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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 30, 2023 8:38:31 GMT
Hmm... that mural is giving off some familiar vibes. Also, if Ghil is pregnant, could this be their child...? I see where you are coming from because of the tentacle that is part of the idol. However, there is an alternative, that I always think of when looking at the idol and that is it depicts the first broodmother. So rather than the mural depicting two lovers, might it not be Ghilan'nain with one of her "experiments"? This might further explain Solas' reaction to the idol in Tevinter Nights. What if it was a lover of his that was used to create the broodmother and it was his discovery of this that opened his eyes to the perversions of the Evanuris? What if it was this sacrilege that Mythal objected to, resulting in her death? May be this mural is going to just point to the weird sea monster in game but the first broodmother may be an alternative explanation for why it is shown.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 30, 2023 8:44:33 GMT
I am mildly disappointed that Ghilain'nain isn't an elf with white hair and wearing white clothes. I wouldn't assume anything about the identity of the people as yet. Also, the illustrator may have not got the memo as to how the person should look even if it is Ghilan'nain. To my mind they both look rather bland and generic, apart from the head-dresses and even they are rather limp and unimpressive. Did anyone actually identify them from an inscription or something, or was it just a case of someone assuming their identity/relationship? Because if I'd been presented with that picture, with no other context, I wouldn't naturally assume it depicted two Evanuris.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 30, 2023 11:26:56 GMT
Hmm... that mural is giving off some familiar vibes. Also, if Ghil is pregnant, could this be their child...? I see where you are coming from because of the tentacle that is part of the idol. However, there is an alternative, that I always think of when looking at the idol and that is it depicts the first broodmother. So rather than the mural depicting two lovers, might it not be Ghilan'nain with one of her "experiments"? This might further explain Solas' reaction to the idol in Tevinter Nights. What if it was a lover of his that was used to create the broodmother and it was his discovery of this that opened his eyes to the perversions of the Evanuris? What if it was this sacrilege that Mythal objected to, resulting in her death? May be this mural is going to just point to the weird sea monster in game but the first broodmother may be an alternative explanation for why it is shown. Also, while I'm not sure I agree with Hrungr either about the mural being another depiction for what is happening in the idol it does occur to me that its a possibility. And given Andruil's likely connections to Lyrium/ Red Lyrium it is possible that the idol is actually hers. And thus brings into a lot of question on whether or not Solas actually owns it afterall. He might be the best candidate of all those that are left but it wouldn't surprise me at this point if it were originally the goddesses of the hunt. Which then leads to a couple of questions: Was it always infected by Red Lyrium? Or did that happen to the idol later? Was it the weapon that killed Mythal and that blighted it? Or did Solas blight it in his efforts to get revenge on the rest of the Evanuris? While learning the ultimate origins of the Broodmothers might be extra spicey I am just not sure I buy it. Given the head dresses at this point seem to be another way of identitfying the Evanuris from each other or their servants if this were really Ghil and one of her experiments then I find it a bit of a stretch that they would be wearing two different head dresses. Though your theory does have some merit because if this is Ghil and Andruil...or even if this is Ghil and another one of the Evanuris then maybe their child is the experiment...and then the broodmother theory can still fit in (though keep in mind that Mark Darrah gets REAL uncomfortable when talking about the Broodmothers on his streams/ videos and has stated he doubts BioWare will revisit them).
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Post by eaglepursuit on Mar 30, 2023 13:10:47 GMT
I see where you are coming from because of the tentacle that is part of the idol. However, there is an alternative, that I always think of when looking at the idol and that is it depicts the first broodmother. So rather than the mural depicting two lovers, might it not be Ghilan'nain with one of her "experiments"? This might further explain Solas' reaction to the idol in Tevinter Nights. What if it was a lover of his that was used to create the broodmother and it was his discovery of this that opened his eyes to the perversions of the Evanuris? What if it was this sacrilege that Mythal objected to, resulting in her death? May be this mural is going to just point to the weird sea monster in game but the first broodmother may be an alternative explanation for why it is shown.
