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Post by githcheater on Oct 15, 2023 17:22:06 GMT
The way I see it is that I hope bioware learn some lessons from BG3, as there are plenty to be had. It's been ten years or since DA:I, and the industry and genre have evolved and improved. Bioware would be daft not to - in fact I'd wager their devs are probably playing BG3 as well. That's not hating on the game or bioware, it's a desire to see an excellent DA game to come out which doesn't feel like it is froom a decade ago. The Bioware devs are probably too busy crunching to play BG3 ... but I hope they are not crunching...
The devs have already had their souls crushed by EA .. who happily shreaded their souls as well. I see no reason why the Bioware devs should put in more than 40 hours per week. Why would the Bioware devs sacrifice themselves to finish the game quickly, when many are sure to be let go as soon as the game is completed.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Oct 15, 2023 17:22:38 GMT
I am not sure why this guy shat on ME2 and Skyrim, and he sure was over the top clickbait, cuz this is the internet. However, I do agree that Bioware peaked with DAO, before ditching the more "complicated" RPG elements, in favor of homogenization, action and fetch quests. BioWare peaked with Mass Effect 3. The hilariously overblown drama over the ending aside, that was their best game since. Also DAO had a lot of issues that were only resolved with mods. ME3 didnt need any.
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Post by vonuber on Oct 15, 2023 17:25:04 GMT
They better not be like BG3 why go back to being a CRPG? Why abandon what made you successful? If future Bioware games move away from DA2 and DA: I, like I said before I'll be moving on just like how many people moved on. CRPG is not my really my thing but now it seems the market is going to demand more games to be like it and you know what? That's fine by me, I'll just go play another game that caters to my tastes. Eh I meant more along the lines of the world building, the connectivity, the reactiveness of the world and characters to your choices and actions etc. It's truly remarkable how the game does this in BG3 - is it perfect? Of course not, but it does a damn good job.
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Post by githcheater on Oct 15, 2023 17:36:35 GMT
The way I see it is that I hope bioware learn some lessons from BG3, as there are plenty to be had. It's been ten years or since DA:I, and the industry and genre have evolved and improved. Bioware would be daft not to - in fact I'd wager their devs are probably playing BG3 as well. That's not hating on the game or bioware, it's a desire to see an excellent DA game to come out which doesn't feel like it is from a decade ago. They better not be like BG3 why go back to being a CRPG? Why abandon what made you successful? Good question. Why did they abandon the long term success and BG, BG2 KotOr, DAO? DAI has aged poorly, and cRPGs seem to be enjoying a resurgence.
Why do you continue to crap BG3 when you obviously have not played it?
You might like BG3, if you could get over your bitterness toward Reddit, and hopefully stop bringing your Reddit bitterness to BSN.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 15, 2023 18:15:02 GMT
They better not be like BG3 why go back to being a CRPG? Why abandon what made you successful? If future Bioware games move away from DA2 and DA: I, like I said before I'll be moving on just like how many people moved on. CRPG is not my really my thing but now it seems the market is going to demand more games to be like it and you know what? That's fine by me, I'll just go play another game that caters to my tastes. Eh I meant more along the lines of the world building, the connectivity, the reactiveness of the world and characters to your choices and actions etc. It's truly remarkable how the game does this in BG3 - is it perfect? Of course not, but it does a damn good job. Good thing Dragon Age does this well.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 15, 2023 18:16:58 GMT
Speaking of have been tempted to make an all RPG tier list. Spare me the pain of gauging my eyes off, pretty please? thank you? oh I won't post it in this thread.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 15, 2023 18:21:31 GMT
They better not be like BG3 why go back to being a CRPG? Why abandon what made you successful? Good question. Why did they abandon the long term success and BG, BG2 KotOr, DAO? DAI has aged poorly, and cRPGs seem to be enjoying a resurgence.
Why do you continue to crap BG3 when you obviously have not played it?
You might like BG3, if you could get over your bitterness toward Reddit, and hopefully stop bringing your Reddit bitterness to BSN.
DAI was bios best selling game, at least best selling launch. DAI won game of the year. Yes it may've 'aged poorly' but the game is ten years old, released in the transition between generations, and Origins has a lot more in common with Inquisition then with Baldur's Gate so it wouldn't just be going backwards but a fundamentally different experience.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 15, 2023 18:44:30 GMT
Yeah, they should be strengthening their strengths while fixing their weakness. One thing I do wish Bioware would stop doing is trend chasing. Given how mixed the reception of DA: I and Andromeda's open world (though I enjoy both games), I really think it's best that they compact the game world.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 15, 2023 18:47:10 GMT
Good question. Why did they abandon the long term success and BG, BG2 KotOr, DAO? DAI has aged poorly, and cRPGs seem to be enjoying a resurgence.
