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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 24, 2024 8:44:55 GMT
On the surface it doesn't make much sense...maybe they imprinted on one another and when Davrin left for his mission baby griffon wasn't going to be left behind. That is clearly what happened. The introductory piece for Davrin shows Assan aiding him in battle with darkspawn. Clearly Assan isn't mature enough yet that he can actually ride them. In Last Flight the griffons form a close bond with their respective Grey Warden and go through a grieving process if the Warden is killed. Once Assan had imprinted on Davrin there would be no way of separating them short of death.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 24, 2024 10:03:44 GMT
On the surface it doesn't make much sense...maybe they imprinted on one another and when Davrin left for his mission baby griffon wasn't going to be left behind. That is clearly what happened. The introductory piece for Davrin shows Assan aiding him in battle with darkspawn. Clearly Assan isn't mature enough yet that he can actually ride them. In Last Flight the griffons form a close bond with their respective Grey Warden and go through a grieving process if the Warden is killed. Once Assan had imprinted on Davrin there would be no way of separating them short of death. Makes sense. Does the book explore how the darkspawn taint in the Wardens affects griffons?
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 24, 2024 10:40:44 GMT
Does the book explore how the darkspawn taint in the Wardens affects griffons? I really need to re-read it to remind myself of the details but it always puzzled me that the griffons seem bonded with the Wardens despite their taint. They can certainly bond with someone not tainted as that was the case with Smoke and Amadis. However, griffons really hate the darkspawn and it said that they have to train the griffons not to bite the darkspawn when in a battle so they don't become infected. When the griffons were put through the Joining in the past it sent them into a frenzy of self mutilation. This is why Isseya devised the blood magic ritual to accompany the Joining that would control the mind of the griffon and convince the griffon it was merely a cold they were suffering from. However, whilst it stopped the self mutilation it increased the aggression against darkspawn to almost suicidal intensity for both the griffon and their rider. This was a pretty bad side effect without the subsequent plague of the griffons that wiped them out as a race. Yet, they still didn't turn on their Warden rider so the bond must be strong enough to overcome any sense of the taint within them. Even when Isseya was pretty far gone with the corruption, so her hair was falling out and she looked terrible, her own griffon Revas was still loyal to her, although she had never been put through the Joining, so perhaps if she had that might have made a difference. It is curious, though, that the griffons had a natural enmity for the darkspawn, which I assume was part of the reason the Grey Wardens used them in the first place. Was there something about being an unnatural hybrid creature that allowed them to sense something unnatural in the darkspawn and caused them to attack? Or were the griffons specifically created to be a weapon against tainted creatures? That would certainly explain why they had such aggression for them and why they self-mutilated if infected with the taint via the Joining. If infected during battle they just seemed to sicken and die.
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Post by theascendent on Jun 24, 2024 11:05:46 GMT
Perhaps this new generation of Griffons has developed an immunity or resistance to the Taint/Blight. I recall Isseya doing a blood magic ritual that moved the Blight from the eggs and into herself to cleanse them. Perhaps as a consequence of their exposure to the infection whilst in their eggs, the blood magic ritual created some sort of antibody or a mutation to repel or diminish chances of being corrupted. Dragons are apparently the only creatures that have developed a means of counteracting the Blight, but Dragons don't seem to be purely natural creatures, much like Griffons so perhaps Isseya managed to do something similar when she 'cured' them. And as a result of being the only remaining Griffons left, subsequent breeding will result in future generations inheriting this feature and securing the continuation of the species.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 24, 2024 12:13:02 GMT
On the surface it doesn't make much sense...maybe they imprinted on one another and when Davrin left for his mission baby griffon wasn't going to be left behind. That is clearly what happened. The introductory piece for Davrin shows Assan aiding him in battle with darkspawn. Clearly Assan isn't mature enough yet that he can actually ride them. In Last Flight the griffons form a close bond with their respective Grey Warden and go through a grieving process if the Warden is killed. Once Assan had imprinted on Davrin there would be no way of separating them short of death. No wI'm gettin gvisions o fRiordan riding the Archdemon in DAO
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Perhaps this new generation of Griffons has developed an immunity or resistance to the Taint/Blight. I recall Isseya doing a blood magic ritual that moved the Blight from the eggs and into herself to cleanse them. Perhaps as a consequence of their exposure to the infection whilst in their eggs, the blood magic ritual created some sort of antibody or a mutation to repel or diminish chances of being corrupted. Dragons are apparently the only creatures that have developed a means of counteracting the Blight, but Dragons don't seem to be purely natural creatures, much like Griffons so perhaps Isseya managed to do something similar when she 'cured' them. And as a result of being the only remaining Griffons left, subsequent breeding will result in future generations inheriting this feature and securing the continuation of the species. Well I gues sanythings possibl eif the ycan bring the Rachni bac kfrom the dead in Mass Effec tthen can com eup with a reason why the Griffon's are back.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 24, 2024 13:06:30 GMT
Dragons are apparently the only creatures that have developed a means of counteracting the Blight, but Dragons don't seem to be purely natural creatures, much like Griffons so perhaps Isseya managed to do something similar when she 'cured' them. And as a result of being the only remaining Griffons left, subsequent breeding will result in future generations inheriting this feature and securing the continuation of the species. That would certainly be a plausible explanation and would certainly make me feel a lot better about taking Davrin and Assan into the thick of battle with tainted creatures. I suppose a benefit of such an immunity might be that the mental connection the griffon has with their Warden would help protect them from the Arch-demon song and the Calling. Further thought. If the two elven gods are connected with the Old Gods in the Deep Roads, now their counterpart has been released from the Fade, will the Old Gods stop singing? Is this what will cause the darkspawn to rise to the surface in a double Blight even if the elven gods aren't actually summoning them?
