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Post by Nightlife on Jan 12, 2023 21:30:14 GMT
I started a new run and am trying to go Renegade, but damn, Shep so far is a d*ck. On Eden Prime, he pulls a gun on those settlers to get them to cough up more goods. It sure didnt make me feel heroic. I think I'm going back to my usual Paragon Shep. All my runs so far have been all Paragon with a couple of Renegade choices but not many, so was trying to branch out, but i think my experiment failed.
Do you guys enjoy doing Renegade? Or maybe some other mix between the two? I usually like being the "good guy" but was trying something different and as I said it was a bit off-putting.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 12, 2023 21:38:26 GMT
If you want to do something new then do a mix between the two. Personally I found doing a full paragon Shep dull as hell while doing a full renegade boring.
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Post by Nightlife on Jan 12, 2023 21:42:17 GMT
If you want to do something new then do a mix between the two. Personally I found doing a full paragon Shep dull as hell while doing a full renegade boring. My only issue with that is that I wouldn't be able to do some charm or renegade checks in ME1/ME2 if I mix and match, no? Can you also give me an example where your Shep might be Paragon - and where they might go Renegade? The idea of a mix is interesting if I can somehow get certain dialogue checks to work still...
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 12, 2023 21:47:35 GMT
If you want to do something new then do a mix between the two. Personally I found doing a full paragon Shep dull as hell while doing a full renegade boring. My only issue with that is that I wouldn't be able to do some charm or renegade checks in ME1/ME2 if I mix and match, no? Can you also give me an example where your Shep might be Paragon - and where they might go Renegade? The idea of a mix is interesting if I can somehow get certain dialogue checks to work still... With ME1 it doesn't matter because charm and intimate are apart of Shep's skill tree (unless it changed in the legendary edition). ME2 on the other hand is tricky, it's best to stick to one while doing the the other as minimal as possible.
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Post by talyn82 on Jan 12, 2023 22:16:53 GMT
I mostly play Paragon but I do sprinkle in some Renegade choices when the situation demands it. For example in LE1 when rescuing Liara and the Krogan captor is giving his monologue while the whole place is coming down. In this case I chose the renegade option. Also in LE2 when looking for Maelon there is another Krogan who gives a long winded monologue and I choose the renegade option to blow the gas pipe above him. But for the most past I am good to my allies and always help those in need.
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Post by Nightlife on Jan 13, 2023 8:19:41 GMT
How do u play your Renegades? Always bottom right/left convo option? I want to pick neutral a lot of the time but it doesn't give me any Renegade points in ME1 at least.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 13, 2023 12:16:03 GMT
How do u play your Renegades? Always bottom right/left convo option? I want to pick neutral a lot of the time but it doesn't give me any Renegade points in ME1 at least. When I play renegade, it's full renegade, but there have been a few times where I would choose the middle option. Look at Eden Prime. Wrex being killed doesn't give any renegade points depending on dialogue chosen. At the end Shepard can choose to focus on the reaper giving both blue and red. ME2 is great. Do a playthrough without choosing red or blue. You get some interesting results. ME3...let's just say it lacked interrupt's. Some of the stuff in the trilogy that give renegade points I don't agree with. I look at sabotaging the genophage as paragon. Letting the council is paragon. I have done a paragon playthrough that was worse than a red playthrough. This is one of things that makes the trilogy great. The player can do x number of things different from a previous playthrough. A lot of replay value If you're curious how much damage Shepard can do, click on the link in my signature.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 17, 2023 21:52:57 GMT
If you want to do something new then do a mix between the two. Personally I found doing a full paragon Shep dull as hell while doing a full renegade boring. The problem was ME2 where you had to have just the right balance to get outcomes you want with Miranda/Jack and Tali/Legion. It prevented you from just being a badass and shutting them the hell down even if you made some paragon or renegade decisions that were opposite of the general tone of the character. I realize this is less of an issue in the LE but it's still there.
That said, I agree that full Paragon can get dull in repetition. Over time, my Shepard has added an increased number of Renegade choices. Nothing like shooting friends in the back but still a little darker. I will never not like smack talking Mikhailovich. He's an egotistical ass and has no idea he's got a match in Shepard - a Spectre by this time, I believe.
