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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 11, 2024 12:08:56 GMT
I'm just as interested in her jewelry. When focusing on her in my thread, I noticed that hair clip reminds me of a dragon head. It is not so clear on some other pictures but it is there, so it can't be related to being part of the Veilguard as I believe that image is from when she first meets you. It looks less like a dragon head in this one. Perhaps it is meant to be the symbol of the Veil Jumpers. I do wonder why their symbol is a deer/halla head. Neither of the goddesses linked with that image inspire much confidence in me, nor are they particularly associated with the Fade or magical items, even in Dalish lore.
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Post by azarhal on Jul 11, 2024 12:13:06 GMT
Does anyone else find Bellara’s vallaslin weirdly reminiscent of the Rite of Tranquility symbol? It struck me recently while looking at the Lighthouse shot, where she’s far away from the camera and the vallaslin is harder to make out in detail. Might just be seeing things, but a cured tranquil would have a lot of potential for a companion. And it synergizes well with her bubbly personality, could be a ‘living for the moment to make up for all the moments lost’ type of deal. Fits the theme of regret too, that way. The Rite of Tranquility symbol is the Chantry sunburst. It's also a scar, it's a brand from a very hot object.
But in the case of Bellara's vallaslin, it looks more like an eye with wings to me. Which means she has Visus on her forehead, with wings. A very popular symbol, that haven't been tied to any elven god officially, but it's tied to the Lady in the Skies and Trydda's Saga tell us the Lady is an elf and into woman so...
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 11, 2024 12:18:22 GMT
But in the case of Bellara's vallaslin, it looks more like an eye with wings to me. I still think it more likely symbolic of the Veil/Fade/Black City. However, if you take a look at the table in my thread there is a parchment there with an eye on it, so if you are right about the symbolism of an eye, then that could be a clue.
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Post by illuminated11 on Jul 11, 2024 12:53:45 GMT
Is lady of the sky also associated with Mythal, or are they pretty definitively separate? I know most Avaar gods are just powerful spirits, but technically Mythal was described as a spirit too when she joined with Flemeth.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 11, 2024 13:30:01 GMT
Is lady of the sky also associated with Mythal, or are they pretty definitively separate? I know most Avaar gods are just powerful spirits, but technically Mythal was described as a spirit too when she joined with Flemeth. It is hard to say. When Tyrdda Brightaxe had the Lady of the Skies as her "spirit bride", she was also described as her leaf-eared lover and as laughing. Flemeth used to laugh a lot, so perhaps that was the influence of Mythal. I thought the spirit bride part reminded me of Andraste's relationship with "the Maker", who may or may not have been the actual creator of the universe. After all, I assume any Fade spirit could claim the identity of someone familiar to the mortal without actually being that entity. Also, at that time, as you say, Mythal was still just a spirit in the Fade, so could have been the Lady communicating with Tyrdda, whilst their relationship was conducted entirely within the Fade (which we know is a possibility from our romance with Solas). Now David Gaider maintained there was no connection between the story of Tyrdda and Andraste but that could have been him being ambiguous because the type of relationship was the same but it was a different deity in contact with them. Certainly, I would have thought the story of Tyrdda was included deliberately to illustrate that the idea of having a spirit lover was something known in the Alamaari/Avvar, so was not that unique to Andraste. I suppose the other indicator would be whether the Lady still continued to communicate with her faithful among the Avvar after Mythal joined with Flemeth. However, as I've pointed out, if a spirit knew she was no longer around to object, it is entirely possible they might have adopted that identity and received the appropriate worship, giving boons as a result, so the worshipers wouldn't know any different. The Avvar certainly seemed to think the Lady was still answering their prayers.
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Post by azarhal on Jul 11, 2024 13:49:01 GMT
Is lady of the sky also associated with Mythal, or are they pretty definitively separate? I know most Avaar gods are just powerful spirits, but technically Mythal was described as a spirit too when she joined with Flemeth. There is some tinfoil theories that claims the Lady of the Skies (it's plural) is Mythal, but I feel these people just want every ancient female character of import to be Mythal.
