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Post by RelevantRevenant on Nov 7, 2023 22:43:19 GMT
I have played turn-base-games but this game play confused me extremly. Yes, it's extremely close to DnD. People say it's the closest thing to DnD you can get in a computer game so the rules are a little complex. Gale was my fave from the start, absolutely hilarious xD Especially when he dies and he gives you those instructions to resurrect him. Gale has a kind of whimsy Bioware used to have with their companions like with HK-47. It's something I haven't felt from Bioware in a good while. In regards to Gale... Since he has the unfortunate tendency to kick the bucket on the regular, I usually let the cut scene with the resurrection instructions play maybe once and then I just use a scroll on him.
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Post by fairdragon on Nov 8, 2023 7:09:32 GMT
The Companions where the next big hit to me. I am not a fan of Larians Origin Characters. I love the near to DAO idee of The Dark Urge. But it looks like i haven't the right Alignment for Larian. I play good or neutral only sometime evil. Also it is possible to play a good/redemption Dark Urge character. And while I haven't done it myself, given the nature of the Dark Urge, people who have said it's quite meaningful. The game actually ENCOURAGES you to resist the urges while playing as the Dark Urge. It is not an evil character. The easily missable parts of BG3 is why replaying the game is so impactful. New content to discover. And not only is there stuff you can easily miss BUT there is stuff you will never be able to do in one playthrough. Just like the good old days :3 But yeah, the ending ... someone mod that please xD Thank you for your feedback.
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Post by fairdragon on Nov 8, 2023 7:20:10 GMT
It's not really something that's fully come out via the LP but man the companions seem to be pretty universally...not nice people. Yet some of them are extremely attractive,in one way or another, people. I'm confused. Really? I dunno, Karlach is actually pretty sweet. Wyll's not evil. Shadowheart can be either. Halsin is def not evil and is the most pure of all companion. There's minsc and Jalheira. Karlach is sweet. But let's say she is not my type. I get goosebumps when I see her skin. Because the black dots look like eyes and the rest look like snakes. Wyll's character is not for me. And i am not sure where i would put him.
Shadowheart can be sweet and i musst say she started to climb up my rankes, but later fall of. I don't like that they give her the objected.
For me the problem is more that i miss Charcter like Alistair or Sosiel to name only 2. pure good character. And yes Halsin is one. But we have 8 Companions 2 returning. 1 pure good character out of 8 is not many. I would have loved and i told that larian if it would have been like this: 3 evil, 3 good, 3 larian and 1 neutral. We have the neutral one with Jaheira, 2 good (halsin and minsc) and maybe 2 evil (Minthara and Lae'zel). I think 5 larian ones are to much. And all beside Lae'zel coming in later not at Act 1.
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Post by fairdragon on Nov 8, 2023 7:23:24 GMT
Yes, it's extremely close to DnD. People say it's the closest thing to DnD you can get in a computer game so the rules are a little complex. Gale was my fave from the start, absolutely hilarious xD Especially when he dies and he gives you those instructions to resurrect him. Gale has a kind of whimsy Bioware used to have with their companions like with HK-47. It's something I haven't felt from Bioware in a good while. In regards to Gale... Since he has the unfortunate tendency to kick the bucket on the regular, I usually let the cut scene with the resurrection instructions play maybe once and then I just use a scroll on him. Gale have one problem and that is his story. I don't like it at all. But he is a okay guy.
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Post by river82 on Nov 8, 2023 7:24:21 GMT
To be honest. I would have the same experience over and over again. Because i would miss all the stuff everytime. ... I mean I think you're easily observant enough to catch things on subsequent playthroughs if you're invested but everybody has their reasons I guess.
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Post by fairdragon on Nov 8, 2023 7:41:08 GMT
I'm sorry, I actually wanted to do a positive post after the one yesterday. Unfortunately i have had no opportunity. So I do it now.
