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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jun 5, 2022 13:50:59 GMT
I imagine the answer to this is that Tallis was a companion rather than a major NPC, although I agree it did seem rather a trivial detail to be included. I mean even if we were to encounter Tallis in the next game, is she really going to say "Oh you know, I once flirted with the Champion of Kirkwall"? Well, may be she would but it would lower her in my estimation if she did. What interest would it be to my new PC? Am I meant to be impressed? This would just one funny dialogue for fans who played DA 2 and the DLC. If you don´t want that or don´t use the Keep you obviously don´t get this dialogue. Its fun and a cool personal playerstate moment so don´t take to seriously. There is already a tile if the player is befriended with Dorian or not. That´s more enough. Why Aveline only sees Hawke as a friend. And again there is a tile of that plus one for Donnic. It doesn´t hurt see my Tallis answer. Because it made special and rewarding for the player if he / she sees his / her efforts plays of. Simple i would ask is this flirt from importance after all these years or can get you a funny reference? Also how much has the player invested for this choice? I mean if someone played DAI plus Trespasser and only flirts with Harding he / she should get something for this in DAD.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 5, 2022 14:00:00 GMT
There is already a tile if the player is befriended with Dorian or not. That´s more enough. Being friendly with Dorian is not the same as flirting with him. You can avoid the heart icons entirely and still befriend him. Why Aveline only sees Hawke as a friend. And again there is a tile of that plus one for Donnic. Ah, then I stand corrected. Mind you, like Tallis, Aveline was a companion rather than an NPC, so does have an area dedicated to her. I mean if someone played DAI plus Trespasser and only flirts with Harding he / she should get something for this in DAD. How many people actually did that? Still, I agree, if you did spend your entire time exclusively flirting with Harding to the exclusion of all others, then may be it does warrant a tile in the romance section. In that case, would you want Harding to be off limits in DAD, so she remains faithful to the Inquisitor? So, perhaps there is the option of an initial flirt but she replies with a polite rejection.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jun 5, 2022 14:27:23 GMT
Being friendly with Dorian is not the same as flirting with him. You can avoid the heart icons entirely and still befriend him. What more do you want from Dorian than this? He made it clear that is just a flirt between friends nothing more nothing less. So why should Dorian even reference this "flirt" after that many years? The more important thing is if there are friends or not?
More than letting Danzig live i suppose. No because its just a flirt not a real romance but players who went where should atleast get some dialogues for their trouble.
By the way this has nothing to do with your current discussion but i want to say one thing about the Keep or designing quests if you will. If you bring bring an area back like Redcliffe make sure that relevant choices are atleast been acknowledged somehow. What i want to say is i am still pissed that Bella wasn´t in DAI or not even mentioned if Bella runs the tavern.
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Post by Hawke on Jun 5, 2022 14:54:58 GMT
An offline built-in tool that could automatically read the existing saves, like it was with Dragon Age II and Pillars of Eternity. I suppose, it is as likely as the game being DRM- and DLC-free.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 5, 2022 17:39:29 GMT
If you bring bring an area back like Redcliffe make sure that relevant choices are atleast been acknowledged somehow. What i want to say is i am still pissed that Bella wasn´t in DAI or not even mentioned if Bella runs the tavern. I agree but there are a lot of things they seemed to ignore. After all, in one version didn't she marry Teagan? Or was that the other girl (I can't remember her name offhand), the sister of Bevan? Anyway, my main gripe with DAI was how they pretty much ignored the entire plot of Awakening. We had Leliana asking us to find out what had happened to the Grey Wardens by seeking out Blackwall, when the logical thing would have been to ask at Vigil's Keep (which according to Last Flight was still operational). Clarel seeks permission to enter Ferelden, referring back to the history with Sophie Dryden, when the events of the Blight and the Grey Warden official presence in Vigil's Keep should have negated that negative aspect to their history in Ferelden. Then Teagan brings that up again in Trespasser when saying why we should disband the Inquisition. Not to mention that Sophie Dryden took the action she did at the request of the Banns in order to get rid of a tyrant, so actually very similar to what Eamon did with our Warden, with Teagan's approval so far as I was aware, so that makes him a steaming hypocrite. Then the Grey Warden who was left behind by the Hero whilst they went off on a wild goose chase is apparently being hounded by Clarel, who had no authority in Ferelden because she was in charge of the Orlesian Wardens, so even if she was allowed to enter the country by virtue of the establishment of Vigil's Keep, she was not allowed to take charge without the approval of Weisshauppt, which according to Last Flight she had not received because they had not heard from her during the period she was under Corypheus' thrall. To be honest, what with the history of Anders not matching the epilogue to Awakening (and the fact that the time line didn't fit with his arrival in Kirkwall) and then all the inconsistencies in DAI, it was as though Awakening never happened. Which is presumably why we never heard any more about the Silver Order of warriors that I founded (something else left out of the Keep).
