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Post by Little Bengel on Jul 4, 2024 22:18:20 GMT
They're all sus. 7 Companions... 7 Old Gods - Again, just sayin'. Taash seems to be the only companion (so far!) that we haven't heard has some kind of magical ability. Trust No One.So, did I miss something being said about Davrin?
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Post by azarhal on Jul 4, 2024 23:53:42 GMT
They're all sus. 7 Companions... 7 Old Gods - Again, just sayin'. Taash seems to be the only companion (so far!) that we haven't heard has some kind of magical ability. Trust No One.So, did I miss something being said about Davrin? One of Community Council member said he had a secret last month. We don't know what the secret is, could be very stupid.
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 4, 2024 23:54:03 GMT
They're all sus. 7 Companions... 7 Old Gods - Again, just sayin'. Taash seems to be the only companion (so far!) that we haven't heard has some kind of magical ability. Trust No One.Not even yourself
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jul 5, 2024 0:25:09 GMT
I have a sneaking suspicion Bellara is our mage/apostate traitor of this game. Let us examine previous offenders. Morrigan: Human Female Mage Anders: Human Male Mage Solas: Elf Male Mage Bellara: Elf Female Mage Anyone else notice the pattern? Not trying to disparage or throw accusations about, but after three times, better start giving everyone a second look. Seems unfair to lump Morrigan in with Anders and Solas. Secretly having a plan to save your life and the life of a purified God is hardly on the level as tricking you into helping blow up a public building by telling you it was for a cure and certainly not on the same level as secretly being responsible for Corypheus getting the orb and planning to destroy the modern world. Like it sucks that she was hiding something from you but it's not really traitorous. If you refuse the ritual then she gets mad at you for choosing to die and abandons you to fight the archdemon without her - that's a betrayal, but a conditional one, we don't call the other origins companions traitors even though most of them will leave or attack you under the right conditions. That being said it wouldn't surprise me if Bellara turned out to be secretly working for Dirthamen or something.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jul 5, 2024 0:58:47 GMT
When I saw Bellara's Asian appearance my first thought was she was from one of the many northern islands in the Boeric ocean (don't ask me why, i dunno) then today I remembered the Island of Par Ladi
- WoT v2 p.131-132, in-world author: Brother Genitivi
The "bedecked in gold and jewels" part made me think of all the gold worn by Bellara and the concept art veil Jumpers - which makes me wonder if she and "those from across the sea" are from Par ladi.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Jul 5, 2024 5:32:35 GMT
They're all sus. 7 Companions... 7 Old Gods - Again, just sayin'. Taash seems to be the only companion (so far!) that we haven't heard has some kind of magical ability. Trust No One.Varric does say "someone with fire in their blood" when Taash appears in the companion trailer. Given she's Qunari, he might not be talking metaphorically.
