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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Feb 16, 2023 3:41:59 GMT
He's got a couple of new scars as well... I wonder if this will be Varric's new look in DA:D? I hope so, because I am here for it . Blackwall had that touch of grey in his hair in the concept art but I guess they couldn't get it to work in game; here's hoping a decade has advanced BioWare's hair technology at least that far.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 16, 2023 3:52:39 GMT
He's got a couple of new scars as well... I wonder if this will be Varric's new look in DA:D? I hope so, because I am here for it . Blackwall had that touch of grey in his hair in the concept art but I guess they couldn't get it to work in game; here's hoping a decade has advanced BioWare's hair technology at least that far. I'm also kind of wanting this for a CC. Maybe have my character have a touch of gray in his beard.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 16, 2023 8:41:50 GMT
It suits the character quite a lot and I like it when writers/artists aren't afraid to make their characters visibly age. Let's face it, some of us fans have also visibly aged since DAI. Considering the time skip is pretty much the same in game as it has been in real life, it seems only right characters like Varric should have aged along with us . Each issue of The Missing has a different artist listed; only the writer, colourist and cover artist stay the same. I find this odd. Is it usual to change the artist between issues in comic series? I can understand using a different cover artist (which they haven't) but changing the artist seems to have resulted in a lack of continuity in the design of the characters. Varric hasn't just aged in the short time since issue 1 but he looks completely different from the way he was depicted there, and on the front cover of issue 1 for that matter. His hair is still the same as it has always been on cover 1 and yet within issue 2 it has completely changed colour. Where did he suddenly acquire those scars on his right cheek? The same comment applies to Harding. Her hair colour is the same and the hairstyle is similar but it has changed, not to mention she looks nothing like the character on the cover of issue 2, which I've always maintained looked nothing like the Harding we know. So, is that person not Harding but someone else entirely? I await the full release with interest. For the record, this is Varric by the same artist in Knight Errant:
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Post by puddingtheruthless on Feb 16, 2023 9:11:31 GMT
It suits the character quite a lot and I like it when writers/artists aren't afraid to make their characters visibly age. Let's face it, some of us fans have also visibly aged since DAI. Considering the time skip is pretty much the same in game as it has been in real life, it seems only right characters like Varric should have aged along with us . Each issue of The Missing has a different artist listed; only the writer, colourist and cover artist stay the same. I find this odd. Is it usual to change the artist between issues in comic series? I can understand using a different cover artist (which they haven't) but changing the artist seems to have resulted in a lack of continuity in the design of the characters. Varric hasn't just aged in the short time since issue 1 but he looks completely different from the way he was depicted there, and on the front cover of issue 1 for that matter. His hair is still the same as it has always been on cover 1 and yet within issue 2 it has completely changed colour. Where did he suddenly acquire those scars on his right cheek? The same comment applies to Harding. Her hair colour is the same and the hairstyle is similar but it has changed, not to mention she looks nothing like the character on the cover of issue 2, which I've always maintained looked nothing like the Harding we know. So, is that person not Harding but someone else entirely? I await the full release with interest. For the record, this is Varric by the same artist in Knight Errant: Theory: could be the developers has finished an updated design for Varric in the new game, so his design in the comics has changed to bring it up to date with how he is going to look when/if he appears in DA:D. Varric had graying hair in the first Missing issue, but otherwise, he basically had his DAI design. He's since then undergone a significant redesign in the second issue. The scar is also new.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 16, 2023 9:14:16 GMT
Other things I have taken from the preview: I guess may be they were scars acquired during their journey since the last issue.
Also, I note that the Qunari have now got as far as Vyrantium, so the Archon and the Magisterium are still totally ineffectual in mounting a defense. What in the hell are they playing at?
Back in 9:12 the Qunari launched a major offensive against mainland Tevinter at Qarinus, with the full backing of Par Vollen, yet it failed miserably once Tevinter brought its full magical fire power into play against them. I assume it was this victory that led to the renaming of the ancient city of Qarinus, despite Dorian maintaining how much their antiquity meant to them. Meanwhile, on the side of the Qun, the defeat led to the replacement of the Arishok of that time and for the young officer, Sten, to suggest a different strategy for preparing the ground for future assaults. When he became Arishok, Tevinter was well aware of the danger he posed because they immediately tried to assassinate him. However, they should also have been aware, since their agents were keeping watch, of the build up in Qunari forces. Even if they were complaisant about this before the assault on Qarinus/Ventus, they should have mobilised their forces after that. Instead it would seem that, despite not having the backing of Par Vollen (allegedly), the Antaam have proceeded down the east side of Tevinter virtually unopposed if the various comic series are to be believed. What happened to Tevinter that they should be so lack lustre and ineffectual in just 40 years?
