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Post by AnDromedary on Dec 1, 2021 19:14:39 GMT
Ok, I know I said I wasn't gonna post but ... ah dam, I'm gonna post. Just been through the early chapters. Holden: I am going to the galley. Alex: When you make coffee, can you bring me one? Holden: I think I am gonna make some camomile tea instead. Me, reading this: Alex: Yea, when you change your mind, bring me a coffee, too please. - a few pages later, in the galley - Holden: *falls back into old habits and presses coffee dispenser button without thinking, then realizes his "mistake", resigns to drinking coffee and makes a second one for Alex* Me: Conclusion: Fantastic so far!
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Post by dazk on Dec 2, 2021 0:04:52 GMT
Ok, I know I said I wasn't gonna post but ... ah dam, I'm gonna post. Just been through the early chapters. Holden: I am going to the galley. Alex: When you make coffee, can you bring me one? Holden: I think I am gonna make some camomile tea instead. Me, reading this: Alex: Yea, when you change your mind, bring me a coffee, too please. - a few pages later, in the galley - Holden: *falls back into old habits and presses coffee dispenser button without thinking, then realizes his "mistake", resigns to drinking coffee and makes a second one for Alex* Me: Conclusion: Fantastic so far! Damn you and your spoilers.
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Post by dazk on Dec 2, 2021 23:55:17 GMT
Finished book 8, glad I read it again there were certainly parts I had forgotten. Finished the first chapter of book 9, trying to decide whether to for go gaming today to read or not as I wont get a chance tonight - "first world problems"????
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Post by q5tyhj on Dec 3, 2021 0:36:26 GMT
Finished book 8, glad I read it again there were certainly parts I had forgotten. Finished the first chapter of book 9, trying to decide whether to for go gaming today to read or not as I wont get a chance tonight - "first world problems"???? there were a bunch of things I was going to do today, but instead I've spent most of the day reading book 9
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Post by AnDromedary on Dec 3, 2021 2:44:26 GMT
I am about half way through now. Just keeps getting better. The ending will be the real crux of it though. But so far so good.
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Post by TopTrog on Dec 3, 2021 21:33:09 GMT
I just finished reading Leviathan Falls today and for me it is a thoroughly satisfying conclusion to what has been an outstanding series. They nicely pulled off both tying up the grand storyline and the individual character arcs. No mean feat this, staying true to both the main themes and the characters motivations and personalities. It is a bit sad to see this epic story reach its end now but what a ride it has been .
I am now looking very much forward to see the last installment of the series on the screen later this month - but I can´t shake the thought on how cool it would be if at some point they would also adapt the last three books.
Tl, dr: The Expanse ftw
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Post by AnDromedary on Dec 4, 2021 10:23:49 GMT
I just finished reading Leviathan Falls today and for me it is a thoroughly satisfying conclusion to what has been an outstanding series. They nicely pulled off both tying up the grand storyline and the individual character arcs. No mean feat this, staying true to both the main themes and the characters motivations and personalities. It is a bit sad to see this epic story reach its end now but what a ride it has been .
I am now looking very much forward to see the last installment of the series on the screen later this month - but I can´t shake the thought on how cool it would be if at some point they would also adapt the last three books.
Tl, dr: The Expanse ftw Just finished the book myself and all I can say is: Wow! What an ending.
Honestly, I can't think of any better way it could have been done. It's wonderful to finally get a long lasting SciFi series that is just really really good, start to finish. Seriously, huge kudos and congrats to Daniel and Ty, that was a hell of a thing they pulled off there.
And yea, since we know the series is ending now, i am really hoping they are planning a movie trilogy or something similar for books 7-9. I mean, just seeing one particular character at the end would be such a fantastic moment.
Totally agree, Expanse FTW!
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Post by hoku on Dec 4, 2021 12:46:09 GMT
Both of you's book feedbacks and conclusions satisfaction makes me really happy and takes away anxiety of a botched/jumped the shark ending or moment. Fingers crossed the TV show can pull off a similar landing, albeit at with a different chapter.
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Post by dazk on Dec 5, 2021 0:12:56 GMT
I am about 75% through and have been really impressed so far, have a good idea where it is going but still not 100% which is great.
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Post by dazk on Dec 5, 2021 11:09:35 GMT
Just finished the book, my mind is kind of in a strange place. Totally enjoyed it, will have to re read it and had a good idea where the ending was going but just not sure if I think the ending was good or if I am just not happy with how it ended or it just needs time to sink in. Was hoping to read the short story Memory's legion which I am assuming is set after the ending but apparently it isn't out till March 2022. Too many thoughts to process at the moment I need a beer or two and maybe a glass of wine.