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 5, 2022 18:57:54 GMT
In that case, would you want Harding to be off limits in DAD, so she remains faithful to the Inquisitor? So, perhaps there is the option of an initial flirt but she replies with a polite rejection. Yes, especially since in Trespasser it is established that the two can be beyond just flirting. So that would be better than forcing the two to break up or Harding cheating on the Inquisitor.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 5, 2022 20:03:48 GMT
Yes, especially since in Trespasser it is established that the two can be beyond just flirting. So that would be better than forcing the two to break up or Harding cheating on the Inquisitor. In that case, may be they will add some additional tiles to the Keep if they are intending using it and Harding is going to be involved with the next game, although that would only be necessary if she was going to be a potential romance. I still think that with this length of time between games they won't be that bothered with returning characters from the previous one, except those that are meant to be in Tevinter. When it comes to romances I think they are more likely to go with completely new characters
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Post by q5tyhj on Jun 5, 2022 23:08:58 GMT
I loved the Keep, so I hope they keep it or at least create something very similar.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 6, 2022 11:39:43 GMT
I like The Keep and just want them to keep it updated. I am all for trying to export The Keep to an offline version that is baked into the character creator even if it means if the risk of bad import variables and mistakes that might not get fixed. For that could be a one time deal that they develop an interpreter that takes the online version and just uses that in the game, it might not be possible though. I don't see a save import like they did in the past happening again there were a lot of bugs and issues that way. I treall ydependson how long the yuse the sam eengine though as they could get away with it in the ME trilogy because all 3 games used the same engine. Dragon Age hasn't done this as DAO and 2 used Bioware's aging in house engine and DAI uses Frostbite. If all games are gong to use the same engine then a save import will likely work best hoewver if you'er planning to do what the ydid with DA the keep is probabl ythe better option in the short termgiven it'll be easier to tweak and adapt so I can understand th ereasoning behind the keep. It reall ydepends I think on ho wlong they intend to keep working on DA because when they do stop working on the series they likely are going to need to create an offlin eversion so people can continue to enjoy it. Much like how they removed all the MP stuff from ME3 for the LE so we can now play the series entirely offline if we want thanks to that. The ydid that I think so that eventuall ythe ycan get rid of the N7HQ site stuff because really we don't need it any more. We do stil need the keep but I do hope that in time they come up with an offline version for that.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jun 6, 2022 15:04:51 GMT
I agree but there are a lot of things they seemed to ignore. After all, in one version didn't she marry Teagan? Or was that the other girl (I can't remember her name offhand), the sister of Bevan? Yes this was Kaitlyn but this in the epilogue so it could possible doesn´t mean anything. But maybe its for all the best that Kaityln isn´t married to Arl Teagan who was a pretty jerk and
someone who has bad memory about Wardens. I believe it´s just bad writing. Bioware cleary want for their Trespasser one person who wants to control the Inquisition under Orlaisian influence. Cyril de Montfort is a good fit there because we don´t see much of him in Marks of Assassin. And there is Ferelden point of view who are wanting to disband the Inquisition. Arl Teagan could have worked if he wasn´t made into Roderick 2.0. In my opinion they should pick someone else if they want to a "villian". Maybe Gallagher Wulff if they hadn´t kill him off as option in a wartable mission. So my pick would be Habren Bryland who is at 9:44 the new Arlessa of South Reach. dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Habren_BrylandI don´t want to be that hard on DA 2 because they have so little time for the writing but for DAI doesn´t have this kind of an excuse.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jun 6, 2022 15:07:44 GMT
