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Post by roselavellan on Jul 23, 2024 18:44:59 GMT
I don't know about her hair, though, it really doesn't look practical for adventuring. It's probably better than having it flowing free and getting caught in things I don't know, having long flowing hair tends to cover your face at the worst times, so it's decidedly not practical, BUT! Having an enormous bun sticking out one foot from your head is really asking for it to get hooked on everything. I think she's pretty too.
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 23, 2024 19:09:00 GMT
It's probably better than having it flowing free and getting caught in things I don't know, having long flowing hair tends to cover your face at the worst times, so it's decidedly not practical, BUT! Having an enormous bun sticking out one foot from your head is really asking for it to get hooked on everything. I think she's pretty too. I meant to make a joke about there probably being enchantment to keep even the silliest hair in check, but... Bellara is established as a tinkerer, who also researches ancient magic, so it may be that she did indeed find something that helps keep her hair from getting caught in things (and before anyone mentions 'ancient elves were bald' - *old* ancient elves were bald, and given that there exists evidence that elves of Elvenhan liked opulence and extravagance, I wouldn't be surprised at all if a lot of them wore some amazing wigs or ridiculous headgear/headdresses/whole garment that could only be fixed to place by magic)
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jul 23, 2024 19:17:19 GMT
I don't know, having long flowing hair tends to cover your face at the worst times, so it's decidedly not practical, BUT! Having an enormous bun sticking out one foot from your head is really asking for it to get hooked on everything. I think she's pretty too. I meant to make a joke about there probably being enchantment to keep even the silliest hair in check, but... Bellara is established as a tinkerer, who also researches ancient magic, so it may be that she did indeed find something that helps keep her hair from getting caught in things (and before anyone mentions 'ancient elves were bald' - *old* ancient elves were bald, and given that there exists evidence that elves of Elvenhan liked opulence and extravagance, I wouldn't be surprised at all if a lot of them wore some amazing wigs or ridiculous headgear/headdresses/whole garment that could only be fixed to place by magic) Ghil is wearing a wig of some sort in the trailer.
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Post by Syv on Jul 23, 2024 19:25:47 GMT
Why did they decide to give her such a goofy face. It's the first asian character, I think ? You could't make some efforts ? I'd be mad if I was asian to be honest. Try your best the first time, I don't know. That reminds me of when I was adolescent, very often annoyed. Never any effort to make black female characters attractive when they dared to finally create one while the others were attractives. Beyond the annoying attitude, they always had to look like " I'm an independent and strong woman that needs no men ", a bizarre feminist cliche that kept going but that never was true in real life , as if they were never concerned by the wish to be loved, purchased and seduced by men too, never a single one that was feminine and attractive. Never understood where this bizarre trend came from. I'm still annoyed when I'm seeing the fortnite or overwatch like games nowadays, where female black character look almost all the time very bad with ugly design, muscular and manly bodies, weird clothes, bizarre proportions probably supposed to click with the " feminist twitter like modern audience , yeaaaah you go girl. " But at least I'm certain Bellara won't be an afterthought with the writting. I'm not sure I will romance her, there isn't really anything with her that appeals to me. I'd be happy to be proven wrong however once playing the game. As a woman myself i have to ask you: What did you mean? goofy face? What is a good asian character look like in your opinion? Human beeings are different and i think Bellara looks beautiful in her way. Not every character need to be for people to get horny. One thing i hate back in the days in JRPGs: The woman looks like Sex dolls. I said I might change my opinion once playing the game. But I'll answer. She looks cartoonish in a bit of comical way and not really real on the opposite to me. There are ironically past game with asian female characters on previous consoles with less good graphics that look better and in a more realistic way than her. And i'm talking about western games. There is also a very good looking and realistic asian character in Cyberpunk. And they were no sex dolls at all. Yeah I agree not every character needs to be for people to get horny. A normal cute good looking face, is totally enough. She is a romance however, that has to be taken into account. Obviously, her physical appearance will get more noticed and commented as such. I don't really like JRPGs either , it's a bit too much, and unrealistic for my taste, but I won't judge those who like that type