO3. I'm sure DA4 will also feel very unique from the others and hopefully people will be prepared for that.
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Post by colfoley on May 17, 2022 23:55:35 GMT
OK finally got around to rewatching thaat video and he didn't say DA 4 was going to be better then Origins just he expects it to be 'great' was the highest praise he would offer on it and we shouldn't be worried in it because he is confident in the group still there.
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Post by Gwydden on May 19, 2022 12:29:39 GMT
OK finally got around to rewatching thaat video and he didn't say DA 4 was going to be better then Origins just he expects it to be 'great' was the highest praise he would offer on it and we shouldn't be worried in it because he is confident in the group still there. I also seem to recall that Darrah is among those who think Inquisition is the best DA game (ew), so I don't know that he'd use Origins as the benchmark.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 19, 2022 15:40:09 GMT
OK finally got around to rewatching thaat video and he didn't say DA 4 was going to be better then Origins just he expects it to be 'great' was the highest praise he would offer on it and we shouldn't be worried in it because he is confident in the group still there. I also seem to recall that Darrah is among those who think Inquisition is the best DA game (ew), so I don't know that he'd use Origins as the benchmark. It means he doesn’t think this one will be the best in the franchise. Better than Origins but not better than Inquisition.
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Post by ApocAlypsE on May 19, 2022 16:26:04 GMT
It seems the game is stuck in development hell. I don't remember many games coming out well out of development hell. I didn't believe at the time that I would be saying it, but BG3 will come out before DA4 it seems, and Larian are better at being Bioware than Bioware themselves now.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 19, 2022 17:20:07 GMT
It seems the game is stuck in development hell. I don't remember many games coming out well out of development hell. I didn't believe at the time that I would be saying it, but BG3 will come out before DA4 it seems, and Larian are better at being Bioware than Bioware themselves now. And it was so easy to avoid this too.
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