Why do you continue to crap BG3 when you obviously have not played it?
You might like BG3, if you could get over your bitterness toward Reddit, and hopefully stop bringing your Reddit bitterness to BSN.
DAI was bios best selling game, at least best selling launch. DAI won game of the year. Yes it may've 'aged poorly' but the game is ten years old, released in the transition between generations, and Origins has a lot more in common with Inquisition then with Baldur's Gate so it wouldn't just be going backwards but a fundamentally different experience. I agree, I just don't want the RPG market to be flooded with CRPGs. I prefer action RPGs.
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Post by vonuber on Oct 15, 2023 18:48:23 GMT
Good thing Dragon Age does this well. For 2014 it does, sure. Not in comparison to modern games, and that is where they can improve for example.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 15, 2023 18:51:13 GMT
DAI was bios best selling game, at least best selling launch. DAI won game of the year. Yes it may've 'aged poorly' but the game is ten years old, released in the transition between generations, and Origins has a lot more in common with Inquisition then with Baldur's Gate so it wouldn't just be going backwards but a fundamentally different experience. I agree, I just don't want the RPG market to be flooded with CRPGs. I prefer action RPGs. honestly think the distinction is very hoity toity and high brow to begin with. All games Bioware has released have been CRPGS being released on a computer system of some sort. Now to be clear I think any game has the potential to teach Bioware something even guitar hero... or BG...but that doesn't mean they have to just copy either. In fact they shouldn't.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 15, 2023 18:53:16 GMT
Good thing Dragon Age does this well. For 2014 it does, sure. Not in comparison to modern games, and that is where they can improve for example. I'll agree there is always room for improvement but at least from the games I've played, indeed maybe all the settings I've experienced multi media, the world building in DA and Inquisition tends to knock everyone's socks off. There's a reason I have a map of Thedas on my wall.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 15, 2023 19:00:12 GMT
Good thing Dragon Age does this well. For 2014 it does, sure. Not in comparison to modern games, and that is where they can improve for example. Wait..... I thought the narrative was that modern games suck. In seriousness, I'm sure they'll improve on what was weak in Inquisition.
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Post by river82 on Oct 15, 2023 20:55:55 GMT
For 2014 it does, sure. Not in comparison to modern games, and that is where they can improve for example. Wait..... I thought the narrative was that modern games suck. In seriousness, I'm sure they'll improve on what was weak in Inquisition. I know it's a joke but I actually keep hearing it from people and I feel like everyone who says "modern games suck" must be shooter fans. Or maybe adventure fans or something. Because the shooter genre is in a terrible spot right now. I keep telling them as an RPG fan, we've just had an amazing couple of years Elden Ring, Zelda, BG3, Cyberpunk, *glances over at Starfield* ... all the Horizon games, Persona 5. It really depends which genre you're in. If you like open world sandboxes again I feel like this is an incredible time. Spiderman 2's just coming out and everybody's looking forward to it. MMOs and Shooters, boy they're in a rough spot though.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 15, 2023 23:16:18 GMT
Wait..... I thought the narrative was that modern games suck. In seriousness, I'm sure they'll improve on what was weak in Inquisition. I know it's a joke but I actually keep hearing it from people and I feel like everyone who says "modern games suck" must be shooter fans. Or maybe adventure fans or something. Because the shooter genre is in a terrible spot right now. I keep telling them as an RPG fan, we've just had an amazing couple of years Elden Ring, Zelda, BG3, Cyberpunk, * glances over at Starfield* ... all the Horizon games, Persona 5. It really depends which genre you're in. If you like open world sandboxes again I feel like this is an incredible time. Spiderman 2's just coming out and everybody's looking forward to it. MMOs and Shooters, boy they're in a rough spot though. I'm just going to say this before I dip out from this thread as I caused too much of a ruckus which I apologize to everyone for. Starfield is a way better game than Cyberpunk, it didn't have the most disastrous launch in recent memory AND the fact that Starfield ran smoothly (for the most part) on my console, while Cyberpunk was filled with soooo many technical issues that it crashed my game numerous times. The fact that people actually have the gall to dunk on Starfield while placing Cyberpunk on a pedestal is hysterical. To me, It cemented that some gamers are not only forgiving but hypocritical.