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Feb 16, 2023 10:44:49 GMT
The most important thing about this preview is that Varric is now trending on Twitter because everyone is so thirsty for his new look.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 16, 2023 10:55:04 GMT
Other things I have taken from the preview: I guess may be they were scars acquired during their journey since the last issue.
Also, I note that the Qunari have now got as far as Vyrantium, so the Archon and the Magisterium are still totally ineffectual in mounting a defense. What in the hell are they playing at?
Back in 9:12 the Qunari launched a major offensive against mainland Tevinter at Qarinus, with the full backing of Par Vollen, yet it failed miserably once Tevinter brought its full magical fire power into play against them. I assume it was this victory that led to the renaming of the ancient city of Qarinus, despite Dorian maintaining how much their antiquity meant to them. Meanwhile, on the side of the Qun, the defeat led to the replacement of the Arishok of that time and for the young officer, Sten, to suggest a different strategy for preparing the ground for future assaults. When he became Arishok, Tevinter was well aware of the danger he posed because they immediately tried to assassinate him. However, they should also have been aware, since their agents were keeping watch, of the build up in Qunari forces. Even if they were complaisant about this before the assault on Qarinus/Ventus, they should have mobilised their forces after that. Instead it would seem that, despite not having the backing of Par Vollen (allegedly), the Antaam have proceeded down the east side of Tevinter virtually unopposed if the various comic series are to be believed. What happened to Tevinter that they should be so lack lustre and ineffectual in just 40 years? This isn't some blitzkreig we're talking about though. This is a protracted war and now we have our first evidence of actual siege warfare being employed, which IRL I do belive medeval sieges could last for years.
I am beginning to suspect more that this is more evidence of Qunari tactics evolving over time as well as any failure on the Imperium's part, though probably a bit of that to. If I'm right they are probably isolating the Imperium from itself setting up sieges across the Imperium's cities to trap them. Only issue I could see is potential problems with manpower, but either way only a certain group with access to Eluvians will be able to break the siege and coordinate.
Also as an aside I have to wonder if the whole reason that the Qunari are successful is because they don't have the backing of Par Vollen. SUre they'd lose access to the intelligence the Ben Hasrath could provide, but they also are totally unleashed without having to worry about being leashed by the other branches of the Qun. We've already seen a brutal campaign far in excess of what the Qunari has apparently waged in Ventus and in that one Antivan city...
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 16, 2023 12:00:10 GMT
Theory: could be the developers has finished an updated design for Varric in the new game, so his design in the comics has changed to bring it up to date with how he is going to look when/if he appears in DA:D. I could understand the change if it had been consistent across the issues but it seems strange to me that the artist for issue one wasn't informed about the amended design but the artist for issue two was. It is even more peculiar because the latter had worked on previous comics with Varric in them, so you would think they would be the one more likely to use the old design than someone who was new to the franchise.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 16, 2023 12:15:26 GMT
Also as an aside I have to wonder if the whole reason that the Qunari are successful is because they don't have the backing of Par Vollen. So, they don't have the auxiliary services that would normally be provided by the Arigena, such as food supplies, armour and weapons, repairs and, for that matter, the experts to build the siege equipment. Meanwhile, the Ariqun would help with morale and spiritual guidance, provide any necessary diversions during down time between battles and, of course, the services of the Ben'Hassrath to deal with subversives within the ranks, in addition to their intelligence from their network of agents. They wouldn't impede military operations because military strategy was always the prerogative of the Arishok and he would decide whether or not was the right time to launch a campaign. Now I will admit that this latter part could be what has changed since their previous offensive on the mainland and that is down to the ideas put forward by Sten even before he became Arishok. However, since the Ben'Hassrath report to the Ariqun, not the Arishok, he would not be able to utilise them effectively without her approval. This is why I have never understood the idea that there is a split in the Qun. The Arishok didn't need the approve of the other two members of the Triumverate to launch an offensive against Tevinter, against whom there has never officially been any sort of truce, but he would need their co-operation to ensure its success. Then we have to remember that the Antaam are also attacking Antiva, so effectively fighting on two fronts and that this broke the Llomerryn Accord, so the southern nations can now come in on the side of both Antiva and Tevinter if they so wish. Now I can understand if Par Vollen opposed breaking the Accord, so may be that is when the split occurred. Something else to consider. Soldiers are going to die in the offensive and need replacing. Normally they would be coming forward from trainees back on Par Vollen but if they opposed the action, these new troops would not be forthcoming.
