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Post by Absafraginlootly on Dec 10, 2022 23:30:56 GMT
Qwidyon's ability to move around Nessum would seem to confirm that vashoth slaves and servants aren't uncommon in Tevinter 3 centuries after the first invasion. Or atleast not so rare as to provoke comment. Eg. Her ability to enter the city and buy from shops because she's masquerading as Fairbanks servent.
Plus since the series seems to take part between Trespasser and Tevinter Nights the qunari invasion hasn't gotten very far yet, probably doesn't register as much more significant then the regular battleling between Tevinter and the qunari. Particularly to a town so far west and inland.
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Post by warden on Dec 11, 2022 0:03:58 GMT
Any Summarize? Not really interested in watching it.
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Post by theascendent on Dec 11, 2022 0:19:17 GMT
Yet another Mage betrayer/traitor. Everyone keep your eyes open when Dreadwolf comes around.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 11, 2022 0:24:30 GMT
Yet another Mage betrayer/traitor. Everyone keep your eyes open when Dreadwolf comes around. When Solas drops the veil, everyone will be a mage. Then we'll be doomed to paranoia.
Seriously, though. We've had Blackwall(kinda). And Bull if you choose wrong. And Isabela. Its not *always* a mage. Its just that there always *is* a mage. lol
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 11, 2022 0:28:55 GMT
Yet another Mage betrayer/traitor. Everyone keep your eyes open when Dreadwolf comes around. Time to update the list:
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Post by Kyros on Dec 11, 2022 0:44:44 GMT
Qwidyon's ability to move around Nessum would seem to confirm that vashoth slaves and servants aren't uncommon in Tevinter 3 centuries after the first invasion. Or atleast not so rare as to provoke comment. Eg. Her ability to enter the city and buy from shops because she's masquerading as Fairbanks servent.
Plus since the series seems to take part between Trespasser and Tevinter Nights the qunari invasion hasn't gotten very far yet, probably doesn't register as much more significant then the regular battleling between Tevinter and the qunari. Particularly to a town so far west and inland. I don't think it matters that she's a vashoth. As Dorian puts it, Tevinters can somewhat make the distinction between a Qunari and a Tal-Vashoth (and I assume this extends to Vashoths). The issue is as Dorian told a Qunari Inquisitor, is that it doesn't mean that Tal-Vashoth or Vashoths are exempt from the prejudice that exist in Tevinter against Qunari. Let's be real, the writers either forgot or they just wanted to focus all the racism on Miriam since she's the main character which I think was a mistake. It should've been a 50/50 split between her and Qwidyon.
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Post by phoray on Dec 11, 2022 0:46:00 GMT
Yet another Mage betrayer/traitor. Everyone keep your eyes open when Dreadwolf comes around. When Solas drops the veil, everyone will be a mage. Then we'll be doomed to paranoia.
Seriously, though. We've had Blackwall(kinda). And Bull if you choose wrong. And Isabela. Its not *always* a mage. Its just that there always *is* a mage. lol If Tassia joins the party in DA:D, it good be an Iron Bull Chargers/vs Qun thing. If you veer off too much from Tevinter aligned goals, she'd be willing to off you. Let's be real, the writers either forgot or they just wanted to focus all the racism on Miriam since she's the main character which I think was a mistake. It should've been a 50/50 split between her and Qwidyon. And Miriam has the mark on her face that was clearly seen when they looked under her hood. I almost feel like they just made up the anti elf sentiment to get a bribe at the gate.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 11, 2022 0:51:43 GMT
Qwidyon's ability to move around Nessum would seem to confirm that vashoth slaves and servants aren't uncommon in Tevinter 3 centuries after the first invasion. Or atleast not so rare as to provoke comment. Eg. Her ability to enter the city and buy from shops because she's masquerading as Fairbanks servent.
