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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 28, 2024 13:05:03 GMT
Power source? Key? Gauntlet/Bow Upgrade? Executor Child's Puzzle, Astr...err...Fade Prism? Trailer McGuffin? I suppose more to the point, is it actually hers or something she stole (perhaps why the tentacle creature pulled her back through the eluvian)? Does she know herself what it is/how it works or is it something she came on by chance? Could it have anything to do with Strife's magic book that writes itself? It told him and Irelin to go in search of the halla statue and where to find it. Perhaps it is doing the same with other magical items and they formed the Veil Jumpers to help with their recovery. Who was behind the writing in the book? Could her strange artifact be connected in some way to the design of her vallaslin? Bellara and the Veil Jumpers are the most intriguing faction because we know so little about them, apart from all the weird concept art involving triangles and pyramids. Might it have anything to do with the ancient civilisation on Par Vollen? World of Thedas p.84 has an entry on the Pyramids of Par Vollen that were there long before the Qunari took up residence. Their shape apparently perfectly matches the constellation Solium. So does that connect them with the Maker, the Titans or Elgar'nan? It does suggest they were built by humans, not by elves, although they could have been the slaves of elves. They have murals showing tall, horned figures always in positions of authority and respect, which the author of the piece suggests may have made the people of Par Vollen think the Qunari were an ancient legend returning to them. However, he also suggests that the horned figures could have been priests with ritualistic head wear or depictions of their gods. He also suggests that possibly Solium was the sun and moon combined. Both humans (at least the Neromenians) and qunari are said to have arrived from over the sea and first made landfall on Par Vollen. If you join up the points they make a diamond shape. Are we finally going to discover the truth about these pyramids? ![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/SSBuf5AqcIk/maxresdefault.jpg)
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Post by azarhal on Jun 28, 2024 13:24:48 GMT
Any theories on Bellara's elven toy from the trailer? 🧐 Power source? Key? Gauntlet/Bow Upgrade? Executor Child's Puzzle, Astr...err...Fade Prism? Trailer McGuffin? ![](https://i.imgur.com/sxqLnUh.jpeg) BioWare tweeter posted something saying that her gauntlet was a tool to manipulate magic a while back.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 28, 2024 13:26:32 GMT
BioWare tweeter posted something saying that her gauntlet was a tool to manipulate magic a while back. She is wearing the gauntlet in this trailer though, so the magic doodad must be in addition to it or a by product of it. May be they come as a pair. Even the pouches on her utility belt are in the shape of triangles. They have to be significant to her in some way.
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Post by Little Bengel on Jun 28, 2024 15:04:35 GMT
Even the pouches on her utility belt are in the shape of triangles. They have to be significant to her in some way. Veil Jumper design language in general features a lot of triangles. One need only look at the concept art to see it.
Makes sense Bellara, being a VJ herself, would have them too.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 28, 2024 16:50:24 GMT
Veil Jumper design language in general features a lot of triangles. One need only look at the concept art to see it.