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Post by puddingtheruthless on Feb 16, 2023 16:07:28 GMT
Theory: could be the developers has finished an updated design for Varric in the new game, so his design in the comics has changed to bring it up to date with how he is going to look when/if he appears in DA:D. I could understand the change if it had been consistent across the issues but it seems strange to me that the artist for issue one wasn't informed about the amended design but the artist for issue two was. It is even more peculiar because the latter had worked on previous comics with Varric in them, so you would think they would be the one more likely to use the old design than someone who was new to the franchise. If it's a sudden change, because they've now settled on a design and decided they're going to use it, it makes sense that it's not consistent with previous issues because they're just now switching to it. They're changing it now to create a consistency from now on that matches with the game itself. Basically, Varric has his DAI design in the first issue of Missing, but they've switched to his DA:D in the second issue and they're going to use that design from now on. That's my theory, anyway.
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Post by Iddy on Feb 16, 2023 19:03:08 GMT
Loooovvveeee Varics look in this. Makes him look really weathered and older. The Qunari look a little zombie like. Sign of things to come or artistic liberty? Artistic liberty. They had freaking warts on their shoulders in the Nunzio comics. They're dragon people, not goblins, goddamn it. On another note, do we have confirmation on the time gap between Trespasser and DA:D?
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Post by puddingtheruthless on Feb 16, 2023 19:52:35 GMT
On another note, do we have confirmation on the time gap between Trespasser and DA:D? Officially? No. It's a fan extrapolation based on a story Bioware released for Dragon Age Day last year. I think it's probable because Bioware does put some years between major events: - The mage uprising in Kirkwall happened seven years after the Fourth Blight. - The actual vote to dissolve the Circles happened two years after the mage uprising. - The "rogue" Qunari attempt to assassinate important political personnel from Orlais and Ferelden happened two years after Corypheus' defeat. I've always liked that they did that. It's a busy century, but at least, it's not all happening within a decade or less.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 17, 2023 8:21:00 GMT
The mage uprising in Kirkwall happened seven years after the Fourth Blight. - The actual vote to dissolve the Circles happened two years after the mage uprising. Actually, that's not how it happened. DA2 made it sound as though the mage uprising occurred immediately after the events in Act 3 but that was when they were meant to be continuing the story with the Exalted March DLC. When that was cancelled there had to be a revision of the plot, which was largely expanded upon outside of the games in the novel Asunder. In that, it was stated that Fiona called for a vote on independence for the Circles from the Chantry in 9:38, which was voted down by her fellow First Enchanters, probably due to the influence of Wynne. At this point, the Templar Order forbade further meetings of the College of Enchanters, and tensions increased between the two factions as a result but the Circles continued to run as before. Meanwhile, Justinia had authorised secret research into whether it was possible to nullify a mage's magic without stripping them of their emotions. Whilst this resulted in a negative, what it did reveal was that the Rite was reversible, something the Seekers had apparently always known was possible. On discovering the Rite was reversible, Justinia allowed for a meeting of the College of Enchanters to discuss the matter, which Fiona immediately subverted to call once again for total independence from the Chantry. The Lord Seeker reacted to this by violently ending the meeting and imprisoning all the First Enchanters in attendance. Justinia helped them escape, resulting in the Lord Seeker dissolving the accord between the Templars and the Chantry and that in turn allowed the full blown war to erupt between the College of Enchanters, led by Fiona, and the Templar Order, now led by Lucius as the former Lord Seeker Lambert had been assassinated by Cole. It was only at this point that Justinia saw fit to send Cassandra to Kirkwall to find out about Hawke's involvement in events (a bit odd you would think when the Chantry and Grand Cleric had been blown up in 9:37). This all occurred in 9:40, 9 years after the end of the Blight and apparently 3 years after what happened in Kirkwall (see the timeline in WoT). Towards the end of that year, Justinia decided to call a Conclave for early 9:41 in order to try and end the conflict. Unknown to either side, she was also secretly planning on setting up her own private army, the Inquisition, which presumably she would have used to enforce any resolution that was arrived at in the Conclave. - The "rogue" Qunari attempt to assassinate important political personnel from Orlais and Ferelden happened two years after Corypheus' defeat. However, the Qunari had probably been working on the plot ever since the hole appeared in the sky. They certainly weren't happy about the spread of red lyrium, which is why they were willing to work with the Inquisition, but their agents had probably told them how the south had failed to control their mages and what led to the rebellion. Also, the failure to take the south by stealth, resulted in the Arishok re-directing the Antaam against mainland Tevinter. Remember it was the death of the Arishok at Hawke's hands in 9:34 that led to the elevation of Sten to the role who was responsible much of their subsequent strategy. Hawke had also been responsible for discovering red lyrium, only a year after the Blight, and releasing Corypheus, sometime between 9:32 and 9:37. Meanwhile, Solas had begun his ritual before meeting with us in Trespasser, so likely not long after his meeting with Flemeth immediately after the defeat of Corypheus. So, even if our new hero doesn't get involved until several years later, actually there has never been much of a break in world impacting events following the Blight and even if the action does start in 9:52 that is only just over 2 decades later.