Also, while I'm not sure I agree with Hrungr either about the mural being another depiction for what is happening in the idol it does occur to me that its a possibility. And given Andruil's likely connections to Lyrium/ Red Lyrium it is possible that the idol is actually hers. And thus brings into a lot of question on whether or not Solas actually owns it afterall. He might be the best candidate of all those that are left but it wouldn't surprise me at this point if it were originally the goddesses of the hunt. Which then leads to a couple of questions: Was it always infected by Red Lyrium? Or did that happen to the idol later? Was it the weapon that killed Mythal and that blighted it? Or did Solas blight it in his efforts to get revenge on the rest of the Evanuris? While learning the ultimate origins of the Broodmothers might be extra spicey I am just not sure I buy it. Given the head dresses at this point seem to be another way of identitfying the Evanuris from each other or their servants if this were really Ghil and one of her experiments then I find it a bit of a stretch that they would be wearing two different head dresses. Though your theory does have some merit because if this is Ghil and Andruil...or even if this is Ghil and another one of the Evanuris then maybe their child is the experiment...and then the broodmother theory can still fit in (though keep in mind that Mark Darrah gets REAL uncomfortable when talking about the Broodmothers on his streams/ videos and has stated he doubts BioWare will revisit them).
Perhaps their offspring is Solas, explaining why their mural is next to a mural of the Dreadwolf.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 30, 2023 13:28:20 GMT
More thoughts: (though keep in mind that Mark Darrah gets REAL uncomfortable when talking about the Broodmothers on his streams/ videos and has stated he doubts BioWare will revisit them). Probably not represent them again on screen but they can't avoid them altogether. They are the reason the darkspawn exist. They were also mentioned in the Descent, so we are not just talking about DAO and DAA here. Why bring them up in the Descent if the writers wanted to avoid referencing them again? To my mind the origins of the broodmothers is a big deal. Fan theory originally was that at least one of the Magisters Sidereal was a woman but I think it is clear the taint was around long before Corypheus and Co entered the Black City and so likely broodmothers were as well. Likely they were sealed up somewhere and it was the break-in that released them and their offspring. That would explain the sudden multiplication of darkspawn in the Deep Roads. Apparently some scholars have questioned the timescale from Black City entry to full scale Blight if darkspawn only came into being at that point. A broodmother sealed away somewhere in the depths and continuing to reproduce over thousands of years would explain the sheer numbers involved.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 30, 2023 13:32:30 GMT
And more thoughts: Perhaps their offspring is Solas, explaining why their mural is next to a mural of the Dreadwolf. Now that is an interesting theory. Cole's monologues would seem to suggest that Solas was a spirit called out of the Fade by Mythal but they could easily backtrack on that since Cole never specifically mentions him by name. Showing his potential origins with that couple might tie in with the fact that Rasaan is looking for his true name. That, of course, could equally apply to him originally being a spirit.
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Post by eaglepursuit on Mar 30, 2023 13:41:35 GMT
And more thoughts: Perhaps their offspring is Solas, explaining why their mural is next to a mural of the Dreadwolf. Now that is an interesting theory. Cole's monologues would seem to suggest that Solas was a spirit called out of the Fade by Mythal but they could easily backtrack on that since Cole never specifically mentions him by name. Showing his potential origins with that couple might tie in with the fact that Rasaan is looking for his true name. That, of course, could equally apply to him originally being a spirit. The Dreadwolf is reputed to walk among both the Elven Gods and the Forgotten Gods. Perhaps the lovers created him as their child, but containing the spirit/soul of a Forgotten God in a way similar to Morrigan capturing the soul of the Old God in her unborn child at the end of DAO. This would allow Solas to be both kinds of god simultaneously.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 30, 2023 13:45:04 GMT
As a matter of interest, how did Varric and Harding leave things with that group in Arlathan Forest? Was it just the same as Evka/Antoine and Viago/Teia, in other words, thanks for the help and goodbye, or was there any discussion of the Dread Wolf?
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Post by eaglepursuit on Mar 30, 2023 13:51:54 GMT
As a matter of interest, how did Varric and Harding leave things with that group in Arlathan Forest? Was it just the same as Evka/Antoine and Viago/Teia, in other words, thanks for the help and goodbye, or was there any discussion of the Dread Wolf? They did share a few thoughts on Solas, a revelation to these Dalish. But how they parted ways wasn't shown.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 30, 2023 14:10:30 GMT
As a matter of interest, how did Varric and Harding leave things with that group in Arlathan Forest? Was it just the same as Evka/Antoine and Viago/Teia, in other words, thanks for the help and goodbye, or was there any discussion of the Dread Wolf? They're still together, as of now. But I'm sure they will go "Thanks for the help, bye" in the next chapter.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 30, 2023 18:09:02 GMT
They did share a few thoughts on Solas, a revelation to these Dalish. But how they parted ways wasn't shown. Ah, so unless they are being very canny and are good actors, this group genuinely knew nothing about the return of the Dread Wolf? It would seem they really have been cut off from contact with the outside world (except they've heard of the Inquisition), or Solas has specifically instructed his agents to avoid the Dalish. That would actually tie in with my theory that when Solas tells Lavellan that a return of his people will mean the end of theirs, he is specifically referring to the Dalish rather than modern elves generally and it is possible that those recruited to his ranks from the latter group are intended to survive.