Makes sense Bellara, being a VJ herself, would have them too. I know but that still begs the question, why? It is also slightly suspicious that triangles are associated with the Executors but that may have been done deliberately by the writers to make us suspicious of the group. I certainly hope it is something we can ask early in our conversations with Bellara, although it would be amusing to do so as an actual Veil Jumper. Rook: Why do you have so many triangles in clothing and items associated with you? Bellara: You should know, you're one of us, aren't you? Rook: I'm sort of new and missed the induction talk. Catch me up, please.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jun 30, 2024 0:18:41 GMT
This is the clearest image of Bellara's vallaslin that I've found, I'm now able to see the delicate lines between the marks on her cheeks and that the tattoo is gold rather than brown as i thought before. ![](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonage/images/d/d8/Bellara_DATV.png/revision/latest?cb=20240618175621) I still think her vallaslin looks the most like Dirthamen's. ![](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonage/images/0/05/Dirthamen-Vallaslin.png/revision/latest?cb=20150106005626) From the criss crossing wavy lines on dirth's cheeks: take the three vertical lines and flip them horizontally, then take the horizontal line and flip it vertically and add two parallel lines of the same shape. Now you've got whats on Bellara's forehead. Dirth's also has a diamond in the forehead centre albeit of a different design then Bellara's. Triangle on his chin too. The curved lines with points/arrows/triangles along them on dirth's forehead are not dissimilar from the curved lines with points on Bellara's cheeks. Overall it's like Bellara's design is Dirthamen's vallaslin with the cheeks and forehead lines switched and a variant forehead diamond design. Plus he's the perfect god for a character obsessed with ancient secrets as she is described. Links incase the pictures don't load static.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonage/images/0/05/Dirthamen-Vallaslin.png/revision/latest?cb=20150106005626static.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonage/images/0/05/Dirthamen-Vallaslin.png/revision/latest?cb=20150106005626
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 30, 2024 7:08:42 GMT
Overall it's like Bellara's design is Dirthamen's vallaslin with the cheeks and forehead lines switched and a variant forehead diamond design. Plus he's the perfect god for a character obsessed with ancient secrets as she is described. I would agree that based off Dalish lore the vallaslin of Dirthamen would be most appropriate. The was some mention by one of the Devs how they had been exploring regional differences in the vallaslin, which sounds to me to be the whole "Dalish growing apart down the years" to explain any change in the design. However, I still maintain that if the vallaslin have changed so much that it wouldn't immediately be apparent which god they followed to another Dalish, then clearly they had failed to maintain their culture. As I've pointed out, my Lavellan had the vallaslin of Mythal and even without the prior knowledge that Abelas was one of her priesthood, they could have identified his devotion to Mythal by his vallaslin, even if he did not recognise Lavellan as one of his people by his vallaslin, since he regarded the Dalish as merely "shadows wearing vallaslin." So, regardless of what is contained in the CC, if I am able to play a Dalish, then based off all prior knowledge, I would need to ask Bellara which god she supported because her vallaslin are not immediately recognisable. I also repeat my question. If the Dalish had managed to recreate authentic vallaslin for Mythal after many thousands of years and slavery in Tevinter where vallaslin were forbidden, as confirmed by their similarity with those of the inhabitants of the Temple of Mythal who are genuine ancient elves, why would a Dalish clan which had moved north alter their vallaslin so fundamentally in a few hundred years that they were unrecognisable to their counterparts in the south?
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jun 30, 2024 9:57:00 GMT
Overall it's like Bellara's design is Dirthamen's vallaslin with the cheeks and forehead lines switched and a variant forehead diamond design. Plus he's the perfect god for a character obsessed with ancient secrets as she is described. I would agree that based off Dalish lore the vallaslin of Dirthamen would be most appropriate. The was some mention by one of the Devs how they had been exploring regional differences in the vallaslin, which sounds to me to be the whole "Dalish growing apart down the years" to explain any change in the design. However, I still maintain that if the vallaslin have changed so much that it wouldn't immediately be apparent which god they followed to another Dalish, then clearly they had failed to maintain their culture. As I've pointed out, my Lavellan had the vallaslin of Mythal and even without the prior knowledge that Abelas was one of her priesthood, they could have identified his devotion to Mythal by his vallaslin, even if he did not recognise Lavellan as one of his people by his vallaslin, since he regarded the Dalish as merely "shadows wearing vallaslin." So, regardless of what is contained in the CC, if I am able to play a Dalish, then based off all prior knowledge, I would need to ask Bellara which god she supported because her vallaslin are not immediately recognisable. I also repeat my question. If the Dalish had managed to recreate authentic vallaslin for Mythal after many thousands of years and slavery in Tevinter where vallaslin were forbidden, as confirmed by their similarity with those of the inhabitants of the Temple of Mythal who are genuine ancient elves, why would a Dalish clan which had moved north alter their vallaslin so fundamentally in a few hundred years that they were unrecognisable to their counterparts in the south? At this point I'm used to bioware changing designs every game including this one with its demons at the least. Given the completely different designs from dao to dai I'm not inclined to worry too much over why Bellara's design is different until i see what elf rook and lavellan get access to. Bellara's might not end up being very different.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 30, 2024 13:15:06 GMT