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Post by Nightlife on Jan 20, 2023 5:19:57 GMT
So I'm still doing Renegade intimidate checks - and im noticing the game is mostly playing as doing Paragon Charm checks. I'm just more about threats to get my way. I haven't been killing more people. Like, I intimidated Helena Black to quit the gang. I guess I should be more bloodthirsty? I also let Fist go. I've got a big decision coming up with the Rachni Queen. One question I have is: if u kill the Queen and the Council - is there "less" content in the next games since they aren't there? Is it still satisfying to make those kind of choices?
In general I like more content (like saving everyone on the SM in ME2) - guess I could let a couple die and see what happens but that'll be hard for me to do...
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Post by Guardian on Jan 20, 2023 5:59:40 GMT
One of the problems Renegade faces throughout the trilogy is that it loses it's identity - it goes from being someone who's a bit more authoritative in ME 1, to a xenophobic d-bag, back to something that falls a bit...in between. dmc1001 is correct - Paragon does get a bit repetitive and dull, and it's possible as you play, you might find yourself pulling a few Renegade interrupts or choices as you progress.
The thing is - depending on who you ask on this forum, you'll either get a, "Yes, Renegade is a sociopath!" (which....depending on the game, they're not wrong), to "No, they're doing what's right!" (again...depending on the game...your interpretation of "right" may vary). In the end, play your Shep how you want to.
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Post by Nightlife on Jan 20, 2023 7:48:01 GMT
I'm struggling that I don't feel "heroic" with Renegade choices at least in ME1. I've played the OT many times as Paragon cause I want to feel like a hero. Trying Renegade is tough (I'm sure I'm not alone.) Maybe a Paragade or Renegon is better...
P.S. I just COULDN'T kill the Rachni Queen even if I've been going more Renegade :/
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Post by talyn82 on Jan 20, 2023 9:39:09 GMT
I'm struggling that I don't feel "heroic" with Renegade choices at least in ME1. I've played the OT many times as Paragon cause I want to feel like a hero. Trying Renegade is tough (I'm sure I'm not alone.) Maybe a Paragade or Renegon is better... P.S. I just COULDN'T kill the Rachni Queen even if I've been going more Renegade :/ You're not the only one who struggles with being a douche to everyone. Since KOTOR 1 back in 2003 I've not been able to be evil in games that allow it. Don't get me wrong I don't mind threatening villains or be dickish towards them. But innocents and especially the good aligned companions/squadmates I never talk down to.
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Post by trinity0 on Jan 20, 2023 17:25:25 GMT
I'm struggling that I don't feel "heroic" with Renegade choices at least in ME1. I've played the OT many times as Paragon cause I want to feel like a hero. Trying Renegade is tough (I'm sure I'm not alone.) Maybe a Paragade or Renegon is better... P.S. I just COULDN'T kill the Rachni Queen even if I've been going more Renegade :/ You're not the only one who struggles with being a douche to everyone. Since KOTOR 1 back in 2003 I've not been able to be evil in games that allow it. Don't get me wrong I don't mind threatening villains or be dickish towards them. But innocents and especially the good aligned companions/squadmates I never talk down to. I agree. Getting Zalbaar to kill Mission is one of the most horrible things you can do in a game
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Post by RedCaesar97 on Jan 20, 2023 18:51:05 GMT
I don't think they ever quite nailed what "Renegade" was supposed to be. At times Renegade does feel like you are being a d*ck to some people. Other times -- when it works well -- it feels like a gruff or "no-nonsense" Shepard. Renegade also seems the more logical choice to bend or break the rules, and therefore more logically will steal the Normandy (much more so than Paragon, which comes across as trying really hard to justify their actions when talking to Garrus). Charm and Intimidate options generally lead to the same outcome (a few times the Intimidate option will kill someone), just different flavors of persuasion. Renegade usually yells or insults more than Paragon. Also Conrad really deserves to have a gun pulled on him. P.S. I just COULDN'T kill the Rachni Queen even if I've been going more Renegade :/ Killing the Rachni Queen in ME1 makes for a really easy choice in ME3: Kill the Reaper-bred surrogate queen and Grunt's squad (Aralahk Company) gets to live. Whenever I play a mix of Paragon and Renegade, killing the queen is my most common go-to Renegade option.
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Post by talyn82 on Jan 20, 2023 19:34:51 GMT
I agree. Getting Bowdaar to kill Mission is one of the most horrible things you can do in a game Oh, that scene forever broke me I had to immediately start a new game on the lightside.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jan 20, 2023 19:45:43 GMT
I'm struggling that I don't feel "heroic" with Renegade choices at least in ME1. I've played the OT many times as Paragon cause I want to feel like a hero. Trying Renegade is tough (I'm sure I'm not alone.) Maybe a Paragade or Renegon is better... P.S. I just COULDN'T kill the Rachni Queen even if I've been going more Renegade :/ If it's any consolation, IMO, Shepard is the most randomly dick-ish in ME1.