There is one thing BG3 do better than DA. Some people have said it already. It responds very well to your decisions from character creation. I would love to choose a backgroud in DAI instead of Josephine asking me question about my family. And for DAI more to choose from in character creation. DAI doesn't really have an RPG feel to it when it comes to character creation, aside from the choice of appearance and race. The different answer you can give because you choose something in character creation is amazing in BG3.
So yes that is something other game dev. can lern.
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Post by fairdragon on Nov 8, 2023 7:54:29 GMT
To be honest. I would have the same experience over and over again. Because i would miss all the stuff everytime. ... I mean I think you're easily observant enough to catch things on subsequent playthroughs if you're invested but everybody has their reasons I guess. Let me give you a look in my weird head. At first I would stumble around (annoyed). Then when i get to the druid camp i would promis everyone to find a solution. Next stop save halsin (the only red thread i have). end act 1. In the area weren't much quest. For quest you have to reveal the entire map. That was my feeling when i whatch the LP.
And you are right you can catch things, but not with my role play style.
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Post by fylimar on Nov 9, 2023 8:39:11 GMT
I don't think, you would have any trouble there. The only problem are - like with every new game (we had that here in the forum too, when DAI was new and probably with ME too) - a lot of new users, that are sometimes quite rude, but the mods are dealing with them very well.
My personal pet peeve is the lack of small races companions, there was a halfling werewolf bard named Helia planned (how cool is that?) and she was axed, probably for Halsin, which is sad. I'm still campaigning for Helia, since Larian is still working to put stuff in. I see. Maybe you are right. I wasn't in the forum for a long time. Also active on the larian forums. Really not seeing this it’s 100% perfect thank you for your answer: I have show some of my problems with the game here and there. But let me put it together for you two. I saw the game first when Larian show the first game play. I have played turn-base-games but this game play confused me extremly. The YouTube LPs could explain something to me. But it looks like a lot of work for me to get used to. I do work for games if i like them enough so i waited. The Companions where the next big hit to me. I am not a fan of Larians Origin Characters. I love the near to DAO idee of The Dark Urge. But it looks like i haven't the right Alignment for Larian. I play good or neutral only sometime evil. Lae'zel grow a lot on me and i liked Halsin from the start. the rest to put it nicely isn't for me.(I don't count minsc and Jaheira) I am picky i know. And i know i can use merchants. But they wouldn't have so much story. And i am only here for the story and my impacked on it. So let's get to the story. I watchted many LPs and the first which I noticed immediately. The beginning is the same pattern as in DOS2 ship-fight-beach. If i could skip the ship and beginn on the beach i would be much happier. Let me only say the ship part isn't for me. Next DAI was a little bit to large and have places which aren't connected to the main story. But at least i have a red thread. With BG3 which is even larger with no red thread. It feels like i making 2 quest and act 1 is finished without me even knowing that there are more quest i could do. For the ending i use spoiler tags: It would be an understatement if I said the ending wasn't made for me. No good ending, no result to what i have done. It feels like we getting a big downgrade from DAO. Why can't we work around the Mind Flayer. Only the ones using the powers get the endings we getting now. And everyone not using the power have endings where we have a DAO like ending with morrigans baby not ideal but at least good for the moment. Why Larian doesn't like happy endings with good and bright energie? I am very happy that i haven't bought the game. And everyone liking the game good for you. But for me it was the 3rd big hit after DA2 and Final Fantasys change. I have Pathfinder now so i am good at the moment. Hope this help to understand why not everybody can like the game. About the companions/Dark Urges alignment: Karlach, Wyll, Jaheira and Minsc are crlearly good. Gale is pretty good too and SHadowheart turns out to be a brainwashed Selunite, so basically good too. And even Lae'zel and Astarion have a lot of character growth and can get good, based on your decisions and how you interact with them. I think, the only pure evil character is Minthara, who you can only get on teh evil road. Halsin btw, is a bit more problematic, than you would though.
Playing as Dark Urge can be the most whoelsome way, to play the game tbh. If you play a resisting, good Durge, you're in for some really nice surprises. I wouldn't really see it as a redemption than them being their true self, free froma certain influence, like Astarion is free of Cazadors influence, both thanks to teh tadpole. Thus the Durge can explore, what they want to be.
