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Post by cmdrshep2183 on Sept 23, 2022 22:43:30 GMT
Many people here don't like that idea since their journey was so personal to them but I think if this universe was introduced to a wider mainstream audience it could inspire more people to support space programs and it could get people into the sci fi genre and even inspire some to create their own sci fi. Perhaps a show on Apple TV is already having that kind of effect. Before 2020 I did not care what the space program was doing but after checking out Apple TV during the quarantine of 2020 out of boredom and curiosity I became more knowledgeable about NASA and more excited for the next age of space exploration.
Could Mass Effect reaching a larger audience be a good thing for society?
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Post by Cyberstrike on Sept 24, 2022 14:30:29 GMT
There are (or were I can't keep up with Hollywood anymore) rumors that Amazon is or was wanting to do a live action Mass Effect and/or a Dragon Age TV show.
The sad truth is that for all the promos about exploration in the Mass Effect Trilogy, the games aren't really about exploration (oh they are lines of dialogues and the codex entries on the various planets you scan but that is about it) but at the core of the MET it's a sci-fi war story and that any exploration is done through the lens of how to defeat the Reapers. I mean that is the only major plot in ME3 is to win the war against the Reapers. A lot of it's "real" science is about as real as Star Wars, Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica, Babylon 5, and every other sci-fi franchise in other words not real or the very least not practical or is just theory.
As to your last question: It could but not overnight. Now can it some small way inspire people to reach for the stars by getting into STEAM, supporting space programs or just being better people? Maybe/yes.
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Post by dragontartare on Sept 25, 2022 6:56:15 GMT
Many people here don't like that idea since their journey was so personal to them That's only a problem if they try to do a show about Shepard. That would be a horrible idea. I think a show about the First Contact War and aftermath could be fun, provided it is done well (obviously). Some canon already exists, but there is still plenty of space for the show to tell its own stories. How cool would it be to watch some humans seeing the Citadel for the first time? But would it really inspire people to care more about space exploration? I dunno, probably not to any significant degree. The JWST is probably doing more good in that regard.
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Post by trinity0 on Sept 25, 2022 13:42:07 GMT
Amazon will do the same thing they have done with Ring of Powwer. A TV Show that has the name Mass Effect in it, but has nothing to do with the actual Lore of Mass Effect
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Post by Cyberstrike on Sept 25, 2022 18:36:21 GMT
Amazon will do the same thing they have done with Ring of Powwer. A TV Show that has the name Mass Effect in it, but has nothing to do with the actual Lore of Mass Effect
So what? I got news for you: the actual lore for LotR and ME is bullshit anyway there are no such things as elves and dragons just like there are no mass effect relays and element zero. Stop taking the lore so seriously and trust me you'll find a lot more enjoyment in media. If you want to make lore and continuity the only things that matter then you can just read Wikipedia.
Because the mass audience doesn't give a shit about lore and continuity. They want a story that has cool characters that they can emotional relate too, not sit and wonder why so so is black, or how the engines work of fictional space ship.
The lore and continuity the least important thing that I care about and shows that roll around in that shit all suck.
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Post by andydandymandy on Sept 25, 2022 19:45:06 GMT
I wouldn't mind Shepard being in a Mass Effect TV show. A Mass Effect TV show does not have to be in the same continuity as the games or the various tie-in media (like comics or novels). It would not take away from my personal experience playing and replaying the games, because the games are their own thing and a TV show or a movie could never capture what makes that special anyway, and a show/movie should be its own thing and be aimed at a bigger audience than just people who've already played the games (which would be a limited audience).
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Post by Cyberstrike on Sept 25, 2022 22:15:12 GMT
I wouldn't mind Shepard being in a Mass Effect TV show. A Mass Effect TV show does not have to be in the same continuity as the games or the various tie-in media (like comics or novels). It would not take away from my personal experience playing and replaying the games, because the games are their own thing and a TV show or a movie could never capture what makes that special anyway, and a show/movie should be its own thing and be aimed at a bigger audience than just people who've already played the games (which would be a limited audience).
