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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 29, 2022 9:05:56 GMT
Overall, I just think there’s no way it’s going to be a black and white issue. Yet we know Solas tends to use actions of an individual to judge an entire group. To him maybe Sylaise and June and anyone else who didn’t “do enough” to save Mythal we’re seen as just as guilty as those who killed her so he gave them all the same punishment. This is the same guy who murdered his longtime ally for thinking maybe genociding the modern world isn’t a good thing to do. Since Dragon Age is known for its "grey" issues, it would be odd for them to make it so cut and dried with the Evanuris. See my above ideas concerning the culpability of gods not actually involved in killing her. As you say, he killed Felassan for seeing Briala as a person rather than simply a pawn in Fen'Harel's plans and disobeying orders, so he is hardly a reliable witness when it comes to judging others. I'm not suggesting that Sylaise and June were paragons of virtue, as the Dalish imagine them, but there could well be an element of guilt by association where Solas is concerned. It may also have been impossible for him to entrap some without getting them all and, besides, he had rebelled against them as a group so obviously all of them were condemned in his eyes.
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Post by n7double07 on Nov 29, 2022 9:08:16 GMT
A valid point from the perspective of a player character. At the meta level, this would be a strange thing for Bioware pull out of their bag: "Hey, we set up the Evanuris minus Mythal (and MAYBE Dirthamen) as villains in the last game and trailers for this game, but June and Sylaise in particular were actually good, too. Oh, and they're not locked in the Black City" Or are they? If they aren't, where are they? And if they are, why so if they're good? Why would Solas lie about having them as allies?
Seems like an oddly specific (first-person perspective) amendment to the story at this point
In a way that would actually be smart. Have most people fall for Solas’s deceptions of the Evanuris being the bad guys when in reality it is Mythal and Fen’Harel who were the bad guys. I know they won’t, but it would be a neat twist. I don’t think the Evanuris are locked in the Black City. Otherwise they would have gotten out when the Magisters entered it. Overall, I just think there’s no way it’s going to be a black and white issue. Yet we know Solas tends to use actions of an individual to judge an entire group. To him maybe Sylaise and June and anyone else who didn’t “do enough” to save Mythal we’re seen as just as guilty as those who killed her so he gave them all the same punishment. This is the same guy who murdered his longtime ally for thinking maybe genociding the modern world isn’t a good thing to do.
Cole insinuates they're locked behind Eluvians somewhere. The Black City is plausible since the magisters might not have had the 'keys' to activate the Eluvians there. They could be elsewhere, too (I suppose technically still they would be because the Eluvians lead elsewhere; to pockets of the Void, for instance.) I'm not necessarily sold on the Black City even being the locations of the Eluvians.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 29, 2022 9:22:50 GMT
Overall, I just think there’s no way it’s going to be a black and white issue. Yet we know Solas tends to use actions of an individual to judge an entire group. To him maybe Sylaise and June and anyone else who didn’t “do enough” to save Mythal we’re seen as just as guilty as those who killed her so he gave them all the same punishment. This is the same guy who murdered his longtime ally for thinking maybe genociding the modern world isn’t a good thing to do. Since Dragon Age is known for its "grey" issues, it would be odd for them to make it so cut and dried with the Evanuris. See my above ideas concerning the culpability of gods not actually involved in killing her. As you say, he killed Felassan for seeing Briala as a person rather than simply a pawn in Fen'Harel's plans and disobeying orders, so he is hardly a reliable witness when it comes to judging others. I'm not suggesting that Sylaise and June were paragons of virtue, as the Dalish imagine them, but there could well be an element of guilt by association where Solas is concerned. It may also have been impossible for him to entrap some without getting them all and, besides, he had rebelled against them as a group so obviously all of them were condemned in his eyes. Yeah. Even if they are as virtuous as the Dalish see, that in fact might be a reason why Solas imprisoned them too. Sylaise is a master of healing and June crafting, so if the others were sealed but not them they could create a way to release the others and restore them to full power. Again, Solas has absolutely no qualms about sacrificing innocents for his goal (just look at giving the orb to Corypheus or his current plan of mass murdering everyone even if he sees them as people).