At this point I'm used to bioware changing designs every game including this one with its demons at the least. This is also true and I did say I was going to treat this as a new game from that perspective so I didn't get upset by the changes. Nevertheless, I do still wonder about Bellara's vallaslin, particularly as she even seems to have diamonds (conjoined triangles) as part of the design. I'm not inclined to worry too much over why Bellara's design is different until i see what elf rook and lavellan get access to. Bellara's might not end up being very different. It will be interesting to see if they do offer different designs for Lavellan or keep the same ones as before, particularly if Rook can be a Dalish but theirs are going to be different because of the "regional variation". I have to admit I hadn't considered the implication for recreating our Lavellen if they have changed the design.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 1, 2024 18:59:12 GMT
I think this shot from Arlathan must be the Veil Jumper camp, even though the figures shown do not include Bellara. There are barrels at the top of the stairs and crates in the background. I think the party look too relaxed for it to be possibly an enemy camp. If this is the case, note how the giant hands seem to be holding aloft a symbol that looks similar to Bellara's vallaslin. It certainly has triangles; hence the idea this is the camp of the Veil Jumpers. How did the symbol get there? Rook seems to have noticed it and is wondering the same thing. ![](https://dotesports.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Dragon-Age-The-Veilguard-Arlathan-Forest.jpg)
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Post by fistoffiori on Jul 2, 2024 11:12:29 GMT
I think this shot from Arlathan must be the Veil Jumper camp, even though the figures shown do not include Bellara. There are barrels at the top of the stairs and crates in the background. I think the party look too relaxed for it to be possibly an enemy camp. If this is the case, note how the giant hands seem to be holding aloft a symbol that looks similar to Bellara's vallaslin. It certainly has triangles; hence the idea this is the camp of the Veil Jumpers. How did the symbol get there? Rook seems to have noticed it and is wondering the same thing. ![](https://dotesports.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Dragon-Age-The-Veilguard-Arlathan-Forest.jpg) Oh, I just thought it was hands held aloft, didn't even notice the symbol, nice catch!
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Post by theascendent on Jul 4, 2024 13:28:47 GMT
I have a sneaking suspicion Bellara is our mage/apostate traitor of this game. Let us examine previous offenders. Morrigan: Human Female Mage Anders: Human Male Mage Solas: Elf Male Mage Bellara: Elf Female Mage Anyone else notice the pattern? Not trying to disparage or throw accusations about, but after three times, better start giving everyone a second look.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 4, 2024 14:42:17 GMT
You forgot Iron Bull. Of course, that is a conditional betrayal rather than automatic but I would throw it in there because it seems to me that after 3 betrayals by male companions it is about time that it swapped back to female again. Certainly, if we are looking at mages there are two female options as against just one male.
It is funny, though, when you think about it, that we are so accustomed to betrayal now we are expecting it and looking at everyone with suspicion. Just to catch us by surprise, they will all be utterly loyal. I've also seen more than one on-line commentator suggest that perhaps this time round Rook will be the one to betray them, owing to the influence of the Wolf.
There was some suggestion that we will need all the companions for the final mission, so that is perhaps when loyalty will become important and it is more a case that we will have had to earn it, a bit like ME2, rather than one of them automatically betrays us.
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 4, 2024 14:53:23 GMT
Hmmm... what if we won't be betrayed by a companion, but by a faction?
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Post by Grog Muffins on Jul 4, 2024 15:28:09 GMT
It is funny, though, when you think about it, that we are so accustomed to betrayal now we are expecting it and looking at everyone with suspicion. Just to catch us by surprise, they will all be utterly loyal. Well, considering any of the companions could die based on what decisions we make (at least in so far as we've been told), maybe there won't be any betrayal. Or that's exactly what Bioware wants, for us to lower our guard. ![:nupe:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/EPlwuDsjU0uMQykfdUHf.gif) They didn't go for the pattern of Sandal being in every game but they still put a reference to him in Trespasser, would they go for the pattern of a (mage) betrayer in every game?
