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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 10, 2022 17:01:49 GMT
I had a thought about Meredith being alive? What if it’s not actually Meredith but a Red Lyrium version of a Lyrium ghost?
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 10, 2022 17:07:53 GMT
I had a thought about Meredith being alive? What if it’s not actually Meredith but a Red Lyrium version of a Lyrium ghost? If this isn´t the real Meredith (her name is listed in the Credits) why bring Jean Gilpin back to voice a Red Lyrium Ghost? Also why do she did need a item to resurrect the dead? Sorry but i am pretty sure this is Meredith soul, spirit or remains in the red Lyrium. Regardless what it is Meredith lives.
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Post by saandrig on Dec 10, 2022 17:10:10 GMT
Timeline-wise, this seems to be set after Trespasser, but before (at least some of) the events in Tevinter Nights. I don't recall any mention of the Qunari attacking Tevinter in the series. Let me know if they did though! Trespasser ends with a slide that says the Qunari begin attacks on Tevinter. Or Tevinter Nights slides between Trespasser and those attacks?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 10, 2022 17:13:47 GMT
Favorite character is Tassia. If we can only have only character from this show appear in the games, hope it is her. Can’t help but appreciate a Lawful Good character that keeps to their morals and does what is right in a place full of corruption. Hope she doesn’t lose that in the future. I liked her too. I loved it when she said that people were more important than the artifact. Could see her being part of the Viper's group, which has Templars among them, and clearly wants to reform Tevinter rather than simply destroy it, and not just tinker with the Magisterium like the Lucerni. Out of the protagonists, favorite is easily Qwydion. A lot of what I love about Tassia she also has, seemingly a genuine good person. If we could have two appear ingame, she’s my second choice. Same here, I really warmed to her character. First choice in my case although it was a near run thing Miriam and Roland overall I’m positive towards, and am mixed with Lacklon (definitely didn’t help my opinion of the Lords of Fortune). Not a huge fan of how they killed guards just doing their job (though with the heist itself sounded like they wanted no blood spilled) or the collateral deaths from releasing the dragon though. Roland was okay but I'm could take or leave the rest of the group really.
I’m actually excited about the return of Meredith. She was a wonderfully fascinating character in DA2, and I hope they keep that and explore it further rather than just have her be cartoon evil. More of a sigh moment. Doesn't anyone in Thedas ever stay dead? Small side note, but yay moment cameo of Josephine! Glad to hear that the reason the Inquisition didn’t support Hira’s idea was because they didn’t want collateral damage of innocents. Good call too since her plan was genocide of Tevinter. If she didn’t have those feelings, wouldn’t be surprised if she was brought in to help Dorian bringing down Venatori remnants. Yes, I was overjoyed that the Inquisition rejected her ideas. Josephine would have been appalled but so would my Inquisitor. Wipe Tevinter off the map, the good as well as the bad! No thanks. I loved when she said that too. She is definitely part of one of those groups with what she said to Hira. As for Qwydion, overall she’s my first choice for fun but I think for DAD Tassia obviously would have a lot more potential since she’s from Tevinter and it’s going through a lot. Yeah the others I’m fine not seeing again after this show. With Meredith, I agree that the dead should stay dead but since she’s not I’m interested in seeing what they do with her. But as I said above, maybe it’s not Meredith but a Red Lyrium ghost of her. Yep. And same with my Inquisitor too.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 10, 2022 17:29:49 GMT
The show reminds me so much of DA2 and it's not just the bouncy combat or the Kirkwall references. It's the cast. Miriam = Fenris Rogue Edition Saphira (Hira) = Anders-Vengeance if they hated Tevinter instead of the Chantry Tassia = Aveline (but less motherly and way more idealistic) Lacklon = Isabela Qwydion = mage Purple Hawke Rezaren = Orsino Fairbanks = Varric
Roland I'm not sure where he fits. He was a flirt with Lacklon, loyal to Miriam as best friend and a very competent fighter. Diplomatic Warrior Hawke?
