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Post by SilentK on Jun 16, 2024 20:20:43 GMT
I am really curious about her, she just looks like so much fun.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 17, 2024 10:18:52 GMT
That really stems from her connection to the Veil Jumpers. They are the faction I know the least about and that piques my interest lol. I hope she either knows or has answers to all of the questions I have about Arlathan and elvhen lore. I have a feeling we could be disappointed on that one. Probably like Solas in DAI, she will only tell us as much as she wants to. Unfortunately my experience with him has left me very wary of strange elves from a faction I've never heard of before. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. I'm sure she and the other Veil Jumpers are going to be interesting, though. I think the same. In my first run i will be careful especially with mages. In DAI i have luck. Solas was to much of a scholar for me, so i wasn't interessted. But i think this time they have many surprises. And tragic stories. I need to know more before i make a decision. Good that i play a crow. My HC can than be suspicious of everything.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 17, 2024 10:45:51 GMT
In DAI i have luck. Solas was to much of a scholar for me, so i wasn't interessted. I'm pretty nerdy so it was the opposite for me and talking with him about what he knew is what got me hooked. Also, when he was talking with companions he often said the things I wanted to but wasn't allowed, so it was like he was speaking on behalf of me. I was frustrated he didn't tell us more about stuff like the Blight because clearly he did know more, although that is only truly apparent in hindsight. I was thoroughly burned by my romance/friendship with him, which is why I am so wary now, the more so because Bellara seems so upbeat and cheery. Disarm me with charm? Not this time round.
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Post by Balsam Beige on Jun 18, 2024 14:09:30 GMT
I'm interested in learning more about her. But I could see her ending up being another annoying PeeBee-like character. Humor/levity are important in good storytelling but executed at the wrong time can cheapen it. And of course there needs to be more to the character than comic relief. So hopefully there's depth to her. This^ If she is annoying like PeeBee she will be playing a lot of Gwent at the light house on my run.
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Post by MeadKnight on Jun 18, 2024 21:39:23 GMT
![](https://i.imgur.com/rxNT13h.webp) She is so pretty! (From the Game Informer article)
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Post by colfoley on Jun 18, 2024 21:47:46 GMT
So another potential romance option has thrown her hat in the ring for Oliver, given her description in the GI article, and yes she is pretty.
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Post by jennica on Jun 18, 2024 21:49:25 GMT
I'm really curious what god her vallaslin represents. Davrin also has a new vallaslin design, but at least it looks similar to what we already had. Bellara's looks comepletely different.
And yes, she's very beautiful! I also like her oversized bun. I'm defiently stealing her earrings for my Rook tho.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Jun 18, 2024 23:24:56 GMT
I'm liking Bellara a lot. She strikes me as sweet, fun-loving and overall just a goddang delight.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jun 19, 2024 2:30:33 GMT
I'm really curious what god her vallaslin represents. Davrin also has a new vallaslin design, but at least it looks similar to what we already had. Bellara's looks comepletely different. And yes, she's very beautiful! I also like her oversized bun. I'm defiently stealing her earrings for my Rook tho. Given that she likes to tinker with things, my wild guess is June. It looks nothing like the previous June vallaslin, but it would make sense thematically.
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Post by eaglepursuit on Jun 19, 2024 4:02:23 GMT
I'm liking Bellara a lot. She strikes me as sweet, fun-loving and overall just a goddang delight. She's the perfect replacement for Varric as the chillest companion, since... you know.
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Post by cribbian on Jun 21, 2024 10:16:41 GMT
Not a fan of her hair (is she hiding an ancient elven artifact in that bun?) but hopefully with some animation it'll look better.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 21, 2024 10:36:26 GMT
She'll certainly make a change from Sera as a female elf companion. I'm looking forward to hearing her backstory. Also, perhaps an explanation for the triangles in her earrings. There have been a lot of triangles in the concept art associated with this game so I hope she explains her liking for them in her jewelry fairly early on. Even her vallaslin features a diamond, that is essentially two triangles joined together (you can see the line running through the middle horizontally). I think we are going to find her vallaslin are unique to her or her "clan" and not found among the Dalish. The pattern either side of the diamond makes me think of wings, whilst the diamond could be symbolic of the Fade with the Black City at its centre.
