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Post by phoray on Dec 10, 2022 23:12:06 GMT
I always questioned whether sending an undying magister into the Fade was actually a death sentence. I thought it was dumb. Everyone assured me he was actually torn apart and could not be alive in the Fade. Here we are.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 10, 2022 23:15:43 GMT
Everyone assured me he was actually torn apart I also believe in this. Also don´t forget the story of his own archdemon aka pet dragon.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 11, 2022 0:03:36 GMT
Everyone assured me he was actually torn apart Yet the cutscene is a rift opening engulfing his entire body and then closing. He was still making sound when it closed. No part of his body is torn during the process.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Dec 11, 2022 1:00:14 GMT
I was actually excited to hear Meredith's voice. I was like omg she's gonna use the circulum to make a body and then maybe the crimson knight trying to annul Tevinter will be a boss fight  Then i thought of the teaser mural and was like wow thats what it meant.  Then i realised Corypheus was also on the mural and...  not so excited about the idea of him coming back. If so then hopefully we only meet him in the fade - fading and defeated, maybe we finish him off, maybe we get to have the conversation that the Inquisitor never got to have with him and ask him questions about ancient Tevinter and the old gods.
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Post by phoray on Dec 11, 2022 1:53:59 GMT
so then hopefully we only meet him in the fade - fading and defeated Look, if Cory is alive in there, in talkable remnants, that begs the question of the fate of the other person that was left behind, far less violently.
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Post by ellehaym on Dec 11, 2022 21:06:11 GMT
I wonder if those weird red-lyrium zombies we see in an art work years ago are the result of Meredith's using the Circulum?
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 11, 2022 21:30:10 GMT
Anyone getting a bit tired of these uber artifacts? I seem to recall they were originally going to use a special sword to kill the arch-demon but then decided on something a bit more original. The problem I have with over powered magical items is you wonder how anyone was ever defeated in the past. So far there has been: The Calling: An item that could have turned everyone across Thedas into darkspawn. Another item that cured Fiona of the Blight. DA2: The red lyrium idol: Various uses, the main drawback being that it sends you crazy over time. Comic Series 1: the Magrellan: An item powered by blood magic that could potentially mind control the entire population of Thedas. DAI: The Anchor, that can open and close the Veil, and the Orb, that can channel magic and open the Veil. An amulet that allows time travel (requires open Veil to work). Communication crystals (first introduced in Asunder - all Circles apparently had one) (Why don't we use these instead of ravens, at least between our major strongholds?) Comic Series 3: The Sarcophagus that can create lyrium wraiths as super warriors (I thought Fenris' tattoos had been done by hand before this) Netflix Series: the Circullum Infinatum that can raise the dead (with the requisite amount of blood sacrifice) Tevinter Nights: The weird pools in the Deep Roads that create monsters
Have I missed any?
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Post by ellehaym on Dec 11, 2022 21:55:11 GMT
Anyone getting a bit tired of these uber artifacts? I seem to recall they were originally going to use a special sword to kill the arch-demon but then decided on something a bit more original. The problem I have with over powered magical items is you wonder how anyone was ever defeated in the past. So far there has been: The Calling: An item that could have turned everyone across Thedas into darkspawn. Another item that cured Fiona of the Blight. DA2: The red lyrium idol: Various uses, the main drawback being that it sends you crazy over time. Comic Series 1: the Magrellan: An item powered by blood magic that could potentially mind control the entire population of Thedas. DAI: The Anchor, that can open and close the Veil, and the Orb, that can channel magic and open the Veil. An amulet that allows time travel (requires open Veil to work). Communication crystals (first introduced in Asunder - all Circles apparently had one) (Why don't we use these instead of ravens, at least between our major strongholds?) Comic Series 3: The Sarcophagus that can create lyrium wraiths as super warriors (I thought Fenris' tattoos had been done by hand before this) Netflix Series: the Circullum Infinatum that can raise the dead (with the requisite amount of blood sacrifice) Tevinter Nights: The weird pools in the Deep Roads that create monsters Have I missed any? Alistair's comic series had the Magrallen that was used to extract and concentrate Theirin Great Dragon blood Dragon Age: Redemption had the Mask of Fen'Harel The internet short story had a glass or crystal Halla statue Probably more that I missed too
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Post by dayze on Dec 11, 2022 22:09:14 GMT
so then hopefully we only meet him in the fade - fading and defeated Look, if Cory is alive in there, in talkable remnants, that begs the question of the fate of the other person that was left behind, far less violently. Think we are going to get a nightmare-possessed Hawke?