Yes, especially since in Trespasser it is established that the two can be beyond just flirting. So that would be better than forcing the two to break up or Harding cheating on the Inquisitor. That´s just your own interpretation. For Bioware atleast for Patrick Weekes is just a flirt. Nothing more nothing less.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 6, 2022 17:43:12 GMT
I believe it´s just bad writing. Bioware cleary want for their Trespasser one person who wants to control the Inquisition under Orlaisian influence. Cyril de Montfort is a good fit there because we don´t see much of him in Marks of Assassin. And there is Ferelden point of view who are wanting to disband the Inquisition. Arl Teagan could have worked if he wasn´t made into Roderick 2.0. Teagan was Ferelden Ambassador to Orlais in Masked Empire, so I think that is why they used him as their representative at the Exalted Council, since it was held in Orlais. As you say, the problem was the total character assassination which had him be both a jerk and an idiot at the same time. To be honest, you could explain it by the fact that we had really made him look bad for not defending Crestwood or sending someone else to do so, since I think it was contained in his Arldom, and also indirectly the fact that he abandoned Redcliffe, because even if you didn't save it yourself, because you were off sorting out the problem at Therinfall, you did seem to be the only person doing anything for the people of Ferelden. Something, of course, that you can point out in an aggressive disband speech. I so enjoyed taking that option. For once they got it spot on how I felt about all of them. What I did find curious is that as you approach the chamber, Teagan seems to be complaining that our actions/those of Solas might have provoked the Qun. So he got the message about us neutralising the Viddasala but not the part about her plotting to take over the south? Considering the Triumverate on Par Vollen had disowned her actions to Josephine, where was the problem?
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jun 6, 2022 18:13:20 GMT
Teagan was Ferelden Ambassador to Orlais in Masked Empire, so I think that is why they used him as their representative at the Exalted Council, since it was held in Orlais. After his performance at the Exalted Council he shouldn´t never be allowed to work as Ambassador again. And to be honest after Trespasser i am not gonna lie i never want to see him in a Dragon Age game ever again. He really hated him in Trespasser but for the wrong reasons as the writers have intended. I am sorry but its almost impossible to explain his behavior because he was clearly writen from somone new who hasn´t any idea who Teagan was in DAO and DA2. Like i said Bioware simple want out of Teagan a Roderick 2.0 without his redemption arc at the end.
I can´t unterstand why they butcher Teagan that much just for the sake of having an antagonist with no good nuances? They should have use a minor character like Cyril insteadt or why not creating a complete new there they can tell the story they want to tell.
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Post by Gileadan on Jun 7, 2022 9:15:24 GMT
Ignore.
Neither me as a player nor a new protagonist cares about who boinked who or said something mean to whom ten frigging years ago. I'd rather prefer that all those resources would be spent on creating a new story that's exciting enough to make people forget about yesteryear's Keeping up with the Hardings.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 7, 2022 15:59:48 GMT
I can´t unterstand why they butcher Teagan that much just for the sake of having an antagonist with no good nuances? This is why I am not really that keen on them having too many cameo characters in the next game if they are going to change them beyond all recognition. Teagan's odd behaviour would mean nothing to new players but was jarring to old ones. Cyril also meant nothing to new players and was only significant to those who had played MoA. It was also odd him being the Orlesian representative if Gaspard was on the throne because Cyril's family were related to and fervent supporters of Celene, although you would only know that from Masked Empire. If characters from previous games are going to be brought back as a nod to established players, then they should at least resemble the character we remember. Otherwise, what is the point?