of games. There is a path in between too. Let's not get to the extreme either to the opposite side with a crusade toward extremely attractive female characters like it seems to be the case lately in the western video game industry, to satisfy insecure people. Extremely attractive women, they exist. Let's not pretend it's not the case. As a guy who hangs out a lot, I can see that it's not uncommon at all. And yes, If a character is romanceable, this character should be in part attractive. it's just a video game and an RPG. People are happy with everyone being pansexual while totally unrealistic, but having very attractive romance would be suddenly an issue ? I'm aware that beauty standards apply differently with every individual, so anyone is entitled to his tastes though. However I don't really like this argument, especially when I have so many times noticed silently the reactions over how male and female romance characters looks from male and female gamers over their options with past game and with DAV. There had always been male and female gamers disappointed about their options because they thought they were unattractive. And I don't know how many times I have read female gamers being so much relieved when they learned that Cullen and Solas were added in the last minute because otherwise they would have been very angry with " the ugly Iron Bull and the old ugly Blackwall ". The angryness was not even about the difference of numbers, it was purely about attractiveness. Given how many times I've read such thing for litterally years, having just Blackwall and Iron Bull as romance option in DAI, I believe it would have been a real shitshow if it happened, and I'm like " thanks god Bioware didn't do such terrible mistake. " Also very often, funnily, the same female gamers or people on twitter that for example complain because apparently female characters shouldn't be sex dolls, are very happy and swooping bad when they get male characters like Cullen or Astarion, who are literally sex dolls, I'm sorry. Or I could mention the male sex dolls in Final fantasy and other japanese games. Strangely, never any single comment about how unrealistic these "' dolls " look and how they shouldn't exist. And it's okay if they enjoy these contents, you won't see me judging or complaining. On the opposite, just enjoy ! It's just that this incomprehensible double standard, I see it every time and it's getting old however. I'd be very happy if both men and women could agree that it's both important for both sex to have appealing romance to us, without hypocrisy and double standard.
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Post by theascendent on Jul 23, 2024 20:49:13 GMT
I am curious how the Dalish will react to the reality of what the Gods/Evanuris were/are. I imagine that Davrin, Bellara and an Elf Rook will have interesting discussions on the reality of their culture and how to deal with the whole 'Veil destruction means doom for the other races, but will probably save the Elves'. Do you think many Elves will take that risk/gamble considering how often they've been screwed over in this version of Thedas, or will Solas' previous blunders convince them that his plans always fail and come at the expense of the Elves? Certainly, it is a difficult moral dilemma.
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Post by g_scoundrel on Jul 24, 2024 0:28:06 GMT
In her latest video, Ghil Dirthalen states Bellara is the Peebee level of annoying. Hmm...
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 24, 2024 0:33:08 GMT
In her latest video, Ghil Dirthalen states Bellara is the Peebee level of annoying. Hmm... She said they have the same character basis, but in her opinion Bellara was that basis done well. She liked Bellara who grew on her quickly while she found Peebee annoying.
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Post by jennica on Jul 24, 2024 0:34:00 GMT
In her latest video, Ghil Dirthalen states Bellara is the Peebee level of annoying. Hmm... Didn't she say the opposite? That she likes Bellara but finds Peebee annoying.
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Post by illuminated11 on Jul 24, 2024 3:09:41 GMT
I listen to Ghil Dirthalen's podcast, and she doesn't just dislike Peebee--she loathes the character. So it's encouraging that she seems to like Bellara.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 24, 2024 3:33:17 GMT
I don't know didn't think Peebee was THAT bad.
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Post by illuminated11 on Jul 24, 2024 4:47:26 GMT
That's just Catie's opinion, although I didn't care for Peebee either. (And I tend to be very patient with the characters people deem annoying.) Her immaturity felt at odds with her profession as a scientist, and Bioware has done commitment issues better in the past. I tend to compare her to Sera, who is immature and rude as well; but Sera makes sense, given she's very young and was born poor and uneducated, raised by a woman she didn't like at all. (Granted Peebee is also young by asari standards from what I remember, but I just... eh, it feels different when operating on that scale.) She grew on me when I romanced her, but not by much.
