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Post by Hrungr on Apr 18, 2023 0:46:23 GMT
I'm not sure if it was noted here, but issue #4 has been delayed a couple of weeks (Now: May 10th).
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Post by colfoley on Apr 18, 2023 0:49:39 GMT
I'm not sure if it was noted here, but issue #4 has been delayed a couple of weeks (Now: May 10th). hmmm.
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Post by eaglepursuit on Apr 18, 2023 0:52:04 GMT
That's disappointing
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Post by melbella on Apr 18, 2023 1:45:40 GMT
'm not sure if it was noted here, but issue #4 has been delayed a couple of weeks (Now: May 10th). I wonder if the delay is comic related or DA related?
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Post by eaglepursuit on Apr 18, 2023 1:50:26 GMT
'm not sure if it was noted here, but issue #4 has been delayed a couple of weeks (Now: May 10th). I wonder if the delay is comic related or DA related? That IS the day after the EA investor meeting.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 18, 2023 2:24:48 GMT
I wonder if the delay is comic related or DA related? That IS the day after the EA investor meeting. HMMM. *scratches chin*
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 18, 2023 3:42:42 GMT
Maybe in the final issue, someone noticed they labelled the dragons as dinosaurs and the darkspawn as Husks.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 18, 2023 7:55:29 GMT
I'm not sure if it was noted here, but issue #4 has been delayed a couple of weeks (Now: May 10th). That is really odd. Usually these sort of publications are planned months in advance of their actual release, so it seems unlikely that any error in the actual text wasn't spotted until now. Normally I would assume there was just some sort of hold up in the printing and distribution of issue 4 but not when it is in digital format. Plus, any small errors could be fairly easily fixed. I don't like getting into conspiracy theories but could it have anything to do with Mark Darrah becoming a consultant? Did he see the issue 4 they had signed off on and pointed out some sort of glaring problem with it in relation to the lore or just continuity with the subsequent story in the game? However, would it be possible to correct this in just a couple of weeks? That IS the day after the EA investor meeting. Normally I'd question why this would require delaying the final issue but the development of DA:D has been so fraught with problems and delays, I suppose anything is possible. It does make me think that the issue will contain something significant with relation to the game, so if that turns out not to be the case, I shall be very disappointed.
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Post by Hrungr on Apr 18, 2023 13:04:02 GMT
Regarding the delay, in the comics industry it could boil down to a number of reasons, including printing and distribution issues. The industry sees its fair share of those.
Also, late art is not unusual. And yeah, a late change could have happened as well, but it's typically for those other reasons.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Apr 18, 2023 13:35:52 GMT
The timing of the delay is certainly interesting, but many of us also thought Absolution premiering the day after the Game Awards meant something. So I'm just going to assume there is some boring reason for the delay.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Apr 18, 2023 15:20:20 GMT
I want to get my hopes up but if BioWare has been banking on this comic to coincide with a trailer, they haven’t been the best in advertising the comic to do so. The BioWare and Dragon Age twitter accounts don’t even post about the comic. So it seems silly for BioWare to delay the comic for *special reasons* when they haven’t been bringing eyes to it for *special reasons.*
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 18, 2023 15:26:54 GMT
Regarding the delay, in the comics industry it could boil down to a number of reasons, including printing and distribution issues. That's what I thought before I realised that it is only being released in digital format at present, so printing and distribution doesn't really come into it in the same way as for physical copies. It is clearly something that has only just happened as Amazon are still advertising their kindle edition for release on 26th April. Which is why it doesn't seem possible there is something wrong with the actual body of the comic because that should have been signed off as okay some time ago, not just with a week before it was due to release. Unless, as I've suggested above, when Mark Darrah rejoined them he picked up on something that other people had missed. Now another thought that occurred to me, since they said the comic was to be a lead into the game, was that may be after the end of the story there was final page which would say "to be continued in Dragon Age: Dreadwolf" and possibly even a release date. If that has now slipped, then it might be the reason for the delay in publication because that needed to be changed/removed. This would tie in with the new release date coming a day after the EA investor meeting because they want them to know the bad news first. Of course, it may be just coincidence. I want to get my hopes up but if BioWare has been banking on this comic to coincide with a trailer, they haven’t been the best in advertising the comic to do so. This could be another possible reason, if the end page directed the reader to a trailer that should have come out the same day or day after but this was no longer happening to the original timescale.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Apr 18, 2023 19:54:54 GMT
Oh. I just realized the page count went from 22 to 32 pages. Maybe that’s the reason for the delay?