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Post by dayze on Dec 11, 2022 22:20:32 GMT
Anyone getting a bit tired of these uber artifacts? I seem to recall they were originally going to use a special sword to kill the arch-demon but then decided on something a bit more original. The problem I have with over powered magical items is you wonder how anyone was ever defeated in the past. So far there has been: The Calling: An item that could have turned everyone across Thedas into darkspawn. Another item that cured Fiona of the Blight. DA2: The red lyrium idol: Various uses, the main drawback being that it sends you crazy over time. Comic Series 1: the Magrellan: An item powered by blood magic that could potentially mind control the entire population of Thedas. DAI: The Anchor, that can open and close the Veil, and the Orb, that can channel magic and open the Veil. An amulet that allows time travel (requires open Veil to work). Communication crystals (first introduced in Asunder - all Circles apparently had one) (Why don't we use these instead of ravens, at least between our major strongholds?) Comic Series 3: The Sarcophagus that can create lyrium wraiths as super warriors (I thought Fenris' tattoos had been done by hand before this) Netflix Series: the Circullum Infinatum that can raise the dead (with the requisite amount of blood sacrifice) Tevinter Nights: The weird pools in the Deep Roads that create monsters Have I missed any? The spirit forge in DAO that created dwarven warriors? I mean if you can just pump out a seemingly endless swarm of warriors whenever the need arises I honestly don't see how the Darkspawn could be that much trouble, just put a couple of these around the gate of every city and there you go. As for Super-Warriors: Depending on how you want to throw it, you got Reavers, templars, Golems, The Living Armors/Sentries in the circle, Werewolves, undead entities/summons of various type, Supposedly the crows do some weird ceremonies and rituals before a mission if I remember correctly........honestly kind of a dime-a-dozen at this point. Most likely going to get some kind of hybrid monster chimera sea-based creatures, wouldn't be surprised if we get a "Geralt/Witcher" hybrid-humanoid character. Well we know coming up Solas is going to get some kind of super-orb and do a Meteor-Summon attack, maybe a little of that laser death-beam used by the other Elven God.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 12, 2022 8:30:53 GMT
As for Super-Warriors: Depending on how you want to throw it, you got Reavers, templars, Golems, It is not the fact that we have these but how they are created. Reavers need to drink dragon blood, so first of all you need to find a dragon and then subdue it. Templars need to have training, plus in the south drink lyrium, which destroys their mind over time, so there are limitations. Golems need the Anvil of the Void (another item I forgot about) but also living dwarves to use in a horrific procedure. Again, this places limits on its use. The items I am talking about are where there seems very little restriction on their potential and apparently no downside for the user. The Anchor eventually starts to go haywire but Solas maintains that is because we weren't meant to have it and he would have had no problem. The item that could have converted everyone to darkspawn or the Magrellan that could mind control the entire world seem ludicrously over-powered if the possessor had managed to use them successfully. How is it even possible to create such an item? Ditto the amulet that allows time travel? Now admittedly there does seem to be a limit on the Circullum in the form of the quantity of blood needed but it does seem odd that its creator never used it. If they had moral objections to the degree of sacrifice needed, why make it dependent on blood magic at all? If the blood magic aspect didn't bother them, why didn't they use it? If they did, why had we never heard of it up to now? Mind you, I can think of a connection between the creation of the Circullum and the Mortalitasi. All those carefully preserved bodies of ancient heroes in the Grand Necropolis and the Nevarran obsession with hunting down dragons, the blood of which can fuel the spell. Dorian's family also seemed to have a close connection with the Mortalitasi as he was taken there as a child by his family, not to mention his own specialism and friendship with the trainer in Necromancy. Not suspicious at all. 