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Post by necrowaif on Mar 30, 2023 19:19:10 GMT
One interesting thing I noted about the Venatori in Issue #3: They have really long white hair tied up at the back. That unnamed Tevinter mage who claims to have been Lady Crysanthus' husband in Issue 2 also had very long white hair.
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Post by eaglepursuit on Mar 30, 2023 19:24:07 GMT
One interesting thing I noted about the Venatori in Issue #3: They have really long white hair tied up at the back. That unnamed Tevinter mage who claims to have been Lady Crysanthus' husband in Issue 2 also had very long white hair.
Maybe there's nothing to it, or maybe this is a set-up. The husband-mage wasn't as helpful as this person though. This "venatori assassin" has now proved to be a somewhat helpful person. Perhaps they will come up in DA:D as a friend or frenemy?
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Post by necrowaif on Mar 30, 2023 19:47:11 GMT
There's definitely more going on here than just Harding and Varric chasing after and failing to catch up to Solas. I mean, why did Solas leave that trail of clues in the first place if it all ended in a wild goose chase? And why would a Venatori assassin intervene to help Varric, a well-known member of the Inquisition? There's also the question of who hired Viago and Teia to keep an eye on Lady Crysanthus.
I'm almost beginning to wonder if this whole thing wasn't a set-up by the Venatori to lure Varric and Harding to Tevinter. Maybe to propose an alliance? They have as much to lose as anyone if Solas burns the world, and maybe they're tired of getting their asses kicked.
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Post by eaglepursuit on Mar 30, 2023 19:55:58 GMT
There's definitely more going on here than just Harding and Varric chasing after and failing to catch up to Solas. I mean, why did Solas leave that trail of clues in the first place if it all ended in a wild goose chase? And why would a Venatori assassin intervene to help Varric, a well-known member of the Inquisition? There's also the question of who hired Viago and Teia to keep an eye on Lady Crysanthus.
I'm almost beginning to wonder if this whole thing wasn't a set-up by the Venatori to lure Varric and Harding to Tevinter. Maybe to propose an alliance? Or maybe they aren't venatori at all. It feels like a setup for an epic unmasking of a familiar face. Welcome back, dear old Fenris, or something.
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Post by necrowaif on Mar 30, 2023 20:11:06 GMT
Well, Fenris is supposed to have fucked off to Ferelden at the end of Dark Fortress, so I doubt he's involved.
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Post by Hrungr on Mar 31, 2023 0:21:59 GMT
And for those interested, here's the full cover. I wondered where they were going to place the logo without running it across her face.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 31, 2023 0:51:46 GMT
What they have in store for us.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 31, 2023 7:51:03 GMT
And back on topic, I do hope that seeing Lace Harding's name keep cropping up has to bode well for the game? Yes? Her enhanced profile in this series would seem to suggest so, considering they have said it is a lead into the game. No doubt we will have a clearer picture after the final issue. I mean, why did Solas leave that trail of clues in the first place if it all ended in a wild goose chase? This is what I keep asking. If he doesn't want them following him, stop leaving a trail to follow. And why would a Venatori assassin intervene to help Varric, a well-known member of the Inquisition? Someone mentioned earlier they thought it was Solas posing as a Venatori. That might explain the long, flowing hair as we know from Tevinter Nights he isn't above donning a wig as part of his "disguise". It would also explain them intervening to save Varric. So, are you basing their identity as a Venatori on what the writers have been feeding us thus far, rather than definite evidence that they are? When Teia pursued them and declared they were Venatori, how did she know? Presumably she just assumed that Venatori would be following her and Viago but we know they had been tracking Varric and Harding. The only "Venatori" I can think of who might be tracking them with a view to offering their services is Calpernia, particularly if she has now ditched her association with that organisation. She wants to save Tevinter and elevate the slaves to the status of citizens, neither of which is going to be possible if the Antaam are successful or Solas destroys the world, so she might well be seeking an alliance to help with the former problem but become even more committed if they reveal the latter to her. Also, if she knew about the Crucious Stone, she might well want to find it before the Venatori do and was hoping the pair might lead her to it. There's also the question of who hired Viago and Teia to keep an eye on Lady Crysanthus. I think that one may be easier to explain. It would be the same mysterious person who hired Lucanis. It was someone wealthy, which could point to Dorian or Maevaris or even the Archon (he used outside assassins in Magekiller), or someone with the backing of wealthy people outside the Altus class, such as the Viper. Did they say they had been hired though? Or were they just following their own leads because of the history of the Crows with the Venatori?