About the ending:
I don't know, what you mean, but I didn't use a single tadpole and had a perfectly good ending. Yes, you have to decide on someone becoming a mindflayer, but let that someone be Orpheus. He isn't really a good guy and him becoming a mindflayer might prevent him from becoming githyanki Hitler, basically (making hiom basically Morrigans baby in terms of use). You can also go with the Emperor, who will honor your agreement - he will destroy the Elder Brain and then vanish. Lae'zel won't be happy though and I like her - she is totally ok with Orpheus bein ga mindflayer though.
But it is totally ok, if the game isn't for you. I wasn't a fan of the ME games from game 2 onwards, because it felt repetative and shootery. And DAI couldn't really catch me either. I ended up maiking a lot of pretty characters, but only playing through twice (and I played the crap out of DAO and DA2). Not every game is for everyone and we have the luxury to pick, what we like. I have the second Pathfinder game sitting on my desk too, to play, when I'm through with BG3.
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Post by fylimar on Nov 9, 2023 8:46:02 GMT
... I mean I think you're easily observant enough to catch things on subsequent playthroughs if you're invested but everybody has their reasons I guess. Let me give you a look in my weird head. At first I would stumble around (annoyed). Then when i get to the druid camp i would promis everyone to find a solution. Next stop save halsin (the only red thread i have). end act 1. In the area weren't much quest. For quest you have to reveal the entire map. That was my feeling when i whatch the LP.
And you are right you can catch things, but not with my role play style.
The game actually gives you a reason to explore the map a bit more - Lae'zel wants to find the gith creche to get a cure: a tiefling tells her or you that he saw a patrol. On the way to that patrol, you find a bit more of plothooks. You can ask several people about a healer and are pointed towards Nettie, who can tell you for example, that your condition isn't rugent and you have time. She also telsl you, that there are more people like us, with tadpoles and not changing, around, so anotehr reason to explore a bit. You meet Auntie Ethel, who seems to be versed in healing and she tells you, she has a tea house nearby - maybe take a look (one of the best questlines in the first act btw). You can also find some info about Kagha, that leads you to some corner of the map - if you want to help out the tieflings.
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Post by fairdragon on Nov 9, 2023 11:02:42 GMT
Let me give you a look in my weird head. At first I would stumble around (annoyed). Then when i get to the druid camp i would promis everyone to find a solution. Next stop save halsin (the only red thread i have). end act 1. In the area weren't much quest. For quest you have to reveal the entire map. That was my feeling when i whatch the LP.
And you are right you can catch things, but not with my role play style.
The game actually gives you a reason to explore the map a bit more - Lae'zel wants to find the gith creche to get a cure: a tiefling tells her or you that he saw a patrol. On the way to that patrol, you find a bit more of plothooks. You can ask several people about a healer and are pointed towards Nettie, who can tell you for example, that your condition isn't rugent and you have time. She also telsl you, that there are more people like us, with tadpoles and not changing, around, so anotehr reason to explore a bit. You meet Auntie Ethel, who seems to be versed in healing and she tells you, she has a tea house nearby - maybe take a look (one of the best questlines in the first act btw). You can also find some info about Kagha, that leads you to some corner of the map - if you want to help out the tieflings.
The problem for me and this problem goes for DAI as well. If i have a main quest which needs to be done quickly. As i said save Halsin for the peace of the druid camp and help. Maybe a evil Main character would go a different way. I will do that first. I have a discussion with a youtuber that for me saving Halsin is more importent than the Kagha problem. From a role play Perspektive. So everthing after that comes second. And i am not sure at the moment if you can do other stuff after i save Halsin.
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Post by fairdragon on Nov 9, 2023 11:05:47 GMT
About the companions/Dark Urges alignment: Karlach, Wyll, Jaheira and Minsc are crlearly good. Gale is pretty good too and SHadowheart Karlach is sweet. But let's say she is not my type. I get goosebumps when I see her skin. Because the black dots look like eyes and the rest look like snakes. Wyll's character is not for me. And i am not sure where i would put him.