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Post by AnDromedary on Dec 5, 2021 16:20:07 GMT
Just finished the book, my mind is kind of in a strange place. Totally enjoyed it, will have to re read it and had a good idea where the ending was going but just not sure if I think the ending was good or if I am just not happy with how it ended or it just needs time to sink in. Was hoping to read the short story Memory's legion which I am assuming is set after the ending but apparently it isn't out till March 2022. Too many thoughts to process at the moment I need a beer or two and maybe a glass of wine. It certainly rolls full steam ahead, right up to the last page. Of course it's sad that they have to sacrifice everything from the gate system to Holden. But I thought it made perfect sense, considering the stakes. They get special credit for how they handled the "enemy". It was the perfect blend of "out there" and science-concepts woven into each other. This is super difficult to do properly. Too much one direction and it feels too much like science fantasy, too much the other and it's too easy to see where it clearly just collides with actual science facts. They got the balance just right IMO and that's a huge win. Mind-Miller coming back was an absolute joy IMO, I really want to see Thomas Jane showing up again for a final scene if they get to adapt this at some point. And Holden gets to do the most Holden thing possible at the end. Perfect. In terms of tone, by the time the main books ends it was already beautifully bitter-sweet. Then we get the epilogue with the linguist and it puts a slight happy ending nuance on the whole thing in the end. Plus, Amos just being Amos 1000 years later let me close the book with a huge grin on my face, which is always a good sign. So yea, lot's of stuff to process but the more I think about it, the more perfect it is to me.
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Post by q5tyhj on Dec 5, 2021 19:23:09 GMT
Just finished the book, my mind is kind of in a strange place. Totally enjoyed it, will have to re read it and had a good idea where the ending was going but just not sure if I think the ending was good or if I am just not happy with how it ended or it just needs time to sink in. Was hoping to read the short story Memory's legion which I am assuming is set after the ending but apparently it isn't out till March 2022. Too many thoughts to process at the moment I need a beer or two and maybe a glass of wine. Just finished the book, my mind is kind of in a strange place. Totally enjoyed it, will have to re read it and had a good idea where the ending was going but just not sure if I think the ending was good or if I am just not happy with how it ended or it just needs time to sink in. Was hoping to read the short story Memory's legion which I am assuming is set after the ending but apparently it isn't out till March 2022. Too many thoughts to process at the moment I need a beer or two and maybe a glass of wine. It certainly rolls full steam ahead, right up to the last page. Of course it's sad that they have to sacrifice everything from the gate system to Holden. But I thought it made perfect sense, considering the stakes. They get special credit for how they handled the "enemy". It was the perfect blend of "out there" and science-concepts woven into each other. This is super difficult to do properly. Too much one direction and it feels too much like science fantasy, too much the other and it's too easy to see where it clearly just collides with actual science facts. They got the balance just right IMO and that's a huge win. Mind-Miller coming back was an absolute joy IMO, I really want to see Thomas Jane showing up again for a final scene if they get to adapt this at some point. And Holden gets to do the most Holden thing possible at the end. Perfect. In terms of tone, by the time the main books ends it was already beautifully bitter-sweet. Then we get the epilogue with the linguist and it puts a slight happy ending nuance on the whole thing in the end. Plus, Amos just being Amos 1000 years later let me close the book with a huge grin on my face, which is always a good sign. So yea, lot's of stuff to process but the more I think about it, the more perfect it is to me. I really enjoyed book 9, and thought it was a fitting conclusion to a series that I really really enjoyed. Was generally OK with the way it ended, and there were some things I really liked- I loved that Ghost Miller was back, and that the series ended with Holden and Ghost Miller poking around on the ring station- brought me back to the beginning of the series, felt very appropriate.
Holden being the big martyr hero was perfect for his character- how could it have been any other way?
And of course, Zombie Amos, still standing 1000 years later, was a great way to close the series. Otoh, and this is fairly minor criticism, but I was a little bit disappointed in how little information we were ultimately given about the Unknown Aggressors/ring entities. We got a bunch of info on the Ring Builders during the Dreamer Interludes, which was fantastic, but we got very little additional info about the enemy and since they're the Big Bad and this is the final book, I felt like they were absent for too much of the story which made the climax less... climactic than it could have been.