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jun 7, 2022 19:22:29 GMT
This is why I am not really that keen on them having too many cameo characters in the next game if they are going to change them beyond all recognition. Teagan's odd behaviour would mean nothing to new players but was jarring to old ones. Its just bad writing but to be fair the idea could have worked if the Arl Teagan writer had known the character more. I liked Cyril in Trespasser for what his role was. I only have wished that he won´t wear this stupid mask and see more from his face. Yes this character should be recognizable in personality and charactermodel but in my opinion its more important that they do something interessing with this character. I still don´t know why they bring Bonny Lem for DA 2. Seems pointless. dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Bonny_Lem
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jun 7, 2022 22:03:07 GMT
I believe it´s just bad writing. Bioware cleary want for their Trespasser one person who wants to control the Inquisition under Orlaisian influence. Cyril de Montfort is a good fit there because we don´t see much of him in Marks of Assassin. And there is Ferelden point of view who are wanting to disband the Inquisition. Arl Teagan could have worked if he wasn´t made into Roderick 2.0. Teagan was Ferelden Ambassador to Orlais in Masked Empire, so I think that is why they used him as their representative at the Exalted Council, since it was held in Orlais. As you say, the problem was the total character assassination which had him be both a jerk and an idiot at the same time. To be honest, you could explain it by the fact that we had really made him look bad for not defending Crestwood or sending someone else to do so, since I think it was contained in his Arldom, and also indirectly the fact that he abandoned Redcliffe, because even if you didn't save it yourself, because you were off sorting out the problem at Therinfall, you did seem to be the only person doing anything for the people of Ferelden. Something, of course, that you can point out in an aggressive disband speech. I so enjoyed taking that option. For once they got it spot on how I felt about all of them. What I did find curious is that as you approach the chamber, Teagan seems to be complaining that our actions/those of Solas might have provoked the Qun. So he got the message about us neutralising the Viddasala but not the part about her plotting to take over the south? Considering the Triumverate on Par Vollen had disowned her actions to Josephine, where was the problem?
Depending on how you play if you do enough good deeds in the Hinterlands/Redcliffe Teagan's attitude makes a lot of sense. He has the Inquisition who are just as if not more popular than he is and Leliana told them the secret way into his castle (which he did tell the Warden and her in DAO but it's implied that she was never supposed to tell anyone about it) so he's got a massive army with plenty of spies knowing how to sneak into his castle and that can be use for blackmail or even murder so Teagan would have brick up escape passage and try to create a new one without the Inquisition's spies finding out when they have a small settlement at the Crossroads started and that Cult in the hills following them and if you sided with the mages the Inquisitor is probably more popular than the royal family for getting rid of a magister and getting the mage rebels out of Redcliffe and out of the country. So yeah I can understand if Teagan is bit pissed off he's been living with the Inquisition in some areas over him and the royal family and he sees it as a potential threat.
As for Harding flirting with the Inquisitor, I don't think they would see it as an official romance and unless either of them feature in the game, why bother updating the Keep? Would people really want to be denied the opportunity to romance Harding because they had an understated, chaste relationship in DAI? I thought it was implied that Inquisitor/Harding relationship was new in Trespasser and that it was a few dates, and not much else. IF (and the keyword here i: IF) it could be that the two ended the relationship on good terms so that would be how I would if Harding is a companion and LI in DAD. They were friends and when they tried to take it too next level they quickly realized it wasn't got to work out so they ended the romance and returned to being just good friends.
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Post by melbella on Jun 7, 2022 22:29:10 GMT
He has the Inquisition who are just as if not more popular than he is and Leliana told them the secret way into his castle (which he did tell the Warden and her in DAO but it's implied that she was never supposed to tell anyone about it) Somehow Leliana knows about the secret entrance even if the Warden never met or recruited her.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 7, 2022 22:43:03 GMT
As for Harding flirting with the Inquisitor, I don't think they would see it as an official romance and unless either of them feature in the game, why bother updating the Keep? Would people really want to be denied the opportunity to romance Harding because they had an understated, chaste relationship in DAI? I thought it was implied that Inquisitor/Harding relationship was new in Trespasser and that it was a few dates, and not much else. IF (and the keyword here i: IF) it could be that the two ended the relationship on good terms so that would be how I would if Harding is a companion and LI in DAD. They were friends and when they tried to take it too next level they quickly realized it wasn't got to work out so they ended the romance and returned to being just good friends. That should be up to the player, not BioWare. If they decide that, it’s a very slippery slope for what else they can do to previous relationships.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 7, 2022 23:33:08 GMT
Ignore. Neither me as a player nor a new protagonist cares about who boinked who or said something mean to whom ten frigging years ago. I'd rather prefer that all those resources would be spent on creating a new story that's exciting enough to make people forget about yesteryear's Keeping up with the Hardings. You do realize that the Keep covers more than just romances, right?