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Post by n7double07 on Nov 29, 2022 9:30:22 GMT
Obviously we're not getting the whole picture, but I'm at least inclined to believe Solas' recounting of the Evanuris in generality, and when he describes the Evanuris the way he does, it doesn't exactly leave too much room for interpretation concerning their malevolence. 1. Solas says that Mythal was the best of them and that she cared about her people. Was that possibly rose-tinted spectacles on his part? 2. Why do you think Dirthamen is least likely to be implicated? 3. So, I can fully imagine a conspiracy between Andruil, Ghilan'main, Falon'Din and Dirthamen but I think the main motivator was Elgar'nan. 1. I think this is precisely the case. He puts her on a ridiculous pedestal.
2. I don't, but there was some theorizing back when Inquisition was released brought on by the fact that a statue of Dirthamen in the Fade has a dagger in its back and some dialogue from the Well of Sorrows, when reversed, sounds as if it's saying "Dirth, go to him." I included that as a way of giving a nod to some evidence in that direction. Am not convinced, personally. The Well of Sorrows dialogue might have also gotten a re-interpretation.
3. There's almost too much of an analogy between Flemeth, Andraste, and Mythal for this to not be true.
Speculating about the role of the others in it, I wouldn't be surprised if they all supported it and contributed in some form.
From a common sense standpoint I doubt they were equally as bad as each other in their actions, but all of them were probably bad enough to be thought of as evil, possibly to the point where ranking them would be silly.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 29, 2022 9:52:32 GMT
Why should I trust Solas at all? He is the God of Deception, the closest thing to the devil in the elven mythology. He has done nothing but lie, either by omission or commission, the entire time we knew him. The only things that support his account are things left by him or his followers, so not exactly unbiased accounts. Solas is a romance and the dev. have said that Solas haven't lied in DAI. He hides things but he doesn't lie. But i see way some Evanuris be not all bad. Solas was in grief so how much he can really prove with the death of mythal is a question. Yes they all for slavery but so is Dorian and Dorian isn't the bad guy. Why does him being a LI matter? He’s hardly the first one in a BioWare game to lie to you. Remember Anders’s “I need these totally not bomb ingredients for a potion”? Hiding things when telling what happened is lying by omission, which is still lying.
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Post by fairdragon on Nov 29, 2022 10:02:05 GMT
Solas is a romance and the dev. have said that Solas haven't lied in DAI. He hides things but he doesn't lie. But i see way some Evanuris be not all bad. Solas was in grief so how much he can really prove with the death of mythal is a question. Yes they all for slavery but so is Dorian and Dorian isn't the bad guy. Why does him being a LI matter? He’s hardly the first one in a BioWare game to lie to you. Remember Anders’s “I need these totally not bomb ingredients for a potion”? Hiding things when telling what happened is lying by omission, which is still lying. You have a point. I have deleced the post because other say it better above.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 29, 2022 12:45:49 GMT