Shadowheart can be sweet and i musst say she started to climb up my rankes, but later fall of. I don't like that they give her the objected.
For me the problem is more that i miss Charcter like Alistair or Sosiel to name only 2. pure good character. And yes Halsin is one. But we have 8 Companions 2 returning. 1 pure good character out of 8 is not many. I would have loved and i told that larian if it would have been like this: 3 evil, 3 good, 3 larian and 1 neutral. We have the neutral one with Jaheira, 2 good (halsin and minsc) and maybe 2 evil (Minthara and Lae'zel). I think 5 larian ones are to much. And all beside Lae'zel coming in later not at Act 1. I linked you here my answer to an other person. Maybe that help to understand what i mean. If not tell me.
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Post by fylimar on Nov 9, 2023 11:22:39 GMT
The game actually gives you a reason to explore the map a bit more - Lae'zel wants to find the gith creche to get a cure: a tiefling tells her or you that he saw a patrol. On the way to that patrol, you find a bit more of plothooks. You can ask several people about a healer and are pointed towards Nettie, who can tell you for example, that your condition isn't rugent and you have time. She also telsl you, that there are more people like us, with tadpoles and not changing, around, so anotehr reason to explore a bit. You meet Auntie Ethel, who seems to be versed in healing and she tells you, she has a tea house nearby - maybe take a look (one of the best questlines in the first act btw). You can also find some info about Kagha, that leads you to some corner of the map - if you want to help out the tieflings.
The problem for me and this problem goes for DAI as well. If i have a main quest which needs to be done quickly. As i said save Halsin for the peace of the druid camp and help. Maybe a evil Main character would go a different way. I will do that first. I have a discussion with a youtuber that for me saving Halsin is more importent than the Kagha problem. From a role play Perspektive. So everthing after that comes second. And i am not sure at the moment if you can do other stuff after i save Halsin.
You can, you can go do Ethel or the githyanki afterwards. I'm currently playing a githyanki mage and just know, that Lae'zel makes a good point, so we did go to the gith patrol (picking up Karlach along the way and freeing a politician and a widower from a buring building) , talked to the leader of the gith patrol, had a fishy feeling about them (since both Lae'zel and I succeeded in our checks) and decided, to explore otehr ways.
But yeah, I can understand wanting to go and free Halsin as soon as possible (if you get to know him better, you want to give him back, but that is another story ).
I think in my very first playthrouigh back in early access 2020, I talked to Zevlor and he asked me to do something about Kagha, bfore going off and fight the goblins. So I looked around, found the stuff about her and solved that quest first, since I felt, it was more pressuring. I thought, there was a timer on the ritual and wanted to stop that, so that I can take my time with taking on a whole camp of goblins.
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Post by fylimar on Nov 9, 2023 11:36:17 GMT
About the companions/Dark Urges alignment: Karlach, Wyll, Jaheira and Minsc are crlearly good. Gale is pretty good too and SHadowheart Karlach is sweet. But let's say she is not my type. I get goosebumps when I see her skin. Because the black dots look like eyes and the rest look like snakes. Wyll's character is not for me. And i am not sure where i would put him.
Shadowheart can be sweet and i musst say she started to climb up my rankes, but later fall of. I don't like that they give her the objected.