One thing I liked is that they explained how Throwing Blades would work in real life and now I want capes in DAD. Just without being a sociopath. I don't remember ever having a Purple Hawke who acts like sociopath, but I don't necessarily pick all the purple options.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Dec 10, 2022 17:33:56 GMT
Overall I thought it was good, not the best or the worst thing I ever seen. The writing was solid and the characters for the most part were likeable and the twists and turns worked for this very well for this story. Like I said BioWare and Netflix had me sold on this show with Margihead Scott as the showrunner and head writer and IMHO she delivered the goods. The qunari mage was my favorite character I hope we see more of her and the rest of the cast either in another season or in DAD.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 10, 2022 17:41:03 GMT
I had a thought about Meredith being alive? What if it’s not actually Meredith but a Red Lyrium version of a Lyrium ghost? Was having similar thoughts. Maybe people consumed enough by red lyrium can leave an imprint in it or something? I mean, its the blight, which is a hivemind. So theoretically an imprint in the red lyrium's consciousness one place could show up in a connected crystal cluster somewhere else. Might be how Cory "returns" too, if he does. Might also be why both she and Corypheus are in all red in that mural.
Would also explain how the Red Templars could have a secret base set up around her "body" without Kirkwall knowing. In TN, its made clear Aveline has guards posted around her corpse in the Gallows, at least post-trespasser. I mean, I'm still iffy on the red templars being in Kirkwall at all without their notice. But not having to actually move her body to set up their base would make it easier.
It just occurred to me, but Cullen is really not going to like this.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 10, 2022 17:48:11 GMT
I had a thought about Meredith being alive? What if it’s not actually Meredith but a Red Lyrium version of a Lyrium ghost? Leliana's lyrium ghost has no issue having a physical body. I think this is a case of Meredith's soul/spirit bring trapped in the (grown) Red Lyrium chunks that was the statue she turned into and I suspect she only started to express herself after the idol was removed. so she's a ghost now I guess, but she's not a copy of Meredith, she's the actual ghost of Meredith. Note that it make much differences.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 10, 2022 17:54:06 GMT
I had a thought about Meredith being alive? What if it’s not actually Meredith but a Red Lyrium version of a Lyrium ghost? Leliana's lyrium ghost has no issue having a physical body. I think this is a case of Meredith's soul/spirit bring trapped in the (grown) Red Lyrium chunks that was the statue she turned into and I suspect she only started to express herself after the idol was removed. so she's a ghost now I guess, but she's not a copy of Meredith, she's the actual ghost of Meredith. Note that it make much differences. This is possible, too.
I mean apparently real ghosts are really a confirmed thing now, at least for elves. Neb's soul was actually Neb's soul and had to come from somewhere. And he'd seemingly been dead no small amount of time.
If elven souls go into the Fade/Beyond when they die and then just stay there whole, as Neb's soul is, why isn't the Fade just full of elven souls? There must be some kind of repository in there holding them all and that was what the curriculum tapped in to.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 10, 2022 18:08:07 GMT
Leliana's lyrium ghost has no issue having a physical body. I think this is a case of Meredith's soul/spirit bring trapped in the (grown) Red Lyrium chunks that was the statue she turned into and I suspect she only started to express herself after the idol was removed. so she's a ghost now I guess, but she's not a copy of Meredith, she's the actual ghost of Meredith. Note that it make much differences. This is possible, too.
I mean apparently real ghosts are really a confirmed thing now. Neb's soul was actually Neb's soul and had to come from somewhere. And he'd seemingly been dead no small amount of time.
If elven souls go into the Fade/Beyond when they die and then just stay there whole, as Neb's soul is, why isn't the Fade just full of elven souls? There must be some kind of repository in there holding them all and that was what the curriculum tapped in to. Like a well of souls... Here lies the abyss, the well of all souls. From these emerald waters doth life begin anew. Come to me, child, and I shall embrace you. In my arms lies Eternity.Solas's personal quest in DAI has some more info on it. When a spirit dies, they go back to the well to be reborn later. Usually not quite as the same spirit, but some remember more than others. The Avvar's spirits worshiping is based on the same process as well.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 10, 2022 18:14:33 GMT
This is possible, too.