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Post by necrowaif on Feb 17, 2023 23:45:09 GMT
Loooovvveeee Varics look in this. Makes him look really weathered and older. The Qunari look a little zombie like. Sign of things to come or artistic liberty? Artistic liberty. They had freaking warts on their shoulders in the Nunzio comics. Same artist, incidentally.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 18, 2023 8:44:26 GMT
Artistic liberty. They had freaking warts on their shoulders in the Nunzio comics. They're dragon people, not goblins, goddamn it. I have a feeling they just wanted to emphasise that these are the bad guys but, as you say, I think they have gone a bit too OTT with the alien look in recent comics. Still, they may have been told to do this by Bioware. Perhaps something nefarious has been going on in the Antaam. After all, the Viddasala was doing experiments on their sarabaas, trying to power them up with lyrium, which didn't end well, so perhaps something similar has been done with their regular soldiers, which is why they seem so much more vicious and brutal than before. Now that would explain the split with Par Vollen. The Ariqun would not authorise the experiments, so the Arishok said "screw you" I'm doing it anyway. That might well mean that Par Vollen was telling the truth about their involvement with the Viddasala too. That was purely a scheme authorised by the Arishok and when it failed, he simply abandoned secrecy and launched an all out assault on the mainland. Now it seems a bit crazy to be the work of our Sten but he could have changed over the years and the events he was involved in connected with Alistair and Maric, may have convinced him that a different strategy was needed to deal with rogue magic. In fact, perhaps it is Rasaan who was behind it, having decided not to wait around until the current Ariqun passed on before taking the initiative with the Arishok. When she met with the party in "Genetivi Dies in the End", she did describe it as "my Antaam".
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 18, 2023 9:39:29 GMT
Artistic liberty. They had freaking warts on their shoulders in the Nunzio comics. They're dragon people, not goblins, goddamn it. I have a feeling they just wanted to emphasise that these are the bad guys but, as you say, I think they have gone a bit too OTT with the alien look in recent comics. Still, they may have been told to do this by Bioware. Perhaps something nefarious has been going on in the Antaam. After all, the Viddasala was doing experiments on their sarabaas, trying to power them up with lyrium, which didn't end well, so perhaps something similar has been done with their regular soldiers, which is why they seem so much more vicious and brutal than before. Now that would explain the split with Par Vollen. The Ariqun would not authorise the experiments, so the Arishok said "screw you" I'm doing it anyway. That might well mean that Par Vollen was telling the truth about their involvement with the Viddasala too. That was purely a scheme authorised by the Arishok and when it failed, he simply abandoned secrecy and launched an all out assault on the mainland. Now it seems a bit crazy to be the work of our Sten but he could have changed over the years and the events he was involved in connected with Alistair and Maric, may have convinced him that a different strategy was needed to deal with rogue magic. In fact, perhaps it is Rasaan who was behind it, having decided not to wait around until the current Ariqun passed on before taking the initiative with the Arishok. When she met with the party in "Genetivi Dies in the End", she did describe it as "my Antaam". Thst would be an interesting way to handle the Inquisition allying with the Qun or not, making it more like the Heretic choice in ME2 where each have pros and cons instead of the “if you chose this, you’re wrong and a terrible person” that Patrick said.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 18, 2023 10:52:24 GMT