But ultimately it's not about how well written Peebee is, but that many are worried Bellara will be Peebee 2.0, and someone who staunchly hated Peebee has no issue with the character. It's a very good sign.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 24, 2024 8:26:03 GMT
(and before anyone mentions 'ancient elves were bald' - *old* ancient elves were bald, and given that there exists evidence that elves of Elvenhan liked opulence and extravagance, I wouldn't be surprised at all if a lot of them wore some amazing wigs or ridiculous headgear/headdresses/whole garment that could only be fixed to place by magic) Just think what was in the Wigmaker Job and then multiply it. Whilst I would like the Vints to have come up with the occasional bit of magic that was entirely their own development, it has become something of a trope now that anything Tevinter does, the ancient elves did first (at least according to Solas). In fact didn't the Game Informer article (or was it a Dev blog) say that the elves invented a way of infusing lyrium into their architecture that to date the Vints haven't been able to reproduce. So, even if Forfex wasn't directly copying something he found in an ancient elven texts or art, I dare say the mechanism for creating magical wigs was already around back in ancient Elvhenan. There is also always going to be a helpful spirit with the requisite information if you ask nicely.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 24, 2024 8:43:36 GMT
I am curious how the Dalish will react to the reality of what the Gods/Evanuris were/are. I imagine that Davrin, Bellara and an Elf Rook will have interesting discussions on the reality of their culture and how to deal with the whole 'Veil destruction means doom for the other races, but will probably save the Elves'. This is what I think could be so interesting and also how Solas might try and play on the sympathies of our elven companions. Whilst I am not entirely convinced about Bellara as a "Dalish" and think that at the very least she may belong to an anti-Wolf faction, that doesn't preclude allegiance to, say, Ghilan'nain, whilst if Davrin is a committed Dalish with regard to his religion, what is he going to make of the return of the gods? The Keepers have been teaching all these years that if they just persevere in preserving their culture one day the gods will return and they will be rewarded for their loyalty. After all, they were telling the truth when they taught that Fen'Harel imprisoned them. Now they are free. That is a pretty big deal. In fact, since I intend playing as an elf first run, among the rank and file Dalish he might even be regarded as something of a hero for freeing them. Of course, they may change their minds when they discover they are going to be enslaved again but if the gods are leading a charge against the current world order which oppressed them, they might not realise that at first.
Also, do you think the gods will want the Veil removed? If they are drawing their power from somewhere other than the Fade, which is the case with both blood magic and blight magic, plus they will have access to red lyrium, why would they want a restoration of magic to the population generally? Surely, it would be in their interests to ensure that does not occur? I think the situation could be very complicated.
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Post by theascendent on Jul 24, 2024 8:58:31 GMT
Yeah, I can imagine that the Evanuris won't see the modern Elves of Thedas as 'people'. Even Solas didn't, and he was the one who sacrificed everything to try and save them.
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Post by fairdragon on Jul 24, 2024 9:04:54 GMT
And yes, If a character is romanceable, this character should be in part attractive. it's just a video game and an RPG. People are happy with everyone being pansexual while totally unrealistic, but having very attractive romance would be suddenly an issue ? I'm aware that beauty standards apply differently with every individual, so anyone is entitled to his tastes though. I agree with some parts of your statment. But this one i find really funny. Maybe look at the companions from DA:TV as someone else got the attractive character they want. Maybe next time you get yours again. They can't make hundreds of romances. As exemple i take myself a straight woman. My main romances are Alistair in DAO and Cullen/Dorian(male HC) in DAI. At the moment i am not that found of the male companions. So i will play a male HC first and romance Neve or Bellara. I expected that for 10 years to happen, because DAI have had to many companions i liked. So good for everyone that like the male companions. the same female gamers or people on twitter that for example complain because apparently female characters shouldn't be sex dolls, are very happy and swooping bad when they get male characters like Cullen or Astarion, who are literally sex dolls, I'm sorry. I don't like female sex dolls and also don't like male sex dolls. But I think I mean something else with it as you. I don't think Morrigan or Isabella are sex dolls. But Isabella is close to the border. Cullen and Astarion are clothed the most time so no sex dolls for me. There are ironically past game with asian female characters on previous consoles with less good graphics that look better and in a more realistic way than her Can you give me a name of one of the Characters? So i can look them up. Because i think Bellara looks like her VA. And so very real for me. A cartoon look is always simple like disney princesses. And Bellara isn't that in my eyes.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 24, 2024 9:08:10 GMT
Yeah, I can imagine that the Evanuris won't see the modern Elves of Thedas as 'people'. Even Solas didn't, and he was the one who sacrificed everything to try and save them. They may acknowledge them as useful though. A whole population of useful mundanes to serve their needs. If it was these gods who whispered to the human mages about how to do blood magic, then they will use it and need plenty of "fuel" for their spells. Also, if they are blighted then they will draw on blight magic too, whilst red lyrium grows on living things, so as with the Venatori in the south, they may well round up people to act as a growing medium. Plus, of course, there are those weird pools invented by Ghilan'nain from which she created her hybrid monsters and for which the rank and file elves were used in the past.