For me the problem is more that i miss Charcter like Alistair or Sosiel to name only 2. pure good character. And yes Halsin is one. But we have 8 Companions 2 returning. 1 pure good character out of 8 is not many. I would have loved and i told that larian if it would have been like this: 3 evil, 3 good, 3 larian and 1 neutral. We have the neutral one with Jaheira, 2 good (halsin and minsc) and maybe 2 evil (Minthara and Lae'zel). I think 5 larian ones are to much. And all beside Lae'zel coming in later not at Act 1. I linked you here my answer to an other person. Maybe that help to understand what i mean. If not tell me. I would say, Wyll fits in that category, Halsin I would not call that, for reason that would go too far here (lets just say, he changes a lot in act 3). But if you are looking for a pure, good character, that is Wyll (and Karlach, but you don't like her, so she is out I guess). Gale and Shadowheart, despite their backstories, are quite good too. Shadowheart loves, if you save children or animals, she hates you being cruel to innocents. Same with Gale, he has a pretty strong moral compass too - but both can get corrupted, Wyll and Karlach can't. Jaheira, who comes later, is good too. She had a neutral alignment in the first two games, because druids had to, but she was always clearly good in the heroic sense. Same with Minsc, he is dumb, but good to the core. Lae'zel and Astarion are reacting to the way, you treat them. They start out as being selfish and evil, because Lae'zel feels like a fish out of the water and Astarion just has had nothing but evil surrounding his existence for 200 years. Both can change a lot, if you trust them and and just be decent around them.
Lae'zel actually became one of my favourite characters. In the end, my very good aligned little halfling bard was very proud of her githyanki best friend. Tbh, I love that kind of character growth - it's a bit like with Sten or Zevran, who can change a lot to the better, if you give them the right example. I saw quite a few comparisons between Astarion and Zevran tbh. I didn't see it in the beginning, but having played through two times now (nearly), I have to agree - there are a lot of parallels.
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Post by fairdragon on Nov 9, 2023 11:52:02 GMT
Not every game is for everyone and we have the luxury to pick, what we like. That is true. And we can discuss what we like on each game and what we don't like. So thank you for the good conversations and some clarity you gave me. I will finish Pathfinder WotR what needs as many time as DAO. At the moment 4 play through in work. And 4 more waiting to get played. I haven't finish the game yet. Maybe then i will look BG3 up again and it will get a fair chance without BG1 as comparison.
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Post by fylimar on Nov 9, 2023 12:03:10 GMT
Not every game is for everyone and we have the luxury to pick, what we like. That is true. And we can discuss what we like on each game and what we don't like. So thank you for the good conversations and some clarity you gave me. I will finish Pathfinder WotR what needs as many time as DAO. At the moment 4 play through in work. And 4 more waiting to get played. I haven't finish the game yet. Maybe then i will look BG3 up again and it will get a fair chance without BG1 as comparison. Yeah, sounds like a great plan. Have fun with Pathfinder and maybe give a feedback about it.
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Post by fairdragon on Nov 9, 2023 12:39:42 GMT
I linked you here my answer to an other person. Maybe that help to understand what i mean. If not tell me. I would say, Wyll fits in that category, Halsin I would not call that, for reason that would go too far here (lets just say, he changes a lot in act 3). But if you are looking for a pure, good character, that is Wyll (and Karlach, but you don't like her, so she is out I guess). Gale and Shadowheart, despite their backstories, are quite good too. Shadowheart loves, if you save children or animals, she hates you being cruel to innocents. Same with Gale, he has a pretty strong moral compass too - but both can get corrupted, Wyll and Karlach can't. Jaheira, who comes later, is good too. She had a neutral alignment in the first two games, because druids had to, but she was always clearly good in the heroic sense. Same with Minsc, he is dumb, but good to the core. Lae'zel and Astarion are reacting to the way, you treat them. They start out as being selfish and evil, because Lae'zel feels like a fish out of the water and Astarion just has had nothing but evil surrounding his existence for 200 years. Both can change a lot, if you trust them and and just be decent around them.
Lae'zel actually became one of my favourite characters. In the end, my very good aligned little halfling bard was very proud of her githyanki best friend. Tbh, I love that kind of character growth - it's a bit like with Sten or Zevran, who can change a lot to the better, if you give them the right example. I saw quite a few comparisons between Astarion and Zevran tbh. I didn't see it in the beginning, but having played through two times now (nearly), I have to agree - there are a lot of parallels.