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Post by helios969 on Jul 5, 2024 5:57:21 GMT
I have a sneaking suspicion Bellara is our mage/apostate traitor of this game. Let us examine previous offenders. Morrigan: Human Female Mage Anders: Human Male Mage Solas: Elf Male Mage Bellara: Elf Female Mage Anyone else notice the pattern? Not trying to disparage or throw accusations about, but after three times, better start giving everyone a second look. Is this part of that DEI thing I keep hearing about? Really this is just a red herring by the devs...it's Neve who is actually someone from a past game magically incognito in order to be able to operate in Minrathous freely.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 5, 2024 6:39:45 GMT
Seems unfair to lump Morrigan in with Anders and Solas. Secretly having a plan to save your life and the life of a purified God is hardly on the level as tricking you into helping blow up a public building by telling you it was for a cure and certainly not on the same level as secretly being responsible for Corypheus getting the orb and planning to destroy the modern world. It is easy to give her a free pass in hindsight because it didn't have any nasty repercussions for the world and, of course, couldn't have since it was not obligatory, so in many world states the OGB does not exist. However, if you are role playing your character correctly, not second guessing the writers because in world they don't know they are in a computer game, then first run my Warden was very wary about giving in to her demands in order to save the soul of the Arch-demon. (There was no guarantee the "purified" soul would be benign, we are talking about the Old Gods of Tevinter here, you know the state that enslaves people and uses blood magic on them with their gods' approval). Then she said she would depart immediately after the battle and he would have no part in the upbringing of the child. My first Warden was Dalish. He'd already had an example of how a magic ritual can have unforeseen consequences with the Lady of the Forest. Plus the whole episode of Flemeth and the grimoire. It was clear she only saved his life and that of Alistair for this end purpose and now Morrigan is effectively using them in the same way. He didn't want to die but already knew he was on borrowed time because of the taint. The whole business sounded terribly suspect and he really didn't want to save the world (and his Dalish people) from the Blight, only to have the god come back in some other form to conquer the world. So, he was quite prepared to sacrifice himself to prevent that outcome. Now we do know who Flemeth was, it is even more concerning what she wanted us to do, for make no mistake it was Flemeth/Mythal who was pulling the strings. Morrigan may have rebelled against her in the end so she didn't possess Kieran but she still got the old god soul like she always wanted. So, actually I think it does equate rather well to Solas.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 5, 2024 6:51:11 GMT
The "bedecked in gold and jewels" part made me think of all the gold worn by Bellara and the concept art veil Jumpers - which makes me wonder if she and "those from across the sea" are from Par ladi. Strangely enough a few years back when we were discussing places and origins of people involved in the next story, I did mention Par Ladi and wondered if there was any connection with the Executors. Certainly, they seemed to have some sort of powerful magic that protected them from outsiders and preferred to stay isolated from the outside world. However, whilst the Veil Jumpers could have been founded by someone from there, neither Bellara nor the other elves could be natives of that island because it was inhabited by humans (unless the elves were using illusion magic to make themselves appear that way). I have to admit I'm slightly disappointed that there is no native of Seheron among our companions. I was hoping for a Fog Warrior/Fog Dancer. The piece in World of Thedas on their magic and traditional stories made them sound really interesting. However, they did say their ancestors learned "at the feet of the elves", so there could be some sort of connection there. Then our loyal (and possibly beloved) companion Bellara gets to play Samwise who protects us from the "taint" of the ring and it's evil master Solas. Now this would be really cool. Bellara could have rejected the machinations of her Executor overlords but still shared their opposition to the Wolf and had the magical knowledge to deal with him effectively. Or she could be another of his followers that ultimately rejects and betrays him, a sort of female Felassan if you will.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jul 5, 2024 10:15:37 GMT
The "bedecked in gold and jewels" part made me think of all the gold worn by Bellara and the concept art veil Jumpers - which makes me wonder if she and "those from across the sea" are from Par ladi. Strangely enough a few years back when we were discussing places and origins of people involved in the next story, I did mention Par Ladi and wondered if there was any connection with the Executors. Certainly, they seemed to have some sort of powerful magic that protected them from outsiders and preferred to stay isolated from the outside world. However, whilst the Veil Jumpers could have been founded by someone from there, neither Bellara nor the other elves could be natives of that island because it was inhabited by humans (unless the elves were using illusion magic to make themselves appear that way). Is it though? The wotv2 entry doesn't mention what race they are. And they seem so isolationist I'm surprised the account Genitivi quoted even got close enough to tell they wore alot of jewellery.🤔
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 5, 2024 10:36:18 GMT
Is it though? The wotv2 entry doesn't mention what race they are. And they seem so isolationist I'm surprised the account Genitivi quoted even got close enough to tell they wore alot of jewellery.🤔 His account is mostly working of rumour and speculation, so nothing can really be relied on. The massif architecture and gold jewelry isn't that informative, nor is the fact they speak a strange language. However, another account he heard from sailors mentions there being "witches" among them reminiscent of Rivaini seers. If these sailors did get a close enough look to think that, I think they would have mentioned if they were elves and they wouldn't have automatically reminded them of Rivain. Then they suggest that the cloak their island with protective magic, which made me think of the Fog Dancers who do a similar thing so shield their warriors from discovery. This is why I wondered if there was some sort of connection between them. The Fog Dancers speak of something called the March of the Four Winds which could hint at a cultural group that divided and went in four different directions as the tale speaks of a lost people who fled to the northern islands (from where?). They also say that the griffons originally came from Seheron, so that is another connection with our current story. Plus the Curse of Nahar that brought the fog and the promise will someday lift it. I wonder if they are recalling a symbolic explanation of the Veil which fogged the minds of people and caused them to forget much of their history, even though the modern Fog Dancers think it refers to a literal fog. There is also the other codex concerning Par Vollen and the pyramids there (triangle connection again). There have been lots of hints at an ancient, probably powerful but certainly magical human society, likely linked with the Neromenians who were seafarers. I do wonder if both the Neromenians and the later kossith/Qunari were seeking to escape from the Executors.
