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snip So running around trapsing after Sylens in the desert and I find him and what he did with HADES and tracking down a possible Gaia backup. Now I really like Sylens he was my favorite character from the first one and indeed probably my favorite thing from the first one...RIP Lance Reddick...but the man is also kind of a dick sometimes. But there is a lot to say and a lot to unpack here all told. First off just got to one of the best scenes that I remember from watching the LP one of the ones that made me go 'oooh this game could be onto something'. Aloy chatting with Hades. Just such wonderful writing and tenor. I really notice that the game does tend to be very high red tint. But just like the 'no data available thing' Hades does and he does really manage to get under her skin. Now Sylens is a bit of a fascinating case study here though because he is very much in the 'anti hero/ villain' really gray morality really self focussed morality kind of characters that I do tend to like. Which also brings me again to wondering another example of how they might do this for Solas... Now it is kind of cheating though because I do not remember much of HFWs marketing campaign so not sure how much this applies and really the end of the game very quickly set up as Sylens being a potential antagonist for the next one. I bring this up because its also something I hate, ala Battlefront 2 and Halo 5, where the marketing campaign sets up a specific type of story and then rips the rug out from under you. All of this is window dressing because despite Aloy going off after Sylens very quickly though he is revealed to actually not be that bad and they have the same exact motives. Not like 'we have the same goals but our tactics diverge so wildly that we are at odds.' But pretty legitimate. He is even going in and being a voice in her ear again...despite telling her he had no interest in her any more! But this does set up the idea that he is not actually the bad guy and has maybe the same role as the first game...because despite all of his -bordering-on-extreme-pragmatism-evil-self interest he doesn't want to die, of course not. So he has a vested interest in seeing Aloy succeed...even though he does have his own agenda. Plus like with Boyd Crowder and wondering if they will do this for Solas I know he is not ultimatley going to be the big bad of the game...we might even meet them soon. Which brings me to juicy plot point number 2 that I realized...in relation. Now one of my least favorite bits of Harry Potter was Harry's insistence of 'going it alone'. Like I am a super big individualist maybe to a fault but I do recognize/ believe the theory that teams of individuals joining together can make themselves balanced and stronger. So Aloy seems to be going on a similar arc...leading to similar annoyances. But, I realized in the doing that this game actually has a bit of a twist because in running around the lates Zero Dawn facility that Travis Tate does go and says that Elisabet did the same thing as Aloy did, go it alone, and not have a single friend...just employees I guess. Sylens even comments that the very great is a solitary life as both of them know. And it just seems to me that is the ultimate difference because this game does have an interesting take on 'nature versus nurture' and Aloy is a clone of Elisabet and also in the sense that they share a lot of the same personality traits in addition to having genetics. But if Elisabet pushed everyone away and just viewed Zero Dawn as being her burden alone despite having other people working on it with her... What does that say, spoilers for the end of the game... When Aloy essentially overcomes this lie that both of them believe and build a team to take on Far Zenith and the Tenakth? Even manages to get Sylens onboard at the very end in order to stop the next threat. Of course we will have to see where this theme goes in the next Horizon game if/when we get it so its possible that she could just have the same relationship with her people as Elisabet did with hers...but given how much Varl and Errend legit care for her so far, and despite Sylens be so curmugeonly, I don't think so. That Aloy is genuinly interested in being a leader of strong individuals and not a solitary figure just using people to achieve her goals...like Sylens for that matter. It is, if nothing else, an interesting thought. RE: The games take on nature vs. nurture. Well, later on, they do go pretty wild with this, when Beta joins you. She has a completely different personality, clearly because she was brought up under VERY different circumstances. There is actually one dialogue you can have with her, where she asks Aloy about her upbringing with Rost, how she fought in the proving etc. When she says she couldn't have done any of that, Aloy says that not all Nora have as hard of a life as she's had and many are just regular hunters, stichers, etc.. But Beta replies with something like "If I was born into the Nora tribe, I couldn't have done any of this." At this point, Aloy kinda ends the conversation, which I found a little disappointing. I would have expected her to ansewr with something like: "Look at us, me and you. We are virtually identical from a biological point of view. I am proof that you could have done anything I have done.". Because Beta and Aloy are the perfect real life nature vs. nurture experiment (and Sobeck, too I guess but we don't have direct access to her). They are genetic twins and the major difference is their upbringing, which was radically different. I would have expected Aloy to pick up on this. She is usually pretty sharp when it come to things like that. My head canon is that she was too annoyed and frustrated with Beta at that point anyway and just wanted to get out of the room fast.