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Post by Iddy on Dec 12, 2022 16:59:23 GMT
Too bad Greg Elliot went off the deep end. There was a huge opportunity with Cullen to deal with some of his PTSD with Meredith being back and providing a pivotal role in bringing her down - his true atonement, of sorts. Would make more sence to connect Cullen with finally killing Meredith than Varric but i also won´t want to use Cullen ever again because of the issues of his english!!! voice actor Greg Ellis. Maybe if Ellis won´t had went mad they would used him for the show in season 2 but this won´t happen either. But i would love to see Aveline and (yes crazy from me to say this i know i know  ) but also Varric because it would make sense that he would appear as Kirkwalls viscount. Ellis Greg's only mistake was breaking professional etiquette, which is obviously unwise. But that doesn't make him Hitler by any means.
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Post by helios969 on Dec 13, 2022 5:56:11 GMT
Well with big twist in Absolution Meredith lives. Does this also mean that Corypheus isn´t that dead? I guess he was never dead but more looked for a long time in pieces in the fade. I also comment in the Varric thread about this and i think that Corypheus is along with Meredith returning as villians for Dreadwolf. Or as a crazy twist unlikely allies against the Dreadwolf aka Solas.
I guess this promo art has more meaning than we that thought.  I haven't seen this before...is it new? Let's see...we have Meredith and Corypheus...Solas with what I'd interpret as the "golden city" (blackened) which would make the two inverted figures magisters that violated the city? The two remaining old gods? That Cory and Meredith are on opposing sides could be a fight evil with evil sort of thing (which would be a nice contrast to Inquisition)...of course we'll get to fight 'em all in the end. That's a fairly tantalizing piece of art.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 13, 2022 6:50:36 GMT
Well with big twist in Absolution Meredith lives. Does this also mean that Corypheus isn´t that dead? I guess he was never dead but more looked for a long time in pieces in the fade. I also comment in the Varric thread about this and i think that Corypheus is along with Meredith returning as villians for Dreadwolf. Or as a crazy twist unlikely allies against the Dreadwolf aka Solas.
I guess this promo art has more meaning than we that thought.  I haven't seen this before...is it new? Let's see...we have Meredith and Corypheus...Solas with what I'd interpret as the "golden city" (blackened) which would make the two inverted figures magisters that violated the city? The two remaining old gods? That Cory and Meredith are on opposing sides could be a fight evil with evil sort of thing (which would be a nice contrast to Inquisition)...of course we'll get to fight 'em all in the end. That's a fairly tantalizing piece of art. The upside down figures most believe are Evanuris since their crowns match symbols we’ve seen attributed to the Elven Gods.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 13, 2022 8:38:22 GMT
That Cory and Meredith are on opposing sides could be a fight evil with evil sort of thing (which would be a nice contrast to Inquisition)...of course we'll get to fight 'em all in the end. Whilst it could be a case of misinformation to keep us guessing, Bioware have denied that anything in Absolution is connected to DA:D. In which case, Meredith and Cory are what they appeared to be, representations of former enemies that Varric's friends had to deal with where they lost "life and limb". I must admit, though, that is not entirely correct with Meredith, as Varric's principle friend, Hawke, didn't die in that confrontation or lose a limb. Any death was associated with Cory. Also the Herald didn't lose either life or limb to Cory, except indirectly losing a limb because of acquiring the anchor from him. There is another way to interpret the positioning of the figures. The god on the left, above Meredith, was responsible for the creation of red lyrium or the idol, whilst the god on the right, above Cory, was responsible for the creation of the foci/orbs. Whilst Solas gave "his" orb to Cory, that doesn't necessarily mean he made the orb himself. According to Dorian, he saw orbs in pictures of the ancient dreamers in Minrathous and the priesthood of Razikale were definitely using foci of some sort (possibly lesser orbs) in their ritual in the Frostback Basin, yet there seems no evidence of Tevinter having the knowledge to create them for themselves or surely there would be orbs still in circulation in modern day Tevinter. Thus, it seems more likely that they were using items plundered from elven ruins (as Solas suggested to Dorian). So, one of the ancient elven gods, probably June but possibly Dirthamen, came up with the technique of creating them. If the latter, it would certainly explain why the technique never went further than him or his priesthood, since he was the god of secrets.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 13, 2022 19:31:36 GMT