In ME2, you can make some truely evil choices as well but it seems more on point, whereas in ME1 it sometimes feels like renegade Shep is just running around randomly yelling at people, taking them by the scruff of their neck or punching them in the face. The absurdity of some of the renegade scenes in ME1 is perfectly ortrayed in the parody fanfiction Mock Effect by the way. In ME3, I felt that most renegade choices work really well, mainly because of the context of the war.
Oh, and if you ahd trouble with the Rachni queen then I have to ask, have you been to Feros yet? Because killing Shiala is the most pointless casual murder. I have only done it once with a complete and utter asshole Shep and never again. She just doesn't deserve to die.
One more tip for ME2 by the way: When the time comes ni Thane's RM, do NOT throw the merc out of the window. IMO, the renegade persuasion line Shep gets t say if you don't throw him out is way better.
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Post by Nightlife on Jan 20, 2023 20:11:13 GMT
I actually was about to open my TSE and convert all my renegade points into paragon but I'll try to resist doing that. I'm getting the sense that I might like Renegade more in ME2/ME3 where Shep seems to come off as more "tough" and not a prick. There's kinda no payoff though for mixing and matching Para and Rene right? it just gimps your persuasion checks usually?
I'd like to bring up the Rachni Queen again. I can go back and kill her or edit my save file to do so - Liara got upset with me when I was going to last time and I didn't want to upset her so I ended up letting the Queen live. I'm afraid my squadmates might not like me if I do certain things. Also, I assume if you kill her, her Asari surrogate on Illium. So, less content in other words. Not that that encounter adds a lot, of course. I feel like if I'm doing intimidate checks and Renegade convo choices, I SHOULD be killing the Queen and the Council right? Or...?
Regarding the Council, I almost always save them except for once. Does the game work well from ME2 to ME3 if they are dead? Is the new Council interesting? Yes they kind of suck since they don't believe Shep until ME3 I admit. I have been Disconnecting them so far in ME1 which they don't like.
Also, I doubt I can kill Wrex in ME1. On that note, I'm not sure I can let anyone die in the SM in ME2 either - I hate having less content.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jan 21, 2023 3:33:14 GMT
I actually was about to open my TSE and convert all my renegade points into paragon but I'll try to resist doing that. I'm getting the sense that I might like Renegade more in ME2/ME3 where Shep seems to come off as more "tough" and not a prick. There's kinda no payoff though for mixing and matching Para and Rene right? it just gimps your persuasion checks usually? I'd like to bring up the Rachni Queen again. I can go back and kill her or edit my save file to do so - Liara got upset with me when I was going to last time and I didn't want to upset her so I ended up letting the Queen live. I'm afraid my squadmates might not like me if I do certain things. Also, I assume if you kill her, her Asari surrogate on Illium. So, less content in other words. Not that that encounter adds a lot, of course. I feel like if I'm doing intimidate checks and Renegade convo choices, I SHOULD be killing the Queen and the Council right? Or...? Regarding the Council, I almost always save them except for once. Does the game work well from ME2 to ME3 if they are dead? Is the new Council interesting? Yes they kind of suck since they don't believe Shep until ME3 I admit. I have been Disconnecting them so far in ME1 which they don't like. Also, I doubt I can kill Wrex in ME1. On that note, I'm not sure I can let anyone die in the SM in ME2 either - I hate having less content. Just my 2 cents here: - Don't mess with your save. I have never done it myself but I'd be worried to screw things up by changing variables. A lot of them are interdependent and unless you are very sure what you are doing, it can lead to issues quickly. Also, You can still act renegade in all future scenes concerning the queen in ME2/3.
- However, if you are in a position to use a save editor, I can recommend cheating yourself a bunch of extra paragon/renegade points at the beginning of ME2. The only thing it changes is that it will unlock the persuasion options, so you can choose more freely without worrying about lockouts. No one will judge you. This is only necessary in ME2. ME3 always unlocks paragon/renegade options equally with enough "reputation", so you shouldn't run into issues there.
- I'd recommend to keep Wrex alive in ME1 (you can renegade persuade him on Virmire or just get his armor). There is some good renegade content with him in ME2/3 and te Citadel DLC in particular which IMO would be a shame to miss out on on a renegade PT. - The Council will work either way. I guess a full-on renegade Shep would let them die. I however saved them on my last renegade run. It's just more fun with the history you have wiith them in ME2/3 that way IMO. But things do work well either way.