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Post by dazk on May 31, 2024 0:47:41 GMT
Was bored after finishing a book series that has devoured a lot of my downtime lately so jumped into HZD FW for a quick session, totally forgot how most things work. Got the hang of it again after a bit. Straight up beautiful scenery Straight up typical Aloy look
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dazkWhat's that armor you got Aloy in? Right now I am in a bit of a weird place with the armor. I like the machine look of the Nora Champion and its anciliaries but don't like the little crown thing on the forehead. Meanwhile the other Nora stuff...not sure I like it either. So really curious to find armor that I actually fully like the aethetics of. Anyways... One thing that has crept up on me about this game is its facial animations and what not. Now not entirely sure about the technical aspects of this or why this happens but I can certainly notice some patterns and its something a bit weird. Because a lot of these modern games and these 'mo cap' games all seem to have a lot of weird moments when it comes to the lips, jaw, teeth. They all really tend to have that same grimace face that MEA got made fun of, I see it a lot of times in more modern games. But the rest of the face? My God if Aloy isn't expressive and where these games may suffer in the lower face the upper face, especially the eyes, and the eyes in this game...woof. Terrific facial animations and it really does do a good job of making Aloy a really expressive character this time out in addition to the voice acting. Death's DoorSo why did I like Sylens again? I don't seem to remember him being this much of a jerk in the first game . I do kind of wish I had a chance to replay the first one now so much because I do feel a little on the lost side in a lot of this. And I forgot that Far Zenith, or I missed it in the LP, has their own copy of Appollo. Either way that explains a whole lot about them. And we meet Beta. Which AnDromedary I didn't really want to talk about yet since I hadn't quite gotten there in the game. I was aware of her and aware of her commentary from a meta perspective on nature v nurture, but hadn't met her in game yet and since this is my first time playing didn't want to bring it up. That said her existance in the game is quite a pickle in that whole conversation but I am sure we will get to it more later. Though in the end the main draw for her at this point is how much crow Sylens is probably eating right now. Its also goes a long way to explain how Aloy and him remain antagonistic throughout much of the game. They still have their own agendas and their own ways of achieving their objectives just playing off Far Zenith and their own people as the wild card faction. And him being all like 'they need you, they don't have a clone'...and then well shit. I mean Aloy is often shortsighted though stomping on her focus though this is the first time that Sylens's hubris blows up so thoroughly in his face...at least on camera. He reminds me of someone the more I play... The only thing I'm not sure I liked is the presentation of the Far Zenith people. Granted I recognize 'Tilda' and know she has some kind of role to play in allying with Aloy later, and granted if my theory on writing pans out then in order to balance off the still 'gray' frenemy like Sylens needs to be balanced out by more black characters and factions like Far Zenith...but Erik's behavior was especially apalling. And interesting. A real sociopath (?) But he did say two things which caught my ear that A. first off he likes practicing killing in VR and likes watching the light leave people's eyes. and B. that it does not replace the real thing and he is going to enjoy watching that happen to Aloy. Now this implies a lot...like maybe thematically the Far Zenith people are colder and emotionless representing what Sylens could become if he goes down that path, and hence Aloy/ Elisabet...also throw in Ted Faro (though he went more insane)...but I think you get the point. But it also implies that he has had a chance to practice. Maybe Far Zenith has fought wars with itself? Maybe he has had plenty of opprotunity to murder his opposition? Time will tell.
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Post by dazk on May 31, 2024 11:22:54 GMT
dazk What's that armor you got Aloy in? Right now I am in a bit of a weird place with the armor. I like the machine look of the Nora Champion and its anciliaries but don't like the little crown thing on the forehead. Meanwhile the other Nora stuff...not sure I like it either. So really curious to find armor that I actually fully like the aethetics of. Anyways... One thing that has crept up on me about this game is its facial animations and what not. Now not entirely sure about the technical aspects of this or why this happens but I can certainly notice some patterns and its something a bit weird. Because a lot of these modern games and these 'mo cap' games all seem to have a lot of weird moments when it comes to the lips, jaw, teeth. They all really tend to have that same grimace face that MEA got made fun of, I see it a lot of times in more modern games. But the rest of the face? My God if Aloy isn't expressive and where these games may suffer in the lower face the upper face, especially the eyes, and the eyes in this game...woof. Terrific facial animations and it really does do a good job of making Aloy a really expressive character this time out in addition to the voice acting. Death's DoorSo why did I like Sylens again? I don't seem to remember him being this much of a jerk in the first game . I do kind of wish I had a chance to replay the first one now so much because I do feel a little on the lost side in a lot of this. And I forgot that Far Zenith, or I missed it in the LP, has their own copy of Appollo. Either way that explains a whole lot about them. And we meet Beta. Which AnDromedary I didn't really want to talk about yet since I hadn't quite gotten there in the game. I was aware of her and aware of her commentary from a meta perspective on nature v nurture, but hadn't met her in game yet and since this is my first time playing didn't want to bring it up. That said her existance in the game is quite a pickle in that whole conversation but I am sure we will get to it more later. Though in the end the main draw for her at this point is how much crow Sylens is probably eating right now. Its also goes a long way to explain how Aloy and him remain antagonistic throughout much of the game. They still have their own agendas and their own ways of achieving their objectives just playing off Far Zenith and their own people as the wild card faction. And him being all like 'they need you, they don't have a clone'...and then well shit. I mean Aloy is often shortsighted though stomping on her focus though this is the first time that Sylens's hubris blows up so thoroughly in his face...at least on camera. He reminds me of someone the more I play... The only thing I'm not sure I liked is the presentation of the Far Zenith people. Granted I recognize 'Tilda' and know she has some kind of role to play in allying with Aloy later, and granted if my theory on writing pans out then in order to balance off the still 'gray' frenemy like Sylens needs to be balanced out by more black characters and factions like Far Zenith...but Erik's behavior was especially apalling. And interesting. A real sociopath (?) But he did say two things which caught my ear that A. first off he likes practicing killing in VR and likes watching the light leave people's eyes. and B. that it does not replace the real thing and he is going to enjoy watching that happen to Aloy. Now this implies a lot...like maybe thematically the Far Zenith people are colder and emotionless representing what Sylens could become if he goes down that path, and hence Aloy/ Elisabet...also throw in Ted Faro (though he went more insane)...but I think you get the point. But it also implies that he has had a chance to practice. Maybe Far Zenith has fought wars with itself? Maybe he has had plenty of opprotunity to murder his opposition? Time will tell. It's not the armour I have equipped it's the look that I applied but it's I believe a Nora one just cannot remember the name and I can't log into the game now.