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Post by river82 on Oct 15, 2023 23:39:32 GMT
I know it's a joke but I actually keep hearing it from people and I feel like everyone who says "modern games suck" must be shooter fans. Or maybe adventure fans or something. Because the shooter genre is in a terrible spot right now. I keep telling them as an RPG fan, we've just had an amazing couple of years Elden Ring, Zelda, BG3, Cyberpunk, * glances over at Starfield* ... all the Horizon games, Persona 5. It really depends which genre you're in. If you like open world sandboxes again I feel like this is an incredible time. Spiderman 2's just coming out and everybody's looking forward to it. MMOs and Shooters, boy they're in a rough spot though. I'm just going to say this before I dip out from this thread as I caused too much of a ruckus which apologize to everyone for. Starfield is a way better game than Cyberpunk, it didn't have the most disastrous launch in recent memory AND the fact that Starfield ran smoothly (for the most part) on my console, while Cyberpunk was filled with soooo many technical issues that it crashed my game numerous times. The fact that people actually have the gall to dunk on Starfield while placing Cyberpunk on a pedestal is hysterical. To me, It cemented that some gamers are not only forgiving but hypocritical. I'll probably pick it up next year. Unfortunately part of the PC audience got screwed over due to them partnering AMD, and while support is coming it's going to take a bit of time. I'm not going to take the chance and have to refund another game because of technical problems, I just had to do that last week so I'll wait. It definitely runs smoothly on console but then you have the thing where modding is less viable.
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Post by 10k on Oct 16, 2023 2:20:35 GMT
Not from my experience with the fanbase. I’m just tired of having to fight all the time just because I like a game that people hate. Ive already been in massive arguments with BG3 fans on Reddit and YouTube. I don’t think ALL fans of BG3 are horrible, but I only mentioned my experience with the fans I’ve met and seen are. I know there’s a lot of good people there but the ones I’ve met were no different than Witcher 3 fans that invaded here years ago. Then why do you? It's a game, who cares what other people hate on the internet. I can see if you're having these arguments IRL, that would be concerning. But on the internet? You like what you like, why care what others like. Especially on the internet. They don't pay your bills.
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Post by mousestalker on Oct 16, 2023 13:26:40 GMT
I really like BG3. If Bioware were to move towards adopting things from BG3 then that would actually be returning to what made Bioware successful. BG3 has a robust character creation system with your choices having a meaningful impact in the game (try playing a Drow, for example). No micro-transactions, vigourous patching, responsiveness to the players and deep stories make for a lovely gaming experience and what has been lacking from Bioware games. The 'toxicity' of the fanbase is largely irrelevant as the game can be played solo. There is no need to interact with other players, ever.
L:astly, if you find every fandom for every game unpleasant, perhaps the problem isn't with the other players. Perhaps you have the problem. At the very least, indulge in some self-reflection and ask yourself how you might improve your relations with other players.
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Oct 16, 2023 16:51:40 GMT
I really like BG3. If Bioware were to move towards adopting things from BG3 then that would actually be returning to what made Bioware successful. BG3 has a robust character creation system with your choices having a meaningful impact in the game (try playing a Drow, for example). No micro-transactions, vigourous patching, responsiveness to the players and deep stories make for a lovely gaming experience and what has been lacking from Bioware games. The 'toxicity' of the fanbase is largely irrelevant as the game can be played solo. There is no need to interact with other players, ever. L:astly, if you find every fandom for every game unpleasant, perhaps the problem isn't with the other players. Perhaps you have the problem. At the very least, indulge in some self-reflection and ask yourself how you might improve your relations with other players. I've said it before but BG3 gives me Dragon Age Origins feels at times. It's the interactions I think with companions and their deep backstories that take place in camp. There's a camp dog that you can summon into fights. There's a lot of old-school BioWare in BG3 and well there would be as BioWare made the original two games. I would not mind BioWare hewing back to the older ways but something tells me EA would. Anyway as far as fandoms and irritation. All fandoms have annoying personalities that have nothing better to do then do pissing contests online. I always tend to immediately block the person, when I enter a new fandom, who claims to know the writer, director, actor and who appears to function therefore as the gatekeeper. As a general rule I have no tolerance for that. But mostly it's all trifling bullshit anyway. It's all in the cloud and wifty-doodle anyway. Just turn off the pc or put the phone down and walk away for a bit. Spend some quality time with pet or whatever. Reset yourself. It's just games.
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Post by river82 on Oct 16, 2023 19:37:38 GMT
Spend some quality time with pet or whatever. Reset yourself. It's just games.How DARE you, good sir!
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Post by RelevantRevenant on Oct 16, 2023 20:51:45 GMT
Dear diary, I had to do the Kethhwic Thhowme fight three separate times. First, I was happily looting his corpse when the game crashed and my last save was just before the fight happens. Then I did the fight again and suddenly remembered that I was supposed to find Zevlor too. After looking around and not finding him where he was supposed to be, I begrudgingly loaded that pre-fight save again, found Zevlor and went back to fight Kethhwic again. The last time I savescummed my way through it until I was finally back at Moonrise. Phew.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 16, 2023 20:57:59 GMT
Just watched more of the LP and just made note the mo cap work really is paying off. Guy is playing as Karlach and talking to Shadow heart. 'What you picked those plants they're poison...tehee just kidding'. Perfect animation in face and body action. Makes me look forward to DA with this updated tech.