I mean apparently real ghosts are really a confirmed thing now. Neb's soul was actually Neb's soul and had to come from somewhere. And he'd seemingly been dead no small amount of time.
If elven souls go into the Fade/Beyond when they die and then just stay there whole, as Neb's soul is, why isn't the Fade just full of elven souls? There must be some kind of repository in there holding them all and that was what the curriculum tapped in to. Like a well of souls... Here lies the abyss, the well of all souls. From these emerald waters doth life begin anew. Come to me, child, and I shall embrace you. In my arms lies Eternity.Solas's personal quest in DAI has some more info on it. When a spirit dies, they go back to the well to be reborn later. Usually not quite as the same spirit, but some remember more than others. The Avvar's spirits worshiping is based on the same process as well. My assumption here is that: elves were originally spirits of the Fade. Due to that, they go to the Fade when they die and get dispersed and reborn in the same way Solas says Wisdom apparently will.
Which is why I'm surprised that Neb was still Neb and able to be retrieved.
Though the above does lend more weight to Falon'din being the God of the dead and ferrier of souls to the Beyond, if the dead actually maintain their personal selfs somehow. Like, the Beyond is a real afterlife like Hades or something maybe, not just another term for the Fade.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 10, 2022 18:25:58 GMT
Like a well of souls... Here lies the abyss, the well of all souls. From these emerald waters doth life begin anew. Come to me, child, and I shall embrace you. In my arms lies Eternity.Solas's personal quest in DAI has some more info on it. When a spirit dies, they go back to the well to be reborn later. Usually not quite as the same spirit, but some remember more than others. The Avvar's spirits worshiping is based on the same process as well. My assumption here is that: elves were originally spirits of the Fade. Due to that, they go to the Fade when they die and get dispersed and reborn in the same way Solas says Wisdom apparently will.
Which is why I'm surprised that Neb was still Neb and able to be retrieved.
Though the above does lend more weight to Falon'din being the God of the dead and ferrier of souls to the Beyond, if the dead actually maintain their personal selfs somehow. Like, the Beyond is a real afterlife like Hades or something maybe, not just another term for the Fade. I always had the impression the Beyond was a term of something beyond the Fade. I don't remember exactly why I think that thought. But I see it more like in Pillars of Eternity, with Lyrium acting like Adra: something that conduct souls from the physical world to the "beyond" and there is a big Lyrium blood pool somewhere where souls/spirits go bathing when they die (Solas mention seeing ripples on the water anyhow). How much the soul/spirit remembers is probably time/will based. Or maybe it's exactly like in PoE and it's just good old entropy. But yeah, the Ferrier of Souls to the Beyond might have been a real job at some point.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Dec 10, 2022 18:44:54 GMT
So, as for who I'd most like to see as a companion in DAD:
1. Qwydion - because she's a quanari mage (which we haven't had before), she's fun, and I like her moral spectrum 2. Tassia - refreshing with a templar with reformistic view and a good moral compass 3. Roland - he was just overall pleasant and I liked his spark 4. Rezaren - okay, obviously not happening, but I still can't help feel like this was a missed opportunity 5. Fairbanks - again not happening, but I really would have liked to see more of him... 6. Lachlan - he deviates a bit from the "typical" dwarf which is nice (without feeling like he's a Varric 2.0) 7. Miriam - she's alright, I'd prefer her to Sera for sure, but I think "elven rogue with a chip on her shoulder" should rest for this game 8. Hira - just no... she's waaay too fanatical, but who knows maybe she's redeemable?
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 10, 2022 18:54:04 GMT
So, as for who I'd most like to see as a companion in DAD:
2. I support this. 5. Why not? He can surived somehow. It´s way more believable than Rezaren. Also before his "dead" Hira was drinking a potion so why not something similiar? 8. There is nothing redeemable with Hira. She still wants a genocide and murder i guess millions of innocents on her way of "justice"?