Hiding things when telling what happened is lying by omission, which is still lying. You have a point. I have deleced the post because other say it better above. I think when PW said that Solas doesn't ever straight up lie to you, this is what he meant. He also wouldn't necessarily correct you if you assumed something from what he said that was incorrect. To give an example. Solas says there is nothing in lore to connect the elven gods to the Old Gods. So, on the face of it that would seem to confirm there is no connection. Except the use of "in lore". Which lore is he speaking about? The lore of the Chantry? The lore of the Dalish? The writing of university scholars? It is perfectly true that you would find no connection between the two in any of these. That doesn't necessarily mean there is nothing that connects them, and should we find out subsequently that there is a connection, he would still maintain he didn't lie because of that qualifier "in lore". So, with everything that Solas tells us you have to consider whether he has only told half the truth or whether his words were ambiguous, rather than take everything at face value. I think it is worth remembering the warning of the Evanuris: " He will offer advice that seems fair but turns slowly to poison." That I think is also true. Another thing to consider is that Felassan was his ally and yet none of his stories about Fen'Harel paint him in a particularly favourable light. He is portrayed as cunning, devious and ruthless, pretty much as the Dalish remember Fen'Harel, the trickster god and, to be honest, in keeping with what we know of him.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Nov 29, 2022 23:40:46 GMT
To be fair June or Sylaise do not need to be good people to end up helping the protagonist. Your average murderer, slaver, torturer, or tyrant is still probably gonna bulk at genociding a whole world. An Evanuris could be a dictator, running a slave trade, and performing unethical experiments with blight/lyrium, and still be like "whoa, too far dude" about Solas' plan, resulting in them helping the protagonist stop it. Solas also has a plan for the Evanuris, meaning even if they don't care about the genocide they might want to help stop Solas anyway to save themselves from that part of Solas' plan. They might also help as a way of escaping their prison whether in a direct way like making a deal to help stop Solas if you release them, or in a manipulative way like telling the PC about a way to stop Solas which unbeknownst to them will result in that Evanuris' freedom. I imagine that such aid would either come in the form of A ) them communicating with us from their cell (perhaps through our dreams?), or B ) an object that contains a copy of them made before they were imprisoned (like the amulat Mythal gave Hawke) which the pc can talk to. Or perhaps use to create a weak copy of them. Or C ) indirectly through a servent/ally/worshipper of an Evanuris who seeks to stop Solas and free them. Possibly an agenda and allegiance that they keep secret. I'm going to be side eyeing the executors for C ), though given there's probably one of Ghilan'nain's horror hot tubs at Kal Sharok, I think it would be hilarious if the secret agent of The Elven God was the dwarf instead of the elf . Probably not but I would kinda love it.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Nov 29, 2022 23:45:53 GMT
There are two figures on the mural near Solas in one of the trailers. Most theories have it as some combo of those four, usually with Ghil and Andruil together or Falon'Din and Dirthamen together. I still reckon it looks like Dirthamen and Ghilan'nain.
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Post by n7double07 on Nov 29, 2022 23:47:10 GMT
There are two figures on the mural near Solas in one of the trailers. Most theories have it as some combo of those four, usually with Ghil and Andruil together or Falon'Din and Dirthamen together. I still reckon it looks like Dirthamen and Ghilan'nain. Very well could be. I hope it's actually Mythal and Elgar'nan; that gives more hope that all the Evanuris will return.
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Post by n7double07 on Nov 29, 2022 23:57:56 GMT
The headdress of the feminine one resembles one of the sea creatures in the art of DA:D, which goes with Ghilan'nain. The one on the right just looks edgy and mysterious as you'd expect Dirthamen to.