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Post by dayze on Apr 18, 2023 19:56:53 GMT
Oh. I just realized the page count went from 22 to 32 pages. Maybe that’s the reason for the delay? That's interesting, some editor get a look at the story, say it needed some fleshing out and threw their weight around?
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Post by colfoley on Apr 18, 2023 20:58:01 GMT
Oh. I just realized the page count went from 22 to 32 pages. Maybe that’s the reason for the delay? yeah think we found it. It was on the comjc end
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Post by Hrungr on Apr 19, 2023 0:01:05 GMT
Oh. I just realized the page count went from 22 to 32 pages. Maybe that’s the reason for the delay? All of the issues are "32 pages", it's just that with the digital comics you don't get the 10 pages of ads.
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Post by melbella on Apr 19, 2023 0:44:25 GMT
That's what I thought before I realised that it is only being released in digital format at present, so printing and distribution doesn't really come into it in the same way as for physical copies.
Huh? I have print copies of the first 3 issues. Why would issue 4 be digital only?
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 19, 2023 1:06:28 GMT
Although that is how I would read it anyway, I don’t see anything indicating it is digital only.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 19, 2023 7:39:15 GMT
Huh? I have print copies of the first 3 issues. Why would issue 4 be digital only? Oh fair enough. I thought it could be the physical copying that was the problem but then I could only find digital examples, so assumed I must be wrong. No doubt there has just been a problem with the print run, which would have a knock on effect on distribution. So, nothing sinister or worrying in that. Pity about the delay though. Is it possible the digital version is still going to come out on the 26th? Only Amazon is still advertising their Kindle edition for release on that date. Google Books is the same. Wouldn't Dark Horse Comics have informed them if that date was no longer valid?
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 19, 2023 8:15:36 GMT
Getting back to the discussion about how much Tevinter civilisation may be a continuation of the elven empire under a different branding image, I notice that they seem to have revived the time warping/time freezing/time traveling ideas that emerged in DAI and JoH. I thought the anomalies in the Arlathan Forest were due to the halla statuette that Strife and Irelin recovered in the short story Ruins of Reality but apparently not. It would seem it was even suggested they may have been caused by someone using the Crucious stone (correct me if I have got this wrong). So, that got me thinking about Alexius and his amulet. That involved the use of a large green stone. So, was there more than one Crucious stone in existence or did he base his research on information in the archives in Minrathous and recreate the technology? Oddly enough, it occurs to me that after the conclusion of Hushed Whispers they never mentioned the amulet again, even though I assume that Dorian must still have it in his possession. Or was it destroyed on returning us to the present?
Another aspect that has occurred to me is that Solas was one of the few people, other than Dorian, who seemed to understand what was going on. Was that simply because of his advanced magical knowledge or was it that he recognised the technology involved? I know some people have suggested before that perhaps what Solas was planning on doing was traveling back in time to "restore the world of the elves" because what prevented Alexius from going further back in time than the Breach was the fact it was necessary to give him the magical power to do so, which is why Solas needed to remove the Veil entirely. I still don't see how this would work because of the time travel paradox that would still prevent him from returning to an earlier period from when Veil existed. However, I am now suspicious of the fact that they have revived the time manipulation magic in the comic series that is intended to feed directly into the game. So, is his plan to gather his followers in the Crossroads, where they will be isolated from the effects, and then do some time travel trickery to restore the world to what it was before. Hence, why this world is going to die because effectively it will never have existed.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Apr 19, 2023 10:26:09 GMT
Been doing a bit of searching the net and discovered a more complete image of the one under discussion Okay, so would someone please explain how an image of Fen'Harel, that we previously assumed showed what he planned to do in the future, is now found behind a wall in an old elven temple to an undisclosed god and alongside the image of these other two? I cannot believe this is a temple to either Andruil or Ghilan'nain because why would the Dread Wolf be there? Also, why would the patron goddess(s) be hidden behind a wall? Since the interior vault is accessed past this, at most it is like the Temple of Mythal where the other gods are honoured before getting to the inner sanctum. Clearly, though these images were originally bricked/plastered up, suggesting that may be the elves in charge of the temple in ancient times decided they were persona non gratia. That would make sense if the bricking up was done after the imprisonment of the gods and that they knew Fen'Harel was responsible. What about the other two though? Were they known to be his allies? To be honest, in addition to the elongated neck, I would say her arm is abnormally long and the fingers on the other hand look odd as well. Do suppose it illustrates her undergoing some sort of transformation, which is why the other is apparently comforting her? I am still puzzled by the image of Fen'Harel. Given it was in the 2020 trailer in what appeared to be his inner sanctum, the illustrator must have been instructed to use it. Why? If this has been said already and I missed it, I apologize, but:
I think the bottom woman could be Mythal, not Ghilly. I know the crown her statues associate with her is missing, but the iconography is really all up in the air at the moment.