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 10, 2022 18:57:18 GMT
I always had the impression the Beyond was a term of something beyond the Fade. I don't remember exactly why I think that thought. I feel it is okay to talk about this out in the open. According to WoT, which they have been known to change, the Beyond is just the elven term for the Fade. However, there is a passage in the Chant of Light: Hymns that uses the term instead of the Fade: " Though all before me is shadow, yet shall the Maker be my guide. I shall not be left to wander the drifting roads of the Beyond." That sounds like the Fade but why only in this isolated passage? Now the introduction to this section says that the passages within it may predate Andraste and reflect local pantheons and beliefs, so it could be from an elven prayer that an elf believer adapted after adopting the Maker. However, it does seem to suggest a belief that there is somewhere, perhaps in the depths of the Fade, to which souls can go on death but it is possible to get lost without guidance. The Dalish also believe that Fen'Harel stalks the Fade, ready to gobble up these unfortunate souls if they don't make it to the sanctuary. Now the accusation against Fen'Harel may be down to their general fear of him and the knowledge that he can indeed be encountered in the Fade but it would suggest they don't expect to find wandering souls in the main part of the Fade. They either find their way safely to the place of rest or something happens to them along the way. In their legend of Falon'Din and Dirthamen, it is the ravens (demons) of fear and deceit that can make a soul go astray. Since the Avvar believe in reincarnation, it seems the souls of Avvar must have a similar place of sanctuary from which they can return, seeing as we never encounter any human souls in the Fade either. In the comic series, the Silent Grove, which whilst not precisely canon is by former leader writer David Gaider, Yavana, a daughter of Flemeth, forced the spirit of a recently deceased Crow to give them information about his client by threatening to tie his spirit to his rotting corpse so it could not depart. Again, this seems to suggest that the spirit/soul of the deceased would normally depart for some other place.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 10, 2022 19:21:26 GMT
I can't find a video of it, but I swear I remember Justice in Awakening mention how the beings of the Fade think souls of people go somewhere beyond the Fade.
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Post by Kyros on Dec 10, 2022 19:55:53 GMT
I can't find a video of it, but I swear I remember Justice in Awakening mention how the beings of the Fade think souls of people go somewhere beyond the Fade. I think I found it? It's a dialogue that triggers when you bring him to the Dalish camp. Justice: Death. We spirits know no more of it than you do. What lies beyond is obscured, even to us.
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Post by legbamel on Dec 10, 2022 20:09:16 GMT
Overall, put me in the group that was most pleasantly surprised by the series. We binged the while thing last night and I enjoyed it a great deal. I liked Gwydion but I feel like either she shouldn't have been a Qunari or they should have included way more reactivity. She was so cute and non-threatening physically, outside of her height that she was more of a Nickelodeon cartoon Qunari. Why did no one react to her as representing the people with whom they've been more or less at war with for centuries? Why did none of the elves in that hallway know what a Qunari was? She was fun but it gave me concerns about how they will treat the Qunari moving forward. Are there supposed to be villages of happy-family Vashoth just going about their lives in Tevinter or Orlais or somewhere, never having heard of the Qun, that no one ever mentioned? I forgot to speculate. My optimistuc theory is that the gang will have to take a boat to Kirkwall, but since they're more or less on the run or at least trying to be inconspicuous, they'll end up on a certain pirate lady's vessel. Who knows the ways in and out of Kirkwall better, and who else probably enjoys a convenient blindness from the Viscount and the head of the guard?
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Post by azarhal on Dec 10, 2022 20:12:37 GMT
And with all this talk of souls I had totally forgotten about Eleni Zinovia. Her soul was bound to a statue by an Archon a long time ago and she still knew who she was during DAO. She never explained the process, but she clearly had to die to make it happen...
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 10, 2022 20:32:20 GMT
I can't find a video of it, but I swear I remember Justice in Awakening mention how the beings of the Fade think souls of people go somewhere beyond the Fade. I think I found it? It's a dialogue that triggers when you bring him to the Dalish camp. Justice: Death. We spirits know no more of it than you do. What lies beyond is obscured, even to us. That’s not the one I was thinking of (I think it’s during his conversation about faith) but that one works too.
