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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 10, 2022 9:55:33 GMT
I hated that too, but to be fair they do say those three survive since the boss says they were arrested. Yeah, it was still a *** move since there was no guarantee that they would not at least be severely injured. And given the accuracy of her... perfect, of course... aim with arrows, she could have just mail-slotted those two templars at the gate. The actual enemies. Absolutely agree. Things like that while overall I’m positive towards her stop me from liking her. Though I don’t think killing Templars is something she’d do, even if simply it would hamper the mission. Even in Tevinter the original plan had them merely distracting guards not killing them.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 10, 2022 10:20:36 GMT
Overall I'm decently happy, but I have some thoughts: Response: - So, Dorian's ancestor created the artifact... does this confirm Dorian's involvement in DA:D? Not really but it was interesting having that link. I've mentioned elsewhere that DG's short story had Dorian recalling his father's spirit to talk with him, so it maybe something the Pavus family researched and also explains his opting for Necromancy as a specialism. - I might misremember, but didn't the spirit say "he" wanted the circulum? What he would that be? It referred to someone else wanting it. I'm not sure if it was specific about gender but it could just have been referring to Hira's contact or letting us think the Crimson Knight was male until the final reveal. - Ouch, killing Fairbanks so early was brutal, I really like Mercer and wanted to hear and see more from him. Feel they did the dirty a bit with Fairbanks as a character. If they were going to kill him off, why not make him a generic Inquisition agent like the others? - I was a bit saddened we didn't get to see Tassia use templar abilties to deal with the mages, or are the Tevinter templars not taught how? Tevinter Templars are just regular soldiers, possibly trained in mage killer abilities but not like those in the south and they aren't addicted to lyrium as a result. - Is Qwydion a Tal-Vashot? An escaped slave? Ben-Hasrath? Her unsewn lips point to her not having been a part of the Qun. Like, what is she? And how is she connected to dragons (no other Quanri seem to have an affinity for them). Until proven otherwise, I am just going to say she is a Vashoth and that is why she is so well adjusted mentally. Iron Bull suggested they do have some sub-conscious connection, so it could be that or she is just generally empathetic. - I really liked what they did with Rezaren up until the very end... he was such a morally nice gray character and then he did the classic "go cray cray and use blood magic". I'd have preferred if they didn't make him do that, it feels forced. I've mentioned elsewhere how this does sort of mirror the history of the Black Divine as given by Lambert in Asunder. He appeared to be a good guy at first, claiming to want to change the world for the better and then turned out to be a corrupt, blood mage. Dorian also said that was the problem with blood magic and power, which can both be a temptation that leads to corruption of even the best of men. His greatest fear was "temptation" after all. - Also, why does she hate Rezaren so much? he wasn't the one who killed her brother, and he obviously helped her escape. Why is she holding so much hatred towards him? Because of what he represents? Or did I miss something? Yes, I think he was symbolic of everything wrong with Tevinter. Plus she would have been influenced by Hira after her escape, who hates her own country, the good and the bad, and wants to see them destroyed. - Seeing Meredith come back didn't particularly surprise me, I recall there was some lore hinting she wasn't really dead, but how did she create a whole cult in Kirkwall under Varric's nose? Because he keeps gallivanting off and neglecting his duties? Who can say? If it is something that does get included in the game, no doubt we will find out then. - Why on earth does Meredith need the circulum to begin with? We know her goal (destroying Tevinter) but how would the artifact help her with this? Does she think it will restore her body? Possibly, plus perhaps she wants to bring back all the great Chantry heroes from the past. As someone pointed out, it needed the blood of a high dragon to bring back just one person, so without sacrifice on a grand scale, that would be a non starter. Plus she is crazy.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 10, 2022 10:26:29 GMT
I'm the only person in the world that does not own a cell phone OR have Netflix. Do you have a friend with Netflix? That worked for me. You can binge watch it in a morning or afternoon.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 10, 2022 10:29:47 GMT
Yeah, I've wanted a Tevinter Templar companion in Dreadwolf for aaaaaages and Tassia would be a perfect one - someone who genuinely tries to do her duty and oppose blood magic but is hampered by her own personal loyalties and Tevinter being, y'know, Tevinter. And she should keep the hammer She mentioned belonging to a group that is trying to improve Tevinter. The Viper had a Templar with him in the short story. They were trying to change Tevinter for the benefit of those that the Venatori and others like them "forgot". They were opposed to the Venatori but I don't think they wanted to destroy Tevinter, just bring about a change in the status quo. So, I could see Tassia being one of them, if not before the events of Absolution, then after them. Alternatively, maybe she was referring to the Lucerni. I think she would support the efforts of Dorian and Maevaris to root out corruption in the Magisterium.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 10, 2022 10:43:26 GMT