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Post by ahglock on Sept 25, 2022 22:29:05 GMT
No, that always makes things worse.
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Post by hulluliini on Sept 26, 2022 8:18:49 GMT
I thought Disney's spin-off Star Wars shows work great because they focus on side characters. I could see that working for ME too. But Mass Effect having a broader effect on society would be reaching. If someone isn't already a scifi fan or interested in space exploration, I mean naturally, from childhood, they rarely grow to appreciate it no matter what you show them. We're just built differently. I have a friend who isn't interested in history or scifi, she's completely living in the present day. I can't imagine living like that but neither can she imagine why I would find old historical buildings or space exploration fascinating.
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Post by trinity0 on Sept 26, 2022 11:55:42 GMT
Amazon will do the same thing they have done with Ring of Powwer. A TV Show that has the name Mass Effect in it, but has nothing to do with the actual Lore of Mass Effect
So what? I got news for you: the actual lore for LotR and ME is bullshit anyway there are no such things as elves and dragons just like there are no mass effect relays and element zero. Stop taking the lore so seriously and trust me you'll find a lot more enjoyment in media. If you want to make lore and continuity the only things that matter then you can just read Wikipedia.
Because the mass audience doesn't give a shit about lore and continuity. They want a story that has cool characters that they can emotional relate too, not sit and wonder why so so is black, or how the engines work of fictional space ship.
The lore and continuity the least important thing that I care about and shows that roll around in that shit all suck.
But why call it Mass Effect when they totally ignore the lore. They can create there own space saga instead.
Or in the case of Lord of the Rings. They could have spared the money to buy the right of the name and could have created there own Fantasy Universe
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Thread re-opened.
A post was removed for containing a number of personal attacks.
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Post by helios969 on Sept 28, 2022 7:22:05 GMT
My feeling is sure, why not? Such things are not geared toward the fanbase anyways. The Witcher, Game of Thrones, Wheel of Time, and the new LOTR's deviate quite a bit from source material but have been successful to one extent or another. Yeah, some of the fans piss and moan but hey, that's what fans do. Movie and TV adaptations are for non-fans that are actually hyped up by the base. Personally I separate myself from the books (or games) and just enjoy (or not) the production as presented. If someone did a Shepard adaptation I'd just view it as their take on events. I'm good with that.
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Oct 3, 2022 4:14:48 GMT
The ME TV show doesn't need to be a Shepard story, to be honest. Large of what makes the game special are the choices and that freedom of Renegade/Paragon. Plus, by 2183, the lore is kinda established already, which would make some things hard to follow.
Go back in time. Explore the First Contact War, because you need to have an human element to connect to the audience, and that human element that has no idea what the consequences of opening a Relay, the Turians, or even galaxy-wide politics is the best way to go because the new folks would be like that. Make a prologue (15 min or so) about them discovering the Prothean ruins on Mars and the Element Zero which eventually led them to the Charon Relay and there's your context on the whole space race and humanity forming the Systems Alliance. You could even include a crawl, since ME is no stranger in doing so.
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Post by hulluliini on Oct 3, 2022 8:15:46 GMT
The ME TV show doesn't need to be a Shepard story, to be honest. Large of what makes the game special are the choices and that freedom of Renegade/Paragon. Plus, by 2183, the lore is kinda established already, which would make some things hard to follow. Go back in time. Explore the First Contact War, because you need to have an human element to connect to the audience, and that human element that has no idea what the consequences of opening a Relay, the Turians, or even galaxy-wide politics is the best way to go because the new folks would be like that. Make a prologue (15 min or so) about them discovering the Prothean ruins on Mars and the Element Zero which eventually led them to the Charon Relay and there's your context on the whole space race and humanity forming the Systems Alliance. You could even include a crawl, since ME is no stranger in doing so. I would go slower and give a lot of screen time to finding the Prothean ruins first. It would be like any scifi show basically, no need to know any lore beforehand. It's always problematic for wider audiences if there is any vital lore reviewed too quickly in the beginning.
