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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 30, 2024 21:48:03 GMT
I haven't watched the video in EBs post above - about to do that now - but here is another
I only discovered this guy a couple of days ago - he did a conversation video with WolfheartFPS about where they currently sit with regards to DAVe - and thought he had a nice balance of optimism and pessimism. No idea where he sits on the professional to wailing about 'wokeness' spectrum, but this video is fairly sane.
I have to say; the auto fail on missions for breaking stealth, and the reload mechanism sound super annoying.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Jul 30, 2024 21:55:46 GMT
The world design is by far the most impressive. Mission design and writing I'm unsure about. The obvious weak point that I see is combat and AI. It looks pretty bad.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 30, 2024 22:06:09 GMT
A really cool in-depth gameplay breakdown of the recent gameplay that was released Ok - they were definitely more enthusiastic than my guy Focus was on different things, but that's fine. Good to know from the video I posted that it isn't Far Cry Star Wars. Customisation looks cool. Overall, these two videos haven't hugely shifted the needle for me, but I am a bit bummed about the stealth fails (reloading is weird, but I guess I'll deal).
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 30, 2024 23:09:55 GMT
And this from one of the two YT reviewers I do actually follow;
So that's three thumbs up for the Reputation system, from videos that were mostly positive, mostly negative and very middle of the road.
Interesting at the 15 minute mark - "really felt like Star Wars..." for "someone who is sick of the Jedi/Sith/Force User" aspect of SW games.
I am starting to revise my thoughts - this isn't Star Wars Far Cry (clearly), but maybe it also isn't Star Wars Assassins Creed - seems like it might closer to Star Wars Thief. I could buy in to that.
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Post by dazk on Jul 30, 2024 23:50:55 GMT
I haven't watched the video in EBs post above - about to do that now - but here is another I only discovered this guy a couple of days ago - he did a conversation video with WolfheartFPS about where they currently sit with regards to DAVe - and thought he had a nice balance of optimism and pessimism. No idea where he sits on the professional to wailing about 'wokeness' spectrum, but this video is fairly sane. I have to say; the auto fail on missions for breaking stealth, and the reload mechanism sound super annoying. "I have to say; the auto fail on missions for breaking stealth, and the reload mechanism sound super annoying." Oh god that brings back bad flash backs from the earlier AC games, that will be a major deterrent for me if that is a widely used mechanic. I didn't get past the start of the AC 3 remaster because of that BS. So just watched the whole video. Lockpicking = me no play The stupid reload system = me no play Aforementioned stealth fail = me no play And I was so close to getting it.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jul 31, 2024 3:08:39 GMT
Ghost of Tsushima has some atealth mechanics like that: "Do NOT raise alaarm"....you cant let anyone knkw yoyre there. I actually kinda lije that. It's different. It was hard at first, but there's always a way, a way around everything and everyone. A specific path to take that ensures cover. And once you find that, it turns out to be not as hard as you thought.
I think along with everything else, they maybe just wanted to add some variety to the gameplay and a spin on the usual stealth type gameplay.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jul 31, 2024 3:11:41 GMT
So... both your comment and this Red Dead comparison... is it a good thing? Im confused. Never having played Red Dead Redwmption I dont know how to take this. Can you elaborate please?
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 31, 2024 3:19:11 GMT
So... both your comment and this Red Dead comparison... is it a good thing? Im confused. Never having played Red Dead Redwmption I dont know how to take this. Can you elaborate please? From my perspective - and this reviewer could, of course, be overselling it or misrepresenting it - yes. A very good thing. Red Dead Redemption 2 (I acknowledge the reviewer was talking about the first RDR, but the basics are the same, like the basics of every GTA game are the same) is one of only two games I've been moved to review on Steam.
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Post by dazk on Jul 31, 2024 3:32:03 GMT
Ghost of Tsushima has some atealth mechanics like that: "Do NOT raise alaarm"....you cant let anyone knkw yoyre there. I actually kinda lije that. It's different. It was hard at first, but there's always a way, a way around everything and everyone. A specific path to take that ensures cover. And once you find that, it turns out to be not as hard as you thought. I think along with everything else, they maybe just wanted to add some variety to the gameplay and a spin on the usual stealth type gameplay. Yeah there is a fair bit in the AC games, but they changed it from being insta fail to OH WELL you have to fight the whole fort. You could also prioritise disabling the alarm and that would stop the reinforcements coming.