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Post by helios969 on Jul 5, 2024 10:43:15 GMT
Now this would be really cool. Bellara could have rejected the machinations of her Executor overlords but still shared their opposition to the Wolf and had the magical knowledge to deal with him effectively. Or she could be another of his followers that ultimately rejects and betrays him, a sort of female Felassan if you will. I had to look Felassan up since I know little outside the games...that from what I pick up around here from people on the books and whatnot. Intriguing name..."slow arrow"...and apparently affiliated with Mythal. Playing the long game. Like his patron goddess. And a dreamer. Wonder what the likelihood is of him being in the game?
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 5, 2024 10:48:19 GMT
Wonder what the likelihood is of him being in the game? Well he is either dead or tranquil (since he was killed in the Fade). We know the latter is possible to reverse but I think PW discouraged the idea that he would be returning. Perhaps if the Dread Wolf kills you in the Fade then you are definitely dead. Cole also said: "The slow arrow breaks in the sad wolf's jaws", confirming it was Solas who killed him and that whilst he probably regretted having to do it, like with everything else he would not have held back if he felt it was necessary.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Jul 5, 2024 13:45:29 GMT
Yeah. Definitely looks puzzling... I just remember seeing concept art such as ^ and thinking, I do *not* like the look of that bow, is that the aesthetic they're going with, like, really though BioWare? 😬 And what happened to a good old magical shield? Away with those weird... shard thingies from my Dragon Age! Now... all the arrows are pointing to Bellara. Or is it just that we've grown paranoid, totally traumatized by the betrayal of past mage companions, and maybe she's just as sweet and innocent and adorkable as she looks? ... Who TF cares. You guys get the water bucket, I'll hold her down, let's water board this b****! 😜(j/k)
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Jul 5, 2024 13:51:30 GMT
Hey, remember in what order we get Solas as a companion in DAI? Seems to be the same we meet Bellara apparently (Arlathan forest)... O.o
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Post by azarhal on Jul 5, 2024 14:06:46 GMT
Hey, remember in what order we get Solas as a companion in DAI? Seems to be the same we meet Bellara apparently (Arlathan forest)... O.o In DAI, you get Solas and Varric at the same time.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 5, 2024 15:34:47 GMT
Hey, remember in what order we get Solas as a companion in DAI? Seems to be the same we meet Bellara apparently (Arlathan forest)... O.o Just to add to the conspiracy theory, if you ignore the "red shirts" who get killed off, the third (what am I thinking, she was the second) companion introduced to us in DAO is duh, duh, dur... that's right folks, Morrigan. (I'm speaking of human companions here as dog does go AWOL for a time even if he was your noble's faithful mabari.) In DAI, you get Solas and Varric at the same time. True, which one do we speak to first? Hmm, we see Varric first in the cut scene but Solas gets to speak first because he grabs our hand and closes the breach with it. I suppose technically Varric was first. Solas gets to do the magical doodad thing though. I think the article says something similar with Bellara. Who TF cares. You guys get the water bucket, I'll hold her down, let's water board this b****! 😜(j/k) Now, now, that is a bit extreme. Poor girl, we're immediately giving her the stink eye and we haven't even been introduced properly. To be honest, I think our biggest problem is going to be that annoying voice in our head of our last Fade expert. Now if Bellara knows a way to block him, all will be forgiven.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Jul 5, 2024 20:58:51 GMT
Yes! Plus, technically Varric got there first (IIRC brought by Cassandra).