Important to note is that Meredith is under the one on the left and Corypheus the one on the right, which supports a Dumat-Dirthamen connection in the case of Corypheus. However, Meredith's story more closely resembles Andruil's than Ghilan'nain's.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Nov 30, 2022 0:07:51 GMT
The headdress of the feminine one resembles one of the sea creatures in the art of DA:D, which goes with Ghilan'nain. The one on the right just looks edgy and mysterious as you'd expect Dirthamen to. Important to note is that Meredith is under the one on the left and Corypheus the one on the right, which supports a Dumat-Dirthamen connection in the case of Corypheus. However, Meredith's story more closely resembles Andruil's than Ghilan'nain's. Aye that's why the left looks like Ghilan'nain to me. But I think the right one looks like Dirthamen, not because it's mysterious, but because he straight up looks like his vallaslin.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 30, 2022 8:44:59 GMT
I still reckon it looks like Dirthamen and Ghilan'nain. Very well could be. I hope it's actually Mythal and Elgar'nan; There are arguments in favour of both, particularly since we have no idea of what they actually looked like in person and, in any case, Solas' mural may be symbolic rather than like for like. Since the pools in HoH smell of the sea and that monster in the concept art has that weird bow like head, the image on the left could well be Ghilan'nain, particularly the clues in Horror of Hormack that connect her to it. However, it could also be Andruil, seeing as it is shown above the image of Meredith, and both went mad at some point, quite possibly because of red lyrium for Andruil as well as for Meredith. The wavy lines could be indicative of water and thus pointing to Mythal, or possibly the Fade, so could be Razikale, the goddess of mystery, since that would surely be linked to the Fade. The image on the right could be Dirthamen, because of the hint at his vallaslin, but could equally be Elgar'nan if that headdress could be regarded as a crown or symbolic of the sun. It could also Falon'Din if you think that form looks like "wings of death surrounding him", whilst the headdress shows his dragon horns. If the one on the left is Razikale, then the one on the right could be Lusacan, with the headdress symbolic of the moon. I wonder if there is any significance to the image being above that of Corypheus. Could it be the god that first devised the magic that created the foci? In which case, could it be June? If that positioning is the meaning of the placing of the right-hand image, then was the figure on the left-hand side responsible for the creation/discovery of red lyrium? Also, why are they shown upside down? Is it that they are going to be in opposition to him when he destroys the Veil? Or will they be his allies? Incidentally, the disc behind each of them is flawed and whilst golden (possibly indicating a link with the Golden City) it resembles the silver/grey disc in the original teaser trailer, which in turn links to the image in the purple logo.
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Post by n7double07 on Nov 30, 2022 9:47:20 GMT
I still reckon it looks like Dirthamen and Ghilan'nain. Very well could be. I hope it's actually Mythal and Elgar'nan; Also, why are they shown upside down? You reminded me of this theory: link (https://www.reddit.com/r/dragonage/comments/d502nd/spoilers_all_falling_up_the_true_location_of_the/) with that comment
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Post by n7double07 on Nov 30, 2022 10:01:50 GMT
There are some things there I'm skeptical of, namely the Black City being where corrupted Titans are locked away. How would that even work given what see? Obviously Titan(s) aren't fitting there, and I think it's more likely Arlathan or a new capital that the Evanuris made. Unless they're talking about only the heart(s), but even then removing the heart(s) would do much to stop the spread in the first place.
I've also never been convinced that red lyrium itself is the source of the Taint.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 30, 2022 11:57:21 GMT
I've also never been convinced that red lyrium itself is the source of the Taint. At present it does seem something of a "chicken and egg" situation. However, Solas does say something curious the first time we encounter it at the Temple of Sacred Ashes, which is easy to miss through being distracted by Varric and Cassandra, who are discussing it. When Varric questions how it got there, Solas says something about the magic in the explosion corrupting the lyrium. Now back in DAO, Oghran said that the Temple was built over a motherload of lyrium, which people theorised could lie behind the healing powers of the ashes. In view of the fact that it also seemed the site of an old temple to Mythal, that would also make sense in view of her lyrium mining operation. Such a large concentration would suggest it was the resting place of a (dead?) Titan. Anyway, Solas making this suggestion as to the reason for the red lyrium now being discovered there, seems to point to him actually knowing rather than just guessing as to its origins. So was it the magic of the orb or the fact that essentially an enormous blood sacrifice had occurred, given the number of people who must have died? Alternatively, is it the source of the magic used that caused the change? Essentially, although unlocking it caused a massive release of energy, the real purpose of the orb is to channel magic; hence it being a foci (focus). When Corypheus used it, he was channeling blight magic, so the orb glowed red, but when we take it from him, it glows green, so using Fade magic. As Cory was using blight magic, the orb channeled this into the surrounding lyrium, corrupting it. Vivienne and Solas have a conversation about the different types of magic that Cory uses. Vivienne says how he is drawing from 3 sources at once, his own (fade), elven (orb) and blight as though drinking from 3 wine glasses at once. Solas makes the point that the false Calling was blight magic, that the demon then amplified to reach the number of Wardens it did, and that one of the glasses (blight) is poisoned (corrupted). In the novel the Last Flight, Isseya is able to detect when another mage, Calien, is using blood magic because she can tell he is not drawing from the Fade. She is also able to sense that the Arch-demon is using a different source of magic, which I assume is either external to it (the Void) or drawing on the taint within itself. So, I am not sure about red lyrium. We know lyrium is the source of magic and a conduit to the Fade, so is red lyrium simply converting normal magic to blight magic because of its corruption or is it providing a conduit to the source of that taint? The Dalish call the source of the Blight, Banalhan, the place of nothing (Void?), and that is also where Andruil is said to have been corrupted when she went hunting there. So, it has to be an actual place and so I think that is the source of the taint.