Wyll himself is good. He alone would be a great character. But for him, Shadowheart and for Gale Larian do what Larian have done to many of it's character complicate unnecessarily. Why do all magic connected characters have to be power hungry? (yea i don't like Gales backstory.) So the problem i have with the companions aren't the companions themself but what Larian make out of them. I have hear people say not enough evil characters and now i understand why. All character are in a grey area. Not bad, not good and not neutral.
There are some comparison possible. If you play Pathfinder WotR, take a good look at Daeran. For me he is complicated if someone like it but it works. The same goes for Lae'zel (she grow on me really fast) or astarion (yea sorry but, no) The first time i saw astarion lying on the ground i thought immediately the scene with Zevran, the first time you meet him. The only difference is that astarion doesn't give me a chance to give him a chance.
If Halsin isn't that good we only have Wyll and Karlach beeing good and showing it to you. And Minsc and Jaheira of course. In DAO i mostly run with Alistair, Leliana/Zevran and Wynne. Morrigan if i romance her.
I am not sure of a party i can take in BG3. every one would let go for minsc and Jaheira that is for sure. Wyll would maybe get a spot but i don't know.
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Post by river82 on Nov 9, 2023 18:51:09 GMT
I would say, Wyll fits in that category, Halsin I would not call that, for reason that would go too far here (lets just say, he changes a lot in act 3). But if you are looking for a pure, good character, that is Wyll (and Karlach, but you don't like her, so she is out I guess). Gale and Shadowheart, despite their backstories, are quite good too. Shadowheart loves, if you save children or animals, she hates you being cruel to innocents. Same with Gale, he has a pretty strong moral compass too - but both can get corrupted, Wyll and Karlach can't. Jaheira, who comes later, is good too. She had a neutral alignment in the first two games, because druids had to, but she was always clearly good in the heroic sense. Same with Minsc, he is dumb, but good to the core. Lae'zel and Astarion are reacting to the way, you treat them. They start out as being selfish and evil, because Lae'zel feels like a fish out of the water and Astarion just has had nothing but evil surrounding his existence for 200 years. Both can change a lot, if you trust them and and just be decent around them.
Lae'zel actually became one of my favourite characters. In the end, my very good aligned little halfling bard was very proud of her githyanki best friend. Tbh, I love that kind of character growth - it's a bit like with Sten or Zevran, who can change a lot to the better, if you give them the right example. I saw quite a few comparisons between Astarion and Zevran tbh. I didn't see it in the beginning, but having played through two times now (nearly), I have to agree - there are a lot of parallels.
Wyll himself is good. He alone would be a great character. But for him, Shadowheart and for Gale Larian do what Larian have done to many of it's character complicate unnecessarily. Why do all magic connected characters have to be power hungry? (yea i don't like Gales backstory.) So the problem i have with the companions aren't the companions themself but what Larian make out of them. I have hear people say not enough evil characters and now i understand why. All character are in a grey area. Not bad, not good and not neutral.
There are some comparison possible. If you play Pathfinder WotR, take a good look at Daeran. For me he is complicated if someone like it but it works. The same goes for Lae'zel (she grow on me really fast) or astarion (yea sorry but, no) The first time i saw astarion lying on the ground i thought immediately the scene with Zevran, the first time you meet him. The only difference is that astarion doesn't give me a chance to give him a chance.
If Halsin isn't that good we only have Wyll and Karlach beeing good and showing it to you. And Minsc and Jaheira of course. In DAO i mostly run with Alistair, Leliana/Zevran and Wynne. Morrigan if i romance her.
I am not sure of a party i can take in BG3. every one would let go for minsc and Jaheira that is for sure. Wyll would maybe get a spot but i don't know.
Wooooooow you ignore the puppy companion in DA:O ... I didn't find Daeran complicated TBH. I just found him incredibly self interested, egotistic, and boring. I found very little depth to his character. I get that his personality is a defense mechanism but eh. That being said put him next to Lann and suddenly he's extremely compelling ... Is it bad I always take Wenduag instead? Yes? Okay then xD Less than a month til Owlcat's Rogue Trader is out
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Post by fairdragon on Nov 10, 2023 9:31:09 GMT
Wyll himself is good. He alone would be a great character. But for him, Shadowheart and for Gale Larian do what Larian have done to many of it's character complicate unnecessarily. Why do all magic connected characters have to be power hungry? (yea i don't like Gales backstory.) So the problem i have with the companions aren't the companions themself but what Larian make out of them. I have hear people say not enough evil characters and now i understand why. All character are in a grey area. Not bad, not good and not neutral.