I wonder if the wife Fairbanks mentions is Clara, the woman in DAI who is the one to give the quest about Fairbank’s origins. Probably. Whoever she is, he obviously recalls her with affection and had a good life with her. All the more reason, it was rotten of them to kill him off. The other relationships in the game were either manipulative, abusive or both and ended badly. Well, I suppose Roland and Lacklon was okay but that had only just got started. So the one long lasting positive relationship we learn about is also destroyed rather than letting Fairbanks retire gracefully. Kinda sucks really.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 10, 2022 10:54:59 GMT
quote author=" Hanako Ikezawa " source="/post/1561911/thread" timestamp="1670665273"]Just finished the season.[/quote] Favorite character is Tannis. If we can only have only character from this show appear in the games, hope it is her. Can’t help but appreciate a Lawful Good character that keeps to their morals and does what is right in a place full of corruption. Hope she doesn’t lose that in the future. I liked her too. I loved it when she said that people were more important than the artifact. Could see her being part of the Viper's group, which has Templars among them, and clearly wants to reform Tevinter rather than simply destroy it, and not just tinker with the Magisterium like the Lucerni. Out of the protagonists, favorite is easily Qwydion. A lot of what I love about Tannis she also has, seemingly a genuine good person. If we could have two appear ingame, she’s my second choice. Same here, I really warmed to her character. First choice in my case although it was a near run thing Miriam and Roland overall I’m positive towards, and am mixed with Lacklon (definitely didn’t help my opinion of the Lords of Fortune). Not a huge fan of how they killed guards just doing their job (though with the heist itself sounded like they wanted no blood spilled) or the collateral deaths from releasing the dragon though. Roland was okay but I'm could take or leave the rest of the group really.
I’m actually excited about the return of Meredith. She was a wonderfully fascinating character in DA2, and I hope they keep that and explore it further rather than just have her be cartoon evil. More of a sigh moment. Doesn't anyone in Thedas ever stay dead? Small side note, but yay moment cameo of Josephine! Glad to hear that the reason the Inquisition didn’t support Mira’s idea was because they didn’t want collateral damage of innocents. Good call too since her plan was genocide of Tevinter. If she didn’t have those feelings, wouldn’t be surprised if she was brought in to help Dorian bringing down Venatori remnants. Yes, I was overjoyed that the Inquisition rejected her ideas. Josephine would have been appalled but so would my Inquisitor. Wipe Tevinter off the map, the good as well as the bad! No thanks.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 10, 2022 11:37:49 GMT
Ok the series was better than i thought. I would give it a 6 / 10. Maybe you can give it a 7 / 10 if you are big Fan of DA. I would argue that series is first been made for the Fans in mind because unlike Arcane or Castlevania i don´t see the appeal for watchers you don´t anything about Dragon Age. Therefore i would recommend it to a fan but i won´t do this to person who don´t know nothing about Dragon Age. The characters were good. After Fairbanks of course WTF? Why did they bring him back and then kill him off? He was the scene stealer in the show. I have a small hope that he somehow survived and trank a potion or something. He seems to be character who always had a plan for something. Also he is an rogue maybe he faked his death. Maybe it sounds dumb but if you get Meredith back i guess nothing is more impossible. i really liked Tassia. I loved that we have another Tevinter character who isn´t a villian per se. Her lover Rezaren seem to be gray but no he wasn´t. Lacklon and Roland are i guess cute as a couple but Roland as a character on his own a bit bland. Qwydion is ok not that annoying as i have feared. Hira i mistrusted her when she first open her mouth. It´s always a mages who betrays the group. And second Fairbanks "betray" hadn´t worked for me at all. I don´t get to know him that much in DAI but it had been enough that the show therefore wasted so much time for "big" twist. Sorry mabye use another NPC or a new as fake bestrayer but not the Robin Hood guy who cares and protects the Dales refugees. And big twist at end... I still hate it. Maybe you can explain it but i don´t care for me Meredith was dead and her story had been told. It seem pretty desperate to bring her back. Also i have to many unanswered questions about her, Samson and Corypheus. Speaking of Corypheus so he and Meredith are also back as villians or oh what a twist surprising allies? in Dreadwolf? Is the Dreadwolf alone not good enough. Also where did Meredith war plans come from? Sure she hates Mages and Tevinter is run be mages but it feel pretty forced. Also isn´t it not enough that Qunari are fighting with Tevinter? Or is this not longer the case? And the Qunari are more fighting with Antiva?