cuthbertbeckett ; Okay, having been reminded of something from Trespasser concerning Meredith's statue in a video by Saria, I will concede that there is a mystery concerning the whereabouts of Meredith. The codex says that the clean up of the Gallows was completed with the removal of Meredith's statue from the courtyard. The City Guard even composed a song to celebrate this. However, there is no mention of where it was taken. Fast forward to Tevinter Nights. In the Assassin's tale, the Carta dwarf talks of going to a square to find the statue. This would sort of fit with the location we see at the end of Absolution, which is sort of square. He also mentions how it no longer looks like a human anymore but just a lump of crystal. That also fits with what we see in Absolution. So, I wonder if they removed the idol from the lump before or after the time in which Absolution is set? It could certainly be the case that removing the idol freed up Meredith from whatever hold it had on her, so she could communicate once more. Otherwise, another possibility could be that even if the Circullum doesn't make it there or fails to revive her, if the idol was removed after this, then Meredith went with it. So, Solas could have a hidden enemy travelling with him once he recovers the statue. idol.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 13, 2022 21:32:37 GMT
Otherwise, another possibility could be that even if the Circullum doesn't make it there or fails to revive her, if the idol was removed after this, then Meredith went with it. So, Solas could have a hidden enemy travelling with him once he recovers the statue. Having Meredith be a surprise ally who stabs Solas in the back by surprise would be kind of awesome.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 14, 2022 8:35:04 GMT
Having Meredith be a surprise ally who stabs Solas in the back by surprise would be kind of awesome. Well it would be a twist and he definitely wouldn't have seen her coming.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 14, 2022 10:29:28 GMT
So, I thought Knight Errant was after Trespasser but in the comic Meredith is still in the Gallows. So, the writers had obviously forgotten about or not read the Varric codex. Alternatively, since they were in the city to celebrate Varric being made Viscount, then presumably that could have been before we saw him in Trespasser since he was already Viscount there. It would also explain Charter acting on behalf of the Inquisition, since that was also still running at that time. However, it does make for very tight timescales since Vaea then travels north to Qarinus/Ventus where the Antaam attack, which definitely takes place after Trespasser. Also, as I pointed out at the time, Vaea being given an amulet in Hasmal (in Tevinter Nights) whilst on her way north, doesn't fit the timeline since the invasion had already begun, so I think it is best to ignore that one. 
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Post by Iddy on Dec 14, 2022 12:47:30 GMT
So, I thought Knight Errant was after Trespasser but in the comic Meredith is still in the Gallows. So, the writers had obviously forgotten about or not read the Varric codex. Alternatively, since they were in the city to celebrate Varric being made Viscount, then presumably that could have been before we saw him in Trespasser since he was already Viscount there. It would also explain Charter acting on behalf of the Inquisition, since that was also still running at that time. However, it does make for very tight timescales since Vaea then travels north to Qarinus/Ventus where the Antaam attack, which definitely takes place after Trespasser. Also, as I pointed out at the time, Vaea being given an amulet in Hasmal (in Tevinter Nights) whilst on her way north, doesn't fit the timeline since the invasion had already begun, so I think it is best to ignore that one.  nunziodefilippis might help, if he is still around.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 14, 2022 19:01:07 GMT
I found this on the Wiki Knight Errant page under trivia: According to Nunzio DeFilippis and Mike Laidlaw, the comic takes place in 9:44 Dragon[3], some time after Trespasser. The appearance of Knight-Commander Meredith's statue in the Gallows Courtyard (instead of in the Black Emporium) was an editing error.[4]
So, according to that the statue was taken to the Black Emporium. (People mention seeing her there: when exactly?) This is crazy because it would mean that the events in Dread Wolf Take You had to have occurred before the statue was removed from the Gallows, in other words before the events of Trespasser. It also means that Absolution would have to have taken place before Trespasser too, although the area Meredith was in looked nothing like the Gallows courtyard. I suppose the alternative would be that someone gained access to the Black Emporium and either did a deal with Xenon or stole it. Did someone mention that one of the writers said the statue in the Black Emporium was a copy and not the real thing?