I didn't dislike the subplot with Tanaka searching for Teresa and Duarte, but I felt like that took up more time than it probably should have and they could/should have maybe spent some of that time on the Unknown Aggressors and their weird Void Bullets and building up that final conflict a bit more, with a bit more background info. But still, ultimately fairly minor, and I was very happy with it on the whole. Mostly just sad that its over- but what a ride!
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Post by AnDromedary on Dec 6, 2021 0:51:15 GMT
I really enjoyed book 9, and thought it was a fitting conclusion to a series that I really really enjoyed. Was generally OK with the way it ended, and there were some things I really liked- I loved that Ghost Miller was back, and that the series ended with Holden and Ghost Miller poking around on the ring station- brought me back to the beginning of the series, felt very appropriate.
Holden being the big martyr hero was perfect for his character- how could it have been any other way?
And of course, Zombie Amos, still standing 1000 years later, was a great way to close the series. Otoh, and this is fairly minor criticism, but I was a little bit disappointed in how little information we were ultimately given about the Unknown Aggressors/ring entities. We got a bunch of info on the Ring Builders during the Dreamer Interludes, which was fantastic, but we got very little additional info about the enemy and since they're the Big Bad and this is the final book, I felt like they were absent for too much of the story which made the climax less... climactic than it could have been.
I didn't dislike the subplot with Tanaka searching for Teresa and Duarte, but I felt like that took up more time than it probably should have and they could/should have maybe spent some of that time on the Unknown Aggressors and their weird Void Bullets and building up that final conflict a bit more, with a bit more background info. But still, ultimately fairly minor, and I was very happy with it on the whole. Mostly just sad that its over- but what a ride! I get that criticism. There was very little information about "the enemy" given in the end.
On the other hand though, we are talking about beings from another reality with different laws of physics to ours. How much info could they have divulged without it either degenerating into some really incomprehensible technobabble, some digression into space magic or science fantasy or both?
I did like how they brought some concepts of real world cosmology into it but didn't drag it out into bogus territory too far.
One only has to look at Mass Effect to see what too much info-dump at the end can look like. So ultimately, I am ok with it.
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Post by q5tyhj on Dec 6, 2021 1:17:18 GMT
I really enjoyed book 9, and thought it was a fitting conclusion to a series that I really really enjoyed. Was generally OK with the way it ended, and there were some things I really liked- I loved that Ghost Miller was back, and that the series ended with Holden and Ghost Miller poking around on the ring station- brought me back to the beginning of the series, felt very appropriate.
Holden being the big martyr hero was perfect for his character- how could it have been any other way?
And of course, Zombie Amos, still standing 1000 years later, was a great way to close the series. Otoh, and this is fairly minor criticism, but I was a little bit disappointed in how little information we were ultimately given about the Unknown Aggressors/ring entities. We got a bunch of info on the Ring Builders during the Dreamer Interludes, which was fantastic, but we got very little additional info about the enemy and since they're the Big Bad and this is the final book, I felt like they were absent for too much of the story which made the climax less... climactic than it could have been.
I didn't dislike the subplot with Tanaka searching for Teresa and Duarte, but I felt like that took up more time than it probably should have and they could/should have maybe spent some of that time on the Unknown Aggressors and their weird Void Bullets and building up that final conflict a bit more, with a bit more background info. But still, ultimately fairly minor, and I was very happy with it on the whole. Mostly just sad that its over- but what a ride! I get that criticism. There was very little information about "the enemy" given in the end.
On the other hand though, we are talking about beings from another reality with different laws of physics to ours. How much info could they have divulged without it either degenerating into some really incomprehensible technobabble, some digression into space magic or science fantasy or both?
I did like how they brought some concepts of real world cosmology into it but didn't drag it out into bogus territory too far.
One only has to look at Mass Effect to see what too much info-dump at the end can look like. So ultimately, I am ok with it. Yeah I didn't expect (or want) them to explain the nature of the "dark gods"/Unknown Aggressors themselves; they were meant to be mysterious and incomprehensible, so no surprise there. But I was hoping we'd get more information regarding the nature of the conflict between the Ring Builders and the Unknown Aggressors- how did the ring gates and slow zone hurt or anger the "dark gods", exactly? How does the slow zone relate to the physical universe and the "older" universe where the "dark gods" live- how is it that they can invade the ring space, make ships travelling through the rings go "dutchman", tinker with the laws of physics, cause lapses in consciousness? What was the nature of their "Void Bullets"? What was the nature of "the sword" the ring builders had developed to combat them?