Plus, her robes making her look pregnant would work for Mythal cus All Mother is part of her identity, so allusion to pregnancy might be part of her official aesthetic.
It being Mythal, perhaps a scene depicting Mythal's death, with her daughter comforting her in her final moment, would make the pic of the dread wolf next to it make more sense. Its showing a sequence of events -- Mythal's murder and Solas destroying Arlathan-- but in a light sympathetic to Andruil. That wall says: "Mythal died and then the mad, slavering Dread Wolf destroyed everything. Also, I was totally comforting mother in her final moments, see?"
The depiction of Solas in the next wall as a googly eyed wolf instead of a man tells me the painter was disapproving of the actions in that panel, but sympathetic to those depicted in the first panel b/c they are shown as actual people.
Alternatively, instead of showing Mythal's death, it could be the moment after she fought Andruil and saved her from (what many of us speculate was) her blight-fueled madness by removing the memory of it. Or the memory of the location of the void. Or w/e. Andruil seems to be holding her head with her right hand and the bottom figure is smiling at her all lovingly while clearly being either exhausted or injured, which would make sense after being in a knockdown fight with her. That bump in her abdomen might even be where she stored the blight she drew out of Andruil. Its canon that dragons aren't immune to the taint, but they do cut it off from the rest of their body when exposed to it, forming a cyst around the infected tissue.
If it is that moment being depicted, though, I dunno why it'd be next to an image that seems to be "Dread Wolf looms over Arlathan". So I still lean towards depiction of Mythal's murder instead.
Also, is that a face below the bottom figure's left shoulder, kind of behind her back? Or just a weird optical illusion???
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Post by colfoley on Apr 19, 2023 10:47:18 GMT
Been doing a bit of searching the net and discovered a more complete image of the one under discussion Okay, so would someone please explain how an image of Fen'Harel, that we previously assumed showed what he planned to do in the future, is now found behind a wall in an old elven temple to an undisclosed god and alongside the image of these other two? I cannot believe this is a temple to either Andruil or Ghilan'nain because why would the Dread Wolf be there? Also, why would the patron goddess(s) be hidden behind a wall? Since the interior vault is accessed past this, at most it is like the Temple of Mythal where the other gods are honoured before getting to the inner sanctum. Clearly, though these images were originally bricked/plastered up, suggesting that may be the elves in charge of the temple in ancient times decided they were persona non gratia. That would make sense if the bricking up was done after the imprisonment of the gods and that they knew Fen'Harel was responsible. What about the other two though? Were they known to be his allies? To be honest, in addition to the elongated neck, I would say her arm is abnormally long and the fingers on the other hand look odd as well. Do suppose it illustrates her undergoing some sort of transformation, which is why the other is apparently comforting her? I am still puzzled by the image of Fen'Harel. Given it was in the 2020 trailer in what appeared to be his inner sanctum, the illustrator must have been instructed to use it. Why? If this has been said already and I missed it, I apologize, but:
I think the bottom woman could be Mythal, not Ghilly. I know the crown her statues associate with her is missing, but the iconography is really all up in the air at the moment.
Plus, her robes making her look pregnant would work for Mythal cus All Mother is part of her identity, so allusion to pregnancy might be part of her official aesthetic.
It being Mythal, perhaps a scene depicting Mythal's death, with her daughter comforting her in her final moment, would make the pic of the dread wolf next to it make more sense. Its showing a sequence of events -- Mythal's murder and Solas destroying Arlathan-- but in a light sympathetic to Andruil. That wall says: "Mythal died and then the mad, slavering Dread Wolf destroyed everything. Also, I was totally comforting mother in her final moments, see?"
The depiction of Solas in the next wall as a googly eyed wolf instead of a man tells me the painter was disapproving of the actions in that panel, but sympathetic to those depicted in the first panel b/c they are shown as actual people.
Alternatively, instead of showing Mythal's death, it could be the moment after she fought Andruil and saved her from (what many of us speculate was) her blight-fueled madness by removing the memory of it. Or the memory of the location of the void. Or w/e. Andruil seems to be holding her head with her right hand and the bottom figure is smiling at her all lovingly while clearly being either exhausted or injured, which would make sense after being in a knockdown fight with her. That bump in her abdomen might even be where she stored the blight she drew out of Andruil. Its canon that dragons aren't immune to the taint, but they do cut it off from the rest of their body when exposed to it, forming a cyst around the infected tissue.
If it is that moment being depicted, though, I dunno why it'd be next to an image that seems to be "Dread Wolf looms over Arlathan". So I still lean towards depiction of Mythal's murder instead.