Thst would be an interesting way to handle the Inquisition allying with the Qun or not, making it more like the Heretic choice in ME2 where each have pros and cons instead of the “ if you chose this, you’re wrong and a terrible person” that Patrick said. Yes, that did seem a very biased interpretation of it, particularly if the writing of Dragon Age is meant to be about "grey" moral choices. Now presumably they have gone in the direction they have with the Qun due to the influence of PW as lead writer but the main objection I have with the recent development they have pushed of a rift in the Qun is that it appears to contradicts with the epilogue of Trespasser if you did align with the Qun in DAI. There it quite clearly states that whether you disband or give over the Inquisition to the Divine, the Qun state that " they consider their alliance to apply to her and the Chantry." Furthermore, after the assault on the Tevinter mainland: " Whispers in Val Royeaux suggested that the Qunari had asked Divine Victoria to assist them". Now, at the time, because this passage followed straight after the section about the assault on Tevinter, I assumed this meant that Par Vollen had asked for their help against Tevinter, which would mean that Par Vollen supported it. However, it is actually somewhat ambiguous, so it could mean that Par Vollen had asked for Divine Victoria's assistance in combating the rogue Antaam. This would explain why Gatt seems to be in contact with the Inquisition (even if you didn't align with the Qun in DAI), since he is still loyal to Par Vollen, and why Solas seemed so determined to force the hand of Par Vollen and bring them into the war. So, it is going to be really interesting to see where they take this now the Antaam have broken the Llomerryn Accord and attacked Antiva. Is it possible they are going to get us to forge an alliance with Par Vollen on behalf of the Divine to oppose the Antaam in Antiva? At the very least, our mission may be to assassinate the rogue leaders of that assault.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 20, 2023 1:42:43 GMT
Second time I have gone looking for the statements from Weekes that he is alleged to have made on the topic. I think the conversation might be interesting to have, but I am really interested to know the exact context so I can judge that without the vague statements I've been seeing. Source would also help.
As far as the Qun is concerned only two real ways this can go. Either A. this is all a pretty coordinated effort on the part of the Qun. We've seen them do false flag operations before, we've seen them use espionage, we've seen them do the whole 'we disavow the actions of our military in attacking you, please don't go to war with us,' thing before. Basically this could easily be a situation with Corypheus and the Venatori. They'll disavow the actions of these 'radicals', but if these radicals succeed or look like they'll suceed then they'll come swooping in and support them. one way or another likely. B. There is a legitimate greivance in the Qun and legitimate division in tactics and how to deal with thier mutal objectives which is causing them to come to blows and is causing them to start fracturing. This is at least the stated reason but, I guess circling up to the above if the Qun is doing complicated psy ops and they convince the Divine that this isn't really them doing it then it might cause enough hesitation for the Divine to not want to get too involved. Or at least that would be the purpose of these psy ops we could easily see the SOuthern Chantry getting pulled into the war so Solas has even more room to manuver.
Eithr way there is plenty of evidence for both. Psy ops and covert missions would be right in the Qun's warehouse and really I think from what Tallis said in Mark of the Assassin they're the type that don't believe in following their promises and obligations if they feel they can get an advantage. So I'm not trusting the Qunari/ Par Vollen one bit when they say that they aren't supporting the Antaam. But on the other hand there is plenty of meta reasons to point to this schism being legitimate. The prophecy in the Book of Exaltations probably refers to the Qunari in some way, and given every single Thedas organization is going through a Thesis Antithesis moment I also wouldn't be surprised that one of the big plot point for Dreadwolf, or future games, will be to have a fight on the Qunari's soul and discover the 'true meaning of Koslun.'