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Post by TabithaTH on Dec 10, 2022 20:32:53 GMT
Re Fairbanks: What fooled me was, I took his ‘betrayal’ as either:
1) Someone pretending to be him, but not really him and this would be the big ‘Twist’ at the end.
2) The writers not knowing enough to represent the character properly. Not gonna lie, when that scene happened, my initial thought was how pissed the fans in this forum would be at the (both literal and figurative) character assasination.
What I would really love to know is how much was in the brief from Bioware and how much came from the pitch.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 10, 2022 20:34:14 GMT
Overall, put me in the group that was most pleasantly surprised by the series. We binged the while thing last night and I enjoyed it a great deal. I liked Gwydion but I feel like either she shouldn't have been a Qunari or they should have included way more reactivity. She was so cute and non-threatening physically, outside of her height that she was more of a Nickelodeon cartoon Qunari. Why did no one react to her as representing the people with whom they've been more or less at war with for centuries? Why did none of the elves in that hallway know what a Qunari was? She was fun but it gave me concerns about how they will treat the Qunari moving forward. Are there supposed to be villages of happy-family Vashoth just going about their lives in Tevinter or Orlais or somewhere, never having heard of the Qun, that no one ever mentioned? I forgot to speculate. My optimistuc theory is that the gang will have to take a boat to Kirkwall, but since they're more or less on the run or at least trying to be inconspicuous, they'll end up on a certain pirate lady's vessel. Who knows the ways in and out of Kirkwall better, and who else probably enjoys a convenient blindness from the Viscount and the head of the guard? I had a slight issue there too, but it was explained adequately by her being considered Fairbanks' "servant" I guess?
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Post by wickedcool on Dec 10, 2022 20:44:42 GMT
Was ok
Disappointed in a lot of things including obvious politics. I did like nods to certain things and intrigued on last scene
The different types of animation was a little jarring
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Post by phoray on Dec 10, 2022 20:48:48 GMT
Holy Fuck!! I've watched it all. Knight Commander Meredith's spirit/soul is in the red lyrium!!!!
!@#$#@%$#^%^%$#&^%&% Brain Blown! She was such a good villain.
And somehow Varric hasn't seen this happening in his own city? Is this why he's been driven out to not be viscount anymore? Has he lost the city to Red Lyrium Templars?
If this is the reason why Varric is rejoining us, I'm not as pissed about it, gotta say. And is this moment when Fairbanks knew Hira was the traitor because she so easily got through the magic barrier? Rez the Magister had given her the password to it. So that just confirmed to him she had to be dealt with on the spot. And there I was, doubting Fairbanks! Maybe the only the letdown, Lords of Fortune seem very glorified merc to me. I was hoping for more about that faction to be deeper. Like, the Crows have more honor/depth. I am glad that they didn't kill the dragon. and it was nice to see someone say out loud, "you know they just going to be terrorizing the countryside" "yep."
But more dragons, not less, yaaaa! And I want Tassia for DA:D, she should be a good choice.A Tevinter Templar who was saved the heartbreak of having to report and have Rez executed for blood magic. Do not want to romance her with that baggage, but she's a solid Sword/Board tank with strong morals.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 10, 2022 21:13:56 GMT
Holy Fuck!! I've watched it all. !@#$#@%$#^%^%$#&^%&% Brain Blown! She was such a good villain.
Only in her normal form. In her Red Lyrium form she is your typical comically villian. I mean her last line was that she wants to have her war.
Meredith is clearly hiding under Kirkwall. Even if she had taken over Kirkwall this won´t be for long because i don´t think she had many Red Templars left (not as near the numbers of Corypheus even if the mages were supported) and second won´t you think that all of Thedas including the Inquisition or what left of it would wipe them out? Even in this case he is still overused and creating a scenario where he does makes sense because he is only one who known all 3 villains before is still stupid and forced. I agree they sound pretty boring. Why title if can be called as merc or adventurer? I thought that was more a unique club or so. So yeah i still believe that we are playing as Lord of Fortune. First Tassia would be a great companion. I like it but maybe after Aveline and Cassandra it would be a little to much repetition. Also why not a romance? I mean years will pass since then so she can still mourn and make her peace. Like Cassandra before.
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