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Post by river82 on Oct 14, 2023 21:57:33 GMT
Relevant comparison/rant spotted on Youtube: NSFW. Also he can not say the word Inquisition. Was a pretty interesting watch. While I liked ME2 more than ME1 (with its broken economy) I can understand why a lot of people would prefer the more heavily RPG game. One day I should get around to finishing ... Inquishon but I think I quit about 2/3rds of the way through and have never felt the urge to replay. *Sigh* Bioware
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Post by vonuber on Oct 14, 2023 22:53:16 GMT
No, I've read the clickbait title, and I won't be lectured on how the games I like are inferior to the game that's put on a pedestal. You all can, but I'm not going to repeat my mistake in joining a rabid fanbase who never liked you in the first place. I mean you've just described most fanbases, including this one and starfield.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 14, 2023 23:09:10 GMT
I am not sure why this guy shat on ME2 and Skyrim, and he sure was over the top clickbait, cuz this is the internet. However, I do agree that Bioware peaked with DAO, before ditching the more "complicated" RPG elements, in favor of homogenization, action and fetch quests. There are plenty of games that I could be put on a pedastal if the baseline is the the merely very good DAI: Planescape Torment, BG, BG2, KotOR, KotOR2 NWN2, Skyrim, Witcher 3, Shadow of Mordor, and Disco Elysium. I am getting tired of the Bioware can do no wrong crowd who think DAO is subpar, but I suppose I am ruder than the whiners who want to squelch discussion/comparisons to Dragon Age, and cannot accept that other studios make excellent games. bit of a curiosity on this one because I've been musing on this concept, sort of, most of the day. And while every fandom has bad actors it does seem to me the amount of people who hold the later DA or ME games as some amazing experience don't tend to diss people for liking Origins.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 14, 2023 23:29:53 GMT
No, I've read the clickbait title, and I won't be lectured on how the games I like are inferior to the game that's put on a pedestal. You all can, but I'm not going to repeat my mistake in joining a rabid fanbase who never liked you in the first place. I mean you've just described most fanbases, including this one and starfield. Starfield fanbase has yet treat me with utter contempt and claim to be an inclusive fanbase.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 14, 2023 23:31:04 GMT
I am getting tired of the Bioware can do no wrong crowd who think DAO is subpar, but I suppose I am ruder than the whiners who want to squelch discussion/comparisons to Dragon Age, and cannot accept that other studios make excellent games. Are you talking to me? Because I did not say that at all.
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Post by githcheater on Oct 14, 2023 23:33:36 GMT
I'll be blunt on this I'll leave if the next DA goes "back to its roots." DA: O was a chore to get through I'll just leave this here ... in reference to Colfoley's comment.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 14, 2023 23:34:32 GMT
I am not sure why this guy shat on ME2 and Skyrim, and he sure was over the top clickbait, cuz this is the internet. However, I do agree that Bioware peaked with DAO, before ditching the more "complicated" RPG elements, in favor of homogenization, action and fetch quests. There are plenty of games that I could be put on a pedastal if the baseline is the the merely very good DAI: Planescape Torment, BG, BG2, KotOR, KotOR2 NWN2, Skyrim, Witcher 3, Shadow of Mordor, and Disco Elysium. I am getting tired of the Bioware can do no wrong crowd who think DAO is subpar, but I suppose I am ruder than the whiners who want to squelch discussion/comparisons to Dragon Age, and cannot accept that other studios make excellent games. bit of a curiosity on this one because I've been musing on this concept, sort of, most of the day. And while every fandom has bad actors it does seem to me the amount of people who hold the later DA or ME games as some amazing experience don't tend to diss people for liking Origins. Unlike that Youtuber who puts Origins on a pedestal.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 14, 2023 23:36:26 GMT
I'll be blunt on this I'll leave if the next DA goes "back to its roots." Combat. DA: O was a chore to get through I'll just leave this here ... in reference to Colofoy's comment. So what? I didn't like Origins' combat that much is that wrong to say? I didn't harass others or call them racial slurs for liking Origins' combat. That's what I experienced do when I first joined Bioware's forum.
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Post by githcheater on Oct 14, 2023 23:38:45 GMT
... and yet you harass others for liking BG3.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 14, 2023 23:41:51 GMT
... and yet you harass others for liking BG3. I don't, like what you like. Just don't go shoving it down people's throats.