Conclusion its dumb and i hate it. I also don´t care if there is a good explanation. Dreadwolf and the series overall don´t have needed the return of Meredith of all people.
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Post by Liadan on Dec 10, 2022 12:35:39 GMT
I just finished watching the show and i liked it, it was fun. - The characters were enjoyable, i especially liked Qwydion and Tassia and i liked the romance development between Roland and Lacklon. But poor Fairbanks. I wander if Clara is the wife he mentioned? - The villains were also interesting. In the first episodes i had doubts if Rezaren was actually a villain and i only start thinking about Hira as the villain after hearing Qwydion say that she worked with Fairbanks for years and he couldn`t be the traitor (At first i though maybe Fairbanks was possessed or something). - Also it was interesting to see the little connection between the artifact and Dorian`s family. And i was surprised when the artifact worked in the end. - What i didn`t liked in the show was the last three minutes. Meredith alive? I hope it`s only for the show and not for the game, i don`t find the idea of fighting Meredith and the Red Templars again that appealing.
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Post by fairdragon on Dec 10, 2022 12:50:02 GMT
I agree. I would argue that series is first been made for the Fans in mind because unlike Arcane or Castlevania i don´t see the appeal for watchers you don´t anything about Dragon Age. Therefore i would recommend it to a fan but i won´t do this to person who don´t know nothing about Dragon Age. I think it would have needed two episodes with more explanation and backstory. so it was action packed but very flat. characters: I love Qwydion and Roland. The rest is okay i guess. And for ones i have hope for something new. But bringing back known plots is easyer than to navigate through the lore and come up with something new. But as the writers say they don't know so many of the world. So maybe in Season 2. At the End i liked this serie but wasn't really blown away.
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Post by ellanathehamster on Dec 10, 2022 13:05:04 GMT
Does Bioware have a fetish for rogue elf/human mage lesbian couples? It's what, third already? O_o
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Post by ellanathehamster on Dec 10, 2022 13:16:40 GMT
More thoughts: -Killing Fairbanks off was so unnecessarily. -Timeline-wise, it seems to be in the middle after Trespasser, but before Dred Wolf Takes You (from Tevinter Nights). That story looks like the closest to events of DAD. OR it's fully after events of Tevinter nights. If I'm not mistaken, in the book Meredith is still a statue in the middle of Kirkwall, not hidden somewhere in the city, surrounded by her followers. Which leads me to believe this plot will be resolved in Netflix series and probably won't have much impact in the game. (As it should. IMO it's soo boring ) -I wish the how had more morally greay characters and plot lines. When Fairbanks stabbed Hira, I was really excited. I thought- is he a traitor? She mentioned Kirkwall, so she probably works for Varric. Connection to shadow Inquisition and DAD? Buuuuut. No. When the trush was revealed, it was a bit of letdown for me. -I don't like Meredith resurrection and think it's pulled out of the ass. How was she able to gather followers? Who would let her do it? I would assume after everything Varric would be keeping a close eye on the statue.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 10, 2022 13:32:28 GMT
Randomly sacrifices a bunch of people as a distraction in the first minutes. How likeable. You missed the conversation between Miriam and Roland right before she did that. Their gang leader wanted both groups to fight it off inside the Mage tower. Some people were not getting out of that gig, the gang leader was hopping the "some people" were her and Roland.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 10, 2022 14:22:23 GMT
As a stand alone series I enjoyed it but I really hope it doesn't have any impact on the game, apart from perhaps some carry over characters. Bear in mind that not everyone who plays the game will have watched this, so if a certain revelation does have a bearing on DA:D, people are going to be confused and probably a little put out that it was set up in this way. However, up to now, I don't recall either the comics or tie-in videos have really had any impact on the games. Also, if the game is set around 9:52 as hinted at in one of the 2021 short stories, then this series is definitely set several years before that, only shortly after Trespasser, so late 9:44 or 9:45.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Dec 10, 2022 14:32:01 GMT
However, up to now, I don't recall either the comics or tie-in videos have really had any impact on the games. I would say Asunder was actually pretty important, both to fully understand the war between templars and mages and to know Cole, but I think it was easy enough to justify the fighting to be 100% the result of Anders' actions in DA2 (although that is just a piece of the puzzle). But I agree, books and other media should be more to expand on lore and have isolated stories to tell rather than fully tying in to the games.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Dec 10, 2022 14:43:21 GMT
Does Bioware have a fetish for rogue elf/human mage lesbian couples? It's what, third already? O_o
I don't think it's specifically human mages - in fact Hira is the first one. I think Tessa, Celene and Vadis are all rogues themselves.