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Post by n7double07 on Nov 30, 2022 21:55:44 GMT
I'm inclined to think similarly to you. Another reason I find it more believable that the Taint was originally separate before it corrupted lyrium is the fact that red lyrium doesn't make ghouls or darkspawn -- the lyrium is the tainted object, and with its spread it propagates the object-itself with the Taint. This can be viewed as the Taint "needing" the lyrium as an anchor, but we already know this isn't true. It's more likely that the lyrium itself serves as a boundary that both limits and modifies the way the Taint spreads.
An alternative could be that the pure Taint was originally extracted from red lyrium through some sort of blood magic.
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Post by dayze on Dec 1, 2022 1:14:25 GMT
I still reckon it looks like Dirthamen and Ghilan'nain. Very well could be. I hope it's actually Mythal and Elgar'nan; There are arguments in favour of both, particularly since we have no idea of what they actually looked like in person and, in any case, Solas' mural may be symbolic rather than like for like. Since the pools in HoH smell of the sea and that monster in the concept art has that weird bow like head, the image on the left could well be Ghilan'nain, particularly the clues in Horror of Hormack that connect her to it. However, it could also be Andruil, seeing as it is shown above the image of Meredith, and both went mad at some point, quite possibly because of red lyrium for Andruil as well as for Meredith. The wavy lines could be indicative of water and thus pointing to Mythal, or possibly the Fade, so could be Razikale, the goddess of mystery, since that would surely be linked to the Fade. The image on the right could be Dirthamen, because of the hint at his vallaslin, but could equally be Elgar'nan if that headdress could be regarded as a crown or symbolic of the sun. It could also Falon'Din if you think that form looks like "wings of death surrounding him", whilst the headdress shows his dragon horns. If the one on the left is Razikale, then the one on the right could be Lusacan, with the headdress symbolic of the moon. I wonder if there is any significance to the image being above that of Corypheus. Could it be the god that first devised the magic that created the foci? In which case, could it be June? If that positioning is the meaning of the placing of the right-hand image, then was the figure on the left-hand side responsible for the creation/discovery of red lyrium? Also, why are they shown upside down? Is it that they are going to be in opposition to him when he destroys the Veil? Or will they be his allies? Incidentally, the disc behind each of them is flawed and whilst golden (possibly indicating a link with the Golden City) it resembles the silver/grey disc in the original teaser trailer, which in turn links to the image in the purple logo. "Wings of Death Surrounding Him" kind of makes me think of fog, maybe the fog warriors learned their abilities from the ancient elves that followed or served as Falon'Din's assassins? The outward "hands", kind of looks like pincers to me, almost like they are being ready to support something that will be given to them.....a body/sacrifice placed on a stylized altar? Spirits are known to inhabit corpses after all. If Sola's "spirit animal" is a wolf, maybe Falon'Din's is an insect of some kind. Beyond that, serious "Dracula"-vibes with how the cape and collar are going on. Maybe some of those vampire loving fans are finally going to get their wish. Maybe their association with Meredith and Coryphaeus is to show to that they were as equally manipulated as the humans were?