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Post by dazk on Jul 31, 2024 3:33:41 GMT
So... both your comment and this Red Dead comparison... is it a good thing? Im confused. Never having played Red Dead Redwmption I dont know how to take this. Can you elaborate please? From my perspective - and this reviewer could, of course, be overselling it or misrepresenting it - yes. A very good thing. Red Dead Redemption 2 (I acknowledge the reviewer was talking about the first RDR, but the basics are the same, like the basics of every GTA game are the same) is one of only two games I've been moved to review on Steam. I have RDR2 to play in my library but have always been put off from the length and that the start is supposed to be tedious. Never played the first it had zero appeal to me.
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Post by dazk on Jul 31, 2024 3:39:03 GMT
I also saw an article saying that Outlaws was like AC Odyssey, seems to be in direct odds to what the reviewer saying it was like RDR was saying.
A definite wait and see for me so an after release buy if I do but a lot of the mechanics especially the lock picking and her hair are a "no" for me at this stage.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 31, 2024 3:51:16 GMT
Ghost of Tsushima has some atealth mechanics like that: "Do NOT raise alaarm"....you cant let anyone knkw yoyre there. I actually kinda lije that. It's different. It was hard at first, but there's always a way, a way around everything and everyone. A specific path to take that ensures cover. And once you find that, it turns out to be not as hard as you thought. I think along with everything else, they maybe just wanted to add some variety to the gameplay and a spin on the usual stealth type gameplay. Yeah there is a fair bit in the AC games, but they changed it from being insta fail to OH WELL you have to fight the whole fort. You could also prioritise disabling the alarm and that would stop the reinforcements coming. The video from Mortismal Gaming - the so-so video - said that there is an ability available early that allows a brief window with which to recover stealth if you get spotted, without breaking it and therefore failing. A small silver lining, since I don't like the concept, but if Vess is squishy, then it makes sense that she couldn't just blaze through an enemy base with her pew-pewer.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 31, 2024 7:46:28 GMT
I'll believe it when I see it. I think Bethesda name dropped RDR2 as well when promoting Starfield. And the game couldn't be any less like RDR2 in terms of writing quality and well basically everything else too. So this comparison is an insult to me at this point and makes me instantly suspicious. Do NOT compare your game to the best open world ever created. With a great narrative on top. Just don't. Will only lead to disappointment. At least with Starfield I knew they were full of shit about it before reviews were out. I personally will play Outlaws on a deep sale no matter what reviews say. I can enjoy a pretty world with clunky combat and an OK story well enough for, say, 15€. I just pray it's not total garbage. That's my only expectation. Don't be hot garbage. Surely that can't be too much to ask for??
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 31, 2024 10:12:36 GMT
I'll believe it when I see it. I think Bethesda name dropped RDR2 as well when promoting Starfield. And the game couldn't be any less like RDR2 in terms of writing quality and well basically everything else too. So this comparison is an insult to me at this point and makes me instantly suspicious. Do NOT compare your game to the best open world ever created. With a great narrative on top. Just don't. Will only lead to disappointment. At least with Starfield I knew they were full of shit about it before reviews were out. I personally will play Outlaws on a deep sale no matter what reviews say. I can enjoy a pretty world with clunky combat and an OK story well enough for, say, 15€. I just pray it's not total garbage. That's my only expectation. Don't be hot garbage. Surely that can't be too much to ask for?? In fairness, this is a reviewer, not Ubisoft making the comparison, but I get your point. It is a big call for anyone to make that comparison. All it means to me is that someone that liked RDR, also liked what they saw of this, because it reminded them of RDR. I'd be very surprised if I ended up feeling that way.
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Post by saandrig on Jul 31, 2024 10:33:17 GMT
I have to say; the auto fail on missions for breaking stealth, and the reload mechanism sound super annoying. I hate those. Only way I can tolerate them if it is really hard to break stealth and there are multiple stealth routes you can take.
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Post by saandrig on Jul 31, 2024 10:42:48 GMT
I have RDR2 to play in my library but have always been put off from the length and that the start is supposed to be tedious. Never played the first it had zero appeal to me. I played it. Felt very clunky. I am not a fan of westerns, so the setting and narratives weren't anything special. Also not a fan of aimlessly roaming in open worlds, so that's another strong point of the game that didn't work for me. The story and characters were ok.