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Feb 20, 2023 3:25:45 GMT
The prophecy in the Book of Exaltations probably refers to the Qunari in some way, and given every single Thedas organization is going through a Thesis Antithesis moment I also wouldn't be surprised that one of the big plot point for Dreadwolf, or future games, will be to have a fight on the Qunari's soul and discover the 'true meaning of Koslun.' Indeed. I would not be surprised if this is the game where the Qunari find out that they're actually elves with dragon blood. Uh, not that we know for sure that that's what they are, but based on some of the stuff in Those Who Speak plus what Corypheus says and Bull's speculation I am 90% sure that's where we are going. So that's bound to cause some kind of existential crisis for at least some of them.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 20, 2023 3:50:21 GMT
The prophecy in the Book of Exaltations probably refers to the Qunari in some way, and given every single Thedas organization is going through a Thesis Antithesis moment I also wouldn't be surprised that one of the big plot point for Dreadwolf, or future games, will be to have a fight on the Qunari's soul and discover the 'true meaning of Koslun.' Indeed. I would not be surprised if this is the game where the Qunari find out that they're actually elves with dragon blood. Uh, not that we know for sure that that's what they are, but based on some of the stuff in Those Who Speak plus what Corypheus says and Bull's speculation I am 90% sure that's where we are going. So that's bound to cause some kind of existential crisis for at least some of them. I really hope not. I know I’ve said it before, but the more “because ancient elves” BioWare goes the worse it’ll be.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 20, 2023 3:50:45 GMT
The prophecy in the Book of Exaltations probably refers to the Qunari in some way, and given every single Thedas organization is going through a Thesis Antithesis moment I also wouldn't be surprised that one of the big plot point for Dreadwolf, or future games, will be to have a fight on the Qunari's soul and discover the 'true meaning of Koslun.' Indeed. I would not be surprised if this is the game where the Qunari find out that they're actually elves with dragon blood. Uh, not that we know for sure that that's what they are, but based on some of the stuff in Those Who Speak plus what Corypheus says and Bull's speculation I am 90% sure that's where we are going. So that's bound to cause some kind of existential crisis for at least some of them. I think they are descendants of the Scaled Ones.
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Post by necrowaif on Feb 20, 2023 6:28:42 GMT
My money is on the Qunari being connected to the Old Gods. The “Freed are Slaves” mosaic depicts the Qunari being enslaved to seven magisters, but it was changed and originally there were seven other figures depicted as ruling over the Qunari.
We know that the Qunari have some kind of link to dragons. We’ve also heard Corypheus refer to the Qunari are “a mistake,” which implies the ancient magisters knew something about the Qunari that we do not.
Perhaps the Qunari are the Old Gods’ mistake, and maybe that is why Tevinter refuses to co-exist with the Qunari.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Feb 20, 2023 6:43:09 GMT
Indeed. I would not be surprised if this is the game where the Qunari find out that they're actually elves with dragon blood. Uh, not that we know for sure that that's what they are, but based on some of the stuff in Those Who Speak plus what Corypheus says and Bull's speculation I am 90% sure that's where we are going. So that's bound to cause some kind of existential crisis for at least some of them. I really hope not. I know I’ve said it before, but the more “because ancient elves” BioWare goes the worse it’ll be. I don't think that 'Qunari are dragonblooded elves' necessitates the involvement of ancient elves. In fact, Corypheus apparently knowing about their origins suggests to me that they're actually the results of some kind of Tevinter experiment gone wrong.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 20, 2023 9:03:42 GMT
I also wouldn't be surprised that one of the big plot point for Dreadwolf, or future games, will be to have a fight on the Qunari's soul and discover the 'true meaning of Koslun.' I was hoping we might discover more in DA:D. Even if the Qun aren't directly connected with the ancient elves, there may be some aspect of what went wrong in their past that was a betrayal of Koslun's true meaning with his philosophy. Solas is aware of this and that is why their current claim so "offends" him because it is a perversion of what Koslun intended. Either A. this is all a pretty coordinated effort on the part of the Qun. We've seen them do false flag operations before, we've seen them use espionage, we've seen them do the whole 'we disavow the actions of our military in attacking you, please don't go to war with us,' thing before. This is what I always assumed. When we found that letter that the Viddasala had intercepted, I just thought she was angry because they had abandoned her because of her failure, rather than genuinely disavowing the plot. However, having studied some of the passages in the epilogue again, I do wonder if they were subtly setting something up in there, knowing where they were going to take this. B. There is a legitimate greivance in the Qun and legitimate division in tactics and how to deal with thier mutal objectives which is causing them to come to blows and is causing them to start fracturing. As outsiders we only have limited knowledge of the Qun, mostly based on what other people