Plus since the series seems to take part between Trespasser and Tevinter Nights the qunari invasion hasn't gotten very far yet, probably doesn't register as much more significant then the regular battleling between Tevinter and the qunari. Particularly to a town so far west and inland. I don't think it matters that she's a vashoth. As Dorian puts it, Tevinters can somewhat make the distinction between a Qunari and a Tal-Vashoth (and I assume this extends to Vashoths). The issue is as Dorian told a Qunari Inquisitor, is that it doesn't mean that Tal-Vashoth or Vashoths are exempt from the prejudice that exist in Tevinter against Qunari. Let's be real, the writers either forgot or they just wanted to focus all the racism on Miriam since she's the main character which I think was a mistake. It should've been a 50/50 split between her and Qwidyon. To be honest, other than a couple occasions there wasn’t even much racism towards Miriam. They did enough to establish that’s the norm, then just focused on other things (probably since it’s a miniseries so they only had so much time). Most of the abuse she gets isn’t because she’s an elf but because she’s a slave. Did laugh a little at how the rescued slaves were among the most discriminatory(unintentionally) to Qwydion. “Giantess! Giantess!” “Okay, that’s a little offensive, but you’re welcome.”
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 11, 2022 1:02:03 GMT
So I finally got around to watching it, in general I liked it. I was right, it isn’t on the level of Arcane or Edgerunners by any means, but it was pretty fun. The attention to the lore was pretty solid throughout. As to the final twist reveal… I have to say, the return of Meredith Stannard as a talking chunk of Red Lyrium was not on my bingo card for this, or within a country mile of it.
I don’t hate the idea though. I suspect the “Crimson Knight” only became active recently, perhaps after Solas’ agent extracted the idol from her body. While it may be referenced in Dreadwolf, I suspect this will be a show only antagonist. I also suspect the Circulum will be destroyed and no longer on the board soon, so I’m not too worried about resurrection becoming a thing in Thedas.
The red Templars themselves didn’t look too great, so I hope that improves.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Dec 11, 2022 1:05:17 GMT
When Solas drops the veil, everyone will be a mage. Then we'll be doomed to paranoia.
Seriously, though. We've had Blackwall(kinda). And Bull if you choose wrong. And Isabela. Its not *always* a mage. Its just that there always *is* a mage. lol If Tassia joins the party in DA:D, it good be an Iron Bull Chargers/vs Qun thing. If you veer off too much from Tevinter aligned goals, she'd be willing to off you. Let's be real, the writers either forgot or they just wanted to focus all the racism on Miriam since she's the main character which I think was a mistake. It should've been a 50/50 split between her and Qwidyon. And Miriam has the mark on her face that was clearly seen when they looked under her hood. I almost feel like they just made up the anti elf sentiment to get a bribe at the gate. Miriams mark is still covered in make up at the gate, she doesn't reveal it until after the bar fight when she decides she has to go in.
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Post by smilesja on Dec 11, 2022 1:06:30 GMT
So I finally got around to watching it, in general I liked it. I was right, it isn’t on the level of Arcane or Edgerunners by any means, but it was pretty fun. The attention to the lore was pretty solid throughout. Don't mean no offense though.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Dec 11, 2022 2:37:55 GMT
Wow, I actually really enjoyed that! I was very skeptical going in but it was fun, felt very Dragon Age-y, and had a couple interesting twists.
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Post by phoray on Dec 11, 2022 2:38:56 GMT
First Tassia would be a great companion. I like it but maybe after Aveline and Cassandra it would be a little to much repetition. Also why not a romance? I mean years will pass since then so she can still mourn and make her peace. Like Cassandra before. Aveline felt responsible for Kirkwall, and her morals twisted a little bit under the conflicting priorities. She was more devoted to order, than any other belief system. Tassia would wield a hammer, not a sword, and devoted to the people of Tevinter. Doesn't seem that committed to the Maker, so nothing like Cassandra the "Have you thought about worshipping the Maker today?" Pentaghast. What you going to say next, not another warrior dwarf? Not another rogue elf? like, there are 4 species and 3 classes, eventually all of them will play out.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Dec 11, 2022 2:52:18 GMT
What an incredible show, I’m impressed how they pulled it off in 6 episodes. The work was put in and it was well executed. If there is a season 2, it deserves a bigger budget and longer season. Excellent, excellent characters and exciting, heart-pounding moments. Episode two had me on the edge of my seat.