It is true that more than half of the established lesbian relationships in the series are human/elf, though, if you don't count any of the ones involving a player character. (Specifically we've got Celene/Briala, Tessa/Charter, Irian Cestes/Vadis and Hira/Miriam on that side and Branka/Hespith, Leliana/Marjolaine and Sera/Dagna on the other.)
The reason there are so many elf rogues is that most of the elven combatants who aren't mages are rogues. It's not just the lesbians, it's Katriel and Zevran and Berwick and Athenril and Tallis and Gatt and Skinner and Vaea and even the legendary Garahel. Even Ariane fights with two weapons, something that became a rogue-exclusive thing right after her DLC came out. Fenris was in a pretty unusual in being a position to learn how to be a warrior instead.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 10, 2022 15:32:43 GMT
I would say Asunder was actually pretty important, both to fully understand the war between templars and mages and to know Cole, I deliberately avoided mentioning the novels. Asunder did seem to be specifically for fans to explain why there was the gap in time between the end of DA2 and DAI. Also, why Fiona was leading the mages. However, it wasn't essential reading to understand what had happened, nor to understand who Cole was. Masked Empire also set things up for DAI, although again it wasn't necessary to have read it. The Last Flight could also be significant if they do decide to introduce the griffons into the game, but equally they could leave them out because only those who have read the novel know of their discovery. The thing is, I don't think there was anything in any of the associated media where you would get to the game and think you had missed out on something important, like the reversal of something that occurred in game. The Mage/Templar war still happened, even if it was started somewhat differently in the book.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 10, 2022 15:32:56 GMT
I think it would have needed two episodes with more explanation and backstory. so it was action packed but very flat. I agree but 4 would be better. Episode 2 should be more about traveling and knowing the team but i don´t think the show that the budget do this.
About Hira if we are getting a season 2. Maybe this sounds cruel but sorry Hira doesn´t deserve a redemption arc or last hero sacrificing moment aka "i was wrong please forgive me". And Miriam also deserves much better then a betraying genocide loving maniac who i argue never really loved her in the first place. I know the show don´t have guts to do this and she is very likely getting I am so sorry ending but in my opinion they embrace Hira as villian. Jeez why not make into Red Lyrium Monster? It´s easier for Miriam to kill her.
And No i don´t this couple (regardless if its a lesbian or not) has a future. She should be killed like Rezaren before as Season 2 villian. Also Dorian should appear in short flashbacks with her. Because those two need to talk. Maybe Hira even needs a converation with Isabela.
Last but not least Justice for Fairbanks if have not survived somehow.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 10, 2022 15:40:45 GMT
in fact Hira is the first one Irian was a human mage to Vadis' elven fighter. I agree, though, it is not the mage that is the constant but the human/elf pairing. The reason there are so many elf rogues is that most of the elven combatants who aren't mages are rogues. That actually makes sense because elves aren't allowed any weapon bigger than a knife in the south, so it is natural they would incline towards being a rogue. Both Fenris and Vadis (who was a fighter) came from Tevinter, where slaves, whether elves or not, can be trained as warriors.