We did get some information about these things, but it was really thin and vague and I would have liked a bit more, especially as it related to the backstory involving the creation of the ring network and the extinction of the ring Builders. I expected we'd be getting more of this within the context of Elvi studying the giant diamond library or whatever it was, I was sort of surprised that they didn't go farther with that subplot and that it didn't end up playing as big a role as I was sort of expecting.
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Post by dazk on Dec 6, 2021 1:26:33 GMT
Just finished the book, my mind is kind of in a strange place. Totally enjoyed it, will have to re read it and had a good idea where the ending was going but just not sure if I think the ending was good or if I am just not happy with how it ended or it just needs time to sink in. Was hoping to read the short story Memory's legion which I am assuming is set after the ending but apparently it isn't out till March 2022. Too many thoughts to process at the moment I need a beer or two and maybe a glass of wine. It certainly rolls full steam ahead, right up to the last page. Of course it's sad that they have to sacrifice everything from the gate system to Holden. But I thought it made perfect sense, considering the stakes. They get special credit for how they handled the "enemy". It was the perfect blend of "out there" and science-concepts woven into each other. This is super difficult to do properly. Too much one direction and it feels too much like science fantasy, too much the other and it's too easy to see where it clearly just collides with actual science facts. They got the balance just right IMO and that's a huge win. Mind-Miller coming back was an absolute joy IMO, I really want to see Thomas Jane showing up again for a final scene if they get to adapt this at some point. And Holden gets to do the most Holden thing possible at the end. Perfect. In terms of tone, by the time the main books ends it was already beautifully bitter-sweet. Then we get the epilogue with the linguist and it puts a slight happy ending nuance on the whole thing in the end. Plus, Amos just being Amos 1000 years later let me close the book with a huge grin on my face, which is always a good sign. So yea, lot's of stuff to process but the more I think about it, the more perfect it is to me. Totally agree with everything you said, saved me a long post. I kept getting up and walking around over the last few chapters I so didn't want it to end. My only additional points are: Why was Amos acting as a representative to these enhanced space going peoples, that felt a bit jarring even though it was great that it was Amos.
1,000 years, was that just to wipe out every other character except for potentially Cara and Xan. I really would have liked to see more of Naomi, Elvi, Teresa and Amos adjusting to there new life and some insight into what Earth was up to and like after the 1,000 years.
An insight into Laconia post collapse of the gates too would have been nice, as would have a bit about Alex and Kit, Rohit (SP?) and Bhakri in particular given he was so young when all the shit was happening with Duarte and the communal mind stuff. Now on to watching Series 5 again before series 6.
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Post by AnDromedary on Dec 6, 2021 3:23:47 GMT
It certainly rolls full steam ahead, right up to the last page. Of course it's sad that they have to sacrifice everything from the gate system to Holden. But I thought it made perfect sense, considering the stakes. They get special credit for how they handled the "enemy". It was the perfect blend of "out there" and science-concepts woven into each other. This is super difficult to do properly. Too much one direction and it feels too much like science fantasy, too much the other and it's too easy to see where it clearly just collides with actual science facts. They got the balance just right IMO and that's a huge win. Mind-Miller coming back was an absolute joy IMO, I really want to see Thomas Jane showing up again for a final scene if they get to adapt this at some point. And Holden gets to do the most Holden thing possible at the end. Perfect. In terms of tone, by the time the main books ends it was already beautifully bitter-sweet. Then we get the epilogue with the linguist and it puts a slight happy ending nuance on the whole thing in the end. Plus, Amos just being Amos 1000 years later let me close the book with a huge grin on my face, which is always a good sign. So yea, lot's of stuff to process but the more I think about it, the more perfect it is to me. Totally agree with everything you said, saved me a long post. I kept getting up and walking around over the last few chapters I so didn't want it to end. My only additional points are: Why was Amos acting as a representative to these enhanced space going peoples, that felt a bit jarring even though it was great that it was Amos.
1,000 years, was that just to wipe out every other character except for potentially Cara and Xan. I really would have liked to see more of Naomi, Elvi, Teresa and Amos adjusting to there new life and some insight into what Earth was up to and like after the 1,000 years.
An insight into Laconia post collapse of the gates too would have been nice, as would have a bit about Alex and Kit, Rohit (SP?) and Bhakri in particular given he was so young when all the shit was happening with Duarte and the communal mind stuff. Now on to watching Series 5 again before series 6. My interpretation of that last scene and why Amos was there - apart from the fan service of course - was that the people of Sol kinda used him like a bouncer. Someone from on of the other systems finally figured out how to do interstellar travel again and shows up on their doorstep but the people of Sol don't know what their intentions are. Sending out the 1000 year old unkillable legendary badass first doesn't sound like the worst idea. As for the other characters and the rest of their lives post collapse, well, I am ok with it being left to our imagination. I always find it somewhat comforting when we don't get a definitive end to some of the protagonists and a lot of possibilities remain open for them. But that's just me. I get that one might have wanted a bit more.