There are some comparison possible. If you play Pathfinder WotR, take a good look at Daeran. For me he is complicated if someone like it but it works. The same goes for Lae'zel (she grow on me really fast) or astarion (yea sorry but, no) The first time i saw astarion lying on the ground i thought immediately the scene with Zevran, the first time you meet him. The only difference is that astarion doesn't give me a chance to give him a chance.
If Halsin isn't that good we only have Wyll and Karlach beeing good and showing it to you. And Minsc and Jaheira of course. In DAO i mostly run with Alistair, Leliana/Zevran and Wynne. Morrigan if i romance her.
I am not sure of a party i can take in BG3. every one would let go for minsc and Jaheira that is for sure. Wyll would maybe get a spot but i don't know.
Wooooooow you ignore the puppy companion in DA:O ... I didn't find Daeran complicated TBH. I just found him incredibly self interested, egotistic, and boring. I found very little depth to his character. I get that his personality is a defense mechanism but eh. That being said put him next to Lann and suddenly he's extremely compelling ... Is it bad I always take Wenduag instead? Yes? Okay then xD Less than a month til Owlcat's Rogue Trader is out Daeran has a sense of survival. He life everyday as if it would be his last. But he is everything but not boring for me. His depth lies in his psyche. He was very young when his family got attacted and he makes the pact with whatever creature it is. After that he lives every day in total fear that he or those close to him will be killed. That he is as sane as he is, is not easy to get. His behavior is helping him to stay sane (as you say defense mechanism). And so i don't mind it (because he give you the chance to understand him). I show him the limits myself. For me he need to be rescued. He is mentally a child in my eyes. His story isn't perfect. I am a little bit sad how it turned out, but i take it as it is.
It can be that for me boring is something different then for you. I like it when i have to work with the Character to unterstand them. Alistar, Daeran and Halsin are exemple i think.
For me character get very easy to artificially complicated. I think Wyll is an good exemple: Can someone please explain to me how the pact makes sense. He wasn't a child. He was 17. He should have known what this means. Making a pact with Mizora is something stupid even in times of need. And yes the i love her thing doesn't make it even better. His story could be so much better without her. As for Wenduag... I understand why you take her instead. Her story is more interessting. But a good neutral character from me would never do that. She is power hungry and would do everything for power. Like Gale and astarion.
As for Rogue Trader i am not a space fan when it comes to gaming. Don't know why. Never played ME.
No, the puppy companion was my love and i want them back @bioware. But for me he was the guard of the camp and get every love everytime i come back to camp. Every romance was always second place.
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Post by vonuber on Nov 10, 2023 12:44:51 GMT
Lae'zel is not evil.
And later in Act 2 there is an awesome pair of good aligned characters.
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Post by wickedcool on Nov 16, 2023 14:14:15 GMT
Even the animal companions are great in this game
Allistair gets the dog in dai. As the pc we get it
The whole there’s 2 many evil characters in Bg3. Really??? Let’s review
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Wynne-not evil but she will kill you if you don’t agree with her. Plus she’s really not who she says she is (book spoilers) Shale-will turn on you and she’s miserable most of the time (still love her) Zevran-try’s to kill you and is basically an assassin for hire Sten-you really have to work hard to make him a loyal follower Morrigan-power hungry mage
It gets worse in awakening etc etc
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Post by RelevantRevenant on Nov 16, 2023 20:21:38 GMT
Lae'zel is not evil. And later in Act 2 there is an awesome pair of good aligned characters. I had to have a think about who we meet in Act 2 before I got your meaning 😂 Also, since this thread is about comparisons... When you help Wyll find Karlach, you meet a blonde lad called Anders who can get bothersome. He definitely reminded me of someone else we all know.