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Post by TheEmptyRoad on Jun 24, 2024 14:36:37 GMT
Further thought. If the two elven gods are connected with the Old Gods in the Deep Roads, now their counterpart has been released from the Fade, will the Old Gods stop singing? Is this what will cause the darkspawn to rise to the surface in a double Blight even if the elven gods aren't actually summoning them? If the Elven Gods are the ones that are the actual source of the Calling...any conversation with them as a Warden!MC or Davrin with you would be nuts.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 24, 2024 17:15:00 GMT
If the Elven Gods are the ones that are the actual source of the Calling...any conversation with them as a Warden!MC or Davrin with you would be nuts. Well I was thinking that Davrin might mention how he has stopped hearing the Arch-demon in his head or in his dreams and if Rook is a Warden might ask if they have noticed it too? Sort of the opposite to DAI where the Warden rep in Crestwood asks Blackwall if the false Calling is bothering him and he gives an answer to the effect that he doesn't let him bother him, when of course he isn't hearing it at all because he is a false Warden. This time round, if my theory turns out to be correct then all the true Wardens are going to be worried because they can't hear it.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 24, 2024 17:43:30 GMT
If the Elven Gods are the ones that are the actual source of the Calling...any conversation with them as a Warden!MC or Davrin with you would be nuts. Well I was thinking that Davrin might mention how he has stopped hearing the Arch-demon in his head or in his dreams and if Rook is a Warden might ask if they have noticed it too? Sort of the opposite to DAI where the Warden rep in Crestwood asks Blackwall if the false Calling is bothering him and he gives an answer to the effect that he doesn't let him bother him, when of course he isn't hearing it at all because he is a false Warden. This time round, if my theory turns out to be correct then all the true Wardens are going to be worried because they can't hear it. Can we even be sure this will work the same as previous blights? I can only assume that the dragons the darkspawn locate to trigger the blight is their source of immortality (like Cory's dragon). I think Solas mentions something to that effect. Since they are released from their prison and coming back in the flesh maybe there will be no "calling." Though since they are tainted and have (presumably) some control over blighted creatures that would potentially render the Grey Wardens incapable of acting against them...or it's a moot point because they're not needed to slay them because they're present in the flesh and not as archdemons.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 24, 2024 18:03:30 GMT
Since they are released from their prison and coming back in the flesh maybe there will be no "calling." That's what I was getting at. The perhaps the slumbering Old God only calls the darkspawn because their other half was imprisoned and perhaps even speaking through them in some way, so once the god is freed from the Fade, the dragon stops emitting. Now it has always been a matter of debate whether killing the last two Old Gods would mean the darkspawn would stay permanently underground or without the song of the Old God keeping them there they would simply rise to the surface in a never ending Blight. Solas had a discussion with Blackwall about this. Solas asked what happened when the last Arch-demon was dead. Blackwall seemed to think that would be an end of the Blights and Solas remarked he hoped he was correct. Meaning of course that he probably knew that he wasn't, particularly as he was frantic at the idea that the Wardens were going to head into the Deep Roads to try and find and kill the last two Arch-demons. He definitely knew something about their identity, so hopefully we will now discover more.
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Post by MeadKnight on Jun 25, 2024 4:54:14 GMT
Seeing Assan gives me hope that my Warden has finally gotten her griffin.
Fly high, Warden o7.
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Now all I can see in my head is Manfred stumbling around behind with a pooper scooper. Solas: You don't have to do that if you don't want to, Manfred. You're a free skeleton. Meanwhile, a precedent has clearly been established. Lucanis: I've a pet crow. You don't mind me bringing that in, do you? (Glint in his eyes). Of course, not. Harding: Only if my raven can come too. Bellara: I found this halla in the forest. Neve: In that case, I assume there is room for my snake. Taash: I've these dragon eggs that need hatching. Solas: Rook! Do something. Rook: Sorry, not my problem. I'm too busy saving the world. Have a nice day.