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Post by Nightlife on Jan 21, 2023 5:01:30 GMT
I decided to go back and kill the Rachni Queen despite Liara's protests. Honestly, this decision isn't too crazy. I'm still debating about what I'm gonna do with the Council. I read that people react to you badly in me2/me3 if u wipe the Council out...?
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Post by fraggle on Jan 21, 2023 13:06:14 GMT
I had trouble playing a full Renegade since I started playing and have never done so. I will soon, but he also will have his reasons for it I totally recommend playing a Renegon though, or Paragade first, which could be preparing you for more Renegadey playthroughs and explore Renegade answers. I like playing my more Renegade-ish Shepards to be more hardened, but they've never been "dicks" so far. I avoid all actions that seem dumb, like punching Manuel in ME1, or some others in ME1. I would also recommend to reload and see if the Paragon or Renegade choice fits better (Youtube might also help with that). I used to do that in the beginning because I never knew what Shepard would say and it was interesting to see how a dialogue could go, as the paraphrasing often isn't the best to understand what will be said. Sometimes I even prefer the normal answers (which still provide you Renegade and Paragon points) instead of the blue and red ones. My last very Renegade-y Shepard was a tough Soldier, but she cared about saving people, too. But she totally called out bullshit on others. So like a "gentle" Renegade. Still caring, but punishing those who deserve it. I really hate btw how they have written killing off the rachni queen. In ME3, a lot of the Renegade options are quite good and I liked many of these. Not all of course, but hence you could really experiment One of my fav runs so far was a Shepard (Colonist) who was suspicious of aliens, but grew over the trilogy to see that there are good and bad aliens everywhere, just like with humans.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jan 21, 2023 16:23:02 GMT
I started a new run and am trying to go Renegade, but damn, Shep so far is a d*ck. On Eden Prime, he pulls a gun on those settlers to get them to cough up more goods. It sure didnt make me feel heroic. I think I'm going back to my usual Paragon Shep. All my runs so far have been all Paragon with a couple of Renegade choices but not many, so was trying to branch out, but i think my experiment failed. Do you guys enjoy doing Renegade? Or maybe some other mix between the two? I usually like being the "good guy" but was trying something different and as I said it was a bit off-putting.
Pretty much yeah renegade Shepard is a dick in ME1 and if you go 100% renegade in all three game Shepard is a completely 100% irredeemably cold hearted evil bastard in ME3.
As a general rule I tend to play Shepard as 75% paragon and 25% renegade. My Shepard doesn't like the corrupt C-Sec Harkin and she lets Garrus shoot him in the leg in ME2 or punch the quarian admiral in the gut in ME3 or make some snide comments to the rear admiral in ME1. She won't punch the reporter in ME1 instead she stands her ground and makes her look like raving idiot, and tells her off in ME2. She shoves a merc out of the window or smacking that crime lord and she's not above killing that corrupt bigoted turian politician (although she tends not too) in ME2 or letting the retired captain kill the traitor after the coup in ME3.
Some of it is how I feel in the moment when I get there and some of it just feels like what Shepard would do (I've always punched the quarian admiral).
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 21, 2023 18:08:35 GMT
ME2 is great. Do a playthrough without choosing red or blue. You get some interesting results. Now that sounds interesting. Has it changed in LE? I ask because the requirements to get the right balance with Tali/Legion and Miranda/Jack (assuming you don't want to lose the loyalty of any of them) were lessened in LE.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 21, 2023 18:11:12 GMT
Pretty much yeah renegade Shepard is a dick in ME1 and if you go 100% renegade in all three game Shepard is a completely 100% irredeemably cold hearted evil bastard in ME3. Is that necessarily so? I remember starting a clean ME3 run where I decided he'd been 100% Renegade in the prior games and was now having a change of heart after thinking about it for six months while in the "brig" on Earth. From then on he became Paragon in his choices. It was pretty interesting but I wouldn't say he was considered irredeemable.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 21, 2023 19:09:36 GMT
ME2 is great. Do a playthrough without choosing red or blue. You get some interesting results. Now that sounds interesting. Has it changed in LE? I ask because the requirements to get the right balance with Tali/Legion and Miranda/Jack (assuming you don't want to lose the loyalty of any of them) were lessened in LE. I have not completed a playthrough like that with the remaster. I doubt anything has changed.
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