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dazk What's that armor you got Aloy in? Right now I am in a bit of a weird place with the armor. I like the machine look of the Nora Champion and its anciliaries but don't like the little crown thing on the forehead. Meanwhile the other Nora stuff...not sure I like it either. So really curious to find armor that I actually fully like the aethetics of. Anyways... One thing that has crept up on me about this game is its facial animations and what not. Now not entirely sure about the technical aspects of this or why this happens but I can certainly notice some patterns and its something a bit weird. Because a lot of these modern games and these 'mo cap' games all seem to have a lot of weird moments when it comes to the lips, jaw, teeth. They all really tend to have that same grimace face that MEA got made fun of, I see it a lot of times in more modern games. But the rest of the face? My God if Aloy isn't expressive and where these games may suffer in the lower face the upper face, especially the eyes, and the eyes in this game...woof. Terrific facial animations and it really does do a good job of making Aloy a really expressive character this time out in addition to the voice acting. Death's DoorSo why did I like Sylens again? I don't seem to remember him being this much of a jerk in the first game . I do kind of wish I had a chance to replay the first one now so much because I do feel a little on the lost side in a lot of this. And I forgot that Far Zenith, or I missed it in the LP, has their own copy of Appollo. Either way that explains a whole lot about them. And we meet Beta. Which AnDromedary I didn't really want to talk about yet since I hadn't quite gotten there in the game. I was aware of her and aware of her commentary from a meta perspective on nature v nurture, but hadn't met her in game yet and since this is my first time playing didn't want to bring it up. That said her existance in the game is quite a pickle in that whole conversation but I am sure we will get to it more later. Though in the end the main draw for her at this point is how much crow Sylens is probably eating right now. Its also goes a long way to explain how Aloy and him remain antagonistic throughout much of the game. They still have their own agendas and their own ways of achieving their objectives just playing off Far Zenith and their own people as the wild card faction. And him being all like 'they need you, they don't have a clone'...and then well shit. I mean Aloy is often shortsighted though stomping on her focus though this is the first time that Sylens's hubris blows up so thoroughly in his face...at least on camera. He reminds me of someone the more I play... The only thing I'm not sure I liked is the presentation of the Far Zenith people. Granted I recognize 'Tilda' and know she has some kind of role to play in allying with Aloy later, and granted if my theory on writing pans out then in order to balance off the still 'gray' frenemy like Sylens needs to be balanced out by more black characters and factions like Far Zenith...but Erik's behavior was especially apalling. And interesting. A real sociopath (?) But he did say two things which caught my ear that A. first off he likes practicing killing in VR and likes watching the light leave people's eyes. and B. that it does not replace the real thing and he is going to enjoy watching that happen to Aloy. Now this implies a lot...like maybe thematically the Far Zenith people are colder and emotionless representing what Sylens could become if he goes down that path, and hence Aloy/ Elisabet...also throw in Ted Faro (though he went more insane)...but I think you get the point. But it also implies that he has had a chance to practice. Maybe Far Zenith has fought wars with itself? Maybe he has had plenty of opprotunity to murder his opposition? Time will tell. It's not the armour I have equipped it's the look that I applied but it's I believe a Nora one just cannot remember the name and I can't log into the game now. Nora Outlook I believe it's called as it's in Zero Dawn as well as I have a mod that adds it as it wasn't in the complete one it wa soriginally a perorde rbonus fo rZero Dawn on PS4. I can't find the mod I used t oadd it but I did find this one which also adds it i fanyone is interested. www.nexusmods.com/horizonzerodawn/mods/272
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Post by dazk on May 31, 2024 12:50:45 GMT
No mods for me in HZD FW, I think on PC we got everything as it was the "Complete Edition".
"Nora Lookout" I think it is called.
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No mods for me in HZD FW, I think on PC we got everything as it was the "Complete Edition". "Nora Lookout" I think it is called. Yeah I don't really us emods on Horizon eithe rothe rthan the addition o fthis outfit as I like how Alo ylooks in it in Zero Dawn. Other than this I play the game as is.