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 1, 2022 8:39:39 GMT
"Wings of Death Surrounding Him" kind of makes me think of fog, maybe the fog warriors learned their abilities from the ancient elves that followed or served as Falon'Din's assassins? This is an interesting theory. The Fog Dancers (lore keepers) certainly say that their ancestors learned at the feet of the elves, so they could have learned how to make the magical fog from them. However, since they claim the griffons originated on Seheron and it has been speculated that these were created by Ghilan'nain and were the creatures of the air she gifted to Andruil, could the magical fog be another of her creations? Then again, the Fog Dancers claim that the fog came about because of the Curse of Nahar and will end when the curse is lifted. So, who was Nahar? The hints about the ancient history of the Fog People are why I was hoping we might go to Seheron next game, or at the very least perhaps have a Fog Dancer or Fog Warrior as a companion. What was the March of the Four Winds and when they speak of a "lost people" fleeing to the northern islands, are they talking about themselves or another group (the Par Ladi perhaps) who went even further north? There seems a connection between them in that the Parladians seem to be able to keep their island hidden and protected with some sort of cloaking magic, a fog perhaps? Also, those who have met them are reminded of Rivaini seers. So, did all three cultures originate from one ancient ethnic group? There is a great deal of human history that is lacking in what we have been told so far. The Neromenians came from over the sea and, according to the elves, first made landfall in Par Vollen. Were they the same people as the Fog Warriors and Rivaini or a different group? Where did they come from and why? Was their land of origin the same as that of the Kossith/Qunari, the Executors or somewhere else entirely? Did the barbarians in the south have the same origins as the Neromenians or did they come from people making landfall on the west side of Thedas, originating perhaps with the Voshai. These traders from a land across the sea to the west seem to have a strong association with maritime dwarves who navigate their ships for them but no apparent connection with the elves. In fact, there is so much history that has only been hinted at, one game could not do it justice. This is why I am hoping a future game will be one of maritime exploration.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 1, 2022 9:00:28 GMT
If Sola's "spirit animal" is a wolf, maybe Falon'Din's is an insect of some kind. Beyond that, serious "Dracula"-vibes with how the cape and collar are going on. Maybe some of those vampire loving fans are finally going to get their wish. He is associated with an owl, which in Thedas lore is not associated with wisdom but among the ancient people was a "terrifying omen of loss". Also, " Falon’Din had no fear of the night and would walk where the People could not live." Owls are confident and deadly nocturnal hunters, so that would also account for the association. I would agree though that it would be in keeping with Falon'Din (or Lusacan) that he is associated with vampires. His followers spoke of his " shadows that hunger", which at the very least suggest hunger demons that follow his orders. There is a hunger demon in Tevinter Nights that can create werewolves and hunger demons are known for their desire to consume. Actually, thinking about it, Solas' tale about Falon'Din has hunger demon vibes in his lust for followers and willingness to "consume" those of the other gods. I would also imagine that demanding blood magic sacrifices would be very much in keeping with this. Which is why these traits I have described would equally fit Lusacan. There was a maul called "Call of the Dark" with the following codex: " Lusacan calls to you. He lives where it is darkest and waits for the day he will rise. Drink of his blood and know the power in darkness: either fear the Night or wield it".