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Post by mousestalker on Oct 15, 2023 0:25:00 GMT
Chill you two. DAO > BG3 > DAI > Divinity > DA2. My opinion, but I'm right...
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Post by githcheater on Oct 15, 2023 0:45:12 GMT
Can BG3 fans not invade other fanbases like Starfield and tear their games down just to feel morally superior please? Unfortunately this topic derailed when unrelated frustrations about BG3 fanatics on Reddit were brought here ...
I'm out for now ... I almost feel veins popping in my forehead.
Time for a very good game called Pathfinder:WotR ...
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Post by river82 on Oct 15, 2023 3:09:39 GMT
Can BG3 fans not invade other fanbases like Starfield and tear their games down just to feel morally superior please? Unfortunately this topic derailed when unrelated frustrations about BG3 fanatics on Reddit were brought here ...
I'm out for now ... I almost feel veins popping in my forehead.
Time for a very good game called Pathfinder:WotR ...
WotR is amazing. Have fun with the game, Rogue Trader coming December
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Post by river82 on Oct 15, 2023 3:16:35 GMT
Chill you two. DAO > BG3 > DAI > Divinity > DA2. My opinion, but I'm right... You're right but still BG3 > DAO > D:OS2 > DA:I > DA2 for me The later Dragon Age's were brought down in my eyes due to them not nailing the combat. I can't look past it. I don't mind if they make a good action RPG game, it's just the expectations of combat in those games are quite high, as Bethesda is rapidly finding out I believe. I really hope DA:D doesn't have dated combat, there's so much competition in the Action RPG realm (all the souls like games Lies of P for example, Horizon, Nier etc) that fail to nail the combat and it's going to taint experience for many.
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Post by colfoley on Oct 15, 2023 3:50:31 GMT
Speaking of have been tempted to make an all RPG tier list.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 15, 2023 4:33:20 GMT
I'll always hold DA2 in the Dragon Age games as the perfect marriage between action RPG and tactics. Though I feel that ME:2, ME:3, and ME: A overall nailed it in terms of combat.
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Post by river82 on Oct 15, 2023 5:13:22 GMT
I'll always hold DA2 in the Dragon Age games as the perfect marriage between action RPG and tactics. Though I feel that ME:2, ME:3, and ME: A overall nailed it in terms of combat. Tactically it was fine, but tactics in RPGs usually means strategic, which means positioning among other things (XCom, Valkyria Chronicles, Larian games, Shadownrun, and any tactical RPG really) and all strategy went out the window with the "It's raining men" waves. I believe it was patched but it demonstrated that DA:2's combat was very much action focused and it wasn't an actual blend at all
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Post by fylimar on Oct 15, 2023 8:57:25 GMT
Thank you for showing me a video of the average BG3 fan I've come across. Forget it, I've thought of buying the game but after seeing how crazy the fans are I don't want to. Why join a fanbase who constantly hates on everything you enjoy? Again, why are you attacking a whole fanbase, when you know as well as I do, that we had our share of crazies here too. Do you see BG3 fans shitting on DA here? When someone says, they prefer one game over the other, it isn't shitting, it is stating a subjective opinion. In the Larian forums people have the utmost respect for Dragon Age and a lot of them still looking forward to Dreadwolf despite the devastating news lately. The discussions here are pretty peaceful, so please don't spread discord here.
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Post by fylimar on Oct 15, 2023 9:01:58 GMT
No, I've read the clickbait title, and I won't be lectured on how the games I like are inferior to the game that's put on a pedestal. You all can, but I'm not going to repeat my mistake in joining a rabid fanbase who never liked you in the first place. I mean you've just described most fanbases, including this one and starfield. Exactly. It is not different, no matter, where you look: to some people the own fandom is superior and the rest doesn't matter at all. It's the same everywhere and the most fanatic people are often the loudest, because the rest has a life I enjoy the stuff I like, games, books, movies and love to have healthy discussions about the content that's it.
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Post by warden on Oct 15, 2023 13:14:31 GMT
Speaking of have been tempted to make an all RPG tier list. Spare me the pain of gauging my eyes off, pretty please? thank you?
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Post by smilesja on Oct 15, 2023 14:00:14 GMT
Speaking of have been tempted to make an all RPG tier list. Spare me the pain of gauging my eyes off, pretty please? thank you? Why? What did he do?