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So completed a couple of missions/side quest/errands yesterday, one was to sort out the water problem at Aroow Hand/Scalding Spear. Sided with Yarra again, Drakka may not have known but as far as I am aware there is no way to know if he did but he just also seems like a hot head. No one needs one of them in charge of anything. Did the errand to find some flowers for an old Tanakth woman and the other segments of that which was a time soak as I decided to fly as I also wanted to collect a Horus Bomb for another mission to get some Greenshine. The Greenshine did not prove worth the effort and the bomb had a very small time effect which meant Aloy jumped into a shit storm of a fight. Pic's Only two people have a brain in this picture and it isn't the one on the left Yarra is stubborn to the point of stupidity but just maybe Aloy taught her something about leadership and communication Point to hand as to why I hate puzzles, even this simple puzzle i struggled with, only took 4 attempts Got granny some flowers and visited her long lost loves grave. Scenery
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Post by Element Zero on Jun 1, 2024 1:41:23 GMT
dazk, the Nora Lookout was also in HZD. I think it was one of the vendor-specific preorder bonuses. I got the code from a guy I knew. I assume you guys got all of that stuff with the PC version? I really like the colors, the Watcher helmet, and the materials used in the design. I don't like the cape, though, nor that it's sleeveless and that she's basically wearing shorts. In HZD, I mostly use the Werak Chieftain (w/regen), Carja Silks, and Carja Blazon Master. I do swap for specific elemental protections during specific fights. I have multiples of my favorites, so often swapping armor doesn't require swapping looks. In HFW, my favorite is the Nora Thunder Warrior (Grey Dawn dye). I use it exclusively. If I want to apply transmog, it's usually the Carja Stalker Elite (Burnished Sun), Carja Behemoth Elite (Blood Dusk), or Carja Behemoth Trapper (default) quite a bit. I occasionally use others, but those are my favorite looks.
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Post by dazk on Jun 1, 2024 2:24:12 GMT
dazk , the Nora Lookout was also in HZD. I think it was one of the vendor-specific preorder bonuses. I got the code from a guy I knew. I assume you guys got all of that stuff with the PC version? I really like the colors, the Watcher helmet, and the materials used in the design. I don't like the cape, though, nor that it's sleeveless and that she's basically wearing shorts. In HZD, I mostly use the Werak Chieftain (w/regen), Carja Silks, and Carja Blazon Master. I do swap for specific elemental protections during specific fights. I have multiples of my favorites, so often swapping armor doesn't require swapping looks. In HFW, my favorite is the Nora Thunder Warrior (Grey Dawn dye). I use it exclusively. If I want to apply transmog, it's usually the Carja Stalker Elite (Burnished Sun), Carja Behemoth Elite (Blood Dusk), or Carja Behemoth Trapper (default) quite a bit. I occasionally use others, but those are my favorite looks. Yeah on PC we got the "Complete Edition" which included everything I believe except for stuff you needed to get through Hunting Lodge and Melee pit challenges. Quite honestly, I hate nearly all the armour looks, they are IMO not practical and/or look awful even with the colour options. The other issue I have is I want to chop and change based on t eh situation but I just really do not like a lot of the options. The Utaru armours look nice but I am not a fan of sandals. The Nora stuff I like the chest and arm armour but hate the thick puffy shin things. I am sure they are meant to be practical in the cold but would be terrible for getting soaked and water logged. Some of the Oseram stuff is OK but just looks too bulky for Aloy's build or I just find it aesthetically unappealing. I like the Caja stuff mostly but feel it's inappropriate wearing it. These are my two favourites, not necessarily the Blazon in Red I just felt like a change yesterday I like these Nora ones but necessarily in these colours This is my favourite Tenakth one but the chest pieces all look to bulky This is my favourite Utaru one This is my favourite Oseram one
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dazk , the Nora Lookout was also in HZD. I think it was one of the vendor-specific preorder bonuses. I got the code from a guy I knew. I assume you guys got all of that stuff with the PC version? I really like the colors, the Watcher helmet, and the materials used in the design. I don't like the cape, though, nor that it's sleeveless and that she's basically wearing shorts. In HZD, I mostly use the Werak Chieftain (w/regen), Carja Silks, and Carja Blazon Master. I do swap for specific elemental protections during specific fights. I have multiples of my favorites, so often swapping armor doesn't require swapping looks. In HFW, my favorite is the Nora Thunder Warrior (Grey Dawn dye). I use it exclusively. If I want to apply transmog, it's usually the Carja Stalker Elite (Burnished Sun), Carja Behemoth Elite (Blood Dusk), or Carja Behemoth Trapper (default) quite a bit. I occasionally use others, but those are my favorite looks. No it wasn't part o fthe complet eedition as I asid I found a mod on Nexus tha tadds it inZero Dawn. It's more a save file that adds it that's compatibl ewith PC.It loads up at the point where Alo y becomes adult Aloy thereby skipping the 6 year old prologue bit They gaveus everything else just not that for some reason. In Zero Dawn I thin kmy favourites were the Carja silks and the Banuk ones as I like the Ice on ean dthe Sickness Eater one that protect sagainst corruptoin. In |Forbidden Wes tI thin km yfavourites ae rthe Tenakth ones the Vanquisher I thin kit's called and the Recon one. I do tend t ochange my outfits in Zero Dawn based orff what I'm up agains ta tth e time as well at least in Zero Dawn not s omuch in Forbidden West as based on my experience on my playthrough of that it doesn't matter so much there. But yeah when staring down Glithawks it's a good idea t ohav ethe Banuk Ic e outfit. o rthe Oseram outfit when staring down a Stormbird.
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Grinding through side quests because the level cap for the next mission was like three ahead. This will be something to keep track of as I continue to play.
Ran into an old friend who I did not know the name of, fought one of my biggest machine challenges so far...a Shellwalker. Drained all my health packs basically and used a potion on it. Then ran into a note for an Oseram and Aloy made reference to knowing him and he made references to knowing her...but have no idea who he might be talking about. Hmm unless it was that one guy in the Frozen North...that was a dam wasn't it? Which would be even more interesting since he referenced the Burnign SHores which I am quite sure is the DLC expansion for HFW.