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Post by fairdragon on Dec 5, 2022 14:58:26 GMT
red lyrium doesn't make ghouls or darkspawn And what is the creature in the teaser trailer for you? For me the creature look like a darkspawn from red lyrium. 3:15
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Post by n7double07 on Dec 5, 2022 23:47:39 GMT
red lyrium doesn't make ghouls or darkspawn And what is the creature in the teaser trailer for you? For me the creature look like a darkspawn from red lyrium. 3:15 It's a darkspawn with red-lyrium growth on it, possibly as a result of the greater spread seen in the trailer. In Inquisition it's shown that red lyrium on its own creates Behemoths and other varieties of creature, not darkspawn.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Dec 6, 2022 1:05:26 GMT
red lyrium doesn't make ghouls or darkspawn And what is the creature in the teaser trailer for you? For me the creature look like a darkspawn from red lyrium. 3:15 Looks like a darkspawn wielding a weapon and wearing armour made from red lyrium. His weapon, helmet, gloves, boots, and pointy should pads all have red on them but his body doesn't. Of course we all know what happened to Meredith when she wielded a red lyrium weapon, so turning into lyrium may still be in that particular darkspawns future. I also imagine that if a darkspawn consumed red lyrium then they would probably turn into a creature like the behemoth that humans turn into when they eat it. Unless already being tainted would render them immune? But I don't see why they would be immune to the lyrium part of red lyrium... Anyway, the early stages of red lyrium corruption look different to the early stages of becoming a ghoul, though i presume that Corypheus controlled at least the late stage red lyrium Templars like horrors and behemoths through the taint in the lyrium, which isn't too dissimilar to how ghouls eventually lose control to the song in the blight. But ghouls don't turn into darkspawn, with the exception of broodmothers they just seem to die eventually (although for all we know the broodmothers all die from the taint eventually too, possibly it just takes longer). And red lyrium corruption eventually kills ya by turning you into crystals, so i don't think you could turn a red lyrium corrupted person into a broodmother. Though I suppose you could try to expose an existing broodmother to red lyrium, to who knows what effect. We know darkspawn are born from broodmother ghouls though we don't know how the original broodmother was made. Whether they were just exposed to the blight or deliberately made (such as in ghilan'nain's lab). We can't even be sure there is an original broodmother mother or whether the darkspawn or something like them just popped through a portal from the void/other dimension and then the song told them to use ghouls to make more of themselves on Thedas. But assuming darkspawn were, well, spawned from an original broodmother on Thedas and the void is just a word for the deep depths below - there is the question of how the first mother was exposed. Can you catch the blight from red lyrium without also being infected with the lyrium part of red lyrium? Using it or consuming it certainly seems to inevitably lead to turning into pretty crystals. But can you get the taint just from being close to red lyrium? Like those peasants one of the the intelligent dark spawn goes around saving in awakenings epilogue slides, leaving taint in its wake? If being near red lyrium has the same risk of taint as being around darkspawn without getting lyrium in your body aswell, then that original ghoul/broodmother could well have been exposed from red lyrium - making corrupted lyrium potentially the place where the blight started. If on the other hand you can't get the blight separately from full red lyrium corruption, then it seems more likely that the taint came from somewhere else and lyrium is just one of many things that can get tainted, which would make it seem unlikely to have tainted the first broodmother because women turn into big ole crystal clusters when corrupted by red lyrium, just like the men.
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Post by n7double07 on Dec 6, 2022 8:44:23 GMT
So judging from this trailer, I'd say I'm correct in thinking June and Sylaise are evil, with the caveat that the trailer drops the big, "depending upon which story you believe." I'd enjoy it if Solas is lying to an extent (about all of them rather than some,) and had some hand in a lot of the dark deeds that took place.
Another point of interest: The headdress of the god above Corypheus in the mural does indeed appear to be Elgar'nan. In the trailer, we see what appear to be the headdresses of the seven locked-away Evanuris. Elgar'nan's icon is presumably the largest and most prominent. However, the upside-down crescent does not seem to be Mythal's since it's up there too.
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Post by n7double07 on Dec 6, 2022 9:23:28 GMT
A couple more observations: We see an overlap between the icons of the Evanuris in the most recent trailer and the symbols around the circle here. Since all but two are dormant, many have taken this to be representative of the Old Gods; now there's stronger evidence for an Old God-Evanuris link. And looking at the overlap, we're also given evidence for an Elgar'nan-Lusacan relationship. I still don't think they're one in the same by any means. To me, this seems to corroborate the theory that the Old Gods are part of what's keeping the Fade metaphysically anchored. Maybe their 'hibernation' is a form of forced dreaming? The same correspondence is present in this mural. The Evanuris are color-coded and Elgar'nan is gold. Any ideas about this?
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