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Post by vonuber on Nov 17, 2023 1:42:21 GMT
I had to have a think about who we meet in Act 2 before I got your meaning 😂 The best couple!
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Post by fairdragon on Nov 18, 2023 8:03:36 GMT
Even the animal companions are great in this game Allistair gets the dog in dai. As the pc we get it The whole there’s 2 many evil characters in Bg3. Really??? Let’s review Possible party members dragon age Wynne-not evil but she will kill you if you don’t agree with her. Plus she’s really not who she says she is (book spoilers) Shale-will turn on you and she’s miserable most of the time (still love her) Zevran-try’s to kill you and is basically an assassin for hire Sten-you really have to work hard to make him a loyal follower Morrigan-power hungry mage It gets worse in awakening etc etc Zevran = Astarion The reson why people don't see Zevran as that evil, is because he show that he can change. So they put him in neutral and astarion in evil. Because they say it isn't Zevrans decision. What he does before us.
Morrigan = Gale Yes Morrigan is not good character and that is okay. Because only good character would be boring as well. Gale is one of many not so good character and for me boring.
Sten = Lea'zel This is the same as Morrigan and Lea'zel grow on me a lote.
Loghain/Shale = minsc/Jaheira This are optional or late game companion. Most people will not see or not work with this companions. Unless you come from BG1 and BG2.
Let's see: DAO 10 companions BG3 10 companions
DAO 2 good companions: Alistair and Dog BG3 1 good companions: Minsc (late game)
DAO Neutral/grey Companions: Leliana, Oghren, Wynne and Zevran BG3 Neutral/grey companions: Jaheira, Halsin, Karlach, Wyll, Gale and Shadowheart.
DAO evil companions: Loghain, Shale, Morrigan and Sten. BG3 evil companions: Astarion, Lae'zel and Minthara
If you look at this BG3 isn't any different than DAO. But the small things matter. For the most player DAO have in a good run only 2 evil character and you can easy ignor them. For Sten you can not take him with you. You have other companions instead. For BG3 also have only 2 Lae'zel and Astarion are as Morrigan. But the question is do you found someone to take instead. Astarion is the only Rogue. So it is important what comes with the neutral/Grey part. DAO Leliana and Wynne look at first more good than neutrale. BG3 Jaheira, Halsin and Wyll look at first more good than neutrale (2 late game)
So what does a BG3 player see: DAO 7 companions at the beginning. For BG3 6. DAO: 2 Good, 3 neutral (2 more in a good way), 2 evil (easy to exchange) BG3: 0 Good, 4 neutrale (1 more in a good way), 2 evil
So people which play good see more evil at the start than good. But for people which want to play evil the 3 neutrale one are to good in later game. So nobody is happy. And the BG1 and BG2 player look at this and ask if this is a joke.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 18, 2023 10:39:11 GMT
BG3 and DA:O even DA:I have one common theme in the camps. The NPCs + extras are placed somewhere and become mannequins. Interesting that the devs don't have them mingle with one another. DA2 has the same thing but only for the Elf camps.
I wish the studio puts some of them together in the camps and maybe we can have a three way conversation. A cinematic or two won't hurt either.
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Post by witchcocktor on Nov 18, 2023 11:00:45 GMT
BG3 and DA:O even DA:I have one common theme in the camps. The NPCs + extras are placed somewhere and become mannequins. Interesting that the devs don't have them mingle with one another. DA2 has the same thing but only for the Elf camps.
I wish the studio puts some of them together in the camps and maybe we can have a three way conversation. A cinematic or two won't hurt either.
This is true, but there is banter in Skyhold in the form of Leliana's, Josephine's and Cullen's retainers/assistants going around delivering messages between the companions and the advisors. There's also the trainers who might sometimes appear next to the companions in Skyhold for some brief banter related to their specialization. It's not much and I've rarely seen them in the actual game, but it is something at least.
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