Then on my way to get back to doing the salvage contract I am after...bumped into a rather fun Errand. Which thought it might've been releated to something from HZD...but not this time. Funny enough though it was a situation of 'argh immediete danger!' and I decided to bite on it because well, I don't always approve but grindy grinding, and then I went to go save said person....and it ended up being 'but wait there's more' hunting down lenses for the lady with one on the tutorial. But then things took another curious turn when this one lady also essentially seems to be one of those gameplay tropes where she is for collecting these lenses and then getting it to her. If like a llot of these side quests I happen to complete them in the wild...then maybe.
Wrapped up with the salvage contract which...well really curious to see what this armor is that they are going to be handing out basically. Got to test out some more of my arrow talents. On the whole airborne volley thing having trouble hitting it 'live' so I do wonder if the Hunter Bow three power arrow strike will be more my speed. And also wondering when I will be able to max out what I want for the Hunter and Infiltrator trees.
Oh and used a new weapon which was like a disc throwing gauntlet of which I forgot the name of. Not sure how powerful it is or what utility it has, yet, but it did 'grind' into the Shellwalker for extra damage. But part of the issue is that the resources for it also is used to build some of the arrows for the Sharpshot bow...and everyone knows what a bow fan I am.
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Grinding through side quests because the level cap for the next mission was like three ahead. This will be something to keep track of as I continue to play. Ran into an old friend who I did not know the name of, fought one of my biggest machine challenges so far...a Shellwalker. Drained all my health packs basically and used a potion on it. Then ran into a note for an Oseram and Aloy made reference to knowing him and he made references to knowing her...but have no idea who he might be talking about. Hmm unless it was that one guy in the Frozen North...that was a dam wasn't it? Which would be even more interesting since he referenced the Burnign SHores which I am quite sure is the DLC expansion for HFW. Then on my way to get back to doing the salvage contract I am after...bumped into a rather fun Errand. Which thought it might've been releated to something from HZD...but not this time. Funny enough though it was a situation of 'argh immediete danger!' and I decided to bite on it because well, I don't always approve but grindy grinding, and then I went to go save said person....and it ended up being 'but wait there's more' hunting down lenses for the lady with one on the tutorial. But then things took another curious turn when this one lady also essentially seems to be one of those gameplay tropes where she is for collecting these lenses and then getting it to her. If like a llot of these side quests I happen to complete them in the wild...then maybe. Wrapped up with the salvage contract which...well really curious to see what this armor is that they are going to be handing out basically. Got to test out some more of my arrow talents. On the whole airborne volley thing having trouble hitting it 'live' so I do wonder if the Hunter Bow three power arrow strike will be more my speed. And also wondering when I will be able to max out what I want for the Hunter and Infiltrator trees. Oh and used a new weapon which was like a disc throwing gauntlet of which I forgot the name of. Not sure how powerful it is or what utility it has, yet, but it did 'grind' into the Shellwalker for extra damage. But part of the issue is that the resources for it also is used to build some of the arrows for the Sharpshot bow...and everyone knows what a bow fan I am. Yeah a lot o fweapons use the asm ematerials in places I think it largel ydepensd on ho wmuch you'rewilling to grind/carry wit hthe way inventory works in these games. But yeah the disc throwers aer called Shredde rGauntlets but yeah I never got far with them personally but maybe tha twa sbecause I never quite go tused t ousing them properly and need a little more time experimenting as in my firs trun I was moer intersted in the swtor ytha nmessin gabou ttoo muc hwith weapons an dupgrades. There were times I thin kI could and perhap sshould have done moer t oge tbetter weapons and such t omak etaking out some machines easier, but that's something I'm going t otake into m ynex tplaythrough as I'm planning on doing a back to back run of both games later But yeah I'm moer of a sniper give m ea sharpshot and I'll make quick work of most machines though I will say the bolt blasters are quiet fun to use as well once you've had a little practice as the ycan make quic kwork of any flying machines that you have to defend yourself from.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jun 2, 2024 22:29:22 GMT
dazk , the Nora Lookout was also in HZD. I think it was one of the vendor-specific preorder bonuses. I got the code from a guy I knew. I assume you guys got all of that stuff with the PC version? I really like the colors, the Watcher helmet, and the materials used in the design. I don't like the cape, though, nor that it's sleeveless and that she's basically wearing shorts. In HZD, I mostly use the Werak Chieftain (w/regen), Carja Silks, and Carja Blazon Master. I do swap for specific elemental protections during specific fights. I have multiples of my favorites, so often swapping armor doesn't require swapping looks. In HFW, my favorite is the Nora Thunder Warrior (Grey Dawn dye). I use it exclusively. If I want to apply transmog, it's usually the Carja Stalker Elite (Burnished Sun), Carja Behemoth Elite (Blood Dusk), or Carja Behemoth Trapper (default) quite a bit. I occasionally use others, but those are my favorite looks. Yeah on PC we got the "Complete Edition" which included everything I believe except for stuff you needed to get through Hunting Lodge and Melee pit challenges. Quite honestly, I hate nearly all the armour looks, they are IMO not practical and/or look awful even with the colour options. The other issue I have is I want to chop and change based on t eh situation but I just really do not like a lot of the options. The Utaru armours look nice but I am not a fan of sandals. The Nora stuff I like the chest and arm armour but hate the thick puffy shin things. I am sure they are meant to be practical in the cold but would be terrible for getting soaked and water logged. Some of the Oseram stuff is OK but just looks too bulky for Aloy's build or I just find it aesthetically unappealing. I like the Caja stuff mostly but feel it's inappropriate wearing it. These are my two favourites, not necessarily the Blazon in Red I just felt like a change yesterday I like these Nora ones but necessarily in these colours This is my favourite Tenakth one but the chest pieces all look to bulky This is my favourite Utaru one This is my favourite Oseram one See, that's the kind of armour I"ve been searching all over hell's half acre for.....Where do you get sets like that?