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Post by theascendent on Jun 21, 2024 10:39:54 GMT
I honestly thought that the Veil Jumpers were the Executors for the longest time, with their odd robes and triangular geometric shapes. But instead it's ancient elven magitech they have repurposed for modern use.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 21, 2024 10:50:55 GMT
I honestly thought that the Veil Jumpers were the Executors for the longest time, with their odd robes and triangular geometric shapes. But instead it's ancient elven magitech they have repurposed for modern use. Maybe but I would not rule out a connection yet. The triangular in the art for strife is just too conspicuous. And who says that the Executors aren't in connection with an Elven god. Solas fear them the most.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 21, 2024 10:59:15 GMT
I honestly thought that the Veil Jumpers were the Executors for the longest time, with their odd robes and triangular geometric shapes. But instead it's ancient elven magitech they have repurposed for modern use. Has anyone said they aren't connected with the Executors? Part of my wariness about them as a group is that I never bought the idea that Strife and his "clan" were just simple Dalish that had wound up in Arlathan Forest for "reasons". He and his companion were checking out the Qunari invasion of Tevinter to find out what their plans were. Why would they be so bothered by their conflict? Of course, subsequent to the fall of Ventus the Qunari started cutting down trees on the edge of the forest and then attacked Antiva, so there is more to the Qunari's activities than meets the eye. The Executor seemed to think there was a reason the Ben'Hassrath would have wanted to avoid meeting with them. Solas certainly didn't want Charter to hear what the agent had to say. The Executors opposed the Wolf (not the Dread Wolf note, just the Wolf). Then suddenly there is this group, led by Strife and Irelin, known as the Veil Jumpers. This is a group we have never heard of before so presumably are a recent invention. Is this a cover for their activities as agents of the Executors? Strife had an ancient map of Arlathan in the short story Ruins of Reality. Where did he get that from? The clan also had an ancient artifact, a book that started to rewrite itself. The Keeper gave it to Strife when it did so. Why? Is it that he the only one able to read the ancient writing? If that was the case, it was pretty odd for a simple alienage elf from Starkhaven. He and Irelin were trying to recover an artifact relating to Ghilan'nain, whilst Strife seemed to be devoted to Andruil. The illustration to the short story featured triangles on his clothing. Now Bellara also has triangles in her earrings and strange vallaslin. I think Bellara sounds really sweet and interesting to talk with but I'm really suspicious of her origins and motivations. Of course, she may not be from the Executors but infiltrated the Veil Jumpers because she knows they are affiliated with them. In which case, she could even be an agent of Solas.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 21, 2024 11:07:11 GMT
Just thought I would throw this image in here. Look at the Black City (particularly the lower half and the wings of the dragon in relation to it. Then compare Bellara's vallaslin. Also, Mythal was known for her cities, so the Eternal City was likely her ultimate creation; hence the dragon looming over it. ![](https://preview.redd.it/spoilers-all-theory-regarding-the-seven-gates-of-the-black-v0-uz6l06rxpx4c1.png?width=672&format=png&auto=webp&s=8fabf8863d6829b0398140b6ba4afdc32dd5c9f5)
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 21, 2024 11:11:42 GMT
Also look at this image of the Golden/Black City from Redcliffe Chantry. When it becomes corrupted it inverts its position. Stick them together and draw a line around them and it is almost a diamond in shape. Solas also seems to invert images that depict corrupt beings. So the two gods in his mural are upside down. So the diamond in Bellara's vallaslin could be a symbolic representation of the two states of the Eternal City, Golden before corruption above the line and Black afterwards below it. ![](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT7dhXNMTd3roBHiTfhdbWBFQJ1Y1rUMi7tCHefsSFWcvn_6Y6VYEjE4YPtDy6EvKj_nXg&usqp=CAU)
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Post by Guardian on Jun 24, 2024 3:13:33 GMT
I'm interested in learning more about her. She looks the best to me of the female options. But I could see her ending up being another annoying PeeBee-like character. Humor/levity are important in good storytelling but executed at the wrong time can cheapen it. And of course there needs to be more to the character than comic relief. So hopefully there's depth to her.
Yeah....that's been my fear so far from the companions, outside of Harding. It's like Inquisition/Andromeda companions all over again - dull and boring, or just...absolutely annoying (a la PeeBee). And while Merrill was "quirky", again, it made a lot of sense for her and came off as endearing. They tried it with Sera, and it didn't quite work, but she was still leaps and bounds better than PeeBee. This just strikes me as PeeBee 2.0.
And the guy who wrote her also wrote Tevinter Nights? I didn't quite get to read that, but...here's hoping it comes out better than the person that wrote Qwydion
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 24, 2024 6:41:17 GMT
And the guy who wrote her also wrote Tevinter Nights? He didn't write the whole of Tevinter Nights. That was just a collection of short stories by a number of different authors, some of whom have since left Bioware and some of whom are still on the team. What John Epler wrote were the two stories Horror of Hormack and Half Up Front. Horror of Hormack was really creepy and had shades of Hespith and her rhyme in the Deep Roads about how the darkspawn make broodmothers, the process by which Golems are made, and for that matter the DLC Golems of Armgarrek, all of which involve pretty horrific processes to create something unnatural. It was very much dark fantasy and there were definite hints that it was something that would feature in the future, even more likely now we know one of the gods that was released as it was strongly hinted that was the god who created the pools. There was also a link between that story and the Executors because the phenomena in HoH smelt of brine/the sea as did agent of the Executors in the final story Dread Wolf Take You by Weekes. In that story the Executor was pretty creepy and it was not possible to see what manner of creature they might be, whilst Solas ensured the people present would never discover more as he petrified them before they could reveal anything.