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Post by jennica on Jul 4, 2024 15:31:39 GMT
Hmmm... what if we won't be betrayed by a companion, but by a faction? I'd say it's time for the protagonist to betray everyone ![:lol:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/qUctXNjCPgwPaLsZeKry.png) Imagine if they'll let us to side with Solas or even with Evanuris duo.
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 4, 2024 16:52:04 GMT
Hmmm... what if we won't be betrayed by a companion, but by a faction? I'd say it's time for the protagonist to betray everyone ![:lol:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/hvmIjhwmXXhEpLGvVjWX.png) Imagine if they'll let us to side with Solas or even with Evanuris duo. Yea, I've been postulating that it's time for this kind of twist for a while now We've had so many companions either betray us or have some sort of hidden agenda, the big twist would be that none of them does and we get to make some decisions that, at the very least, look very fishy ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/uYQYVMAupPAfTXFFwWlB.png)
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Post by roselavellan on Jul 4, 2024 16:53:10 GMT
I don't understand why everyone seems to think she's primed to be a traitor, or is sus in any way? Like, half the team seem to be mages, so it could literally be anyone (or no one). Also, I've rarely seen people with cheerful, bubbly personalities turn out to be treacherous in games, and certainly not in DA (Anders doesn't count, because the real, cheerful Anders wouldn't have done it).
Anyway, I think it's probably going to be a tragedy instead of a betrayal this time.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 4, 2024 17:33:37 GMT
I have a sneaking suspicion Bellara is our mage/apostate traitor of this game. Let us examine previous offenders. Morrigan: Human Female Mage Anders: Human Male Mage Solas: Elf Male Mage Bellara: Elf Female Mage Anyone else notice the pattern? Not trying to disparage or throw accusations about, but after three times, better start giving everyone a second look. Exactly. Dragon Ages has taught me to be wary of all mages, they always fuck up, also elves. Especially if they are both! *glowers at Solas* Keeping an eye on those elven mages. *narrows eyes at Bellara* Probably Harding then, lol. Just to switch it up!
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 4, 2024 17:59:06 GMT
I don't understand why everyone seems to think she's primed to be a traitor, or is sus in any way? It is her faction more than Bellara herself. Now it could be the writers have been scattering red herrings ever since DAI with this business of the Executors and their symbol being a triangle and the fact they are opposed to Solas, then this mysterious group of "Dalish" turn up in Arlathan Forest and start recovering artifacts (including one that just happens to be dedicated to Ghilan'nain) and have clothing with triangles and call themselves Veil Jumpers and seem so friendly and helpful, plus strange new magic that we have never heard of before. It may be they are not connected with the Executors or the briny smelling Executor had nothing to do with the strange monster creating pools connected with Ghilan'nain and which also smelt briny, but it is worth being just a tad cautious before accepting them absolutely at face value. After all, Flemeth was awfully helpful to the Warden, offering the services of her daughter Morrigan, who was useful to the cause but in the end had an ulterior motive for sticking with us. For that matter, so was Solas helpful and pleasant enough most of the time. The anchor would have killed the Inquisitor at the outset but for his help, yet it turned out he had his own agenda that definitely was not in the interests of the majority of inhabitants of Thedas. That is chiefly why strange people, particularly mages, of whom we know so little, are thought to be suspect. Also, I've rarely seen people with cheerful, bubbly personalities turn out to be treacherous in games, and certainly not in DA There's always a first time for everything. ![:lol:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/qUctXNjCPgwPaLsZeKry.png) We were complaining how the majority of villains in DAI were so unpleasant and shifty it was hard to understand how anybody trusted them in the first place and then they hit us with Solas, so as I've said previously "beware the elves bearing gifts". Don't take it too hard about Bellara. I usually romance elves. I had been moaning how my nice male elf PCs never get to romance a girl from their own race and now they've given me one. She's bright, inquisitive, cheerful, looks pretty and has a nice voice. What more could my hero ask for? There has to be a catch somewhere. (I was badly burned by Solas with my female Lavellan and it has left its mark)
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Post by roselavellan on Jul 4, 2024 18:31:12 GMT
It is her faction more than Bellara herself. AHH. I get it now, thanks for the explanation! I do think it's unlikely they'd make a cute girl a traitor, but stranger things have happened, of course. But I agree that falling in love in Bioware tends to be risky (not Bellara-specific). Solas was particularly bad because our hearts were broken in stages.