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Yeah on PC we got the "Complete Edition" which included everything I believe except for stuff you needed to get through Hunting Lodge and Melee pit challenges. Quite honestly, I hate nearly all the armour looks, they are IMO not practical and/or look awful even with the colour options. The other issue I have is I want to chop and change based on t eh situation but I just really do not like a lot of the options. The Utaru armours look nice but I am not a fan of sandals. The Nora stuff I like the chest and arm armour but hate the thick puffy shin things. I am sure they are meant to be practical in the cold but would be terrible for getting soaked and water logged. Some of the Oseram stuff is OK but just looks too bulky for Aloy's build or I just find it aesthetically unappealing. I like the Caja stuff mostly but feel it's inappropriate wearing it. These are my two favourites, not necessarily the Blazon in Red I just felt like a change yesterday I like these Nora ones but necessarily in these colours This is my favourite Tenakth one but the chest pieces all look to bulky This is my favourite Utaru one This is my favourite Oseram one See, that's the kind of armour I"ve been searching all over hell's half acre for.....Where do you get sets like that? You either by uthem o rearn them a squest rewards. The Nora Lookout outfit isn't available until you get to the Burning Shores though
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Post by dazk on Jun 3, 2024 0:30:28 GMT
Yeah on PC we got the "Complete Edition" which included everything I believe except for stuff you needed to get through Hunting Lodge and Melee pit challenges. Quite honestly, I hate nearly all the armour looks, they are IMO not practical and/or look awful even with the colour options. The other issue I have is I want to chop and change based on t eh situation but I just really do not like a lot of the options. The Utaru armours look nice but I am not a fan of sandals. The Nora stuff I like the chest and arm armour but hate the thick puffy shin things. I am sure they are meant to be practical in the cold but would be terrible for getting soaked and water logged. Some of the Oseram stuff is OK but just looks too bulky for Aloy's build or I just find it aesthetically unappealing. I like the Caja stuff mostly but feel it's inappropriate wearing it. These are my two favourites, not necessarily the Blazon in Red I just felt like a change yesterday See, that's the kind of armour I"ve been searching all over hell's half acre for.....Where do you get sets like that? This one Energizer Bunny 211 or one of the others? This one is found in a chest in a Rebel Camp: The Eastern Lie I think
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Post by dazk on Jun 3, 2024 0:42:36 GMT
Grinding through side quests because the level cap for the next mission was like three ahead. This will be something to keep track of as I continue to play. Ran into an old friend who I did not know the name of, fought one of my biggest machine challenges so far...a Shellwalker. Drained all my health packs basically and used a potion on it. Then ran into a note for an Oseram and Aloy made reference to knowing him and he made references to knowing her...but have no idea who he might be talking about. Hmm unless it was that one guy in the Frozen North...that was a dam wasn't it? Which would be even more interesting since he referenced the Burnign SHores which I am quite sure is the DLC expansion for HFW. Then on my way to get back to doing the salvage contract I am after...bumped into a rather fun Errand. Which thought it might've been releated to something from HZD...but not this time. Funny enough though it was a situation of 'argh immediete danger!' and I decided to bite on it because well, I don't always approve but grindy grinding, and then I went to go save said person....and it ended up being 'but wait there's more' hunting down lenses for the lady with one on the tutorial. But then things took another curious turn when this one lady also essentially seems to be one of those gameplay tropes where she is for collecting these lenses and then getting it to her. If like a llot of these side quests I happen to complete them in the wild...then maybe. Wrapped up with the salvage contract which...well really curious to see what this armor is that they are going to be handing out basically. Got to test out some more of my arrow talents. On the whole airborne volley thing having trouble hitting it 'live' so I do wonder if the Hunter Bow three power arrow strike will be more my speed. And also wondering when I will be able to max out what I want for the Hunter and Infiltrator trees. Oh and used a new weapon which was like a disc throwing gauntlet of which I forgot the name of. Not sure how powerful it is or what utility it has, yet, but it did 'grind' into the Shellwalker for extra damage. But part of the issue is that the resources for it also is used to build some of the arrows for the Sharpshot bow...and everyone knows what a bow fan I am. The Salvage contracts can be fun or tedious in my experience and I didn't feel the armour was worth the effort TBH. I am surprised you are under levelled for anything, if you follow the main story and go out of your way to do all the side quests in those areas you should be way ahead of the quest level caps. Plus go out of your way to kill all the machines you can, good for supplies and XP. The Shredder Gauntlets are great for distance and if you can master catching the returning discs great for not wasting ammo plus I think the damage gets greater every consecutive catch. Throw one start moving sideways and if it hits a machine/enemy the disc will automatically return to you. Rinse and repeat. They are also just great fun, killer Frisby's. I used few of the Valor Surges, the main one was the Ranged Master that gives you extra damage, hitting weak points I was taking down Thunderjaws and Tremor Tusks with one shot with the Sharpshot bow and precision arrows. The other one I used was the Invisibility one plus probably a few others a few times.