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Solas: You don't have to do that if you don't want to, Manfred. You're a free skeleton. Meanwhile, a precedent has clearly been established. Lucanis: I've a pet crow. You don't mind me bringing that in, do you? (Glint in his eyes). Of course, not. Harding: Only if my raven can come too. Bellara: I found this halla in the forest. Neve: In that case, I assume there is room for my snake. Taash: I've these dragon eggs that need hatching. Solas: Rook! Do something. Rook: Sorry, not my problem. I'm too busy saving the world. Have a nice day. Yes, I want this...with a minor edit: Sorry, not my problem. I'm too busy saving the world from your idiocy Have a nice day. So, f*ck you.
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Sorry, not my problem. I'm too busy saving the world from your idiocy Have a nice day. So, f*ck you. I was using sarcasm. I could imagine my Rook leaving the Lighthouse with a grin on his face knowing there was nothing Solas could do about it. I'm probably going with purple Rook. I'm so going to enjoy mocking Solas (assuming I'm allowed to) rather than being outright hostile (even though I think he deserves it).
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Sorry, not my problem. I'm too busy saving the world from your idiocy Have a nice day. So, f*ck you. I was using sarcasm. I could imagine my Rook leaving the Lighthouse with a grin on his face knowing there was nothing Solas could do about it. I'm probably going with purple Rook. I'm so going to enjoy mocking Solas (assuming I'm allowed to) rather than being outright hostile (even though I think he deserves it). Yea hif the option is ther I could see myself playing a snark yRook. I always tryt oinjec ta little bit of humour int om ycharactres when I can.
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I'm excited about Davrin and love that he has a baby griffon. I am curious about the "charming" in his description. I'm hoping it's more a smooth and witty talker like Gambit from the X:Men, and not awkward quips like Alistair. It's also dope to see a black male character and as an elf in the Dragon Age universe.
I'm a little weary about him being a Warden. DAI made them quite unappealing, and I'm hoping they are made far more interesting in DAVG.
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I'm a little weary about him being a Warden. DAI made them quite unappealing, and I'm hoping they are made far more interesting in DAVG. It may have been deliberate making the bold and charming character a Warden and giving him a griffon, as they took to heart how upset everyone was with how they portrayed the Wardens in DAI. So, it's by way of an apology perhaps.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 27, 2024 14:05:02 GMT
I'm a little weary about him being a Warden. DAI made them quite unappealing, and I'm hoping they are made far more interesting in DAVG. It may have been deliberate making the bold and charming character a Warden and giving him a griffon, as they took to heart how upset everyone was with how they portrayed the Wardens in DAI. So, it's by way of an apology perhaps. I honestly don't see what they would be apologetic about, especially given that the Wardens were never supposed to be viewed as flawless (there were questions about Wardens since DAO). Also, given that we have no clue what Davrin's backstory or quest is yet, or his opinion on the Wardens*, I'd say that it's too early to tell he's in the story for any other reason than his character making sense to be there. *We also don't know what would be the Warden questline as a faction - we only know, from one of the teasers, that someone who sounds like a leader insists that Grey Wardens don't hide in their castle, and he won't ask good soldiers to turn tail and run - and that the castle (that is likely Weisshaupt) has its main entrance blocked by stone that is also glowing red...
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I'm excited about Davrin and love that he has a baby griffon. I am curious about the "charming" in his description. I'm hoping it's more a smooth and witty talker like Gambit from the X:Men, and not awkward quips like Alistair. It's also dope to see a black male character and as an elf in the Dragon Age universe. I'm a little weary about him being a Warden. DAI made them quite unappealing, and I'm hoping they are made far more interesting in DAVG. Yeah I'm looking forward to seeing if w ecan make m ywarden mage it's momma. Especially as I'm planning on my warden mage to romance Davrin. Much lik ewhen playing huma nnoble romancin gAlistair an dbecoming hi sQueen
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 27, 2024 18:12:22 GMT
I honestly don't see what they would be apologetic about, especially given that the Wardens were never supposed to be viewed as flawless (there were questions about Wardens since DAO). It wasn't that they should be viewed as flawless but that they acted like such idiots. Panicking when there was no need since they hadn't all dropped dead on the spot and there was no sign of an Arch-demon coming to the surface. Then they allowed some really dodgy mage from Tevinter come in and encourage them to sacrifice members of their own order, if they don't have enough wastage already in recruits through the Joining. Also, remember the words of the Joining. They are meant to be brothers and sisters in adversity. You don't sacrifice your own family, or at least you shouldn't. The sacrifice is what you make in enlisting in the Wardens in the first place and taking the Joining, not a blood magic ritual to summon demons. Incidentally, before making the major decision to go after the remaining two Old Gods, wouldn't it have been a good idea to check with the First Warden at Weisshaupt? We know from Last Flight that Clarel didn't. It wasn't as though darkspawn were pouring onto the surface, so they should at least have check if a. the northern Wardens were hearing the Calling too, and b. if the First Warden thought this was the best way to deal with it. That's what upset people.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 27, 2024 18:58:51 GMT