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Post by smilesja on Oct 15, 2023 14:09:40 GMT
Thank you for showing me a video of the average BG3 fan I've come across. Forget it, I've thought of buying the game but after seeing how crazy the fans are I don't want to. Why join a fanbase who constantly hates on everything you enjoy? Again, why are you attacking a whole fanbase, when you know as well as I do, that we had our share of crazies here too. Do you see BG3 fans shitting on DA here? When someone says, they prefer one game over the other, it isn't shitting, it is stating a subjective opinion. In the Larian forums people have the utmost respect for Dragon Age and a lot of them still looking forward to Dreadwolf despite the devastating news lately. The discussions here are pretty peaceful, so please don't spread discord here. Not from my experience with the fanbase. I’m just tired of having to fight all the time just because I like a game that people hate. Ive already been in massive arguments with BG3 fans on Reddit and YouTube. I don’t think ALL fans of BG3 are horrible, but I only mentioned my experience with the fans I’ve met and seen are. I know there’s a lot of good people there but the ones I’ve met were no different than Witcher 3 fans that invaded here years ago.
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Post by fylimar on Oct 15, 2023 15:01:49 GMT
Again, why are you attacking a whole fanbase, when you know as well as I do, that we had our share of crazies here too. Do you see BG3 fans shitting on DA here? When someone says, they prefer one game over the other, it isn't shitting, it is stating a subjective opinion. In the Larian forums people have the utmost respect for Dragon Age and a lot of them still looking forward to Dreadwolf despite the devastating news lately. The discussions here are pretty peaceful, so please don't spread discord here. Not from my experience with the fanbase. I’m just tired of having to fight all the time just because I like a game that people hate. Ive already been in massive arguments with BG3 fans on Reddit and YouTube. I don’t think ALL fans of BG3 are horrible, but I only mentioned my experience with the fans I’ve met and seen are. I know there’s a lot of good people there but the ones I’ve met were no different than Witcher 3 fans that invaded here years ago. You said 'because of the horrible fanbase' that sounds suspiciously as if you mean the whole fanbase. And you are the one, trying to pick a fight here right now, trying to divide fanbases, that are basically the same. Most people playing BG3, played Bioware games, including DA before and vice versa. You've met some people who were mean to you on Reddit - and decided that the whole fanbase has to be like that. Reddit has some issues on it's own, but new games bring a lot of people in, that are going to move on and who might just be happy with spreading discord. It was not different with the DA games. I remember how many new accounts were banned quickly on this forum alone, because those people were toxic. There were DA fans bashing Skyrim fans and stuff like that. It is your decision to play a game or not and to like a game or not, but if you make that decision based on toxic people in a fandom - good luck ever playing a game again. We are here in a little bubble - and as I said, I had really bad experiences with people here too and my ignore list proofs it (and I do not quickly put people on ignore), other forums, youtube comments, etc generally look much worse. Btw - you meet a lot of BG3 fans every day in this forum and they are ok. And if people don't like a game, you like (I guess, you are referring to DAI), why do you even care? You like the game, you love to play it, so everything is ok.
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Post by vonuber on Oct 15, 2023 16:21:24 GMT
The way I see it is that I hope bioware learn some lessons from BG3, as there are plenty to be had.
It's been ten years or since DA:I, and the industry and genre have evolved and improved. Bioware would be daft not to - in fact I'd wager their devs are probably playing BG3 as well.
That's not hating on the game or bioware, it's a desire to see an excellent DA game to come out which doesn't feel like it is from a decade ago.
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Post by smilesja on Oct 15, 2023 17:09:53 GMT
The way I see it is that I hope bioware learn some lessons from BG3, as there are plenty to be had. It's been ten years or since DA:I, and the industry and genre have evolved and improved. Bioware would be daft not to - in fact I'd wager their devs are probably playing BG3 as well. That's not hating on the game or bioware, it's a desire to see an excellent DA game to come out which doesn't feel like it is from a decade ago. They better not be like BG3 why go back to being a CRPG? Why abandon what made you successful? If future Bioware games move away from DA2 and DA: I, like I said before I'll be moving on just like how many people moved on. CRPG is not my really my thing but now it seems the market is going to demand more games to be like it and you know what? That's fine by me, I'll just go play another game that caters to my tastes.
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