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Grinding through side quests because the level cap for the next mission was like three ahead. This will be something to keep track of as I continue to play. Ran into an old friend who I did not know the name of, fought one of my biggest machine challenges so far...a Shellwalker. Drained all my health packs basically and used a potion on it. Then ran into a note for an Oseram and Aloy made reference to knowing him and he made references to knowing her...but have no idea who he might be talking about. Hmm unless it was that one guy in the Frozen North...that was a dam wasn't it? Which would be even more interesting since he referenced the Burnign SHores which I am quite sure is the DLC expansion for HFW. Then on my way to get back to doing the salvage contract I am after...bumped into a rather fun Errand. Which thought it might've been releated to something from HZD...but not this time. Funny enough though it was a situation of 'argh immediete danger!' and I decided to bite on it because well, I don't always approve but grindy grinding, and then I went to go save said person....and it ended up being 'but wait there's more' hunting down lenses for the lady with one on the tutorial. But then things took another curious turn when this one lady also essentially seems to be one of those gameplay tropes where she is for collecting these lenses and then getting it to her. If like a llot of these side quests I happen to complete them in the wild...then maybe. Wrapped up with the salvage contract which...well really curious to see what this armor is that they are going to be handing out basically. Got to test out some more of my arrow talents. On the whole airborne volley thing having trouble hitting it 'live' so I do wonder if the Hunter Bow three power arrow strike will be more my speed. And also wondering when I will be able to max out what I want for the Hunter and Infiltrator trees. Oh and used a new weapon which was like a disc throwing gauntlet of which I forgot the name of. Not sure how powerful it is or what utility it has, yet, but it did 'grind' into the Shellwalker for extra damage. But part of the issue is that the resources for it also is used to build some of the arrows for the Sharpshot bow...and everyone knows what a bow fan I am. The Salvage contracts can be fun or tedious in my experience and I didn't feel the armour was worth the effort TBH. I am surprised you are under levelled for anything, if you follow the main story and go out of your way to do all the side quests in those areas you should be way ahead of the quest level caps. Plus go out of your way to kill all the machines you can, good for supplies and XP. The Shredder Gauntlets are great for distance and if you can master catching the returning discs great for not wasting ammo plus I think the damage gets greater every consecutive catch. Throw one start moving sideways and if it hits a machine/enemy the disc will automatically return to you. Rinse and repeat. They are also just great fun, killer Frisby's. I used few of the Valor Surges, the main one was the Ranged Master that gives you extra damage, hitting weak points I was taking down Thunderjaws and Tremor Tusks with one shot with the Sharpshot bow and precision arrows. The other one I used was the Invisibility one plus probably a few others a few times. Well I'm decidedly NOT doing all of that. I suppose as the needs arise I will and also gotta start looking into more Machine Strike now as well and see what kind of benefits that can get me. (he says for every game ever)
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The Salvage contracts can be fun or tedious in my experience and I didn't feel the armour was worth the effort TBH. I am surprised you are under levelled for anything, if you follow the main story and go out of your way to do all the side quests in those areas you should be way ahead of the quest level caps. Plus go out of your way to kill all the machines you can, good for supplies and XP. The Shredder Gauntlets are great for distance and if you can master catching the returning discs great for not wasting ammo plus I think the damage gets greater every consecutive catch. Throw one start moving sideways and if it hits a machine/enemy the disc will automatically return to you. Rinse and repeat. They are also just great fun, killer Frisby's. I used few of the Valor Surges, the main one was the Ranged Master that gives you extra damage, hitting weak points I was taking down Thunderjaws and Tremor Tusks with one shot with the Sharpshot bow and precision arrows. The other one I used was the Invisibility one plus probably a few others a few times. Well I'm decidedly NOT doing all of that. I suppose as the needs arise I will and also gotta start looking into more Machine Strike now as well and see what kind of benefits that can get me. (he says for every game ever) The side quests are well worth it in this game and relevant to the areas you are in doing the main quests and any settlement you are in. I personally like hunting the machines, it's good practice and XP if nothing else. My first PT took 150 hours or there abouts.
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Post by melbella on Jun 3, 2024 2:20:57 GMT
Well I'm decidedly NOT doing all of that. I suppose as the needs arise I will and also gotta start looking into more Machine Strike now as well and see what kind of benefits that can get me. (he says for every game ever) If you are looking for skill points, you will need to as doing quests provides the majority of them, not leveling up. I only did enough Machine Strike for the achievement. Very hard to win if you have crap pieces, much like Gwent in Witcher 3. I did everything else except the final 2 races since the controls were not my friend there.