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 6, 2024 6:48:35 GMT
Yes! Plus, technically Varric got there first (IIRC brought by Cassandra). Ah yes, dear old Varric. The eternal "tag along". Still, as I've realised and edited in my above post, Morrigan wasn't our third permanent companion in DAO but the second. So, perhaps we should count Solas speaking and acting first to account for his recruitment. Certainly when it switches from the cut scene to the game play, Solas is shown next in order after Cassandra and Varric last, so Solas is in the same position as Morrigan, but that means that Neve and not Bellara is in the "potentially dodgy" spot.
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Post by MeadKnight on Jul 6, 2024 16:11:54 GMT
Hey, remember in what order we get Solas as a companion in DAI? Seems to be the same we meet Bellara apparently (Arlathan forest)... O.o This just means I will be 3 for 3 on romancing the companion that betrays you on my first playthrough. Bring it on.
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Post by illuminated11 on Jul 11, 2024 4:48:04 GMT
Does anyone else find Bellara’s vallaslin weirdly reminiscent of the Rite of Tranquility symbol? It struck me recently while looking at the Lighthouse shot, where she’s far away from the camera and the vallaslin is harder to make out in detail.
Might just be seeing things, but a cured tranquil would have a lot of potential for a companion. And it synergizes well with her bubbly personality, could be a ‘living for the moment to make up for all the moments lost’ type of deal. Fits the theme of regret too, that way.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 11, 2024 7:23:13 GMT
Hey, remember in what order we get Solas as a companion in DAI? Seems to be the same we meet Bellara apparently (Arlathan forest)... O.o This just means I will be 3 for 3 on romancing the companion that betrays you on my first playthrough. Bring it on. Yeah Cullen was the 'safe' option out of all of them, went Anders, Cullen, potential betrayer in Veilguard.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 11, 2024 11:58:10 GMT
Does anyone else find Bellara’s vallaslin weirdly reminiscent of the Rite of Tranquility symbol? It is only similar in that it is in the middle of the forehead. However, it is a round, sunburst symbol, in contrast with the diamond, sharp angled symbol that Bellara has. The rays emenating out from the central image is similar but you will notice the middle is empty and the lines wavy on the tranquil brand, whereas there is a dark mirror image in the centre (which I think signifies the Black City) and straight lines ending in a border. It is possible that central image on Bellara is meant to represent the Fade, with the Black City at its centre and the Veil surrounding it. If you go to my thread on items on the table, you can enlarge the image and then focus in on areas you are particularly interested in.
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Post by illuminated11 on Jul 11, 2024 12:05:51 GMT
Does anyone else find Bellara’s vallaslin weirdly reminiscent of the Rite of Tranquility symbol? It is only similar in that it is in the middle of the forehead. However, it is a round, sunburst symbol, in contrast with the diamond, sharp angled symbol that Bellara has. The rays emenating out from the central image is similar but you will notice the middle is empty and the lines wavy on the tranquil brand, whereas there is a black mirror image in the centre (which I think signifyies the Black City) and straight lines ending in a border. It is possible that central image on Bellara is meant to represent the Fade, with the Black City at is centre and the Veil surrounding it. Yeah when I looked at them closely they were different enough I second guessed myself, but still feel like silhouette of her vallaslin resembles object radiating light, and could be abstract enough to be a stylized sun. I’ll file that away in unlikely theory territory, but would be cool if it panned out.
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