I really wanted Miriam to fuck Hira up at the end but if anything, I was very impressed by her character development. That last episode made me fall in love with her character. Anyway, If Miriam doesn’t fuck her up, please let our new protagonist do so. What she did was bullshit and I felt more betrayed than when Solas broke my Lavellan’s heart lol. She’s NEVER going to learn, if her behavior in Absolution is to judge by.
About Meredith - she’s dead, she’s been dead since she consumed Red Lyrium. If you succumb to Red Lyrium’s influence, you become its thrall. Whatever was speaking through that giant red lyrium crystal sounded like Meredith, and it evidently had to have carried her persona - but I personally believe the end goal of snagging that Circulum thingy had nothing to do with what “Meredith” truly wanted but what the whispers behind Red Lyrium wanted. br] The voices behind red lyrium wants that artifact, not Meredith, is essentially my point.
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Post by NotN7 on Dec 11, 2022 4:50:38 GMT
Yet another Mage betrayer/traitor. Everyone keep your eyes open when Dreadwolf comes around. When Solas drops the veil, everyone will be a mage. Then we'll be doomed to paranoia.
Seriously, though. We've had Blackwall(kinda). And Bull if you choose wrong. And Isabela. Its not *always* a mage. Its just that there always *is* a mage. lol Speaking of Isabela could she be the contact in Kirkwall in the Hanged Man bar? after she did hang out a lot there. (Sorry for some reason can't get the spoiler to work)
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Post by bshep on Dec 11, 2022 5:44:18 GMT
Really liked it. What the hell Hira, why would you help crazier red-lyrium Meredith? This is not a enemy of my enemy type of situation. Even worse when you literally still had Miriam's love until you threw it all away for revenge. Qwydion is super cute. Really great series. But now i am left wondering if this will be some sort of prelude for one of the DA Dreadwolf's storylines or if we will get another season. Also why is no one aware Meredith turned into a crazy talking red lyrium? Isn't Aveline still captain of the guard in Kirkwall? ANd Varrik is supposed to be a Viscount, how he also missed that? So many questions for next season or for DA:Dreadwolf.
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Post by necrowaif on Dec 11, 2022 5:51:11 GMT
Just finished Episode 3. Is it a bad sign that I like the Tevinter characters more than the band of thieves that are supposed to be the protagonists? They’re just so painfully generic, and their dialogue is grating.
The fight scenes are well-done, but a lot of the battles are superfluous.
Lore-wise, it feels like the showrunners did some research, but it feels like there are big gaps in their knowledge.
Anyways, it’s shaping up to be a 6/10. It’s not terrible, but it’s definitely no Arcane. Let’s see if the last three episodes change my mind.
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Post by smilesja on Dec 11, 2022 6:02:12 GMT
Anyways, it’s shaping up to be a 6/10. It’s not terrible, but it’s definitely no Arcane. Let’s see if the last three episodes change my mind.
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Post by bshep on Dec 11, 2022 6:10:06 GMT
Qwidyon's ability to move around Nessum would seem to confirm that vashoth slaves and servants aren't uncommon in Tevinter 3 centuries after the first invasion. Or atleast not so rare as to provoke comment. Eg. Her ability to enter the city and buy from shops because she's masquerading as Fairbanks servent.
Plus since the series seems to take part between Trespasser and Tevinter Nights the qunari invasion hasn't gotten very far yet, probably doesn't register as much more significant then the regular battleling between Tevinter and the qunari. Particularly to a town so far west and inland. Well the Qunari have been at war with Tevinter for centuries. It is likely that some of the captured qunari got turned into slaves. Specially the younger ones who could be molded into whatever role Tevinter society required of them and later used to breed even more slaves, all that away from the influence of the Qun.