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Post by Gileadan on Jun 8, 2022 4:01:24 GMT
Ignore. Neither me as a player nor a new protagonist cares about who boinked who or said something mean to whom ten frigging years ago. I'd rather prefer that all those resources would be spent on creating a new story that's exciting enough to make people forget about yesteryear's Keeping up with the Hardings. You do realize that the Keep covers more than just romances, right? I know, but how much of whatever that is will affect a new protagonist or will even be known to him/her? DAD will be set in a new area with hopefully new characters - what happened in the previous games that will have any important effect in the next? Why put any effort into that instead of focusing on the new plot and characters?
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 8, 2022 6:34:00 GMT
You do realize that the Keep covers more than just romances, right? I know, but how much of whatever that is will affect a new protagonist or will even be known to him/her? DAD will be set in a new area with hopefully new characters - what happened in the previous games that will have any important effect in the next? Why put any effort into that instead of focusing on the new plot and characters? I think they should at least bring in the decisions of those in power. We need allies and it would be important who rules orlais, ferelden and orzamar i think.
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Post by Gileadan on Jun 8, 2022 7:01:51 GMT
I know, but how much of whatever that is will affect a new protagonist or will even be known to him/her? DAD will be set in a new area with hopefully new characters - what happened in the previous games that will have any important effect in the next? Why put any effort into that instead of focusing on the new plot and characters? I think they should at least bring in the decisions of those in power. We need allies and it would be important who rules orlais, ferelden and orzamar i think. You make a good point, but I'm still hoping that they will go with the idea that those in power will do nothing, and it's not particularly interesting to know who exactly is ignoring us. But even if they go with the tired old "help faction X with their problems so they kindly agree to help you saving everyone's butt including their own" route, the question of who's in power in some other country could be answered in a simple conversation. I hope it won't be necessary though. I've had my fill of Ferelden/Orlais/Orzammar/Inquisition. Give me something new.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 8, 2022 7:13:43 GMT
I think they should at least bring in the decisions of those in power. We need allies and it would be important who rules orlais, ferelden and orzamar i think. You make a good point, but I'm still hoping that they will go with the idea that those in power will do nothing, and it's not particularly interesting to know who exactly is ignoring us. But even if they go with the tired old "help faction X with their problems so they kindly agree to help you saving everyone's butt including their own" route, the question of who's in power in some other country could be answered in a simple conversation. I hope it won't be necessary though. I've had my fill of Ferelden/Orlais/Orzammar/Inquisition. Give me something new. We get 90% new, but because of Trespasser, Solas and co they need some connection.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jun 9, 2022 21:36:16 GMT
That should be up to the player, not BioWare. If they decide that, it’s a very slippery slope for what else they can do to previous relationships. Of course Bioware should make the game they want. If you don´t like you have every right to not buy / play it. Speaking of Harding: If we getting a full Harding romance with its own scenes in DAD so yeah ignore the stuff in DAI which isn´t that really flesh out really. So no Harding was also never a "real" romance in the beginning. I would compare i know this sounds strange with Diana Allers which also feels odd with ME 3 other romances.
I know, but how much of whatever that is will affect a new protagonist or will even be known to him/her? DAD will be set in a new area with hopefully new characters - what happened in the previous games that will have any important effect in the next? Why put any effort into that instead of focusing on the new plot and characters? It still he 4th game in a "same" timeline / age of a series so of course there should be returning character. But fairdragon already mentioned this because of Tevinter setting not that many are returning. Besides who wants to visit Tevinter which isn´t a beloved country in Southern Thedas in the first place when they are at war with the Qunari.
This is just my opinion but i believe that fatigue about returning character has to do more with some characters who are always or often returning. Alistair, Morrigan, Flemeth, Varric, Teagan and especially Leliana i agree that those have appear too much but Sten as new Arishok, Fenris, Tallis, Dorian or secondary characters like Calpernia or Gatt i would welcome because they haven´t been focused that much. Also they make sense for the Tevinter setting.
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