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Well I'm decidedly NOT doing all of that. I suppose as the needs arise I will and also gotta start looking into more Machine Strike now as well and see what kind of benefits that can get me. (he says for every game ever) The side quests are well worth it in this game and relevant to the areas you are in doing the main quests and any settlement you are in. I personally like hunting the machines, it's good practice and XP if nothing else. My first PT took 150 hours or there abouts. Yeah min etook well ove r100 it's definitely bigger than Zero Dawn. I think i treally depends on where he is in the game I think as earl yon I found myself a tad underlevelled in one or 2 spots but as I progressed through the game it became lessof an issue as I unlocked and found more side quests to help level me up. I do agree though that you do need to pick and choose what you do more in this game sa yo uwill suffer burnout if you take on too much. It's one of the main reasons why I felt the need to step away aftre finishin gm yfirst playthrough rather than starting a 2nd like I would normall yhave been tempted too. I did enjoy the game so don't ge tme wrong I liked it. It's moer tha tin m ycase I probabl ytook to omuc h on. Fo rexample this time around I'll likely skip th erelic ruins bu tmaybe focus moer on stuf like the Huntin g grounds and Arena and maybe the Machine Strike challenges as I didn' ttouch those much in my firs trun. I'v ealways enjoyed the hunting machines part of Horizon even if some of the machines can be tricky. I'll also likel yhave a proper go at taking out all the rebel camps too. As again there was a few I left alone. But that's moe rfor m y2nd playthrough when I eventually get to it.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jun 3, 2024 18:04:15 GMT
See, that's the kind of armour I"ve been searching all over hell's half acre for.....Where do you get sets like that? This one Energizer Bunny 211 or one of the others? This one is found in a chest in a Rebel Camp: The Eastern Lie I think This, and the others too
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Post by dazk on Jun 4, 2024 1:12:52 GMT
This one Energizer Bunny 211 or one of the others? This one is found in a chest in a Rebel Camp: The Eastern Lie I think This, and the others too Can I leave you to google the locations or how you get the other armours?
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Can I leave you to google the locations or how you get the other armours? Yeah end of th eda yI eithe rgoogled or looked up cfheats if I got stuck on anything. Because I knew for a fac tPS have hadaccess t othe game fo r2 years already before us PC players got a sniff of it.
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It can be interesting when a really annoying gameplay trope dissapears only to then reappear much later on. Though this game was fairly at the beginning of the current gen, ish, so a bit more of a transition between the two, so there is that. But question marks. Everywhere. Yeah can be a bit annoying I have discovered after not having to deal with them. I like having things to do. Speaking of which though this game, unless I missed it, I do miss the buying maps or gathering world intel in the latest Ubisoft games. Since I like having things to do it would be nice to go out amongst people and say 'tell me about this rebel camp' of course that gameplay trope also has its issues but those are more in the vein og being funny . But the main thing I wanted to mention is how Aloy will mention what she is doign in some quests all the time, like I can't figure it out by myself. "I should get back to killing these random guards" loses its appeal after ten times. Bad gameplay trope, if I am still in the area, I still know it. So yeah finished off the Shadow Carja's presence in the West and hunted down a long leg for the contract...not actually sure what armor he gave me? Ugh. Some of the combat though was pretty cinematic. At one time I shot a horn off a charging charger then ducked out of the way just as it passed...and well then shot another charger horn as it was charging by full tilt. Also during the above Carja camp was happy at how stealthy I was being. And then Ia lso found it cute how the game was like 'try out different weapons because you never know what might match your playstyle'. And sure I get it. This playthrough was a lot of firsts or near firsts so tried out the spike thrower, it stinks so far and am trying to learn things...but this game does seem in some ways to be so bow oriented and I am so bow oriented myself. The Sharpshot bow/ focus shot ability is just becoming a treat for me as well. And on that note to been really upgrading a lot of my stuff. Got a new Hunter Bow with fire arrows, a new Sharpshot bow that is missing both the knockdown arrows and knocdown in general...and the Nora Sentinel armor which does seem to be better. On that note just trying to figure out how Overdraws work on my bows. My previous bow did have that ability and now my new one does not, at least at a base ability, so it didn't do that thing where the x appears and it locks in...so I put on a coil that added at least some damage...but still can't get it to trigger. Hmm. Bow says it can do it with more upgrades. So firsts...did my first Tallneck, my first recon drone thing, my first Rebel Outpost, my first Hunting Ground, and my first actual game of Machine Strike in the wild. I think my base plan from here is if it don't give me XP might not be worth it. Not sure how much I will do hunting grounds, may do melee pits just to practice melee techniques but that will require me to dump points into the melee tree. Meanwhile the Machine Strike...it does have promise...but I lost...and not sure how. Because I know overvharge makes your piece lose health but the way I read it I swore I had four health points next to him. I actually did kill off his piece but then it killed mine which gave him the victory, apparently, 7-6. Also just a lot of rules to keep track of... Decided after doing the recon drone and it told me that I didn't have the compatable tool to get...and other blockages...and so far I have gotten these tools through plot progression, so we will see...plus really eager to get Gaia back online...so onto. The Dying LandsSo once again Aloy gets really self righteous and judgemental about another places culture. Like its tough to hit that balance because religious radicalism/ beurocracy are both things that can get in mind and the popular impulse is 'lets just have a person burst through it to do what's right', so I am a bit torn on the impulse. But its still not the best way to win hearts and minds and well its also something I fear from DA because it makes her come off as being really arrogant and its her most persistant character flaw which I am not sure the writers consider a flaw sort of thing.
For these reasons when machines just so happened to attack Plainsong right when she needed them to I rushed off with Zo and Varl to go to the cave since everyone was distracted.
Except I made the deliberate choice, the only RP choice I have basically made the entire game, to have her fight the machines. Because I think Zo was like 'well we can just rush right through to the core' and I am like, 'well, XP, salvage, and since Aloy was such a dick I am going to have her feel sorry about things and stand with the Utaru'. It was a really impressive set piece fighting through all these high powered machines...with allies.
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