have told us. Leaving out Chantry scholars and other non-Qun sources, that are likely to be biased, the only references we have come from Sten (who is now the Arishok), the former Arishok, Hissrad/Iron Bull and Tallis. Allegedly, Sten was actually the one who suggested, as a junior officer, they should focus on intelligence gathering and subversion before embarking on any future campaign, so his own mission in DAO and those of Iron Bull and Tallis, as Ben'Hassrath operatives, all stemmed from this original idea. The fact that both he and Tallis suggested Par Vollen did not consider the Llomerryn Accord binding on them, may actually be a reflection of how Sten (or the Antaam generally) viewed it rather than the other two members of the Triumverate. Whatever the case, I have taken another look at this passage in Trespasser: Few knew what debates were waged in Par Vollen, but not long after the Exalted Council, the Qunari launched new attacks against Tevinter. Their aggression caught the already unstable Imperium off guard. Tevinter was soon mired in a war many feared could spread across Thedas.Now I always thought that since the assault on Tevinter was so soon after the Exalted Council, it was a case of redirecting forces that had been all primed and ready to take over the south. In this scenario, the Arishok had deferred to the Ariqun in attempting a largely peaceful coup of the south and when that failed, had launched the surprise attack on Tevinter. In which case Par Vollen were always aware of the plot and approved of it. However, what if the Arishok and Rasaan had been the main instigators of the southern plot and had also been the ones driving the Viddasala's research? The Antaam/Body of the Qun is the group mostly responsible for dealings with the outside world and the Arishok is in charge of all military decisions. Rasaan is meant to be his spiritual advisor and she is acknowledged heir to the position of Ariqun. If the current Ariqun had been in the post for a long period of time, perhaps it was a bit like the situation with Divine Beatrice, who had become somewhat senile and ineffectual in the years before her death. So, Rasaan decided it was time she assumed control and encouraged the break with Par Vollen by the Antaam. Initially, this was done in secret but when Josephine's letter brought the subversion to light, this accounted for the "debates" that were waged in Par Vollen and the open schism between the Arishok/Antaam and the other two branches of the Qun. If Rasaan is the one who instigated the break, it would also explain something else that puzzled me; if the Arishok/his generals had gone rogue and effectively mutinied against Par Vollen, why not simply send out Ben'Hassrath to take them out? However, it is likely that the Ben'Hassrath, as a branch of the Ariqun, could have been compromised too, with them increasingly reporting to Rasaan rather than the aged Ariqun. Thus, she could command their loyalty or at least enough that they would safeguard her from the others. This would also explain why there were still Ben'Hassrath working with the Antaam in Three Trees to Midnight but also those loyal to Par Vollen in Half Up Front.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 20, 2023 9:55:48 GMT
Perhaps the Qunari are the Old Gods’ mistake, and maybe that is why Tevinter refuses to co-exist with the Qunari. I think that is more to do with the Qun's attitude to magic but that could have resulted from a memory of how their race came into being. This would have to pre-date the Qun because there was allegedly a colony of kossith in southern Ferelden immediately before the First Blight and it is speculated that was the origin of the ogres. Were those kossith merely explorers or were they fleeing persecution "across the sea"? Also, the Executors seem to have some sort of connection as well, since their agent in Dread Wolf Take You seemed to think the Qunari had reason to fear them. Why would that be when we weren't even aware of their existence until DAI? I think they are descendants of the Scaled Ones. There also seemed a connection between them and some sort of fire religion, which could connect them with either Sylaise or Toth. The latter was the Old God of Fire and a patron deity of the Neromenian kingdom before the Tevinter Imperium, so if these creatures had any connection with human civilisation, I think it predated the Imperium. Old God Kieran also says he was sorry for what was done to their people to a qunari Inquisitor. Corypheus seemed to have acquired a fair bit of ancient lore that was not necessarily that of Tevinter, plus the ancient humans took a great deal from ancient ruins and then passed it off as their own. I would not be surprised if this is the game where the Qunari find out that they're actually elves with dragon blood Or humans or elf bloodied humans with dragon blood. Humans were around at the time of the ancient elves, as were the dwarves of course, so any of them could have wound up in experiments by Ghilan'nain. The ancestors of the kossith could have been her monsters of the sea that Pride persuaded her to spare. Those weird elven murals and the Horror of Hormack both point towards her being responsible for something terrible but not all her monsters may have been beyond hope. These top two figures only need a pair of horns to resemble qunari and not all qunari have horns, whilst the third figure looks a candidate for a scaled one. Nevertheless, the kossith could be totally unconnected to the elves and the result of something that occurred across the sea. After all, the Neromenians also arrived from that direction and we still don't know the origin of the human race.
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