Overall - not a game for my taste and it went as well as expected. Ran through the story once and never touched it again. One thing I would remember is the complicated controls. It took a while before I stopped blasting people in the face when I only wanted to do a friendly greeting.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jul 31, 2024 11:32:54 GMT
I'll believe it when I see it. I think Bethesda name dropped RDR2 as well when promoting Starfield. And the game couldn't be any less like RDR2 in terms of writing quality and well basically everything else too. So this comparison is an insult to me at this point and makes me instantly suspicious. Do NOT compare your game to the best open world ever created. With a great narrative on top. Just don't. Will only lead to disappointment. At least with Starfield I knew they were full of shit about it before reviews were out. I personally will play Outlaws on a deep sale no matter what reviews say. I can enjoy a pretty world with clunky combat and an OK story well enough for, say, 15€. I just pray it's not total garbage. That's my only expectation. Don't be hot garbage. Surely that can't be too much to ask for?? "Don't be hot garbage" I like that. Translation [in my own head] Don't be like ANTHEM. I mean, it was quite fun for a while when it launched- I remember having a blast with several players from the BSN- having never tried a game like that before. But what I"m still sour about is that they made so many promises on that they not only didn't deliver- but they threw them out them window. And then they had other selling points, game/character/story developments that they totally glazed over and neglected (the biggest being the very ending of the game when Tassyn mentioned the Urgoth Invasion....something that you had been beaten over the head with multiple times in various conversations and cutscenes throughout the game....Finally you find one! Now any right-thinking Developer would capitalize on that moment as DLC...But Bioware completely dropped it.) As for other content they promised to deliver (such as an expanding map of Fort Tarsis and new explorable areas, new things to do every month "for at least a 10 year plan") Yeah, they dropped that too. I mean, when it comes down to it the whole game is just one huge mess of disappointments and missed opportunities.) The worst 100++ Dolllars I've spent on anything in a long time. Hell, I haven't even touched the game since late 2019, early 2020. It's been close to 5 years. I honestly think that OUTLAWS will be much much better than that. I'm seeing something aloong the same quality as Jedi Survivor/Fallen Order, Ghost of Tsushima, Shadows of the Tomb Raider etc So I think it'll be a blast Sory for my rant, but to your point I'm sure that Outlaws will be better than that...and no, I don't think it's too much to ask for as a passionate gamer.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 31, 2024 12:50:41 GMT
In fairness, this is a reviewer, not Ubisoft making the comparison, but I get your point. It is a big call for anyone to make that comparison. All it means to me is that someone that liked RDR, also liked what they saw of this, because it reminded them of RDR. I'd be very surprised if I ended up feeling that way. Right. But these days I assume a review is bought and the reviewer says what the publisher wants them to say or they're rage baiting. Both is dishonest. Maybe I'm being unfair. But early reviews selected by the publisher are usually more positive. I count the Veilguard Game Informer articles as nothing but promotion, trying to hype up the game more than anything. Unless Outlaws is completely unlike previous Ubisoft games, I HIGHLY doubt the RDR comparison has any merit. There's no way it's remotely on that level of immersive and well written. I'd bet all my savings on it. So either the reviewer has no idea what they're talking about or they're blowing smoke up Ubisoft asses on purpose and baiting gamers with it.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 31, 2024 20:01:07 GMT
In fairness, this is a reviewer, not Ubisoft making the comparison, but I get your point. It is a big call for anyone to make that comparison. All it means to me is that someone that liked RDR, also liked what they saw of this, because it reminded them of RDR. I'd be very surprised if I ended up feeling that way. Right. But these days I assume a review is bought and the reviewer says what the publisher wants them to say or they're rage baiting. Both is dishonest. Maybe I'm being unfair. But early reviews selected by the publisher are usually more positive. I count the Veilguard Game Informer articles as nothing but promotion, trying to hype up the game more than anything. Unless Outlaws is completely unlike previous Ubisoft games, I HIGHLY doubt the RDR comparison has any merit. There's no way it's remotely on that level of immersive and well written. I'd bet all my savings on it. So either the reviewer has no idea what they're talking about or they're blowing smoke up Ubisoft asses on purpose and baiting gamers with it. This reviewer had the same 4 hour stretch with the game as a whole heap of others. Two of the videos posted about that stretch were negative to middling. Only one was positive. The negative one could not, in any world be considered rage-baiting. There was another video (after I had watched 3 videos about Outlaws, Youtube went nuts and my rec feed was swamped with it ) which I didn't post where the title was "I'd rather kiss a wookiee". If they bought that, then I think someone needs to take the credit card away. Hell, if they bought two of the three videos posted here someone needs to take the credit card away. Like you, I doubt I'm going to agree with this comparison. But the fact that it was made has some meaning. In order to find out how much, we'd need to see the full game.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jul 31, 2024 20:15:25 GMT