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Post by necrowaif on Dec 11, 2022 6:53:54 GMT
Well, thank God that was over. Having watched all six episodes, I’m revising my final score to be a 3/10. That was poorly-written, not particularly well-acted and extremely dubious from a lore perspective. I was actively hoping for the show to be over with near the end. I hung in there solely for the Crimson Solider reveal. Anyways, it’s shaping up to be a 6/10. It’s not terrible, but it’s definitely no Arcane. Let’s see if the last three episodes change my mind. *snip* Well, let me put it this way: Arcane garnered enough positive buzz to gain an audience beyond LoL fans. It was a no-brainer that Netflix would bring it back for a second season. Absolution, which at best was average, isn’t going to make a ripple beyond the DA fanbase and is not going to be renewed by Netflix. If you liked the characters, don’t expect to see them again.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 11, 2022 8:11:35 GMT
When Solas drops the veil, everyone will be a mage. Then we'll be doomed to paranoia.
Seriously, though. We've had Blackwall(kinda). And Bull if you choose wrong. And Isabela. Its not *always* a mage. Its just that there always *is* a mage. lol Speaking of Isabela could she be the contact in Kirkwall in the Hanged Man bar? after she did hang out a lot there. (Sorry for some reason can't get the spoiler to work) Unless Isabela joined the Red Templars, she isn’t the contact. The Kirkwall contact was Mira’s ally. The contact Fairbanks wanted the group to go to is in Orlais so someone from the Inquisition there.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 11, 2022 8:20:52 GMT
Overall, put me in the group that was most pleasantly surprised by the series. We binged the while thing last night and I enjoyed it a great deal. Why did none of the elves in that hallway know what a Qunari was? That is more easily explained. Most slaves would remain located in one place their entire lives, unless personal servants of a family member who might travel with them. These slaves were serving in the Summer Palace of the Black Divine and probably always had. It was located in Nessum, on the west side of Tevinter, not far from the Nevarra border. I don't think the Qunari have ever got that far, even in the Steel/Storm Age. So, even if the slaves had heard people mention about Qunari attacking the eastern seaboard, they would have no idea what they actually looked like. Since Qwydion defended them and seemed so friendly, they wouldn't necessarily make the connection even if they had been told that Qunari were grey giants.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 11, 2022 8:31:52 GMT
Cuthbertbucket: First Tassia would be a great companion. I like it but maybe after Aveline and Cassandra it would be a little to much repetition. Also why not a romance? I mean years will pass since then so she can still mourn and make her peace. Like Cassandra before. Whilst I agree that it shouldn't prevent a romance, that would simply be a repetition of Cassandra's backstory, with only the slight variance that Tassia's love become corrupted by blood magic, whilst Cassandra's was blown up at the Conclave. However, it would still be dealing with loss and bereavement. Actually, that was the same with Aveline. So, three warrior ladies in a row who lost the love of their life through violence seems a bit much. Other than that, I do think Tassia would make for a great companion and definitely wouldn't mind her turning up in DA:D. I think she could be associated with the Viper's group because of what she said to Hira and the events of Absolution would only likely confirm in her the necessity for change. So, that would broadly align with how my PC would likely view things too. The Lucerni are a start but they do seem to more about eliminating corruption among the elite but maintaining the status quo, rather than wholesale reform of the system.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 11, 2022 8:41:31 GMT
Count me as remaining a forever fan of Fenris, but not loving Miriam. I always have to question whether I'm biased. Do I dislike Miriam because she's female, and I'm not attracted to her? Is it just that she doesn't have the voice of Gideon Emery? I think we could spend ages analysing their various differences to account for why Fenris seems to appeal more than Miriam does. Miriam did start to rise in my opinion towards the end. Just, so long as she doesn't end up forgiving her former lover down the line.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 11, 2022 8:45:32 GMT
Count me as remaining a forever fan of Fenris, but not loving Miriam. I always have to question whether I'm biased. Do I dislike Miriam because she's female, and I'm not attracted to her? Is it just that she doesn't have the voice of Gideon Emery? I think we could spend ages analysing their various differences to account for why Fenris seems to appeal more than Miriam does. Miriam did start to rise in my opinion towards the end. Just, so long as she doesn't end up forgiving her former lover down the line. Miriam appeals to me far more than Fenris ever did. Just to add a data point for this analysis.
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