The Lady of the Skies in Tyrdda's saga is definitively not a wisp, she's a very powerful spirit in the Fade. So unless Flemeth lied about Mythal being a tiny powerless wisp before they found each others in the Tower ages (Tyrdda's saga is set ~1000 before the 1st Blight), they are totally unrelated.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jul 11, 2024 14:01:08 GMT
Is lady of the sky also associated with Mythal, or are they pretty definitively separate? I know most Avaar gods are just powerful spirits, but technically Mythal was described as a spirit too when she joined with Flemeth. There is some tinfoil theories that claims the Lady of the Skies (it's plural) is Mythal, but I feel these people just want every ancient female character of import to be Mythal.
The Lady of the Skies in Tyrdda's saga is definitively not a wisp, she's a very powerful spirit in the Fade. So unless Flemeth lied about Mythal being a tiny powerless wisp before they found each others in the Tower ages (Tyrdda's saga is set ~1000 before the 1st Blight), they are totally unrelated. Flemeth says that Mythal was a whisp of an ancient being, but was still able to give Flemeth everything she wanted and more. Perhaps Mythal was a wisp compared to what she was in her fullness, but not powerless.
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Post by azarhal on Jul 11, 2024 14:27:28 GMT
There is some tinfoil theories that claims the Lady of the Skies (it's plural) is Mythal, but I feel these people just want every ancient female character of import to be Mythal.
The Lady of the Skies in Tyrdda's saga is definitively not a wisp, she's a very powerful spirit in the Fade. So unless Flemeth lied about Mythal being a tiny powerless wisp before they found each others in the Tower ages (Tyrdda's saga is set ~1000 before the 1st Blight), they are totally unrelated. Flemeth says that Mythal was a whisp of an ancient being, but was still able to give Flemeth everything she wanted and more. Perhaps Mythal was a wisp compared to what she was in her fullness, but not powerless. The Lady in the Skies, while in the Fade, could cast spells powerful enough to one shot a dragon in the physical world in the Tyrdda's saga. It doesn't really fit the image that Flemeth gives of Mythal's wisp...
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Post by Hrungr on Jul 12, 2024 4:44:01 GMT
John Epler @eplerjc.bsky.social no one i know personally is allowed to romance bellara, i'm sorry, that's just the law
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Post by RelevantRevenant on Jul 12, 2024 6:25:57 GMT
John Epler @eplerjc.bsky.socialno one i know personally is allowed to romance bellara, i'm sorry, that's just the law The ladies (Bellara and Taash) get these sweet notes from the devs, meanwhile all we have on Lucanis: "he's a hot mess with a mullet".
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Post by fistoffiori on Jul 12, 2024 6:45:15 GMT
John Epler @eplerjc.bsky.socialno one i know personally is allowed to romance bellara, i'm sorry, that's just the law Haha, was about to post that myself. Taash and Bellara getting some love from the devs romance wise!
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Post by colfoley on Jul 12, 2024 8:03:37 GMT
John Epler @eplerjc.bsky.socialno one i know personally is allowed to romance bellara, i'm sorry, that's just the law Its a good thing that I don't personally know Mr. Epler then.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 12, 2024 8:35:14 GMT
The ladies (Bellara and Taash) get these sweet notes from the devs, meanwhile all we have on Lucanis: "he's a hot mess with a mullet". Well sadly for him his writer is no longer with Bioware, so no one to fight his corner for him. I think Mary was enjoying stirring the pot a little with her claims about him. Taash and Bellara getting some love from the devs romance wise! As has already been pointed out, Tricky Weakes was/is particularly fond of Solas, so that is hardly a recommendation. Meanwhile, John Epler is the writer who gave us the Horror of Hormack. Why is the Veil Jumper icon a halla head?