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Post by Croatsky on Dec 15, 2022 11:10:24 GMT
Coryphious is likely horrifically maimed and stuck somewhere in the Fade.
It is possible he will at least have some sort of cameo, maybe even BioWare giving some justice to his character. His concept was great, but due to limited resources, they had to scrap showing more of his background. But we shall see.
It's more likely for him to survive than, well, Meredith.
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Post by Iddy on Dec 15, 2022 12:47:35 GMT
I was actually excited to hear Meredith's voice. I was like omg she's gonna use the circulum to make a body and then maybe the crimson knight trying to annul Tevinter will be a boss fight  Then i thought of the teaser mural and was like wow thats what it meant.  Then i realised Corypheus was also on the mural and...  not so excited about the idea of him coming back. If so then hopefully we only meet him in the fade - fading and defeated, maybe we finish him off, maybe we get to have the conversation that the Inquisitor never got to have with him and ask him questions about ancient Tevinter and the old gods. Only writer pets get to return more than once and Corypheus is nobody's favorite.
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Post by Iddy on Dec 15, 2022 12:49:40 GMT
Otherwise, another possibility could be that even if the Circullum doesn't make it there or fails to revive her, if the idol was removed after this, then Meredith went with it. So, Solas could have a hidden enemy travelling with him once he recovers the statue. Having Meredith be a surprise ally who stabs Solas in the back by surprise would be kind of awesome. We find people he doesn't know
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Post by nunziodefilippis on Dec 31, 2022 17:36:38 GMT
So, I thought Knight Errant was after Trespasser but in the comic Meredith is still in the Gallows. So, the writers had obviously forgotten about or not read the Varric codex. Alternatively, since they were in the city to celebrate Varric being made Viscount, then presumably that could have been before we saw him in Trespasser since he was already Viscount there. It would also explain Charter acting on behalf of the Inquisition, since that was also still running at that time. However, it does make for very tight timescales since Vaea then travels north to Qarinus/Ventus where the Antaam attack, which definitely takes place after Trespasser. Also, as I pointed out at the time, Vaea being given an amulet in Hasmal (in Tevinter Nights) whilst on her way north, doesn't fit the timeline since the invasion had already begun, so I think it is best to ignore that one.  nunziodefilippis might help, if he is still around. Still around from time to time. When we wrote this, we wrote it understanding that this was the story in which Varric officially becomes Viscount. So, as we wrote it, the events of this story take place just before the Exalted Council. Thus, I believe when Mike Laidlaw referred to an error, he referred to the fact that this was advertised/discussed as taking place just AFTER Trespasser. All miniseries after Knight Errant are after Trespasser, however, as the travel between Knight Errant and Deception is meant to take some time - more time than it takes for Varric to get to the Exalted Council and the events of Trespasser to play out. Now, the plans at Bioware changed as we were writing our various miniseries, so the specifics we had to work with might have changed a bit. But we were specifically asked to mention/show the statue in the courtyard - specifically to set up that it was empty handed. Again, the reasons for asking us that likely changed over time. So the best way to smooth over timeline hiccups is to assume that IF it went to the Black Emporium, it did so after Knight Errant but before Trespasser's codex entry. Not sure what that does for Absolution, though, so it may be better to assume that she wasn't moved to the Emporium and that the reference is no longer valid, or the Emporium was displaying a fake. Unfortunately, I don't have any more inside information than the rest of you with regards to Absolution and Dreadwolf, so I'm not much help - I'm left to piece it together too.
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