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Post by helios969 on Jul 4, 2024 19:13:18 GMT
I'd say it's time for the protagonist to betray everyone ![:lol:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/qUctXNjCPgwPaLsZeKry.png) Imagine if they'll let us to side with Solas or even with Evanuris duo. Yea, I've been postulating that it's time for this kind of twist for a while now Then our loyal (and possibly beloved) companion Bellara gets to play Samwise who protects us from the "taint" of the ring and it's evil master Solas.
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Post by Hrungr on Jul 4, 2024 20:59:49 GMT
They're all sus. ![](https://e.deviantart.net/emoticons/s/sherlock.gif) 7 Companions... 7 Old Gods - Again, just sayin'. ![:hue:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/ylSGZfoaGJIOHQXDloNH.png) Taash seems to be the only companion (so far!) that we haven't heard has some kind of magical ability. Trust No One.
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Post by The Pluto Lounge on Jul 4, 2024 21:32:28 GMT
I don't understand why everyone seems to think she's primed to be a traitor, or is sus in any way? It is her faction more than Bellara herself. Now it could be the writers have been scattering red herrings ever since DAI with this business of the Executors and their symbol being a triangle and the fact they are opposed to Solas, then this mysterious group of "Dalish" turn up in Arlathan Forest and start recovering artifacts (including one that just happens to be dedicated to Ghilan'nain) and have clothing with triangles and call themselves Veil Jumpers and seem so friendly and helpful, plus strange new magic that we have never heard of before. It may be they are not connected with the Executors or the briny smelling Executor had nothing to do with the strange monster creating pools connected with Ghilan'nain and which also smelt briny, but it is worth being just a tad cautious before accepting them absolutely at face value. After all, Flemeth was awfully helpful to the Warden, offering the services of her daughter Morrigan, who was useful to the cause but in the end had an ulterior motive for sticking with us. For that matter, so was Solas helpful and pleasant enough most of the time. The anchor would have killed the Inquisitor at the outset but for his help, yet it turned out he had his own agenda that definitely was not in the interests of the majority of inhabitants of Thedas. That is chiefly why strange people, particularly mages, of whom we know so little, are thought to be suspect. Also, I've rarely seen people with cheerful, bubbly personalities turn out to be treacherous in games, and certainly not in DA There's always a first time for everything. ![:lol:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/qUctXNjCPgwPaLsZeKry.png) We were complaining how the majority of villains in DAI were so unpleasant and shifty it was hard to understand how anybody trusted them in the first place and then they hit us with Solas, so as I've said previously "beware the elves bearing gifts". Don't take it too hard about Bellara. I usually romance elves. I had been moaning how my nice male elf PCs never get to romance a girl from their own race and now they've given me one. She's bright, inquisitive, cheerful, looks pretty and has a nice voice. What more could my hero ask for? There has to be a catch somewhere. (I was badly burned by Solas with my female Lavellan and it has left its mark) Well, if she betrays us by executing Solas... I can live with that. I love your theory, though. It also could be why Solas wore a disguise in The Missing when he (presumably) saved Varric in the Arlathan forest.
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Post by theascendent on Jul 4, 2024 21:54:08 GMT
Speaking of the Missing, does anyone have any idea what or who that Venatori assassin was? Curious that Elf killed them at the end before they could talk.
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