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Post by smilesja on Dec 10, 2022 16:05:28 GMT
Tassia would make a great Tevinter companion. Yeah, I've wanted a Tevinter Templar companion in Dreadwolf for aaaaaages and Tassia would be a perfect one - someone who genuinely tries to do her duty and oppose blood magic but is hampered by her own personal loyalties and Tevinter being, y'know, Tevinter. And she should keep the hammer . I do hope we get more of the Red Templars in the next game. I felt they were underdeveloped in DA:I, I haven't watched the series yet (though I'm hearing good things about it) but I've heard that the Red Templars are very involved in this series.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 10, 2022 16:13:30 GMT
Yeah, it was still a *** move since there was no guarantee that they would not at least be severely injured. And given the accuracy of her... perfect, of course... aim with arrows, she could have just mail-slotted those two templars at the gate. The actual enemies. Absolutely agree. Things like that while overall I’m positive towards her stop me from liking her. Though I don’t think killing Templars is something she’d do, even if simply it would hamper the mission. Even in Tevinter the original plan had them merely distracting guards not killing them. That was the impression I had too. Then she just straight up murders those guys in the basement and we get our first blood in the show. O.o
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Dec 10, 2022 16:18:49 GMT
I've heard that the Red Templars are very involved in this series. Very mild spoiler below, read at your own caution: The red templars are just seen at the very end and are barely involved in the plot at all.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 10, 2022 16:21:45 GMT
Yeah, I've wanted a Tevinter Templar companion in Dreadwolf for aaaaaages and Tassia would be a perfect one - someone who genuinely tries to do her duty and oppose blood magic but is hampered by her own personal loyalties and Tevinter being, y'know, Tevinter. And she should keep the hammer . I do hope we get more of the Red Templars in the next game. I felt they were underdeveloped in DA:I, I haven't watched the series yet (though I'm hearing good things about it) but I've heard that the Red Templars are very involved in this series. As said above they are only in the final scene of this season, but are set up to be involved in the second season or whatever will continue Absolution’s story.
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Post by fistoffiori on Dec 10, 2022 16:49:57 GMT
I binged episodes 2-6 today after watching 1 last night. I enjoyed, generally! Some thoughts: I'm not entirely sure on that ending, with Meredith alive. I thought that was a proper ending for her in DA2. I suppose it's tying into a possible season 2 rather than Dreadwolf.
Not sure about them killing Fairbanks either! Felt his story from Inquisition could carry on to Dreadwolf, he was housing refugees and could had been helping with escaped/freed slaves in Tevinter in DW. And didn't buy he was a traitor at all so was pleased with myself when it turned out Hira was the traitor.
I generally liked the new characters too. A great balanced party of heroes, thinking in game terms. Saw Roland/Lachlan a mile off, or at least got the impression Roland fancied him, even if not reciprocated. Gwydion is my favourite, and I wonder if the female Qunari from the companion concept art tease is her. I'd like to see her in DW. Wasn't happy that Miriam just let the elven girl be dragged off by the cook but guess she wasn't to break cover, even though she didn't know things were already going pear-shaped. Glad she came good and saved the girl in the end.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 10, 2022 16:50:20 GMT
The show reminds me so much of DA2 and it's not just the bouncy combat or the Kirkwall references. It's the cast. Miriam = Fenris Rogue Edition Saphira (Hira) = Anders-Vengeance if they hated Tevinter instead of the Chantry Tassia = Aveline (but less motherly and way more idealistic) Lacklon = Isabela Qwydion = mage Purple Hawke Rezaren = Orsino Fairbanks = Varric
Roland I'm not sure where he fits. He was a flirt with Lacklon, loyal to Miriam as best friend and a very competent fighter. Diplomatic Warrior Hawke?
One thing I liked is that they explained how Throwing Blades would work in real life and now I want capes in DAD.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 10, 2022 17:01:11 GMT
The show reminds me so much of DA2 and it's not just the bouncy combat or the Kirkwall references. It's the cast. Miriam = Fenris Rogue Edition Saphira (Hira) = Anders-Vengeance if they hated Tevinter instead of the Chantry Tassia = Aveline (but less motherly and way more idealistic) Lacklon = Isabela Qwydion = mage Purple Hawke Rezaren = Orsino Fairbanks = Varric
Roland I'm not sure where he fits. He was a flirt with Lacklon, loyal to Miriam as best friend and a very competent fighter. Diplomatic Warrior Hawke?
One thing I liked is that they explained how Throwing Blades would work in real life and now I want capes in DAD. Just without being a sociopath.
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