I honestly don't see what they would be apologetic about, especially given that the Wardens were never supposed to be viewed as flawless (there were questions about Wardens since DAO). It wasn't that they should be viewed as flawless but that they acted like such idiots. Panicking when there was no need since they hadn't all dropped dead on the spot and there was no sign of an Arch-demon coming to the surface. The Wardens who hear the Calling don't all drop dead in an instant - and it was never about imminent Archdemon arrival It was because the Calling meant that it will be over for them soon enough, and then there will be nobody to stop the Archdemons once they do come to the surface - feeling that the whole order might be undone soon enough, it was basically them trying to reach the Archdemons before the Blight in their blood inevitably claims them. "Some really dodgy mage" was just part of a larger plan to ensnare the Wardens - don't forget that the Nightmare demon worked in the Fade to instill fear and doubt in them, and feel like they're isolated and with no other alternatives. The way Corypheus ensnared the Orlesian Wardens is that he's made them desperate. Desperate people will do many things, especially if they think they still work with good intentions in mind (killing the last 2 Archdemons before time runs out for the Wardens). We've heard that Wardens in Weisshaupt were dodgy since DAO - from none other than an Orlesian Warden, Riordan. WoT 1 also says that the First Warden is rarely present in Weisshaput, because he's more interested in politicking and lining his pockets. The Wardens are largely relying on regional Warden-Commanders to lead them, which is why Clarel never sought the advice of the First Warden. Like, what were they supposed to do? Run around Anderfels, until they find him, even though he's a crap leader not really interested in Warden affairs? Never mind that Anderfels and Weisshaupt are quiiiite far away. And the Orlesian Wardens didn't know when the Calling they heard will start claiming them.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 27, 2024 20:39:31 GMT
The Wardens who hear the Calling don't all drop dead in an instant - and it was never about imminent Archdemon arrival It was because the Calling meant that it will be over for them soon enough, and then there will be nobody to stop the Archdemons once they do come to the surface - feeling that the whole order might be undone soon enough, it was basically them trying to reach the Archdemons before the Blight in their blood inevitably claims them. I was being a bit tongue in cheek there. The Calling does not overwhelm them that quickly. If you remember Larius from Legacy, he was looking pretty dire generally and yet reasonably in control of his faculties. Isseya's hair was falling out in clumps and she looked dreadful, yet had not yet reached the stage of needing to head into the Deep Roads. Clarel looked pretty decent to me. So did most of the other Wardens. All they appeared to be suffering was a collective buzzing in their brain. That alone should have made them question what was going on. In such an event, they should at least have sent word to Wiesshaupt that something strange was happening to them and asking for guidance. That way the person in charge at HQ in the absence of the First Warden would at least be aware of what was happening and if nothing else respond that the First Warden was unavailable. Instead the plan was to summon a demon army and head into the Deep Roads on mass. Apparently they didn't even think to warn the monarchs of their respective realms where they were going or anyone else for that matter. They just withdrew from across the south. Yet Weisshaupt was getting correspondence from Denerim that suggested nothing was amiss. Whilst it was apparently normal for a local commander not to check in on time (which Clarel didn't), planning a major enterprise in the Deep Roads is something that should have been reported before they left. Of course, the fact is that would never have happened because it was never intended by Erimond to head into the Deep Roads but once the demon army had been summoned in full, the puppet Warden mages would simply have unleashed them on the surface. That is what had happened in the dark future. I would also point out the the whole premise of DAA was that we were going to establish an official Warden presence in Denerim that would actually have political power via Vigil's Keep. This was done with the blessing of both the monarch of Ferelden and the leadership in Weisshaupt. Unfortunately, the writing team decided to ignore DAA completely in the DAI plot. If Leliana wanted to know what was up with the Wardens in Ferelden (which was after all where Blackwall was operating) the first port of call should have been Vigil's Keep, yet she never mentioned having done this. Why didn't Leliana send a friggin raven to Weisshaupt herself? Surely after Haven that would have been advisable? Then again after meeting with Stoud or whoever was Hawke's contact. If they failed to answer, send an agent. Also, Clarel asking permission to enter Ferelden was stupid because once again it had already been established that Orlesian Wardens could travel into the country to supply Vigil's Keep. If the Hero made the ultimate sacrifice the Warden placed in charge of Vigil's Keep was from Orlais. Yet, Clarel's letter made no reference to this. Teagan also ignored this precedent when he harped on about Sophie Dryden. So, there were various aspects to the Warden story that sold them short in the narrative they conducted for DAI.
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