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Post by The Pluto Lounge on Jul 24, 2024 11:15:20 GMT
Because i think Bellara looks like her VA. And so very real for me. A cartoon look is always simple like disney princesses. And Bellara isn't that in my eyes. She does some what as I want to think they used Jae Young's face scan, but they tweaked Bellara by making her chin longer and slanted her eyes. They also removed all of Jae Young's curves... That's just wrong.
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Post by fairdragon on Jul 24, 2024 11:24:47 GMT
Because i think Bellara looks like her VA. And so very real for me. A cartoon look is always simple like disney princesses. And Bellara isn't that in my eyes. She does some what as I want to think they used Jae Young's face scan, but they tweaked Bellara by making her chin longer and slanted her eyes. They also removed all of Jae Young's curves... That's just wrong. 1. What do you mean with curves? I speak about her face. 2. I don't see a longer chin or slanted eyes. 3. Why is it so importent to you that they look exactly the same?
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Post by The Pluto Lounge on Jul 24, 2024 11:44:58 GMT
She does some what as I want to think they used Jae Young's face scan, but they tweaked Bellara by making her chin longer and slanted her eyes. They also removed all of Jae Young's curves... That's just wrong. 1. What do you mean with curves? I speak about her face. 2. I don't see a longer chin or slanted eyes. 3. Why is it so importent to you that they look exactly the same?
I wasn't arguing, I was just adding to the conversation. Especially with that third point being a leading question, I'll just exit the conversation at this point.
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Post by fairdragon on Jul 24, 2024 12:12:14 GMT
1. What do you mean with curves? I speak about her face. 2. I don't see a longer chin or slanted eyes. 3. Why is it so importent to you that they look exactly the same?
I wasn't arguing, I was just adding to the conversation. Especially with that third point being a leading question, I'll just exit the conversation at this point. Sorry, that i get you wrong. Why is my last question a point to exit the conversation? You are confusing me.
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Post by The Pluto Lounge on Jul 24, 2024 12:28:10 GMT
I wasn't arguing, I was just adding to the conversation. Especially with that third point being a leading question, I'll just exit the conversation at this point. Sorry, that i get you wrong. Why is my last question a point to exit the conversation? You are confusing me.
I appreciate it. When you ask why is it important to me that they look exactly the same - that's not something I stated, so it forces me in a position that I have to respond defensively to correct you or defend myself, which is something I don't want to do.
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Post by fairdragon on Jul 24, 2024 13:16:48 GMT
Sorry, that i get you wrong. Why is my last question a point to exit the conversation? You are confusing me.
I appreciate it. When you ask why is it important to me that they look exactly the same - that's not something I stated, so it forces me in a position that I have to respond defensively to correct you or defend myself, which is something I don't want to do. Thank you for this response.
That wasn't what i wanted.
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Post by celestielf on Jul 24, 2024 16:02:07 GMT
Because i think Bellara looks like her VA. And so very real for me. A cartoon look is always simple like disney princesses. And Bellara isn't that in my eyes. She does some what as I want to think they used Jae Young's face scan, but they tweaked Bellara by making her chin longer and slanted her eyes. They also removed all of Jae Young's curves... That's just wrong. IMO the character has curves, she just isn't flaunting them like Morrigan or Isabela. Bellara seems to favor more practical clothing for exploring the Arlathan forest, whereas Morrigan and Isabela like to be bold and seductive. I'm fine with either style, but just because we can't see the curves as easily doesn't mean they don't exist. I'm sure we will also see her in different outfits.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 24, 2024 17:07:13 GMT
Call me slow on the uptake and perhaps this has already been mentioned, but in addition to her earrings favouring triangles, the bracer on her right arm and the magical gauntlet on her left are adorned with a "V". Is that for Veil Jumper or Veilguard? I wish they had given our team a name that didn't have such a strong association with one particular faction. Also, I expect an explanation for the fixation on triangles fairly early on in our acquaintance. They are everywhere on her outfit. It borders on obsession.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jul 24, 2024 17:11:04 GMT
Call me slow on the uptake and perhaps this has already been mentioned, but in addition to her earrings favouring triangles, the bracer on her right arm and the magical gauntlet on her left are adorned with a "V". Is that for Veil Jumper or Veilguard? I wish they had given our team a name that didn't have such a strong association with one particular faction. Also, I expect an explanation for the fixation on triangles fairly early on in our acquaintance. They are everywhere on her outfit. It borders on obsession. The girl is literally covered in v's and triangles. Both gauntlets, her belt, the pouches on her belt, her sleeves...everything. Her scarf too, it seems.
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