Yet for all the positive reviews (both fans/gamers and Critics) that I've heard/read/watched of RDR over the years (never having played it myself, only vaguely know of it because of these reviews)...I'm going to think that this comparison is a very good thing. Otherwise there are plenty of other horrible games that it could be compared to. As for the biggest negative comment about the game from the video above (personally, I think the guy was a raving nerd who goes out of his way and gets paid to go on negative rants)....But his comment about the "blaster pistol being the only weapon" and their being "a complete lack of weaponry to choose from", "give us a loadout of weaponry to choose from" etc.....I have two things to say:
1) The character (Kay Vess) is modeled (somewhat) after Han Solo.....And all he carried was a personally modified DL-44, and look how well he weilded it. He never complained. In fact it was only during Episode 7 when he says to Chewie "Can I try that?", asking if he can try his old friend's bowcaster, needing more firepower to help get them out of the situation they were in,and "...........I like this gun," offering the friendly comment that he liked the power that a bowcaster had. But then hands it back to Chewie and is quite content to switch back to his trusty DL-44. If Han can go through life with only a blaster pistol, I'm sure Kay Vess will do just fine even if she is a little green.
2) As for not having a variety of weapons to choose from, a loadout: Outlaws simply isn't that type of game. It's not MASS EFFECT, COD, MOH, DOOM, BIOSHOCK (and I'm sure there are hundreds of other titles that give players a huge variety of weapons to choose from those are just some popular examples with an extensive loadout), I will say again...Outlaws just isn't that same type of game and (I think) having an extensive weapons loadout to choose from- having wee lil' Kay Vess go in there armed to the teeth like Arnie- would totally be the wrong choice for the character, the game and the story. To add to this point, contrary to the Dude's, is that I think the way they have it (if you find a bigger gun/different gun lying around....then use that till it's on empty/overheated, then drop it) make far more sense. It's more realisitic. You go into an environment with what you've got....If you find something different or better lying around that at the time, in the moment, might serve you better....then you use that for as long as you can to complete a task and be done with it. Get yourself out of the situation then move on.
To me that rationale makes far more sense for everything that is presented rather than having Kay armed to the teeth and feeling like she could "take on the whole Empire [herself]".
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 31, 2024 21:44:57 GMT
Yeah I don't much care for looter shooters. I'm fine with just one gun that we can maybe upgrade. All I want is decent storytelling and a beautiful world. I won't be playing this for the combat.
Some games absolutely need weapon variety to be fun. Especially RPGs where you have wildly different builds.
My hope is that Outlaws has fun varied quests. I'll take those over loot grind any day. The less combat the better actually.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jul 31, 2024 23:07:20 GMT
Hey Kappa. Look up Lunar Squadron, they just released (5 hours ago) a BTS breakdown of some fun varied quest types. (This one)
Then this
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Post by saandrig on Aug 1, 2024 8:09:24 GMT
store.ubisoft.com/us/star-wars-outlaws/645ba713a9ce0448bffa4c12.html?lang=en_USThe page has updated with the System Requirements.
Few notes - all stated resolutions are with applied DLSS Quality, not at Native.
Also - the CPU requirements make no sense. The minimum requirement is a 8700k, but higher settings ask for weaker CPUs like the 10400. Then we have a jump to 11600k just for changing the resolution, which shouldn't be an issue for the CPU. And the 11600k is still not that much better than a 8700k.
Seems like someone just threw random CPU generations there, so I wouldn't worry much about it. The GPU requirements are probably quite real though.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Aug 1, 2024 8:30:55 GMT
As usual since 2015 or so, I will not watch any youtuber "preview" or such, and neither any reviews either. I'll get the game if it interests me, so simple. Of course I've been burned, for example the Jedi Fallen Order was such an ordeal with a toy light saber, and tried to emulate those "oh its so hard you need to learn every boss movement" games, I did not get the 2nd part. Anyway, I've really liked the Assassins Creed stealth gameplay, especially in the latest one (Mirage), so lets see. Just realized the AC:Japan is coming out soonish too. The thing about breaking stealth is a bit concerning though... Its sci-fi, its star wars, its for me
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