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 14, 2024 11:33:08 GMT
The ladies (Bellara and Taash) get these sweet notes from the devs, meanwhile all we have on Lucanis: "he's a hot mess with a mullet". Well sadly for him his writer is no longer with Bioware, so no one to fight his corner for him. I think Mary was enjoying stirring the pot a little with her claims about him. Taash and Bellara getting some love from the devs romance wise! As has already been pointed out, Tricky Weakes was/is particularly fond of Solas, so that is hardly a recommendation. Meanwhile, John Epler is the writer who gave us the Horror of Hormack. Why is the Veil Jumper icon a halla head? Probably becausre it's likely a largel yelven group likel yse tup by the Dalish
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 14, 2024 11:34:51 GMT
John Epler @eplerjc.bsky.socialno one i know personally is allowed to romance bellara, i'm sorry, that's just the law Its a good thing that I don't personally know Mr. Epler then. Indeed a sI was htinkin go hookin gup m ysecon dRook up with her.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 14, 2024 14:49:07 GMT
Probably becausre it's likely a largel yelven group likel yse tup by the Dalish I suppose that is a reasonable enough answer except surely a group of genuine Dalish would have chosen Dirthamen and a bear for their symbol since they are trying to uncover elven secrets and solve the riddle of the strange magic in the location. However, Strife apparently knew that Arlathan was the domain of Andruil and seemed to devoted to her, so that could account for it seeing as they are based there. It just seems a bit too coincidental, though, that the goddess most associated with the halla is also the one now on the loose and strongly hinted to be associated with the horror pools. They also recovered a statue of a halla from a statue dedicated to Ghilan'nain in the short story. I wonder what significance that is going to have going forward. I have to assume that the short story was set after the events of the Missing because the magic was still acting up in the forest in the comic series but recovering the halla caused it to stop in the Ruins of Reality. Everything seemed fairly normal in the game play trailer apart from what Solas was doing and the same is true of other screen shots of Arlathan, so something must have occurred to bring the magic back under control. Or was the odd magic just confined to a localised area of the forest?
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Post by jennica on Jul 15, 2024 19:22:13 GMT
From Game Informer article about companions
Hm, by "entire area of the world" do they mean Arlathan forest?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 15, 2024 19:30:40 GMT
From Game Informer article about companions Hm, by "entire area of the world" do they mean Arlathan forest? Yes.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Jul 15, 2024 19:59:08 GMT
I've been so suspicious of Bellara, I will actually feel guilty if she turns out to be the sweet innocent chipper delight I'd imagined her to be, before conspiracy theories took over my head. And I fully blame BioWare. This is trauma from past games and betrayals manifested.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 16, 2024 7:27:06 GMT
Yeah I expect the elf from a mysterious new faction to be a red herring. Otherwise it would be too comical.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 17, 2024 11:34:09 GMT
When writing my monologue/moan about the innovations in Minrathous, I had reason to consult World of Thedas and was reminded of the fact that originally the Proving Ground in Minrathous was meant to be shaped like a giant, triangular prism. I suspect this may have been quietly forgotten about in the design of the city but nevertheless, yet another reference to triangles associated with the north. This would suggest that when developing the lore they did originally intend for triangles to be significant. There are the pyramids on Par Vollen, the Proving Grounds in Minrathous and the secret sign of the Executors. The first two point to something from ancient times and the latter perhaps to a mysterious connection with the original Neromenians or Kossith. Then a group concerned with discovering ancient magic and artifacts seem to have a thing about triangles. It has to be significant doesn't it?
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 17, 2024 18:23:46 GMT
The art style in the Missing also seemed to emphasise triangles in the architecture for Tevinter. I assume they were advised how the buildings should look. So were the ancient Vints influenced by something?
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 17, 2024 19:08:55 GMT
The art style in the Missing also seemed to emphasise triangles in the architecture for Tevinter. I assume they were advised how the buildings should look. So were the ancient Vints influenced by something? Given how close (the last chapter in particular) follows the designs we saw in the game, I think they got images, or maybe even whole 3D assets from the game, which were then either traced or converted to lineart (it's particularly visible with that twisted ruin in Arlathan Forest. Won't be surprised if we see exactly that asset somewhere in the game) And I don't say this as a negative - I use 3D assets/images to trace over and maintain consistency, particularly in comics. It's a normal thing to do. Anyway - from design perspective I mostly note that both the ancient elvhen and Tevinter architecture is less "gothic-y" now than it was in DAI and they've injected motifs that draw inspiration from South and Southeast Asian architecture, particularly the ancient city of Angkor /temple of Angkor Wat. updated ancient elven architecture for comparison:
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on Jul 18, 2024 23:22:37 GMT
Could Bellara be from The Donarks?
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