Plus I think I have a bit of a video game crush on Shadowheart now...
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Post by Sartoz on Oct 16, 2023 21:20:55 GMT
Just watched more of the LP and just made note the mo cap work really is paying off. Guy is playing as Karlach and talking to Shadow heart. 'What you picked those plants they're poison...tehee just kidding'. Perfect animation in face and body action. Makes me look forward to DA with this updated tech. Plus I think I have a bit of a video game crush on Shadowheart now...
DA4 will have far, far fewer script lines than BG3. That, is a safe bet. Team verbal interactions and back stories will be less than BG3. Anticipating similar BG3 char interactions in DA4 is wishing for pie in the sky.
I just re-loaded a save game prior to Wyll encountering his patron in the camp. Made a different choice and well, well... the camp outcome is different. Choice matters, here.
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Post by river82 on Oct 16, 2023 21:38:40 GMT
Just watched more of the LP and just made note the mo cap work really is paying off. Guy is playing as Karlach and talking to Shadow heart. 'What you picked those plants they're poison...tehee just kidding'. Perfect animation in face and body action. Makes me look forward to DA with this updated tech. Plus I think I have a bit of a video game crush on Shadowheart now...
DA4 will have far, far fewer script lines than BG3. That, is a safe bet. Team verbal interactions and back stories will be less than BG3. Anticipating similar BG3 char interactions in DA4 is wishing for pie in the sky.
I just re-loaded a save game prior to Wyll encountering his patron in the camp. Made a different choice and well, well... the camp outcome is different. Choice matters, here.
The amount of dialogue cutscenes in BG3 is incredibly surprising and such a nice detail. Because it's incredibly expensive to do that in a game where there's so much optional content, and content where choice matters which can send you off into a different path. Because that means the company is paying many dollars for something not very many people may see. And THAT sort of thing turns companies off. For Larian to do it to such a huge extent was such a breath of fresh air, having decisions not being made by some greedy accountant with their abacus on the 7th floor.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 17, 2023 4:53:06 GMT
Just watched more of the LP and just made note the mo cap work really is paying off. Guy is playing as Karlach and talking to Shadow heart. 'What you picked those plants they're poison...tehee just kidding'. Perfect animation in face and body action. Makes me look forward to DA with this updated tech. Plus I think I have a bit of a video game crush on Shadowheart now...
DA4 will have far, far fewer script lines than BG3. That, is a safe bet. Team verbal interactions and back stories will be less than BG3. Anticipating similar BG3 char interactions in DA4 is wishing for pie in the sky.
I just re-loaded a save game prior to Wyll encountering his patron in the camp. Made a different choice and well, well... the camp outcome is different. Choice matters, here.
Now I wasn't talking about the amount of dialogue or the quality of the cutscenes themselves or how the choices matter, all far beyond the purview of my point really. And of course given the situation I can't entirely dismiss the possibility you are right about such things and I know there are obstacles they could be facing which might prevent them from deveoting as much time to the story and dialogue and characters as they have been in the past. The chief amongst these is the legacy of its 'live service' and potential multiple player elements and just how much they were going to make it like Anthem. Afterall Anthem did suffer in this department as well and the characters weren't up to BioWare's usual standards or focus...though still to note it did a lot better in these regards then some of the other live service ish games I've managed to play. Or they could borrow from TOR which was also very multiplayer and very live servicey and still had reams of story, dialogue, characters, backgrounds, full companions, and those companions beind influenced by your story. Worthy to point out to I consider Anthem, being a new genre/ formula for BioWare, as being a little bit of an anamoly. Andromeda which continued on from Inquisition did fix a lot of Inquisition's issues when it came to choice, reactivity, side quest quality, quality and number of cutscenes compared to those non cutscene dialogue encounters (though Inquisition still overall had the better main quest, story, world building, and cast of companion characters). However in the end this is still something I am fairly optomistic about. Not the number of such things because I don't give a frack about that and it was off putting to see DAI market such things and its off putting to see BG III market 'we have a bazillion lines of dialogue and 55 endings'...no one should care imo. Given that Inquisition did market such things and given that Dreadwolf promises to be bigger in every way as a matter of neccessity then I fully expect the pure number of such things like dialogue lines to meet or exceed. Hopefully with the higher quality side content like we saw in Andromeda or actually taking a leaf from say Odyssey, Vahalla, and to an extent Andromeda again and give us some meat to our main quest. Moving forward we'll have to worry about such things when it comes to the next Mass Effect game but really anticipating no major degradation in quality or numbers, even if i do not care about the latter.
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