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Post by AnDromedary on Dec 8, 2021 20:49:42 GMT
I'm binging through the TV show right now, probably not going to quite make it before Friday. (I am at the beginning of season 4 now). But man, re-watching it after having finished the book series ... So many hints!!! Especially in season 3. When he describes his impressions from interfacing with the ring-space station, Holden basically already describes the hive mind of the gate builders. He says something like "I was seeing a whole civilization all at once" and "they burned out entire systems, like cauterizing a wound after cutting off a limb", which it turns out is exactly what the gate building civ was like. Also, whenever the Roci transitions through a gate in s3/4, Holden gets a very quick glimpse of "the enemy" from the other reality. Man, I really hope they can get books 7-9 on the screen somehow down the line.
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Post by dazk on Dec 8, 2021 23:51:17 GMT
AnDromedary yeah it will haunt me for the rest of my days if I don't get to see the last three books on TV or as Movies. Not sure how long ago Firefly was canned but that still annoys the hell out of every time I think about it. I have only one episode of series 5 to go which I will watch tonight with my son as that's all he wanted to watch before series 6. I am still wondering how they are going to close out the series and if the only hint of the next three books will be the one we have seen already or whether they will elaborate more on Laconia.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 9, 2021 18:55:20 GMT
Honestly, I thought Book 5 had a satisfactory conclusion, and if the series ends with that, I'd be okay with it.
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Post by AnDromedary on Dec 9, 2021 19:47:43 GMT
Honestly, I thought Book 5 had a satisfactory conclusion, and if the series ends with that, I'd be okay with it. You mean 6, right? But yea, it had a pretty decent conclusion, at least to the whole politics arc. So I also think it should be a good ending point for the series.
Still, I definitely do want them to make books 7-9 into movies or something. So much potential there (and they already got a lot of the sets, actors and everything). Given that they are going to start developing the Laconia arc, I am fairly optimistic that something is in the works (or at least in their minds). Once season 6 is over, I hope we'll hear more.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 9, 2021 21:05:27 GMT
Honestly, I thought Book 5 had a satisfactory conclusion, and if the series ends with that, I'd be okay with it. You mean 6, right? But yea, it had a pretty decent conclusion, at least to the whole politics arc. So I also think it should be a good ending point for the series.
Still, I definitely do want them to make books 7-9 into movies or something. So much potential there (and they already got a lot of the sets, actors and everything). Given that they are going to start developing the Laconia arc, I am fairly optimistic that something is in the works (or at least in their minds). Once season 6 is over, I hope we'll hear more.
Right, sixth book. End of the Free Navy arc.. Honestly, didn't care for the Laconia stuff as much. I mean, it's not BAD. Just not as good as what came before.
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Post by dazk on Dec 10, 2021 0:22:55 GMT
You mean 6, right? But yea, it had a pretty decent conclusion, at least to the whole politics arc. So I also think it should be a good ending point for the series.
Still, I definitely do want them to make books 7-9 into movies or something. So much potential there (and they already got a lot of the sets, actors and everything). Given that they are going to start developing the Laconia arc, I am fairly optimistic that something is in the works (or at least in their minds). Once season 6 is over, I hope we'll hear more.
Right, sixth book. End of the Free Navy arc.. Honestly, didn't care for the Laconia stuff as much. I mean, it's not BAD. Just not as good as what came before. Have you read book 9 yet that closes the whole series off? It's a pretty good book and conclusion to the series.
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Post by AnDromedary on Dec 10, 2021 3:02:53 GMT
Telltale is making an Expanse game. Looks like Camina Drummer might be the protagonist:
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Post by dazk on Dec 10, 2021 3:53:29 GMT
Telltale is making an Expanse game. Looks like Camina Drummer might be the protagonist: Cool Camina is one of my favourite characters. Has Series 6 released on Prime yet, it's the 10th here but not sure what time it releases?
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Dec 10, 2021 6:25:31 GMT
The novel ending reminds me of The Odyssey series by Arthur C Clarke (whose last Odyssey novel was 3001 The Final Odyssey in 1997) due to similarities with the state of the main protags and unresolved question of the adversary.
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