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Post by skekSil on Oct 4, 2022 15:50:28 GMT
Wasn't there a Mass Effect cartoon or something like that?
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Post by AnDromedary on Oct 4, 2022 20:25:54 GMT
If you are asking about a show, that actually covers the events of the game, than my answer is: Please don't! The games tell this story in an audio-visual form already. They are pretty dam perfect and I don't need it to be re-told with different actors and voices (and without the choices). If you are suggesting a live action show, set in the ME universe but doing its own thing, than my answer is: Yes, please!!! I already made a post back in the day, on how I'd want such a show to look like. But it's just one of many possible ideas of what could be done.
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Post by ClarkKent on Oct 5, 2022 13:22:55 GMT
I'm sure EA and Bioware would love a larger following. It already has a huge one but not every franchise can be a Game of Thrones or a Lord of the Rings. You really have to catch lightning in a bottle for that.
The first focus should be gaining back the fans lost.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2022 15:27:22 GMT
Amazon will do the same thing they have done with Ring of Powwer. A TV Show that has the name Mass Effect in it, but has nothing to do with the actual Lore of Mass Effect
So what? I got news for you: the actual lore for LotR and ME is bullshit Ok, this is certainly an opinion. Not sure it is shared by many people, maybe just the two that liked this post. All fantasy is "bullshit", in that it is a made-up story. Calling the lore of LotR bullshit is a pretty massive claim that I frankly can only laugh at, so I'll leave that alone. ME lore is not perfect, and there are inconsistencies, but I feel it is good enough for what it is. Those are my opinions on this opinion. This is your opinion, and you are generalizing it assuming that many people, even most, agree with you. I think you are wrong, very wrong, but again... That's an opinion. This is your truth! Speak it! I completely disagree with your entire post, but that's ok right?
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This video sums up a lot of my feelings about canon and lore.
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This video sums up a lot of my feelings about canon and lore. The guy that insists Captain Pike must end up in a wheelchair, but also thinks canon is dumb. Houston? Are you there?
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(Snip) This video sums up a lot of my feelings about canon and lore. The guy that insists Captain Pike must end up in a wheelchair, but also thinks canon is dumb. Houston? Are you there? I watched the entire video and although I can see where he's coming from, I completely disagree with the thought that Canon/Lore is of only subordinate value. If anything I'd argue it is the universe (I.E. the canon) that keeps existing fans commited to the franchise. His line of thought that we should only look at the isolated merit of a specific product is wrong and quite frankly cadaverous. It's very detached and fatalistic way of consuming entertainment, and certainly not the way I enjoyed the Mass Effect trilogy, for instance.
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The guy that insists Captain Pike must end up in a wheelchair, but also thinks canon is dumb. Houston? Are you there? I watched the entire video and although I can see where he's coming from, I completely disagree with the thought that Canon/Lore is of only subordinate value. If anything I'd argue it is the universe (I.E. the canon) that keeps existing fans commited to the franchise. His line of thought that we should only look at the isolated merit of a specific product is wrong and quite frankly cadaverous. It's very detached and fatalistic way of consuming entertainment, and certainly not the way I enjoyed the Mass Effect trilogy, for instance. I went down a bit of a rabbit hole on this guy, and he is a walking bag of contradictions. Is an Atheist, which I also am, which put me off initially because I expect more honest argumentation from an atheist. His position, from what I gathered listening to him go on and on making windy long-winded thoughts, was that canon doesn't matter to him unless it is really important to him, and then that should be important to you too and is beyond canon in importance. You should feel like he feels, because he's so reasonable and thoughtful. I need a shower. Read up on the guy, not a lot of class with Steve.