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Post by colfoley on Mar 31, 2023 8:06:13 GMT
On the issue of why Solas is leaving a trail to follow for them while at the same time saying for them to go away is it is evidence which could confirm my long standing fan theory that he is basically playing a long game and deliberatley drawing the forces of Thedas who is paying attention in solving a problem for him.
Its been the one constant of all of his actions since Tresspasser. Just offering enough information to invite speculation and challenge, to get the Inquisition and their allies talking, to give them a cause to rally behind, an enemy to follow, and then he turns around and says its not going to be so bad...which just would naturally invite more of a response and not less of one. Solas is probably playing a very long game.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 31, 2023 8:21:11 GMT
Solas is probably playing a very long game. I have to admit after the debacle of the Rings of Power, I am inclined to think "Mystery Boxes". To my mind, the only explanation for this, other than illogical writing, is that Solas is getting everyone to dance to his tune in order to achieve his goals for him. That is entirely consistent with what we know of him from legend and his own testimony. However, I think that perhaps the writers don't think it is so obvious and that they are setting up a mystery for us, at the end of which they are going to go "Surprise!" and expect us all to be amazed. I am not normally this cynical, honestly.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 31, 2023 8:30:11 GMT
Solas is probably playing a very long game. I have to admit after the debacle of the Rings of Power, I am inclined to think "Mystery Boxes". To my mind, the only explanation for this, other than illogical writing, is that Solas is getting everyone to dance to his tune in order to achieve his goals for him. That is entirely consistent with what we know of him from legend and his own testimony. However, I think that perhaps the writers don't think it is so obvious and that they are setting up a mystery for us, at the end of which they are going to go "Surprise!" and expect us all to be amazed. I am not normally this cynical, honestly. I will admit I don't think that option has occured to me either. The idea that Solas might actually be as nefarious as he is presenting, afterall he's not known for lying per se, but he is being cagey so everyone runs around for ways to stop him, snatching up every single ancient artificat which he is interested in and has any connection to the Fade...only to swoop in and snatch them up when they get close enough/ when they get a hold of them. Afterall he is tapped into all the Inquisition's intelligence sources.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 31, 2023 8:33:25 GMT
Or maybe they aren't venatori at all. It feels like a setup for an epic unmasking of a familiar face. Welcome back, dear old Fenris, or something. See my other post concerning Calpernia. I am expecting to see her return in DA:D because her end was ambiguous (you never actually see her dead even if you do fight her) and I feel that she would have become disenchanted with the majority of the Venatori after Corypheus was out of the picture. I cannot see her having any truck with someone like the Wigmaker in Tevinter Nights who misused his slaves in such a horrific way. I also think it is entirely possible she wasn't in the loop about red lyrium either, because Corypheus had everyone on a need to know basis and each group was effectively operating independently of the other, but once she discovered what they were doing with it and how they were growing it, she would reject them utterly. This being the case, she might well want to reach out to the Inquisition, initially with the intent of saving Tevinter but having been told of the threat of Fen'Harel, being entirely on board with stopping him first. I doubt they will bring back Fenris in game because of the fact that he had varying endings in DA2 but, against that, they allowed the writers to bring him back in the comic series, so it is possible he could return. Whilst the comic series had him heading south for Ferelden, the game would seem to be set several years after those events, so he could easily have traveled north again.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 31, 2023 8:36:34 GMT
And for those interested, here's the full cover. I am definitely looking forward to discovering her identity and whether she is friend or foe. I've just noticed something about her costume. Do you think that design is Tevinter fashion generally or that of a particular group? Look at the outfit on the Viper.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 31, 2023 12:21:29 GMT
I'm curious about what makes the red lyrium idol so special. Surely it isn't the red lyrium part, because Solas could get a sample anywhere.
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