Also, is that a face below the bottom figure's left shoulder, kind of behind her back? Or just a weird optical illusion???
The biggest counter to this is the matching of the two helmets with the DA Day teaser last year does indicate that this is going to be one of the Evanuris still active which...wouldn't be Mythal.
Otherwise there is a certain poetic nature to your theory. Could be one of those situations where the figure is trying to comfort the other in death or something. Hmm wouldn't it be amazing if Mythal had been corrupted somehow and the Evanuris killed her out of self defense? Ugh part of the problem of this theories just get spit balled from other theories lol.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Apr 19, 2023 10:58:31 GMT
If this has been said already and I missed it, I apologize, but:
I think the bottom woman could be Mythal, not Ghilly. I know the crown her statues associate with her is missing, but the iconography is really all up in the air at the moment.
Plus, her robes making her look pregnant would work for Mythal cus All Mother is part of her identity, so allusion to pregnancy might be part of her official aesthetic.
It being Mythal, perhaps a scene depicting Mythal's death, with her daughter comforting her in her final moment, would make the pic of the dread wolf next to it make more sense. Its showing a sequence of events -- Mythal's murder and Solas destroying Arlathan-- but in a light sympathetic to Andruil. That wall says: "Mythal died and then the mad, slavering Dread Wolf destroyed everything. Also, I was totally comforting mother in her final moments, see?"
The depiction of Solas in the next wall as a googly eyed wolf instead of a man tells me the painter was disapproving of the actions in that panel, but sympathetic to those depicted in the first panel b/c they are shown as actual people.
Alternatively, instead of showing Mythal's death, it could be the moment after she fought Andruil and saved her from (what many of us speculate was) her blight-fueled madness by removing the memory of it. Or the memory of the location of the void. Or w/e. Andruil seems to be holding her head with her right hand and the bottom figure is smiling at her all lovingly while clearly being either exhausted or injured, which would make sense after being in a knockdown fight with her. That bump in her abdomen might even be where she stored the blight she drew out of Andruil. Its canon that dragons aren't immune to the taint, but they do cut it off from the rest of their body when exposed to it, forming a cyst around the infected tissue.
If it is that moment being depicted, though, I dunno why it'd be next to an image that seems to be "Dread Wolf looms over Arlathan". So I still lean towards depiction of Mythal's murder instead.
Also, is that a face below the bottom figure's left shoulder, kind of behind her back? Or just a weird optical illusion???
The biggest counter to this is the matching of the two helmets with the DA Day teaser last year does indicate that this is going to be one of the Evanuris still active which...wouldn't be Mythal.
Otherwise there is a certain poetic nature to your theory. Could be one of those situations where the figure is trying to comfort the other in death or something. Hmm wouldn't it be amazing if Mythal had been corrupted somehow and the Evanuris killed her out of self defense? Ugh part of the problem of this theories just get spit balled from other theories lol. Or would it? There is that wisp she sent through the eluvian. And the possibility that Solas may have absorbed more than he realized when he took her power. I mean, thinking about it, he willingly took in her essence that she seemed to be freely giving and that sounds worryingly like what she told Morrigan the ritual to hop bodies required. She said the soul had to be willingly taken, not knowingly.
I totally expect there to be SOME twist to Solas' version of events like that. I don't think the Evanuris will ALL turn out to be innocent lambs, but I do completely expect at least one to have been innocent and Solas unknowingly threw the baby out with the bath water when he imprisoned them all. It'd be just his luck, honestly. He's super smart, but he always miscalculates something in his big plans. It's practically a theme.
With this particular mural I think its just self-serving propaganda, though. I don't think Andruil is the innocent one in the group, if there is one. But who knows.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 19, 2023 11:15:12 GMT
The biggest counter to this is the matching of the two helmets with the DA Day teaser last year does indicate that this is going to be one of the Evanuris still active which...wouldn't be Mythal.
Otherwise there is a certain poetic nature to your theory. Could be one of those situations where the figure is trying to comfort the other in death or something. Hmm wouldn't it be amazing if Mythal had been corrupted somehow and the Evanuris killed her out of self defense? Ugh part of the problem of this theories just get spit balled from other theories lol. Or would it? There is that wisp she sent through the eluvian. And the possibility that Solas may have absorbed more than he realized when he took her power. I mean, thinking about it, he willingly took in her essence that she seemed to be freely giving and that sounds worryingly like what she told Morrigan the ritual to hop bodies required. She said the soul had to be willingly taken, not knowingly.