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The guy that insists Captain Pike must end up in a wheelchair, but also thinks canon is dumb. Houston? Are you there? I watched the entire video and although I can see where he's coming from, I completely disagree with the thought that Canon/Lore is of only subordinate value. If anything I'd argue it is the universe (I.E. the canon) that keeps existing fans commited to the franchise. His line of thought that we should only look at the isolated merit of a specific product is wrong and quite frankly cadaverous. It's very detached and fatalistic way of consuming entertainment, and certainly not the way I enjoyed the Mass Effect trilogy, for instance.
It's called an ending to a character's arc something that some people have trouble accepting that some characters have a tragic ending, regardless of how I feel about the endings to ME3 to me Shepard's story has ended. Like Captain Pike's fate is seemingly locked in for Star Trek: Strange New Worlds so he can't escape it, but there always a work around.
Lore also limits creativity, if they have to be constantly shackled to lore and makes it harder for new fans to get into a franchise. The Transformers is my favorite franchise and guess what? I hate those god-awful Micheal Bay movies, but I don't constantly rant about it, make five hours long YouTube videos to rant and rave about how "Bay ruined my childhood." bullshit, and so on. I know many people that was how they got introduced to the franchise and I got one of the best TF TV shows Transformers: Prime that was IMHO best shows because it had a lot new and exciting and different takes on lore of The Transformers.
I'm watching the 2004 reboot version Battlestar Galactica and while I do love the original series it's a better show because it's a different and exciting take than the original lore and expanded lore. I didn't care that the Klingons in the original Star Trek series don't look like they do in the movies, and the rest of the series. I didn't give a shit when they finally wasted 2 episodes of Enterprise to explain that crap just like I don't give a shit that the Spock and others have seen and fought the Gorn in Star Trek: Strange New Worlds and yet Spock seems to forget in TOS. I get a great new take on a classic alien race and great new stories in Star Trek Universe. I want good stories with characters that I can relate too emotionally.
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Post by AnDromedary on Oct 12, 2022 19:30:51 GMT
If you are making a reboot or a re-imagining or whatever, sure, go nuts. As fr as I am concerned, this is akin to creating a new IP anyway. But within that new version, stay consistent.
In general if you are making something that is supposed to belong into a universe that is already established, you better adhere to what is already established. Otherwise, the whole point of being in that universe becomes irrelevant. Consistency in a fictional universe, no matter which genre, is IMO the cornerstone of good story telling.
The inner consistency of reality (as Tolkien called it) is an important part of story telling, especially in scenarios which are rather far removed from our own reality (such as fantasy or scifi). Those universes already require a certain amount of suspension of disbelief but at least by keeping the inner consistency as intact as possible you allow the audience/readers to trust in the logic of the events you are telling a story about. If you loose that trust, your audience may come to expect just anything to happen anyway and that makes any kind of suspense so much more difficult to achieve. If anything can happen at any time, nothing really means much, does it?
That's why I think that within a fictional universe, respect of canon is a very high priority. As much as I love its characters and story arcs, my greatest point of criticism of the Mass Effect franchise is that starting with ME2, they weren't respectful to their own established lore at all.
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This is all way too personal. This is not a discussion or an argument, when it is filled with "I" statements and feelings.
Lore "limits" creativity... Sure it does, you have parameters to adhere to. Some of these parameters are harder than others, and can be worked with. Others are pivotal underpinnings that support the whole structure, and without the house of cards collapses. Lore also creates the opportunity for creativity - first, without the lore the world doesn't exist. Second, by having a framework to look at, you can see what's missing, find opportunities for new storytelling within the horrible confines of this lorecage. You can free yourself from the cage, and still be right in the middle of it (KotOR2:TSL) and tell a brilliant story as the result.
Suspension of Disbelief. It is kind of a crucial part of fiction writing, and whether it is achieved or not will dictate whether a work of fiction will gain Mass Effect, or straight to the shitter.
I fully expected Shepard to die for real in ME3. I also expected a triumph in the face of that defeat. This broken drum still beats, people thinking that what really upset people was Shepard dying. Speaking for myself, that was never the case, I just wanted a better death that brought closure. That ship never left the dock.
This thread, I have determined, is bait.
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