Half Up Front wasn't as dark but it did involve an agent of Solas trying to escalate the war between Tevinter and the Qun. Also, that the Qun were continuing their magical research program after the setback with the Viddasala and this was again something that was targeted by Solas' agent.
So, if Bellara and her group are doing magical research they are most likely either working for the Executors against Solas or vice versa. It will certainly be interesting to learn his reaction to Bellara as that will probably be indicative of where her loyalties lie.
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Post by Guardian on Jun 24, 2024 13:39:55 GMT
And the guy who wrote her also wrote Tevinter Nights? He didn't write the whole of Tevinter Nights. That was just a collection of short stories by a number of different authors, some of whom have since left Bioware and some of whom are still on the team. What John Epler wrote were the two stories Horror of Hormack and Half Up Front. Horror of Hormack was really creepy and had shades of Hespith and her rhyme in the Deep Roads about how the darkspawn make broodmothers, the process by which Golems are made, and for that matter the DLC Golems of Armgarrek, all of which involve pretty horrific processes to create something unnatural. It was very much dark fantasy and there were definite hints that it was something that would feature in the future, even more likely now we know one of the gods that was released as it was strongly hinted that was the god who created the pools. There was also a link between that story and the Executors because the phenomena in HoH smelt of brine/the sea as did agent of the Executors in the final story Dread Wolf Take You by Weekes. In that story the Executor was pretty creepy and it was not possible to see what manner of creature they might be, whilst Solas ensured the people present would never discover more as he petrified them before they could reveal anything.
Half Up Front wasn't as dark but it did involve an agent of Solas trying to escalate the war between Tevinter and the Qun. Also, that the Qun were continuing their magical research program after the setback with the Viddasala and this was again something that was targeted by Solas' agent.
So, if Bellara and her group are doing magical research they are most likely either working for the Executors against Solas or vice versa. It will certainly be interesting to learn his reaction to Bellara as that will probably be indicative of where her loyalties lie. Interesting....as disturbing as it was, I always enjoyed A Paragon of Her Kind, and the rhyme Hespith put out. It really set the tone for the Deep Roads. I feel a bit better now about her, so I really hope she leans more towards Merrill than PeeBee, but without knowing more about her, it's hard to say. So, I'm more inclined to give her a chance.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 24, 2024 15:02:42 GMT
Wait a fucking minute. She's got a prosthetic arm? They better give my Inquisitor something like that. Also, it occurs to me that we'll finally see new vallaslin designs, since we're no longer in the south. It should be interesting.
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Post by theascendent on Jun 24, 2024 15:16:54 GMT
Not a prosthetic. It is apparently a gauntlet using ancient elven magitech.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 24, 2024 17:08:52 GMT
Also, it occurs to me that we'll finally see new vallaslin designs, since we're no longer in the south. It should be interesting. I swear if someone mentions her vallaslin aren't like the ones the Dalish use in the south and she replies the Dalish have grown apart over the years, I shall definitely mark her down as suss.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 24, 2024 18:28:06 GMT
Also, it occurs to me that we'll finally see new vallaslin designs, since we're no longer in the south. It should be interesting. I swear if someone mentions her vallaslin aren't like the ones the Dalish use in the south and she replies the Dalish have grown apart over the years, I shall definitely mark her down as suss. But that's in accordance with the lore. The Dalish are far from being a monolith - since DAO it was mentioned that the clans have spread all over Thedas and can differ from one another greatly.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 24, 2024 19:09:48 GMT
But that's in accordance with the lore. The Dalish are far from being a monolith - since DAO it was mentioned that the clans have spread all over Thedas and can differ from one another greatly. I've said it before and I'll say it again. When your entire existence is devoted to restoring and preserving your culture, such things as the vallaslin should not have such great variance because maintaining them correctly should matter. This would have been something established as far back as the Dales, not an innovation because of new lore discovered. Solas even tells us he got chased out of camp when he tried to correct a clan on their traditions. So, someone displaying a completely new vallaslin that looks unlike anything we have previously seen and then trying to pass it off as due to "growing apart" is suspect. As it turned out, Solas was suspect too. He wasn't some innocent apostate who learned stuff through lying in ruins. He knew it because he lived it. The same would be true of Felassan and any of his ancient followers. If challenged they would use the "grown apart" excuse for having differing customs but it wouldn't be true because they aren't real Dalish. That is what I am getting at. We know of Dalish clans in Rivain and Antiva but there was no indication of any in Arlathan before now. In fact Merrill said that the clans kept as far from Tevinter as possible because of the dangers involved in getting too close. If clans did start heading north, was it due to Solas encouraging them to? (Not necessarily directly but through their dreams, like the elf who asked the Carta to help them recover the idol). Also, clearly the Arlthvhen was not such a thing if the clans had spread so far apart. I do wonder at that, though because whilst they split up as a safety measure, so if one clan was attacked, the others would be safe, the baseline number they started with would not have been that large a number, since it mostly comprised the priesthood and the families of the Emerald Knights. I wonder just how numerous they could have become in roughly 700 years given the perils of their existence.
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