I totally expect there to be SOME twist to Solas' version of events like that. I don't think the Evanuris will ALL turn out to be innocent lambs, but I do completely expect at least one to have been innocent and Solas unknowingly threw the baby out with the bath water when he imprisoned them all. It'd be just his luck, honestly. He's super smart, but he always miscalculates something in his big plans. It's practically a theme. I realize in hind sight I used the wrong term for that so kind of my fault though the terminology also kind of sort of fits as well but in a way the 7 symbols if we are to take them for the Evanuris and the 2 which are still lit on the tramborine being the only two that haven't been killed (because yes I fully buy Evanuris= Old God don't want to dance around that anymore). But Mythal wouldn't fit in with that because he wasn't one of the 7 that Solas imprisoned in the first place and would thus be still out there...so if the iconography are supposed to represent the helmets then it stands to reason that Mythal wouldn't have been included, unless I am wrong about said iconography.
Yeah I can fully buy that though and it wouldn't be the least bit surprising. From a historical context the Evanruis looked like they were vain, petty, scheming, power grabbing, and kind of ruthless but in a weird way they also remind me of any of modern Thedas's ruling monarchs to say nothing of the Imperium. Sure evil in their own way but I also would hesitate to paint them all with a wide brush. And if the story of Andruil is any indication they were also prone to corruption even with their best intentions. The question kind of is which one would fit the intentions of a 'good' Evanuris, especially if fan theories are correct about which one was which and which we are liable to fight in Dreadwolf? Andruil kind of fits because of the aforementioned corruption if Mythal freed her then she could go back to normal. Ghil kind of fits since I get a 'mad scientist' vibe from her but not strictly speaking evil. Mythal is a great candidate but...you know. Elgar'nan is out because he seemed by far the most overtly dickish of the group. As far as June, Falon'din, and Dirthamen are concerned (and probably missing a few)...well I certainly don't know enough about them to really make a judgement so they could either be on the good side or the bat shit side. Though Dirthamen does scream 'Evanruis intelligence arm' so he's liable to be out.
Though furthermore while the Evanuris were probably bad and probably were corrupted after the fact of the wars they had to fight against various factions there is some evidence that in at least some cases that what they were fighting against was worse. Much like again with Modern Thedas most of the monarchies on the Continent are depraved, the Circle system is a mass injustice, but they look positively saintly compared to the Qun.
Bottom line though even if some of them were good they are unlikely to be so with Solas imprisoning them all. They are either mad from being imprisoned or want their own vengence...which would be just like Solas to once more be his, and the rest of us's, worse night mare.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 19, 2023 13:41:54 GMT
Yeah I can fully buy that though and it wouldn't be the least bit surprising. From a historical context the Evanruis looked like they were vain, petty, scheming, power grabbing, and kind of ruthless but in a weird way they also remind me of any of modern Thedas's ruling monarchs to say nothing of the Imperium. Sure evil in their own way but I also would hesitate to paint them all with a wide brush. And if the story of Andruil is any indication they were also prone to corruption even with their best intentions. The question kind of is which one would fit the intentions of a 'good' Evanuris, especially if fan theories are correct about which one was which and which we are liable to fight in Dreadwolf? I think another aspect we should consider is that if the Evanuris were originally spirits that took on material forms and spirits have a tendency to devote themselves to one particular theme, then it may be difficult to attribute good/evil behaviour to them since they are just following their nature. Mythal was a protector and mother to her people but also the dispenser of justice and it would seem could be quite ruthless in this. Elgar'nan embodied vengeance and retribution for acts against the People, which in itself could be violent and not necessarily proportional to the crime. I've pointed out before that Andruil is known for being a hunter and thus may well have been compelled to hunt, finding ever more dangerous creatures and environments to pit her skills against. So, with the Evanuris it wasn't simply a case of power corrupting them but their very nature being taken to extremes. Falon'Din was the god of the dead but likely grew impatient waiting for accidental death to overtake the elves and promoted violence to increase the number of his followers. Dirthamen became fanatical about keeping secrets. You get the picture. June is the one god that has been given a degree of mystery. The codex in the Temple of Mythal implied that his designation as god of crafting was not as simple as the Dalish make it appear. If the Evanuris = Old Gods, then I've always felt the closer match for him would be Urthemiel, whose high priest was known as the Architect of Beauty. In which case it was some aspect of June that we encountered in the Arch-demon of the 5th Blight and who Flemeth/Mythal was seeking to save. May be she hadn't attempted to do this with the other Old Gods in the past but her concern was specifically for Urthemiel. Certainly, the being that co-existed in Kieran seemed benign enough and even showed regret for what had been done in the past. It is entirely possible that the last two Old Gods may turn out to be potential allies, whatever their true identity might be.
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